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Desidarius
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Desidarius on 05/04/2007 11:04:50 Oh the Privateers are whining that their precious newb loot is being stolen. LOL.
You guys want to wardec everyone just so you can pew pew in emipre then suffer the penalties that empire brings you. Either come out to 0.0 or adapt. I guess people adapted and have started to steal from you by using a in game mechanic just like you use a in game mechanic to wardec everyone. Boo freaking whoo.
Oh BTW "Bring it"
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maihem
TBC Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: maihem on 05/04/2007 10:56:10 the answer is simple, if you are facing a new method of griefing being directed at your alliance you can adapt to it and find a way of counter it...
why do you think my alt follows your alliance around stealing loot from your wreaks? because you found a new way of greifing large alliances in empire, we found a way to adapt.
I dont jog, it makes the ice cubes jump right out of my glass. |
Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:01:00 -
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In their blind hate towards the privateers, people fail to see the bigger picture. You guys do realize the privs arent the only ones with empire wars right? ______________
Pod from above. |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter
LOL! Use my metapher instead: You knock down a grandma, she lies on the floor. Then another guy comes around and steals the money of the grandma.
So you believe its your money that has been taken??
Good analogy. Think you have won. ___________ Muuuhhh !!! |
Leandro Salazar
Bravehearts Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:13:00 -
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Man this thread is ace. Shows what privateers are really made of. People preceived as loopholers by them profiteer from their profiteering of what is perceived as a loophole by almost everyone else, and now they cry foul.
Hypocrisy personified.
Suck it up. If you didn't pursue such disreputable methods, you wouldn't be pursued by such disreputable moochers. Seems all pretty balanced to me.
And kudos to the moochers! Go bankrupt the privateers! --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:21:00 -
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No one should get ownership. It is a wreck !!! How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Tom Shandy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:24:00 -
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If you dont want people to take from the wrecks of your victims the go somewhere and kill where there are less people about. Unfotunatly its a part of what you do, either pirate where there arnt many peeps or put up with it im afraid. We privateers have had this happening since day one, complaining here makes you and us look like whiners, stop it.
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Swirled
Amarr The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:29:00 -
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Quote:
LOL! Use my metapher instead: You knock down a grandma, she lies on the floor. Then another guy comes around and steals the money of the grandma.
So you believe its your money that has been taken??
And if the grandmother is armed to the teeth, much bigger than you, and wishes to kill you also? --- Just My Opinion Of Course... --- |
Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:30:00 -
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Did someone say about the thing where you CAN salvage a wreck, but if you touch the loot you're pewpew food?
Originally by: Curzon Dax 1. I am not singing Ducktales.
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Swirled
Amarr The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Swirled on 05/04/2007 11:30:35
Originally by: Ashaz
wow. that was probably the wrst comparison I have ever seen.
a wrestling match...
nono. Let's put it into a propper perspective. OfficeworkerJoe is walking home from work. LazyassThug is hideing behind a corner with a gun. LazyassThug shoots OfficeworkerJoe in the head. OfficeworkerJoe dies and drops his briefcase. Streetkid runs by and grabs the briefcase.
now. does LazyassThug call the police and report the Streetkid for stealing? I didn't think so...
What lazy ass thug did was 'Illegal' The wrecks left in game are coming from 'Legal' kills... If What LazyAssThug Had done had been legal, he would have been well within his rights to phone the police would he not?
These real life metaphors arent goin to work in this instance as IRL Killing would be illegal and come with consequences from a police force of some kind, and in these case the killings are not illegal and are permitted by the police force themselves.
--- Just My Opinion Of Course... --- |
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Desidarius
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Desidarius on 05/04/2007 11:40:26
Originally by: Swirled Edited by: Swirled on 05/04/2007 11:30:35
Originally by: Ashaz
wow. that was probably the wrst comparison I have ever seen.
a wrestling match...
nono. Let's put it into a propper perspective. OfficeworkerJoe is walking home from work. LazyassThug is hideing behind a corner with a gun. LazyassThug shoots OfficeworkerJoe in the head. OfficeworkerJoe dies and drops his briefcase. Streetkid runs by and grabs the briefcase.
now. does LazyassThug call the police and report the Streetkid for stealing? I didn't think so...
What lazy ass thug did was 'Illegal' The wrecks left in game are coming from 'Legal' kills... If What LazyAssThug Had done had been legal, he would have been well within his rights to phone the police would he not?
