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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:25:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Hoshi on 20/03/2007 13:27:40
 Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Originally by: Aeon Yakati
[10:49] <Oneiromancer> Your ship decloaks after you logged out and stays in the bubble
That's downright stupid. Extending the disappearance timer (either as a whole or simply starting the count from the moment of uncloaking) makes much more sense, so that CTDers don't get instavaped in fleets.
Oh wait, game mechanics with no thought given to fleet combat ? Not news.
It's not so bad as it sound because even if you are uncloaked you can NOT be locked. It's like undocking from a station, they can't lock you for 1 min after doing so unless the target does something.
This is exactly what happens (tested with multiple chars on SiSi with a stop watch):
Ship jumps the gate.
Ship sees the bubble and logff around 10 sec after having jumped.
Ship uncloaks but it's not possible to lock the ship.
1 min after he jumped the gate he becomes lockable.
10 sec later (or to be exact the amount of time between jumping the gate and logging off, could be 1 sec, could be 59 sec) the ship disappears.
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A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
M00dy
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:30:00 -
[62]
Agrees with Ryysa. When I first saw the patch notes, I pumped the fist thinking that logging will no longer save you.
But after thinking about it for a while, I don't think it will have the effect that CCP intended.
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Rei Toai
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:36:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Hoshi
Edited by: Hoshi on 20/03/2007 13:27:40
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Originally by: Aeon Yakati
[10:49] <Oneiromancer> Your ship decloaks after you logged out and stays in the bubble
That's downright stupid. Extending the disappearance timer (either as a whole or simply starting the count from the moment of uncloaking) makes much more sense, so that CTDers don't get instavaped in fleets.
Oh wait, game mechanics with no thought given to fleet combat ? Not news.
It's not so bad as it sound because even if you are uncloaked you can NOT be locked. It's like undocking from a station, they can't lock you for 1 min after doing so unless the target does something.
This is exactly what happens (tested with multiple chars on SiSi with a stop watch):
Ship jumps the gate.
Ship sees the bubble and logff around 10 sec after having jumped.
Ship uncloaks but it's not possible to lock the ship.
1 min after he jumped the gate he becomes lockable.
10 sec later (or to be exact the amount of time between jumping the gate and logging off, could be 1 sec, could be 59 sec) the ship disappears.
in other words .. it's still the status quo? ergo logging off safes your ship in 99% of cases 
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:46:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Drasked
I have seen ships log out after jumping in and have been able to lock and activate modules on them, only to see them go poof a couple of seconds after.
Then i would also like to adress the following quote;
"shows how much Privateer knows about PvP"
Go die.
Funny how pirates always thinks they are uber in PvP, when everyone fighting in and against real alliances knows they are not :)
Anyway, everything I said was true, the only time you can lock someone who logs off is if he already had the 15min agression timer. If he isnt agressed, its 100% safe to log (before this patch that is).
This is also the reason why it was safe to log off in a bubble previous to this patch. Since you could not lock before emergency warp kicked in, and since emergency warp worked from within a bubble, anyone who logged off in a bubble and didnt have the agression timer was 100% safe. It did not matter how fast the ship was to align for warp.
I think the reason CCP designed it like this was so mission runners would not blow up everytime they crashed to desktop, which would put a lot of strain on support (NPCs dont give agression timer).
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:49:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Hoshi
It's not so bad as it sound because even if you are uncloaked you can NOT be locked. It's like undocking from a station, they can't lock you for 1 min after doing so unless the target does something.
This is exactly what happens (tested with multiple chars on SiSi with a stop watch):
Ship jumps the gate.
Ship sees the bubble and logff around 10 sec after having jumped.
Ship uncloaks but it's not possible to lock the ship.
1 min after he jumped the gate he becomes lockable.
10 sec later (or to be exact the amount of time between jumping the gate and logging off, could be 1 sec, could be 59 sec) the ship disappears.
This is not true. A ship that jumps, and sits and wait until it is decloaked (after 30 seconds) can be locked right away once it is visible even if it doesn't do anything. Have had it happen to me several times.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:01:00 -
[66]
Hmm, interesting thread but I don't understand one or two things. Maybe you people can enlighten me but before that I will tell you that I had a POS in 0.0 before it became unprofitable. And since we are only a very small corp and had no carrier service we had to fly in the fuel with industrials. Yes, and there were often camps, sometimes bubbles. We always used a scout (shuttle) and if the other side of the gate was without bubble and at max only 2 people there we jumped through. If there was a camp and/or bubble we looked for some other route, sometimes we even went back to empire.
So what is this all with logging in bubbles? Don't people use scouts to avoid bubbles/camps? Why do they take these big risks of ending up in a bubble instead of using any precautions?
