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Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:09:00 - [241] Originally by: Thread Winner I'm in 0.0 right now So, what's the problem? Originally by: Thread Winner Don't like empire war stay in your npc corp and stfu (Is what I would say if I was a closed minded idiot like you) You know, the funny thing about that is I'm NOT asking the devs to re-design war declarations or ANY aspect of the game in Empire. YOU ARE. But thanks, I will stay in my NPC corp. And though I've never looted someone's war target wreck before, it's never too late to start. Apparently it **es you guys off. Sounds like fun to me! Hey, and maybe there is a profession here! I could loot war target wrecks and return the contents to the victims for a minor fee. Awesome! Originally by:** Thread Winner Every one in this thread seems to defend loot leeching as if it is the only way to fight back. . . sighs And YOU keep advocating radical changes to game code as the only way to resolve this so-called "problem" ... sighs Perhaps you should consider changing your forum alt's name to "Thread Whiner"?
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:14:00 - [242] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Thread Winner I'm in 0.0 right now So, what's the problem? Originally by: Thread Winner Don't like empire war stay in your npc corp and stfu (Is what I would say if I was a closed minded idiot like you) You know, the funny thing about that is I'm NOT asking the devs to re-design war declarations or ANY aspect of the game in Empire. YOU ARE. But thanks, I will stay in my NPC corp. And though I've never looted someone's war target wreck before, it's never too late to start. Apparently it **es you guys off. Sounds like fun to me! Hey, and maybe there is a profession here! I could loot war target wrecks and return the contents to the victims for a minor fee. Awesome! Originally by:** Thread Winner Every one in this thread seems to defend loot leeching as if it is the only way to fight back. . . sighs And YOU keep advocating radical changes to game code as the only way to resolve this so-called "problem" ... sighs Perhaps you should consider changing your forum alt's name to "Thread Whiner"? Its a problem because I can see that it is broken I'm not a fricken privateer as there are corps in that alliance that I know from past experiences are not trustworthy Dual wreck ownership is not a radical change it is a tweak.
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:20:00 - [243] I will also submit to this thread, that the loot thieves exist mainly as a result of privateers. Don't want me to loot your wrecks? then fly somewhere else, it's simple really. Maybe jita 4/4 isn't a real smart place for you to hunt... ya-know?
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:21:00 - [244] Originally by: Thread Whiner Its a problem because I can see that it is broken I'm not a fricken privateer as there are corps in that alliance that I know from past experiences are not trustworthy Dual wreck ownership is not a radical change it is a tweak. Its not broken.. CCP has never even implied that there was a problem with looting of wrecks.. Not a privateer?? Yea.. sure.. like anyones gonna believe that and it is a radical change.. not a tweak... When CCP can't even manage to change their code enough to fix the simple new region roid problem.. this sort of change would require a massive recoding and about 2 years to complet ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
thatguyinpc Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:22:00 - [245] As IÆve read these posts over the years there is one phrase that seems to come up more often than any other, to paraphrase: The only time your safe is when youÆre docked at a station. As I believe most everyone accepts the above statement as factual, then the claim that loot thieving is risk free must be an exaggeration. What would be more accurate is that: ItÆs not cost effective to engage in combat with some loot thieves. IÆm not sure if anyone else has articulated it yet but it has occurred to me that loot thieving is simply another form of economic warfare. You donÆt get kill rights when someone beats you at the market, so why should you get kill rights when someone else beats you to stealing someone elseÆs stuff? It seems to me that loot thieving is clearly PVP. ItÆs a race to see who can grab floating equipment first. Not only do you have to compete with the player that destroyed the ship but you also have to compete with other loot thieves. The victor of the PVP combat gets the glory. The victor of the PVP race gets the spoils, if he can get it home safely. So I said all that to say this: If there is a piece of equipment you want, the only safe way to obtain it is to buy it at the station you are docked at. After all, if pod pilots arenÆt safe out in space, why should floating equipment be? Guy