These real life metaphors arent goin to work in this instance as IRL Killing would be illegal and come with consequences from a police force of some kind, and in these case the killings are not illegal and are permitted by the police force themselves.
LOL. Lets say the Mafia paid the police to do whatever they wanted in a relatively safe neighborhood. They go ahead and do whatever they want. Bullying the local folk and some of the big businesses. Now people get tired of this, since the local police won't do a thing, the people start stealing from the mafia here & there. Does the mafia go & complain to the police department that they are being targeted by thieves? No, they do something themselves, cause that's the kind of environment they propagated. It's called Karma. Whatever you put into the world shall be returned to you threefold. Some may not believe, but this is a good example.
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Hiro Kazamatsuri
Caldari Fatal Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:43:00 -
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I like the privateer concept.
But if you want to shoot someone "stealing" your loot go fight in low sec or 0.0.
You choose to fight in hi-sec, accept CCP rules in this area, simple.
There are pro and con.
You, sir, are a carebear and a shame for your alliance.
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Okkie2 on 05/04/2007 12:21:11
Originally by: Gouglash
Why does there need to be multiple lootrights?
The person who died already has killrights on the killer, and the killer is the only one left on the battlefield (well, mostly) so I don't see the need?
Because otherwise the one being shot down gets flagged because he wants his own loot back. Doesn't sound very logical to me
Originally by: Admiral Pieg In their blind hate towards the privateers, people fail to see the bigger picture. You guys do realize the privs arent the only ones with empire wars right?
You are right, but the only ones i see complaining about this are the privs. So it looks like all others have learned to adapt. And i don't hate the privs btw, i just think when you are (ab)using game mechanics for your own fun you shouldn't complain about any disadvantages of it So they should either stop whining or have the guts to move to the real place for PvP -> 0.0
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:32:00 -
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Nah. The flagging as it is today is a fun feature. Just like the wardec system. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:33:00 -
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All they want is a method to fight off the parasites. Is that so much to ask people? They will accept the aggression timer and the kill rights they receive no problem. But suiciding the multiple kill leeches. . . is ineffective to say the least
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg In their blind hate towards the privateers, people fail to see the bigger picture. You guys do realize the privs arent the only ones with empire wars right?
And you realize there are other places to fight besides Empire, right?
Whether they'll admit it or not, players conducting war in high security space are taking as much advantage of the relative safety it provides as the players they're accusing of stealing.
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Belorem
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:34:00 -
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With all this whining I wonder how long it takes for someone to setup a Space Trucker corp whose sole purpose is to shadow Privateer gangs and steal their loot. Maybe people could pay them 25 mil/week to shadow a certain Privateer corp. Now that would be ironic
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dhaikin Lharoud Wow ....
Miners are told that they should have a buddy hanging around to protect them, in case someone flips their can.
You should have a buddy follow you around to loot your wrecks for you, problem solved
DL
Miners have buddies around to shoot some one up when they get the can flag. If you shoot some one up in empire at war you get concordokken'd
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Misanth
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Roue Edited by: Roue on 04/04/2007 23:59:19
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Didn't you guys complain about this last week?
Didn't get much sympathy then either. Simply: The wreck belongs to the PC who's ship was destroyed. Any other method would increase griefing to the original owner.
If you want something along the lines of "dual ownership" so that the killer AND the killed can take the contents, then we demand it for ore lost to can flippers too, plus several hundred other requests to make our stuff "safer" from thieves.
But it isn't the same.
In mining. If I am engaged in mining and I'm concerned about someone stealing my ore. I can bring a battleship along with me. The moment he takes my ore I can blow him to kingdom come.
In NPCing. same thing, hell I could probably do it in my npcing ship.
However PVP is considered different for some reason. Where no victory is not celebrated it is dissuaded and the loser has protetion over what he has already agreed to lose by using in pvp.
That makes absolutely no sense. By that right I should be able to go into a mission and loot off the cans of the things you blow up and you shouldn't have any reprocution against me.
Why is my hard work any less worthy then yours?
And seriously. Don't look at me, look at any other pvp instance period. Y corp and Z corp go to war because they role play amarr vs minmatar. They get together a huge fleet battle to engage in fair and balanced fight. One fleet loses. Some guy in a hauler walks off with several billion in goods and no one can do anything about it.
How does that make any sense?
Mining: PC vs NPC Ratting: PC vs NPC Missions: PC vs NPC PvP: PC vs PC
See the difference?
