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Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:40:00 - [211] Originally by: Karan Hanid /signed The loot belongs to the killer. Only. Yarrr and now you've just sent the thread back to page one now there will be 8 more pages of bad metaphors and RL analogies. Dual wreck owner ship is the way to go EVERY ONE WINS with dual ownership with the standard aggression rules applied
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:00:00 - [212] Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:01:04 Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Karan Hanid /signed The loot belongs to the killer. Only. Yarrr and now you've just sent the thread back to page one now there will be 8 more pages of bad metaphors and RL analogies. Dual wreck owner ship is the way to go EVERY ONE WINS with dual ownership with the standard aggression rules applied Everyone does NOT win and YOU know it. GANKERS win. If you want your ganked loot then go to low/0.0 sec where the gankings belong. You're not interested in risk vs reward. You're interested in YOUR REWARDS, period. If you're interested in risk vs rewards as you so vehemently claim, then why is your alliance attempting to destabilize high sec with abuse of tactics? And yes, I believe you're an alt of the Privateers. If not, why don't you post with your main? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:11:00 - [213] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:01:04 Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Karan Hanid /signed The loot belongs to the killer. Only. Yarrr and now you've just sent the thread back to page one now there will be 8 more pages of bad metaphors and RL analogies. Dual wreck owner ship is the way to go EVERY ONE WINS with dual ownership with the standard aggression rules applied Everyone does NOT win and YOU know it. GANKERS win. If you want your ganked loot then go to low/0.0 sec where the gankings belong. You're not interested in risk vs reward. You're interested in YOUR REWARDS, period. If you're interested in risk vs rewards as you so vehemently claim, then why is your alliance attempting to destabilize high sec with abuse of tactics? And yes, I believe you're an alt of the Privateers. If not, why don't you post with your main? I'm not a privateer dammit. I have only had wars declared on me in the past back when pirate coalition was around (well accept the wars we declared on CVA and IAC so they couldn't use our outlaw status against us) So anyways your against dual ownership with standarg aggression penalties because you wont be able to loot leech anymore?
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:22:00 - [214] Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:25:46 Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:19:02 Originally by: Thread Winner I'm not a privateer dammit. I have only had wars declared on me in the past back when pirate coalition was around (well accept the wars we declared on CVA and IAC so they couldn't use our outlaw status against us) So anyways your against dual ownership with standarg aggression penalties because you wont be able to loot leech anymore? I'm against dual ownership because it's only another tool to allow further abuse of tactics in high sec. Now answer my question: If you're interested in balancing risk vs rewards as you so vehemently claim, then why are you OK with the PA attempting to destabilize high sec? Stop trying to treat the symptom. Come up with solutions to cure the problem. That is, unless it suits your gank-in-high-sec style. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:30:00 - [215] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:19:02 Originally by: Thread Winner I'm not a privateer dammit. I have only had wars declared on me in the past back when pirate coalition was around (well accept the wars we declared on CVA and IAC so they couldn't use our outlaw status against us) So anyways your against dual ownership with standarg aggression penalties because you wont be able to loot leech anymore? I'm against dual ownership because it's only another tool to allow further abuse of tactics in high sec. Now answer my questions: If you're interested in risk vs rewards as you so vehemently claim, then why are you OK with the PA attempting to destabilize high sec? Why treat the symptom instead of curing the problem? Perhaps because it suits your gank-in-high-sec style? The only thing that will change will dual wreck ownership is the now feasible destruction of leeches. I can't have a gank-in-high-sec style because I am not allowed in empire. I can not go around wardeccing corps left and right because I know that I will not be able to defend my self against them. If they wardec me good luck catching me as I am just 1 man. You speak as if Highsec is the PvE server of EVE when it obviously is not. War needs happen in highsec because if you want to take some one out you have to take out their supplies as well and that means cutting off access to market hubs. Remember your tutorial said once you undock you would not be safe so please do not speak as if you should be.