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:41:00 - [246] Originally by: Thread Winner Its a problem because I can see that it is broken Oh! It's a problem because YOU see it as broken. Silly me. Originally by: Thread Winner I'm not a fricken privateer as there are corps in that alliance that I know from past experiences are not trustworthy And of course, you're trustworthy. Originally by: Thread Winner Dual wreck ownership is not a radical change it is a tweak. And leaving Empire space is merely a stargate hop.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:41:00 - [247] Originally by: thatguyinpc As IÆve read these posts over the years there is one phrase that seems to come up more often than any other, to paraphrase: The only time your safe is when youÆre docked at a station. As I believe most everyone accepts the above statement as factual, then the claim that loot thieving is risk free must be an exaggeration. What would be more accurate is that: ItÆs not cost effective to engage in combat with some loot thieves. IÆm not sure if anyone else has articulated it yet but it has occurred to me that loot thieving is simply another form of economic warfare. You donÆt get kill rights when someone beats you at the market, so why should you get kill rights when someone else beats you to stealing someone elseÆs stuff? It seems to me that loot thieving is clearly PVP. ItÆs a race to see who can grab floating equipment first. Not only do you have to compete with the player that destroyed the ship but you also have to compete with other loot thieves. The victor of the PVP combat gets the glory. The victor of the PVP race gets the spoils, if he can get it home safely. So I said all that to say this: If there is a piece of equipment you want, the only safe way to obtain it is to buy it at the station you are docked at. After all, if pod pilots arenÆt safe out in space, why should floating equipment be? Guy Very, very well said.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.06 21:15:00 - [248] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Thread Winner You say man the **** up and accept the drawbacks. They have the biggest drawback allready as the whole damn galaxy can pop them at will. Unless declaring war on a corp disables your high slots I can't figure out why you are so attached to letting loot leeching stay Heh, you never answered my question I guess we'll move on then. And what do you suppose the majority of high sec space is populated with? Combat-driven elite PVP'ers? High sec is high sec for a reason. IF you are so inclined in getting fights why not get them where you can find them at will? Why are you picking fights in the kiddie park when around the corner you have hardcore PVP'ers eager to kick ass? Not only that, but you want the mechanics that stop you from abusing your own mechanics to be removed from the game. Sorry, I have no sympathy to offer you. First of all that question wasn't directed at me. Secondly people don't always fight for a good fight. Why do you think people gate camp? because its fun? for me its not sure you get interesting smack every once in a while but people do it because its profitable. Why do people declare empire war? Why not ask them? If I declared empire war on some one it would be because I noticed they had something I wanted. But you defend loot leeching as if it were the only way to fight back against a war dec because it somehow locks up your highslots. Dual wreck ownership with the same rules applied as a standard aggression rules is the way to go. The entire galaxy may be wardecced but the entire galaxy can also take some time to shoot back. But loot leeching is something that can not fly. War drawback: risk losing ships, risk losing territory, risk losing POS; Pirating drawback: risk losing ships; guaranteed loss of security standing; Hi sec pirating masquered as a war: risk losing ships. There is a clear disparity in risk. Currently: risk loosing the loot to thiefs balance that disparity. A change in the pirating masked as war in high sec so that it implemente a different kind of risk is required at the same time of changing the ownerships rules. My suggestion is a true privateer (in the hystorical sense) system. People allowed to hunt enemyes of the empire (people with high standing with the opposite empire) with the support of the empire issuing the letters. That will block CONCORD (it is multy empire backed) but the privateer will be attacked by the Navy of the opposite empire when assaulting someone in the territory they control (strenght and reaction speed depending on sec status of the system). It will link well with factional warfare.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.06 21:34:00 - [249] Originally by: Thread Winner Dual wreck ownership is not a radical change it is a tweak. Oh might programmer, go to CCP and explain that, as evidently only you can see that easy tweak. Even a complete noob in programming can see that adding a second owner is not so simple. Nothing in this game has multiple owner. The nearest thing is the "shared" ownerships of gangs. But even in that case, there is a single owner, the others have "access" to the wreck so long as the owner his in the same system, not in station and in the gang. They lose access (and so have no ownership) as soon as the true owner leave.