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End Yourself
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:03:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:09:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Hoshi
It's not so bad as it sound because even if you are uncloaked you can NOT be locked. It's like undocking from a station, they can't lock you for 1 min after doing so unless the target does something.
This is exactly what happens (tested with multiple chars on SiSi with a stop watch):
Ship jumps the gate.
Ship sees the bubble and logff around 10 sec after having jumped.
Ship uncloaks but it's not possible to lock the ship.
1 min after he jumped the gate he becomes lockable.
10 sec later (or to be exact the amount of time between jumping the gate and logging off, could be 1 sec, could be 59 sec) the ship disappears.
This is not true. A ship that jumps, and sits and wait until it is decloaked (after 30 seconds) can be locked right away once it is visible even if it doesn't do anything. Have had it happen to me several times.
Have you tested this on SiSi with the latest changes mentioned in the patch notes? Because I have and what I wrote above is exactly what happens.
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A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:09:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Hoshi
It's not so bad as it sound because even if you are uncloaked you can NOT be locked. It's like undocking from a station, they can't lock you for 1 min after doing so unless the target does something.
This is exactly what happens (tested with multiple chars on SiSi with a stop watch):
Ship jumps the gate.
Ship sees the bubble and logff around 10 sec after having jumped.
Ship uncloaks but it's not possible to lock the ship.
1 min after he jumped the gate he becomes lockable.
10 sec later (or to be exact the amount of time between jumping the gate and logging off, could be 1 sec, could be 59 sec) the ship disappears.
This is not true. A ship that jumps, and sits and wait until it is decloaked (after 30 seconds) can be locked right away once it is visible even if it doesn't do anything. Have had it happen to me several times.
Have you tested this on SiSi with the latest changes mentioned in the patch notes? Because I have and what I wrote above is exactly what happens.
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A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:09:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Hoshi
It's not so bad as it sound because even if you are uncloaked you can NOT be locked. It's like undocking from a station, they can't lock you for 1 min after doing so unless the target does something.
This is exactly what happens (tested with multiple chars on SiSi with a stop watch):
Ship jumps the gate.
Ship sees the bubble and logff around 10 sec after having jumped.
Ship uncloaks but it's not possible to lock the ship.
1 min after he jumped the gate he becomes lockable.
10 sec later (or to be exact the amount of time between jumping the gate and logging off, could be 1 sec, could be 59 sec) the ship disappears.
This is not true. A ship that jumps, and sits and wait until it is decloaked (after 30 seconds) can be locked right away once it is visible even if it doesn't do anything. Have had it happen to me several times.
Have you tested this on SiSi with the latest changes mentioned in the patch notes? Because I have and what I wrote above is exactly what happens.
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A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Aslann
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:10:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ryysa
Nah, alt thing got fixed a long while ago afaik.
No matter if you just log or login an alt, won't make a difference.
Its not, we had a namtz carrier go *poof* on us 2 days ago when it got bumped off the station while undocking. The pilot himself confirmed logging into an alt to make his ship dissapear.
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Aslann
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:10:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ryysa
Nah, alt thing got fixed a long while ago afaik.
No matter if you just log or login an alt, won't make a difference.
Its not, we had a namtz carrier go *poof* on us 2 days ago when it got bumped off the station while undocking. The pilot himself confirmed logging into an alt to make his ship dissapear.
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Aslann
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:10:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ryysa
Nah, alt thing got fixed a long while ago afaik.
No matter if you just log or login an alt, won't make a difference.
Its not, we had a namtz carrier go *poof* on us 2 days ago when it got bumped off the station while undocking. The pilot himself confirmed logging into an alt to make his ship dissapear.
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Something Random
Gallente
F.S.O.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:13:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Something Random on 20/03/2007 15:14:54
Originally by: Kuma Korosu
So now if I warp/jump into a gate camp and I get disconnected, I'm basically dead, right?
Just as though you hadnt disco.... erm crashed in the first place. Yes.
Anyone that ever did it and loses connection in a bubble is gonna kick themselves after this.
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Something Random
Gallente
F.S.O.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:13:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Something Random on 20/03/2007 15:14:54
Originally by: Kuma Korosu
So now if I warp/jump into a gate camp and I get disconnected, I'm basically dead, right?
Just as though you hadnt disco.... erm crashed in the first place. Yes.
Anyone that ever did it and loses connection in a bubble is gonna kick themselves after this.
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Something Random
Gallente
F.S.O.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:13:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Something Random on 20/03/2007 15:14:54
Originally by: Kuma Korosu
So now if I warp/jump into a gate camp and I get disconnected, I'm basically dead, right?
Just as though you hadnt disco.... erm crashed in the first place. Yes.