Nytemaster Mega-Deth Phoenix Supremacy	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:38:00 - [216] Originally by: Roue Originally by: MotoTsume Edited by: MotoTsume on 04/04/2007 23:47:50 Actually the wreck is flagged, but to the person you shot , the owner of the ship and that is how it should be. it isnt your loot the moocher is stealing but the person who's ship it was. So that person can kill the moocher Does that really make any sense though? That's like saying in a wrestling match for the world championship Bob knocks out Joe. Then some guy in the stands runs onto the ring takes the belt of Joe's unconcious body and if BoB attacks this dude for the belt he just won. The ref will shoot him in the head. ANd Joe who is out cold though has 15 minutes to wake up and beat up the guy who is in his car driving home. You just got blown up, you were engaged in a pvp fight and you lost. Now let's put aside ganking because I for one love fair and honorable 1v1s. I spend a long time in a fight between my battleship and someone elses. We both agree to risk all we have on it for that fight. The reward is the other person's stuff. No it isn't. Because in order for us to even remotely have a chance at that we have to orbit at less then 1500m. because some noob in a frigate/or indy will be stuck on one of us waiting for us to pop. Even if I do die, I have what 15minutes to fit a combat effective ship and find the person who stole the wreckage? I would personally rather have the person who defeated me have that. And meet him again in combat. Then some random paserby. This sort of falls along the same lines of using remote repping alts to keep you alive in empire. There's nothing anyone can do to stop them, but you keep using them anyway. I guess you'll have to deal with loot thieves just like we have to deal with your remote repping alts.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:38:00 - [217] Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:37:25 Originally by: Thread Winner The only thing that will change will dual wreck ownership is the now feasible destruction of leeches. I can't have a gank-in-high-sec style because I am not allowed in empire. I can not go around wardeccing corps left and right because I know that I will not be able to defend my self against them. If they wardec me good luck catching me as I am just 1 man. You speak as if Highsec is the PvE server of EVE when it obviously is not. War needs happen in highsec because if you want to take some one out you have to take out their supplies as well and that means cutting off access to market hubs. Remember your tutorial said once you undock you would not be safe so please do not speak as if you should be. No, high sec isn't the PVE server of Eve. It is however, (or atleast it's supposed to be) the safest of the security systems. I'm not opposed to wars in high sec. I'm opposed to the abuse of the war dec'ing system in high sec, which leads to the destabilization of high sec as the most secure of all systems, thanks to your local gank squad alliance. At no time did I say high sec should be SAFE. It should however, be safER. So, please do tell me, why are you OK with the Privateers destabilizing this balance? And why don't you post with your main? I won't war-dec you, Carebear's promise . One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:28:00 - [218] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 06/04/2007 14:25:59 In lowsec PvP there is a risk that another gang will come along and kill you, and possibly your wartargets too. In Hisec your only danger is from your wartargets. Thus anyone can take the loot from your kills. You are taking less risk, and thus get less reward. If you want 100% of the reward from your kills, move to Lowsec or 0.0 where you run the risk of being jumped by non-wartargets, and if you win you get the reward of 100% of the loot and salvage. Not bashing the Privateers, just simply stating game mechanics. IMHO hisec loot stealing is a valid career and shouldn't be nerfed. If the thief is flagged to anyone, it should be to the person who landed the final blow only, and not an entire gang or corp.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:55:00 - [219] Originally by: Nytemaster This sort of falls along the same lines of using remote repping alts to keep you alive in empire. There's nothing anyone can do to stop them, but you keep using them anyway. I guess you'll have to deal with loot thieves just like we have to deal with your remote repping alts. I thought I would be able to stay out of posting in this thread again, but my innder whorum fore took over. The quoted part is not true. Anyone remote repping anyone else in Empire is flagged as hostile to that guy's enemies. That means he will be flashing red, and you can shoot him, and he can only shoot back when you have started shooting. That means, if you want to remote rep someone in Empire, make sure you have a good tank. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:13:00 - [220] Soooo Fix loot system and war dec system at the same time? it gets anoying when someone war decs you and retracts just to get insta pvp. well i think thats how they do it anyway. Again i think the high sec war dec situation is becoming a bit of a joke, and im glad i rarely go high sec now. so perhaps limit and control the war dec system and fix the loot. wrecks get sorted, high sec players stop making a new thread about the privateers every few hours. Ofcourse if that happens the threads will be started by the pvts like the ones about people who aggressvily hunt them down to pirate their loot.

JourneymanDave devastation mining inc	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:36:00 - [221] Originally by: Thread Winner War needs happen in highsec because if you want to take some one out you have to take out their supplies as well and that means cutting off access to market hubs. Then we're in good shape, because that's already implemented. No exception taken on this point.