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:10:00 - [250] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Thread Winner Dual wreck ownership is not a radical change it is a tweak. Oh might programmer, go to CCP and explain that, as evidently only you can see that easy tweak. Even a complete noob in programming can see that adding a second owner is not so simple. Nothing in this game has multiple owner. The nearest thing is the "shared" ownerships of gangs. But even in that case, there is a single owner, the others have "access" to the wreck so long as the owner his in the same system, not in station and in the gang. They lose access (and so have no ownership) as soon as the true owner leave. I didn't say the code would be easy but to the player it would be a simple tweak in mechanics. Now as for those of you that keep comparing the risks of empire war to piracy or 0.0 warfare you fail to point out that wait let me bold it for you and put it in caps oh and red font too THE RISK AS A LOOT LEECH IS INFINITESIMAL

thatguyinpc Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:41:00 - [251] Edited by: thatguyinpc on 06/04/2007 22:38:15 In my earlier post I intentionally didnÆt use the term ôLoot Leechingö as it is not an accurate description of the activity being conducted. When you destroy another ship and then take its loot you are stealing from the destroyed player. As such regarding the act of theft you are at no more or less risk than any other player that is stealing the destroyed players loot. Originally by: Thread Winner THE RISK AS A LOOT LEECH IS INFINITESIMAL Please keep in mind that it is appropriate for there to be less risk involved for many activities being conducted in High Security Space. Guy
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:48:00 - [252] Originally by: thatguyinpc Edited by: thatguyinpc on 06/04/2007 22:38:15 In my earlier post I intentionally didnÆt use the term ôLoot Leechingö as it is not an accurate description of the activity being conducted. When you destroy another ship and then take its loot you are stealing from the destroyed player. As such regarding the act of theft you are at no more or less risk than any other player that is stealing the destroyed players loot. Originally by: Thread Winner THE RISK AS A LOOT LEECH IS INFINITESIMAL Please keep in mind that it is appropriate for there to be less risk involved for many activities being conducted in High Security Space. Guy the difference between less and infinitesimal is infinitely huge. . . and their risk is infinitesimal
thatguyinpc Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:04:00 - [253] You keep using that word (Infinite). I donÆt think it means what you think it means. The risk of stealing from a destroyed ship is equal for everyone, as it should be. Guy
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:06:00 - [254] Originally by: Roue Originally by: Nicholas Barker Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 05/04/2007 00:00:24 it's so if that guy has buddies and they kill you, then some random joe runs up and grabs the loot they can kill the random joe. If you take the loot it doesn't matter, since you're at war with the guy and his corpys, so they can shoot you regardless. If you kill soembody and somebody else takes the loot, you should have been faster i guess :( edit - and so that if he has a friend with him from another corp he can retake the loot for him. Just tell me real quick. In what way has EVE ever been designed to reward those who have lost? Why should it now? Hell if I wanted to be honorable and give the guy his stuff back he lost I couldn't even keep it from being stolen. The defense of this feature, which has no realistic application in game at all. Is nothing but a bias against another form of gameplay. tech1 fits + insurance + suiciding = the answer ------------------------------------- Am Orbitin' ur shi... i said orbit... ORBIT... no don't fly off in that direction
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:12:00 - [255] Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 23:09:14 Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: thatguyinpc Edited by: thatguyinpc on 06/04/2007 22:38:15 In my earlier post I intentionally didnÆt use the term ôLoot Leechingö as it is not an accurate description of the activity being conducted. When you destroy another ship and then take its loot you are stealing from the destroyed player. As such regarding the act of theft you are at no more or less risk than any other player that is stealing the destroyed players loot. Originally by: Thread Winner THE RISK AS A LOOT LEECH IS INFINITESIMAL Please keep in mind that it is appropriate for there to be less risk involved for many activities being conducted in High Security Space. Guy the difference between less and infinitesimal is infinitely huge. . . and their risk is infinitesimal Poetic justice at its best . Don't want to be griefed? GO TO LOW SEC!!! And the sad part if it all is at the end of the day you still will go about your business of abusing mechanics yourself . And yes, I still believe you're a Privateer alt. Otherwise why hide behind an alt? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Dez Affinity Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:19:00 - [256] I don't see why anyone is still arguing this. You killed him, you can go steal his stuff too if you want. Note : Steal. You don't own the stuff just because you killed him nor does the next guy. The guy who just lost his ship still owns HIS stuff. Now if you want to steal his stuff, do so, but it's up to the guy getting his stuff stole to stop it. You can argue 'he can't stop it, he just lost his ship' all you want but the fact remains why are you the one who should get his stuff. If someone goes near wrecks I have made, I shoot them. No matter what. Although that's just me, I don't fight in High-Sec, I don't need to nor do I need to. If someone loots from the wreck than they haven't screwed me out of anything but some ammo that it cost for me to blow the other guys ship up in the first place. It's not all about loot, it's about killing, fighting and having fun, if having fun to you is JUST making money from taking loot, then well I don't know maybe you should be the one stealing from wrecks. _______________
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:20:00 - [257] Originally by: Thread Winner ...Now as for those of you that keep comparing the risks of empire war to piracy or 0.0 warfare you fail to point out that wait let me bold it for you and put it in caps oh and red font too THE RISK AS A LOOT LEECH IS INFINITESIMAL Congratulations, Einstein, you just figured out the very premise of HIGH SECURITY space. Two words for ya: BOO HOO Don't like it that players in NPC corps have "infinitesimal" risks in Empire space? Too bad. They forfeit all the benefits of being in a player corp just for that advantage. If you don't like it, don't play there. Quit trying to redesign the freaking game.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 23:20:00 - [258] Originally by: Thread Winner ...Now as for those of you that keep comparing the risks of empire war to piracy or 0.0 warfare you fail to point out that wait let me bold it for you and put it in caps oh and red font too THE RISK AS A LOOT LEECH IS INFINITESIMAL Congratulations, Einstein, you just figured out the very premise of HIGH SECURITY space. Two words for ya: BOO HOO Don't like it that players in NPC corps have "infinitesimal" risks in Empire space? Too bad. They forfeit all the benefits of being in a player corp just for that advantage. If you don't like it, don't play there. Quit trying to redesign the freaking game.
RUNYOUFOOLS Rage Academy	Posted - 2007.04.07 00:02:00 - [259] I sometimes wonder about stuff like this. I mean what does it take for a person to become so blind with "hate" (its not hate as such just seems some ppl see the priv ticker and just see red) that any and all options/ideas/facts posted by such persons are invaild due to them simply being in a player corp that war decs. seems to to me that these ppl are suffering from something. i mean you think the ONLY ppl in eve that war dec are priv. or that loot stealing is right and/or fair and sling around terms such as lol jita campers adapt noob!, and such like. well i can do the same thing. Dear anyone in this thread that posted anything remotely close to a lol jita campers comment and how funny it is to steal from someone else wreck in a legit pvp kill. you are all risk adverse scum that even the most worthless of bottom feeders would consider utterly worthless. your comments and style of playing eve i cannot comment on due to the fact id be perm banned but to sum up ill just say - you suck. In a ideal setting id blow each and every one of you lowlifes away - sadly due to the legions of whineing**gots that cannot stand up for themselfs in any fashion like yourselfs i cant. but trust me if i could i would. you and the endless hordes of ppl like you are worthless in every single way. your blind and useless comments in almost every part of this forum have in time made me in time hate you. you suck up to ccp on one hand and blame them on the other. your endless misson grinding carebear and i really mean carebear not industry based chars ways flood eve with more and more lag and isk and to what end. to pimp your misson ride even more. spawning more and more useless brain dead npcs to kill and then dare to whine about the lag. i could go on with this for many pages but ill stop now since most of you brainless**gots cant read long posts and simply type tl'dr insteed of some such internet nonsense so ill end on a nice message for you. cancel your subs now. Well do you love eggs?
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.07 00:38:00 - [260] Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS cancel your subs now. Why? I'm enjoying the game. Funny, you talk about being blinded by hate, then spew your own. If you're such the hard-as-nails, self-proclaimed badass you'd have us believe... what are you doing in Empire? If loot thieves bother you so much, why not just shoot them? Don't want to take the security hit? Don't want Concord to blow up your ship? Who's adverse to risk now? Oh wait, you can't comment 'cause you don't wanna get perma-banned. Keep yapping, internet tough guy.

Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.07 00:48:00 - [261] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS cancel your subs now. Why? I'm enjoying the game. Funny, you talk about being blinded by hate, then spew your own. If you're such the hard-as-nails, self-proclaimed badass you'd have us believe... what are you doing in Empire? If loot thieves bother you so much, why not just shoot them? Don't want to take the security hit? Don't want Concord to blow up your ship? Who's adverse to risk now? Oh wait, you can't comment 'cause you don't wanna get perma-banned. Keep yapping, internet tough guy. People can take the sec hit for shooting the ship but since concord is indestructable and the number of loot leeches that are present and the lag that would be generated by suiciding all of them would make it an impossible task. Its not being adverse to risk its realizing that you can not win. Why do people yarr in empire space? Because people that believe that they are 100% safe carry nice things. Dolla Dolla Bill yall. Do you understand that? Frieghters filled to the brim with goodies. Its not always about the e-peen its about paying the bills. All they want is a way to fight the loot theives. You have a way to defend yourself when wardecced and that is to shoot. The current way to defend against loot theives will cause massive concord lag and many a crash will ensue
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.07 00:51:00 - [262] Edited by: Exlegion on 07/04/2007 00:49:16 Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS ... your endless misson grinding carebear and i really mean carebear not industry based chars ways flood eve with more and more lag and isk and to what end. to pimp your misson ride even more. spawning more and more useless brain dead npcs to kill and then dare to whine about the lag. i could go on with this for many pages but ill stop now since most of you brainless***gots cant read long posts and simply type tl'dr insteed of some such internet nonsense so ill end on a nice message for you. cancel your subs now. Your post is way off base, but this part made me chuckle. Does it bother you that I carebear when I log in to play? Does it tick you off if I were to tell you I'm a carebear who enjoys grinding brainless missions day in and day out? Relax and take a deep breath. I don't mean to blow your top off, but you may be taking this game a bit too seriously. PS, read the OP again, it should clue you in as to who's doing the whining. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us.* - Guru
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.07 01:13:00 - [263] Originally by: Thread Winner People can take the sec hit for shooting the ship but since concord is indestructable and the number of loot leeches that are present and the lag that would be generated by suiciding all of them would make it an impossible task. Its not being adverse to risk its realizing that you can not win. Why do people yarr in empire space? Because people that believe that they are 100% safe carry nice things. Dolla Dolla Bill yall. Do you understand that? Frieghters filled to the brim with goodies. Its not always about the e-peen its about paying the bills. All they want is a way to fight the loot theives. You have a way to defend yourself when wardecced and that is to shoot. The current way to defend against loot theives will cause massive concord lag and many a crash will ensue A war declaration buys you an opportunity to shoot an opposing corp/alliance in Empire space. It's not card blanche to freaking PIRATE in Empire space. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You wanna go after the Dolla Dolla Bill yall? Come prepared for potential disappointment. Hook up with a buddy or two to help you nab that loot faster than the next guy. You know, kinda like how you'd tell me to fly with a buddy when I'm in my freighter filled to the brim with goodies.
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.07 01:49:00 - [264] 'To the Victor go the spoils' anyone? If you kill someone-You won.It doesn't matter if it was a cheap Gank or a 1v1. I'll go back to what I said earlier about mission runners in hi sec.They kill the NPCs and then someone else comes in and takes their salvage without getting flagged.Does that sound right to you?Is that 'griefing' or piracy? Seriously,I don't care about Privateers or how you percieve them.Obviously,they have upset a lot of people in here but it just sounds like sour grapes because you got Ganked.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:01:00 - [265] Edited by: Exlegion on 07/04/2007 02:00:55 Originally by: Vannilla Venom 'To the Victor go the spoils' anyone? If you kill someone-You won.It doesn't matter if it was a cheap Gank or a 1v1. I'll go back to what I said earlier about mission runners in hi sec.They kill the NPCs and then someone else comes in and takes their salvage without getting flagged.Does that sound right to you?Is that 'griefing' or piracy? Seriously,I don't care about Privateers or how you percieve them.Obviously,they have upset a lot of people in here but it just sounds like sour grapes because you got Ganked. <==== Never been attacked by Privateers. Again, this isn't a game where if you kill you immediately get a 'trophy belt' for your mad sk1llz. You're playing the wrong game if this is what you think. Want to steal your kill's loot 99.9% of the time? Then head to low/0.0 sec. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:11:00 - [266] Originally by: Vannilla Venom 'To the Victor go the spoils' anyone? 'The early bird gets the worm'