Anyone that ever did it and loses connection in a bubble is gonna kick themselves after this.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:17:00 -
[77]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:17:00 -
[78]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:17:00 -
[79]
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:18:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
and do you have idea how many kills Ryysa has?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:18:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
and do you have idea how many kills Ryysa has?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:18:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
and do you have idea how many kills Ryysa has?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Harm Gently
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:20:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
and do you have idea how many kills Ryysa has?
Apparently he does not.
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Harm Gently
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:20:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
and do you have idea how many kills Ryysa has?
Apparently he does not.
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Harm Gently
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:20:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
falsehood
Why can't peeps just keep their mouth shut if they don't know what they are talking about instead of making themselves look like retards?!?
I have several hundred solokills in a sabre, and thousands of kills alltogether. I have fought with and against BoB, D2, Five, MC and many others. I dont mean to brag, but I do know what I am talking about.
Besides, if I was not correct, then emergency warp from inside a bubble would not be a problem, and it would not be fixed in this patch.
and do you have idea how many kills Ryysa has?
Apparently he does not.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Funny how pirates always thinks they are uber in PvP, when everyone fighting in and against real alliances knows they are not :)
Anyway, everything I said was true, the only time you can lock someone who logs off is if he already had the 15min agression timer. If he isnt agressed, its 100% safe to log (before this patch that is).
This is also the reason why it was safe to log off in a bubble previous to this patch. Since you could not lock before emergency warp kicked in, and since emergency warp worked from within a bubble, anyone who logged off in a bubble and didnt have the agression timer was 100% safe. It did not matter how fast the ship was to align for warp.
I think the reason CCP designed it like this was so mission runners would not blow up everytime they crashed to desktop, which would put a lot of strain on support (NPCs dont give agression timer).
Its funny how you assume that im a pirate and that i think im uber at pvp, also the part about fighting real allainces is just hilarious considering i have fought against LV and their friends / foes before.
About the logging part, i have on multiple occations (100~) seen for example, a raven jump into my gang and log out before uncloaking, and then depending on the firepower in my gang us either killing that raven or the raven go poof.
And have on zero (0) occations seen a ship uncloak after it logged out and had me not being able to lock it (unless it was something fast ofc).
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Funny how pirates always thinks they are uber in PvP, when everyone fighting in and against real alliances knows they are not :)
Anyway, everything I said was true, the only time you can lock someone who logs off is if he already had the 15min agression timer. If he isnt agressed, its 100% safe to log (before this patch that is).
This is also the reason why it was safe to log off in a bubble previous to this patch. Since you could not lock before emergency warp kicked in, and since emergency warp worked from within a bubble, anyone who logged off in a bubble and didnt have the agression timer was 100% safe. It did not matter how fast the ship was to align for warp.
I think the reason CCP designed it like this was so mission runners would not blow up everytime they crashed to desktop, which would put a lot of strain on support (NPCs dont give agression timer).
Its funny how you assume that im a pirate and that i think im uber at pvp, also the part about fighting real allainces is just hilarious considering i have fought against LV and their friends / foes before.
About the logging part, i have on multiple occations (100~) seen for example, a raven jump into my gang and log out before uncloaking, and then depending on the firepower in my gang us either killing that raven or the raven go poof.
And have on zero (0) occations seen a ship uncloak after it logged out and had me not being able to lock it (unless it was something fast ofc).
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Funny how pirates always thinks they are uber in PvP, when everyone fighting in and against real alliances knows they are not :)
Anyway, everything I said was true, the only time you can lock someone who logs off is if he already had the 15min agression timer. If he isnt agressed, its 100% safe to log (before this patch that is).
This is also the reason why it was safe to log off in a bubble previous to this patch. Since you could not lock before emergency warp kicked in, and since emergency warp worked from within a bubble, anyone who logged off in a bubble and didnt have the agression timer was 100% safe. It did not matter how fast the ship was to align for warp.
I think the reason CCP designed it like this was so mission runners would not blow up everytime they crashed to desktop, which would put a lot of strain on support (NPCs dont give agression timer).
Its funny how you assume that im a pirate and that i think im uber at pvp, also the part about fighting real allainces is just hilarious considering i have fought against LV and their friends / foes before.
About the logging part, i have on multiple occations (100~) seen for example, a raven jump into my gang and log out before uncloaking, and then depending on the firepower in my gang us either killing that raven or the raven go poof.
And have on zero (0) occations seen a ship uncloak after it logged out and had me not being able to lock it (unless it was something fast ofc).
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:27:00 -
[89]
Lets wait for the server to come up and test how it works in reality with the changes
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:27:00 -
[90]
Lets wait for the server to come up and test how it works in reality with the changes
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