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:40:00 - [222] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 13:01:04 Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Karan Hanid /signed The loot belongs to the killer. Only. Yarrr and now you've just sent the thread back to page one now there will be 8 more pages of bad metaphors and RL analogies. Dual wreck owner ship is the way to go EVERY ONE WINS with dual ownership with the standard aggression rules applied Everyone does NOT win and YOU know it. GANKERS win. If you want your ganked loot then go to low/0.0 sec where the gankings belong. You're not interested in risk vs reward. You're interested in YOUR REWARDS, period. If you're interested in risk vs rewards as you so vehemently claim, then why is your alliance attempting to destabilize high sec with abuse of tactics? And yes, I believe you're an alt of the Privateers. If not, why don't you post with your main? Are you retarded or something? You're support punishing everyone who ever has had or will have an empire war for one reason or another because you dont like the privateers? Here's a hint, 99% of the alliances the privateers wardec dont give a **** about them, we all live in 0.0 anyways and for moving stuff through empire we have something called hauler alts. Its only the vocal 1% who are stupid enough to get ganked we hear about, and since they wardeced half of eve, thats a lot of people.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:05:00 - [223] Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:02:18 Originally by: Gamesguy Are you retarded or something? You're support punishing everyone who ever has had or will have an empire war for one reason or another because you dont like the privateers? Here's a hint, 99% of the alliances the privateers wardec dont give a ** about them, we all live in 0.0 anyways and for moving stuff through empire we have something called hauler alts. Its only the vocal 1% who are stupid enough to get ganked we hear about, and since they wardeced half of eve, thats a lot of people. Quite a number of assumptions you're making there. And could you refrain from the name-calling? It really isn't necessary. If you take up the profession of indiscriminately war-dec'ing in high sec (Carebearland) atleast man the ** up to take some drawbacks. It doesn't matter if it's the Privateers doing it or anyone else. It just so happens that it has only affected the Privateers so far. Care in taking a guess why? Second, why are you so hell-bent in defending one abusive tactic and condoning the other? Just because empire war decs don't affect you means that they don't matter. You seem to only be concerned about what affects you. And that's all fine and dandy, but don't brush off the rest as just affecting "1% of the stupid vocal" minority. As I said before, instead of trying to fix the consequences of the problem try offering solutions to the cause. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:10:00 - [224] I will concede to dual ownership of wreckage IF we also agree on a War Dec Cap of 10 war decs per alliance.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:16:00 - [225] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:02:18 Originally by: Gamesguy Are you retarded or something? You're support punishing everyone who ever has had or will have an empire war for one reason or another because you dont like the privateers? Here's a hint, 99% of the alliances the privateers wardec dont give a ** about them, we all live in 0.0 anyways and for moving stuff through empire we have something called hauler alts. Its only the vocal 1% who are stupid enough to get ganked we hear about, and since they wardeced half of eve, thats a lot of people. Quite a number of assumptions you're making there. And could you refrain from the name-calling? It really isn't necessary. If you take up the profession of indiscriminately war-dec'ing in high sec (Carebearland) atleast man the up to take some drawbacks. It doesn't matter if it's the Privateers doing it or anyone else. It just so happens that it has only affected the Privateers so far. Care in taking a guess why? Second, why are you so hell-bent in defending one abusive tactic and condoning the other? Just because empire war decs don't affect you means that they don't matter. You seem to only be concerned about what affects you. And that's all fine and dandy, but don't brush off the rest as just affecting "1% of the stupid vocal" minority. As I said before, instead of trying to fix the consequences of the problem try offering solutions to the cause. You say man the ** up and accept the drawbacks. They have the biggest drawback allready as the whole damn galaxy can pop them at will. Unless declaring war on a corp disables your high slots I can't figure out why you are so attached to letting loot leeching stay