thatguyinpc Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:37:00 - [267] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Vannilla Venom 'To the Victor go the spoils' anyone? 'The early bird gets the worm' Well said. Originally by: Thread Winner All they want is a way to fight the loot theives. You have a way to defend yourself when wardecced and that is to shoot. The current way to defend against loot theives will cause massive concord lag and many a crash will ensue It has been well established that anyone taking loot from a player wreck (besides the actual owner or corp mate) is in fact a loot thief. If you want to steal loot you have a defence against that also: Get there first. Originally by: Thread Winner Dolla Dolla Bill yall. Do you understand that? Frieghters filled to the brim with goodies. Its not always about the e-peen its about paying the bills. You are correct Sir, only some people aim a little lower than a frieghter, some are content to mearly take loot no one else has gotten to yet. Surely you are not upset that some players have found a way to make game mechanics work for them in HIGH SECURITY? Now if you are looking for the "Get rid of NPC Corps so I can shoot anyone I want to because I have enough money to war dec everyone I want to" thread, then move down a few pages, or wait a couple of days and there will be a new one. Guy
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.07 10:18:00 - [268] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 07/04/2007 02:00:55 Originally by: Vannilla Venom 'To the Victor go the spoils' anyone? If you kill someone-You won.It doesn't matter if it was a cheap Gank or a 1v1. I'll go back to what I said earlier about mission runners in hi sec.They kill the NPCs and then someone else comes in and takes their salvage without getting flagged.Does that sound right to you?Is that 'griefing' or piracy? Seriously,I don't care about Privateers or how you percieve them.Obviously,they have upset a lot of people in here but it just sounds like sour grapes because you got Ganked. <==== Never been attacked by Privateers. Again, this isn't a game where if you kill you immediately get a 'trophy belt' for your mad sk1llz. You're playing the wrong game if this is what you think. Want to steal your kill's loot 99.9% of the time? Then head to low/0.0 sec. That's fair enough.But as you know you can shoot anybody in lo sec or 0.0 without getting flagged for no reason other than the fact it's lo sec.Different sec= different rules.This discussion is about flagging on wrecks in hi sec. My argument really revolves around salvage in hi sec and mission runners having wrecks looted without being given a chance to exact any retribution. Correct me if I'm wrong but iirc this change came about because CCP made it possible to loot wrecks without having to remove the loot 1st. Can someone point me to anything official from CCP that says this was intended to work like this? Is it not likely that this was an unexpected oversight on CCP's behalf when they changed the way salvaging is done? Has anybody got an official answer from CCP?
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.04.07 10:53:00 - [269] Lol at Privateers stealing from each other, and then whining on the forums about loot stealing. -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
RUNYOUFOOLS Rage Academy	Posted - 2007.04.07 11:03:00 - [270] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS cancel your subs now. Why? I'm enjoying the game. Funny, you talk about being blinded by hate, then spew your own. If you're such the hard-as-nails, self-proclaimed badass you'd have us believe... what are you doing in Empire? If loot thieves bother you so much, why not just shoot them? Don't want to take the security hit? Don't want Concord to blow up your ship? Who's adverse to risk now? Oh wait, you can't comment 'cause you don't wanna get perma-banned. Keep yapping, internet tough guy. I posted in anger something i very rarely do. but the meat of my post is very true. as thread winner pointed out, i cant kill all of you due to concord. whineing from players over time has made empire space into something is was never ment to be.ill also give you actions form players that pvp in empire has changed the rules. wreaks are a new thing and ownership of them is something that effects my gameplay in a fairly large manner. i posted this due to me loseing over 500mill in loot to a guy in a indy. i killed a war target indy and some lowlife nicks the loot. his not flagged to me so i cant shoot him or the cops will kill me. why would i not shoot him after all its 500mill he just walked off with. sure it was not my 500mill as such but hey it was not his too, dunno about you but i see that as theft and perhaps he should be flagged for it?. id also have gained a sec hit, to many of these and no more empire space for me for a time. this was not in jita as well brfore that gets chucked at me, i hate the lag there more than most of you lot do. denying me a rather large part of eves content due to stealing from me with 0 risk or next to 0 risk somehow dont seem right too. id also have been flagged and for 15mins unable to do anything other than sit in a safespot and watch the same guy then take my stuff in his new indy. you see these theifs are not mains for the most part they are alts that can fly a indy, with next to no sp so even if i pod them it make no odds. setting your clone in a nearby station and sitting back till someone gets killed and then raceing for the loot. to the guy that said does it bother me if he just logs on runs some missions and logs back off. if thats all you do and your sole intent is to buy faction mods for your cnr to grind missions faster while in no way interacting with the player base other than to buy/sell your gear on the market, then yes it does. see you me your missing out the mutiplayer part of this game. why would that bother me. eves very good but its not a single player game try something else theres ton to do. Well do you love eggs?



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