Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Then within that 30 seconds you shoot him, and he gets agro and stays for 15 mins.

What I want to know is, will logging off and logging in with another char in the same account still cause instant ship disappearance despite bubbles, agro or whatever?

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Originally by: "darth solo"

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bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.

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Originally by: Xendie

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Then within that 30 seconds you shoot him, and he gets agro and stays for 15 mins.

What I want to know is, will logging off and logging in with another char in the same account still cause instant ship disappearance despite bubbles, agro or whatever?

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he wont get aggro if he logged off before you shot him.

and yes he will dissapear really fast so you will just see more "quick log in the alt" tactics now.

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Originally by: Jenn Atreides

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This will prevent people from logging as soon as they see the jumping notification appear.

It works like this, Lets make up a fictional name say uh...Goonieswarm. The Goonieswarm FC tells everyone to get in jump range. Once in jump range he tells them to all jump and as soon as the jumping notification appears he tells them to log off. Then they all log on again and of and on and off and on and off. Then one person is told to log in and make a SS. Then the rest of them log in and that guy invites them as soon as they appear in local they warp to member and then go back to the camp and fight it or they proceed to POS where they open cyno and bring in dreads or whatever, ( just as a side note if they have enough notice the goonieswarm((fictional tm)) can get a thousand people together and do this thusly killing the node. We all know that the people jumping in get preference over the people camping, this too would effectively allow them to destroy the campers)

So what this should do is prevent people from doing as above. If you don't emergency warp from inside a bubble then effectively they are inside the bubble as soon as they log during the jumping session change.

So this should give the campers a field day in the killing department as all the goonieswarm ships would just decloak and sit there inside the bubble waiting to be shot at.

This doesn't address the intentional node crashing event but if CCP actually fixed things rather then succombing to a knew jerk reaction they would build in a simple code that tells the player that they simply cannot log out during a session change.

That would have fixed the illness rather then bandaging the wound.

Jenn

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Originally by: Zirth

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A single camping ship can do about 500-700 dps no problem.
There's usually about 5-15
Normal battleships have about 20.000hp, without hardeners and repping.

= A dead battleship. Anything smaller is dead too.

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Originally by: Aeon Yakati

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[10:49] <Oneiromancer> Your ship decloaks after you logged out and stays in the bubble

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Originally by: Ryysa

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AGAIN.

EVE IS NOT ONLY ABOUT GATECAMPS.

This is the last time I say it.

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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle

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Ryysa is wrong (shows how much Privateer knows about PvP). In the old system, you COULD NOT lock a ship while it was being alighed out for emergency warp. And ofcourse, you could not scramble it or damage it ecept by smartbombs.

For example, I once had a bubble up with a sabre when a slow industrial jumped in. He logged ofcourse, and it took him like 30 seconds to aligh for emergency warp, but I could not lock him during this time.

And since you cant lock and do damage, they dont become agressed and will disappear in 1 minute from space, which means its pretty hard to probe him fast enough (10 seconds to launch probe, 40 seconds to probe and then you only have 10 seconds to warp, approach and scramble).

The new system will allow you to do damage and scramble a ship that loggs off, meaning it wont disappear from space, meaning you have unlimited time to kill it as long as you do damage atleast once every 15 minutes.

In other words, every single ship will be easier to kill with the new system.

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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle

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Ryysa is wrong (shows how much Privateer knows about PvP). In the old system, you COULD NOT lock a ship while it was being alighed out for emergency warp. And ofcourse, you could not scramble it or damage it ecept by smartbombs.

For example, I once had a bubble up with a sabre when a slow industrial jumped in. He logged ofcourse, and it took him like 30 seconds to aligh for emergency warp, but I could not lock him during this time.

And since you cant lock and do damage, they dont become agressed and will disappear in 1 minute from space, which means its pretty hard to probe him fast enough (10 seconds to launch probe, 40 seconds to probe and then you only have 10 seconds to warp, approach and scramble).

The new system will allow you to do damage and scramble a ship that loggs off, meaning it wont disappear from space, meaning you have unlimited time to kill it as long as you do damage atleast once every 15 minutes.

In other words, every single ship will be easier to kill with the new system.

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Originally by: Ogul

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Originally by: Ryysa

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AGAIN.

EVE IS NOT ONLY ABOUT GATECAMPS.

This is the last time I say it.

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But the logging-in-bubbles issue is about gatecamps.

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Originally by: Kuma Korosu

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So now if I warp/jump into a gate camp and I get disconnected, I'm basically dead, right?

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Originally by: Drasked

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Well if you call a roaming gang that is sitting on a gate for a minute waiting for the scout to get scrams on something a camp then yes, otherwise, no.

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Originally by: Drasked

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Well if you call a roaming gang that is sitting on a gate for a minute waiting for the scout to get scrams on something a camp then yes, otherwise, no.

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Originally by: Drasked

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Well if you call a roaming gang that is sitting on a gate for a minute waiting for the scout to get scrams on something a camp then yes, otherwise, no.

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Originally by: Ogul

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Originally by: Drasked

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Well if you call a roaming gang that is sitting on a gate for a minute waiting for the scout to get scrams on something a camp then yes, otherwise, no.

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A roaming gang, a gate and a scrambling scout - where is the dictor bubble?

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Originally by: Ogul

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Originally by: Drasked

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Well if you call a roaming gang that is sitting on a gate for a minute waiting for the scout to get scrams on something a camp then yes, otherwise, no.

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A roaming gang, a gate and a scrambling scout - where is the dictor bubble?

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Originally by: Ogul

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Originally by: Drasked

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Well if you call a roaming gang that is sitting on a gate for a minute waiting for the scout to get scrams on something a camp then yes, otherwise, no.

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A roaming gang, a gate and a scrambling scout - where is the dictor bubble?

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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg

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Originally by: Aeon Yakati

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[10:49] <Oneiromancer> Your ship decloaks after you logged out and stays in the bubble

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That's downright stupid. Extending the disappearance timer (either as a whole or simply starting the count from the moment of uncloaking) makes much more sense, so that CTDers don't get instavaped in fleets.

Oh wait, game mechanics with no thought given to fleet combat ? Not news.

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