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:25:00 - [226] Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:24:52 Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:23:49 Originally by: Thread Winner You say man the ** up and accept the drawbacks. They have the biggest drawback allready as the whole damn galaxy can pop them at will. Unless declaring war on a corp disables your high slots I can't figure out why you are so attached to letting loot leeching stay Heh, you never answered my question : Originally by:** Exlegion No, high sec isn't the PVE server of Eve. It is however, (or atleast it's supposed to be) the safest of the security systems. I'm not opposed to wars in high sec. I'm opposed to the abuse of the war dec'ing system in high sec, which leads to the destabilization of high sec as the most secure of all systems, thanks to your local gank squad alliance. At no time did I say high sec should be SAFE. It should however, be safER. So, please do tell me, why are you OK with the Privateers destabilizing this balance? And why don't you post with your main? I won't war-dec you, Carebear's promise . I guess we'll move on then. And what do you suppose the majority of high sec space is populated with? Combat-driven elite PVP'ers? High sec is high sec for a reason. IF you are so inclined in getting fights why not get them where you can find them at will? Why are you picking fights in the kiddie park when around the corner you have hardcore PVP'ers eager to kick ass? Not only that, but you want the mechanics that stop you from abusing your own mechanics to be removed from the game. Sorry, I have no sympathy to offer you. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:50:00 - [227] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:24:52 Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:23:49 Originally by: Thread Winner You say man the **** up and accept the drawbacks. They have the biggest drawback allready as the whole damn galaxy can pop them at will. Unless declaring war on a corp disables your high slots I can't figure out why you are so attached to letting loot leeching stay Heh, you never answered my question I guess we'll move on then. And what do you suppose the majority of high sec space is populated with? Combat-driven elite PVP'ers? High sec is high sec for a reason. IF you are so inclined in getting fights why not get them where you can find them at will? Why are you picking fights in the kiddie park when around the corner you have hardcore PVP'ers eager to kick ass? Not only that, but you want the mechanics that stop you from abusing your own mechanics to be removed from the game. Sorry, I have no sympathy to offer you. First of all that question wasn't directed at me. Secondly people don't always fight for a good fight. Why do you think people gate camp? because its fun? for me its not sure you get interesting smack every once in a while but people do it because its profitable. Why do people declare empire war? Why not ask them? If I declared empire war on some one it would be because I noticed they had something I wanted. But you defend loot leeching as if it were the only way to fight back against a war dec because it somehow locks up your highslots. Dual wreck ownership with the same rules applied as a standard aggression rules is the way to go. The entire galaxy may be wardecced but the entire galaxy can also take some time to shoot back. But loot leeching is something that can not fly.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:58:00 - [228] Originally by: Dhaikin Lharoud Wow .... Miners are told that they should have a buddy hanging around to protect them, in case someone flips their can. You should have a buddy follow you around to loot your wrecks for you, problem solved DL Good response. What the Privateer wrote about miners just bringing along an extra battleship was one of the sillier things ever said on a forum where plenty of silly things get said.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:16:00 - [229] Originally by: Thread Winner First of all that question wasn't directed at me. Yes, it was. Quote: Secondly people don't always fight for a good fight. Why do you think people gate camp? because its fun? for me its not sure you get interesting smack every once in a while but people do it because its profitable. Why do people declare empire war? Why not ask them? If I declared empire war on some one it would be because I noticed they had something I wanted. But you defend loot leeching as if it were the only way to fight back against a war dec because it somehow locks up your highslots. Dual wreck ownership with the same rules applied as a standard aggression rules is the way to go. The entire galaxy may be wardecced but the entire galaxy can also take some time to shoot back. But loot leeching is something that can not fly. As I have already said, I'm not opposed to empire wars. I am opposed to the abuse of high sec wars. But hell, it's within the mechanics of the game at the moment, so be it. And so is taking loot and being flagged to the owner of the wreck. Abuse of mechanics has begotten abuse of mechanics. What I am saying is one is wrong, but then so is the other. But in all honesty I don't think I'll be changing your mind any time soon as you won't change mine, so I'll take a break from our discussion now. No hard feelings, I hope . One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Roue Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:25:00 - [230] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:37:28 Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:24:52 Edited by: Exlegion on 06/04/2007 17:23:49 Originally by: Thread Winner You say man the ** up and accept the drawbacks. They have the biggest drawback allready as the whole damn galaxy can pop them at will. Unless declaring war on a corp disables your high slots I can't figure out why you are so attached to letting loot leeching stay Heh, you never answered my question : Originally by:** Exlegion No, high sec isn't the PVE server of Eve. It is however, (or atleast it's supposed to be) the safest of the security systems. I'm not opposed to wars in high sec. I'm