The likelyhood of you guys getting sympathy here decreases by every post you do.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Pixie
Originally by: Admiral Pieg In their blind hate towards the privateers, people fail to see the bigger picture. You guys do realize the privs arent the only ones with empire wars right?
And you realize there are other places to fight besides Empire, right?
Whether they'll admit it or not, players conducting war in high security space are taking as much advantage of the relative safety it provides as the players they're accusing of stealing.
THEY TOLD YOU IN THE FRICKIN TUTORIAL THAT YOU WERE NEVER SAFE AS LONG AS YOU WERE UNDOCKED
Loot leeching is RISK FREE.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner All they want is a method to fight off the parasites. Is that so much to ask people? They will accept the aggression timer and the kill rights they receive no problem. But suiciding the multiple kill leeches. . . is ineffective to say the least
That mechanic already exists. It's called low sec and 0.0 space.
If you're hell bent on diving into the kiddie pool, then don't cry about it being too shallow.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Belorem With all this whining I wonder how long it takes for someone to setup a Space Trucker corp whose sole purpose is to shadow Privateer gangs and steal their loot. Maybe people could pay them 25 mil/week to shadow a certain Privateer corp. Now that would be ironic
Oooo, I wonder how long after this corp came to attention of the Privateer Alliance leadership it would remain unwardec'd?
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Pixie
Originally by: Thread Winner All they want is a method to fight off the parasites. Is that so much to ask people? They will accept the aggression timer and the kill rights they receive no problem. But suiciding the multiple kill leeches. . . is ineffective to say the least
That mechanic already exists. It's called low sec and 0.0 space.
If you're hell bent on diving into the kiddie pool, then don't cry about it being too shallow.
No you don't get you've got your hands over your ears and your screaming LALALALALALA trying to drown out all logic like every one else who hates the privateers.
Apply Ammo to NPC = Loot can in your name + Aggresion Towards the NPC's corp
Apply Ammo to PC = Loot can in their name + Agression towards that character + Leeches to steal the loot that get no aggresion.
Do you see the problem here?
ALL THEY WANT IS A WAY TO FIGHT OFF THE LEECHES
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: maihem Edited by: maihem on 05/04/2007 10:56:10 the answer is simple, if you are facing a new method of griefing being directed at your alliance you can adapt to it and find a way of counter it...
why do you think my alt follows your alliance around stealing loot from your wreaks? because you found a new way of greifing large alliances in empire, we found a way to adapt.
How dare you say such a thing in a pirate alliance? Resign from your corp now and join Miners With Attitude
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner THEY TOLD YOU IN THE FRICKIN TUTORIAL THAT YOU WERE NEVER SAFE AS LONG AS YOU WERE UNDOCKED
And that's still true. WHAT'S YOUR FRICKIN POINT?
Originally by: Thread Winner Loot leeching is RISK FREE.
The risks associated with "loot leeching" in Empire space are as significant as the risks for conducting war in Empire space. You do the math.
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Pixie
The risks associated with "loot leeching" in Empire space are as significant as the risks for conducting war in Empire space. You do the math.
Now, you said that in the other thread as well, and I'd like to hear your reasoning. Do you have a lot of experience in Empire wars? Has that experience made you believe that there is no risk involved? May I ask if you have belonged to a corp that goes around deccing 1 man industrial corps, griefing them for a week and then moving on? Because if that's true, than I can see that you would think that Empire wars are risk free.
/Ki
Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Tom Shandy
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:08:00 -
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They changed it so people could salvage other wrecks, Be quicker or get your loot pinched is the only answer child.
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heheheh
Singularity. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:10:00 -
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Why should someones wreck be flagged to you anyway ? just because you blew him up does not make what is left your property.
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Shandy They changed it so people could salvage other wrecks, Be quicker or get your loot pinched is the only answer child.
Good argument
And, Blue Pixie, I'm waiting for your essay on the safety of Empire wars.
/Ki
Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Kira Natako
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Posted - 2007.04.05 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner
THEY TOLD YOU IN THE FRICKIN TUTORIAL THAT YOU WERE NEVER SAFE AS LONG AS YOU WERE UNDOCKED
Loot leeching is RISK FREE.
Wrong, anyone can kill the looter, if you're ready to lose a ship. This whining remind me of players whose haulers get ganked by suicide caracals. What do we say to them when one come cry here? Ah, yes, "High-sec isn't supposed to be totally safe".
Explain again how a loot-stealer doesn't run any risk...
PS: writing in caps and bold doesn't gice more weight to your opinion.
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