opposed to the abuse of the war dec'ing system in high sec, which leads to the destabilization of high sec as the most secure of all systems, thanks to your local gank squad alliance. At no time did I say high sec should be SAFE. It should however, be safER. So, please do tell me, why are you OK with the Privateers destabilizing this balance? And why don't you post with your main? I won't war-dec you, Carebear's promise . I guess we'll move on then. And what do you suppose the majority of high sec space is populated with? Combat-driven elite PVP'ers? High sec is high sec for a reason. IF you are so inclined in getting fights why not get them where you can find them at will? Why are you picking fights in the kiddie park when around the corner you have hardcore PVP'ers eager to kick ass? Not only that, but you want the mechanics that stop you from abusing your own mechanics to be removed from the game. Sorry, I have no sympathy to offer you. Edit: By the way, I'd be 100% in favor of changing BOTH (war-dec'ing system AND looting rights). Would you? I am back. And I must way my god did this thread take on a life of its own. As for why don't we look for fights in low sec or 0.0 which is basically the "real men fight in 0.0" comment I've heard a hundred times before. That's simple enough to answer. Because in 3 years of playing this game I've learned a few things. 1. 0.0 combat will generally devolve into 2 possible outcomes 99% of the time. Outcome A. Your group will be outnumbered and crushed in a lag fest. Outcome B. Your group will outnumber and crush the others in a lag fest. Neither of which is as thrilling or exciting as 1v1 or 2v2 or anything up to 5v5 etc small scale skirmishes. The sole reason why after 3 years I still play this game. And guess what in privateers I get more honorable small scale fights per month then I have in the rest of my entire EVE career. It is simply put the best PVP opportunity in game for anyone who finds sheer number fights and f1-f8 not entertaining. Now do I kill haulers. Of course, they are a side casualty that helps pay for my endeavors in pvp. However unlike what the vast majority of people seem to think in this game, I do not have the option to control what ships my opponents fly, nor whether they fit them with everything they own. Sadly. However they seem to do well without my interference in loading all their billions into unscouted haulers and flying around me till the die. Why am I in privateers? Because pvp is fun. And often enough the people we end up dec'd against (which btw is paid for by other corps just like those getting dec'd not us) muster up a fight and keep me on my toes. And I've had the joy of probably 2 dozen or more 1v1's that were in neither favor or in my opponents favor since I joined. Even some 1v2 and 1v3 and a 1v4 that i enjoyed immensely. So why this thread? Because I feel the following. And I'm going to make this very clear. ANYONE, NOT JUST PRIVATEERS, WHO SUCCEED IN PVP DESERVE A REWARD FOR THEIR SHOW OF SKILL which basically means, dual ownership of cans is a good idea. I conceede that single ownership in either way will not work.

Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:37:00 - [231] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Thread Winner First of all that question wasn't directed at me. Yes, it was. Quote: Secondly people don't always fight for a good fight. Why do you think people gate camp? because its fun? for me its not sure you get interesting smack every once in a while but people do it because its profitable. Why do people declare empire war? Why not ask them? If I declared empire war on some one it would be because I noticed they had something I wanted. But you defend loot leeching as if it were the only way to fight back against a war dec because it somehow locks up your highslots. Dual wreck ownership with the same rules applied as a standard aggression rules is the way to go. The entire galaxy may be wardecced but the entire galaxy can also take some time to shoot back. But loot leeching is something that can not fly. As I have already said, I'm not opposed to empire wars. I am opposed to the abuse of high sec wars. But hell, it's within the mechanics of the game at the moment, so be it. And so is taking loot and being flagged to the owner of the wreck. Abuse of mechanics has begotten abuse of mechanics. What I am saying is one is wrong, but then so is the other. But in all honesty I don't think I'll be changing your mind any time soon as you won't change mine, so I'll take a break from our discussion now. No hard feelings, I hope . This balance you speak of was never balance the scale was tilted much higher towards saftey as it should be and as it still is. But from what I've seen is ignorance on the part of the highsec dweller to let themselves get into these situations if any thing the privateers should be getting slaughtered by the corps they have wardecced but I have heard nothing but the opposite because of ignorant players and unfortunately ccp can not code anything to protect the ignorant. It is not an abuse of mechanics because the privateers are more vulnerable than any of the corps war decced if those corps would cease with the solo play and start pounding on them or at least learn to use an f'ng scout. Dual wreck ownership changes nothing but the loot leeching profession and nothing more. This is not a discussion about war deccing or anything of the like this is asking for a change of the looting mechanics to be changed to dual wreck ownership.
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:53:00 - [232] Soo lemmie get this straight... According to the Privateers.. ore theft is a valid profession.. Well guess what.. thanks to your actions.. loot theif is a valid profession now also. You are requesting a change in game mechanics to benefit yourselves.. YOu obviously dont see the irony... But we will take solace in the fact that CCP will ignore you like they do everyone else and there is no chance in hell that this joke of a request will go through. You say that 0.0 battle dosent appeal to you.. everyone else knows the truth... adapt to the loot theives.. bring a few friends to loot for you like you insist on telling miners to do when they mine... Lemmie call the Whaaambulance cause the PA tears are free flowing. Paybacks a ***** isn't it.. you like to borderline exploit the system to your advantage so you can wardec anyone.. Now you cry like a carebear cause the game mechanics aren't in your favor. wreck ownership has never even been considered a problem till PA started the waterworks about them.. btw.. its still not considered a problem.. you consider it an issue.. here.. have a tissue -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:54:00 - [233] You're advocating piracy, NOT war. War is blowing your targets' crap up... so they can't use it. Piracy is blowing your targets' crap up... so YOU can steal it.
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:01:00 - [234] This 'feature' has also led to mission runners in hi sec getting 'griefed' out of their NPC salvage.It doesn't bother me either way but it just doesn't sound right to me.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:10:00 - [235] Originally by: Blue Pixie You're advocating piracy, NOT war. War is blowing your targets' crap up... so they can't use it. Piracy is blowing your targets' crap up... so YOU can steal it. Linkage Master of websters you are not
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:24:00 - [236] Originally by: Roue Why am I in privateers? Because pvp is fun. And often enough the people we end up dec'd against (which btw is paid for by other corps just like those getting dec'd not us) muster up a fight and keep me on my toes. And I've had the joy of probably 2 dozen or more 1v1's that were in neither favor or in my opponents favor since I joined. Even some 1v2 and 1v3 and a 1v4 that i enjoyed immensely. Lemme tell you about the latest addition to Privateers' war declaration list: EVE University An organization I'm not a member of, but have a great deal of respect for. A corporation dedicated to helping new players learn how to play the game. We're talking about players who've barely cobbled together enough ISK to buy their first tier 1 frigate. Players who don't know the difference between an afterburner and a sensor booster. People fresh out of the freaking tutorial for god's sake. If this is an example of the targets Privateers pick to "keep them on their toes," then that speaks volumes about them. In my opinion, they're nothing but an alliance of malevolent cowards who choose to "war" in Empire simply because the deck is grossly stacked in their favor. But fine, they're using legitimate game mechanics. So are those in NPC corps who swoop in to nab the "reward for a demonstration of skill." If it ****es off Privateers or any of the other two-bit, bully organizations out there... GOOD.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:29:00 - [237] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Blue Pixie You're advocating piracy, NOT war. War is blowing your targets' crap up... so they can't use it. Piracy is blowing your targets' crap up... so YOU can steal it. Linkage Master of websters you are not Linkage Apparently, neither are you.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:29:00 - [238] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Roue Why am I in privateers? Because pvp is fun. And often enough the people we end up dec'd against (which btw is paid for by other corps just like those getting dec'd not us) muster up a fight and keep me on my toes. And I've had the joy of probably 2 dozen or more 1v1's that were in neither favor or in my opponents favor since I joined. Even some 1v2 and 1v3 and a 1v4 that i enjoyed immensely. Lemme tell you about the latest addition to Privateers' war declaration list: EVE University An organization I'm not a member of, but have a great deal of respect for. A corporation dedicated to helping new players learn how to play the game. We're talking about players who've barely cobbled together enough ISK to buy their first tier 1 frigate. Players who don't know the difference between an afterburner and a sensor booster. People fresh out of the freaking tutorial for god's sake. If this is an example of the targets Privateers pick to "keep them on their toes," then that speaks volumes about them. In my opinion, they're nothing but an alliance of malevolent cowards who choose to "war" in Empire simply because the deck is grossly stacked in their favor. But fine, they're using legitimate game mechanics. So are those in NPC corps who swoop in to nab the "reward for a demonstration of skill." If it **es off Privateers or any of the other two-bit, bully organizations out there... GOOD. EVE University is in an alliance. They scraped together a billion isk to make an alliance so they must carry something good in their cargo hold. If people wanted to just bully some one they would blow you up and blow up the loot in your face just to ** you off. Once again devs DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:38:00 - [239] Originally by: Thread Winner Once again devs DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP Don't like Empire's rules? Don't play there.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:42:00 - [240] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Thread Winner Once again devs DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP Don't like Empire's rules? Don't play there. I'm in 0.0 right now Don't like empire war stay in your npc corp and stfu (Is what I would say if I was a closed minded idiot like you) Every one in this thread seems to defend loot leeching as if it is the only way to fight back. . . sighs



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