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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:21:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Dhaikin Lharoud
Wow ....
Miners are told that they should have a buddy hanging around to protect them, in case someone flips their can.
You should have a buddy follow you around to loot your wrecks for you, problem solved
DL
Yep 
In the imortal words of pirates and gankers everywhere: Use an alt....
Just like the rest of us have to when game mechanics go against what we think should be.
See you at an empire gate camp!!!
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westernstab
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:28:00 -
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hmm thats a good idea to make money. just follow the privateer guys and their wars and mooch. I think i will make a corp just for that purpose.
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Melisa Zeal
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:39:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Roue
HOWEVER
should this change be unacceptable I will accept one other solution listed below
Asteroids will now follow players around and scoop their ore back. And NPC's will scoop their fallen comrades loot back up.
Thank you for your time.
^.^ even though I agree that wrecks should only be flagged to the person who used to own the ship, this made me laugh, so I thank you
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:39:00 -
[34]
Originally by: westernstab
hmm thats a good idea to make money. just follow the privateer guys and their wars and mooch. I think i will make a corp just for that purpose.
Nice idea 
See how many 2 man corps that they can afford to wardec for stealing their loot (when the primary targets leave the corp afterward the dec as allowed by the rules).....
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Feeby
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:49:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Dhaikin Lharoud
Wow ....
Miners are told that they should have a buddy hanging around to protect them, in case someone flips their can.
You should have a buddy follow you around to loot your wrecks for you, problem solved
DL
I totally agree with this miners come to the boards and talk about ore thieves and everybody just tells them to stfu and get a partner, this is a mass online game and you should ever mine solo.
Well i guess the op should learn something from the above lesson. STFU and get a partner, this is a mass online game and you should never pvp or gank solo.
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Pat Metheny
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:56:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Roue
stuff
You must be kidding. How old are you?
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The Slayer
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:01:00 -
[37]
Get. There. First. Simple as. Just get the loot before whoever keeps stealing it and you will be sorted!
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:15:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 05/04/2007 05:13:19
I just noticed this part:
Originally by: Roue
You just got blown up, you were engaged in a pvp fight and you lost. Now let's put aside ganking because I for one love fair and honorable 1v1s. I spend a long time in a fight between my battleship and someone elses. We both agree to risk all we have on it for that fight.
Uhm, does that mean that every war the Privateers has, and every person you shoot at, has declared these wars mutual?
If those are your thoughts on it you are in the wrong alliance 
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:16:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 05/04/2007 05:13:00
I hate these boards
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Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.04.05 06:00:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
I hate these boards
I feel your pain.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.04.05 06:08:00 -
[41]
Or go ratting yourself, all the wrecks belong to you then. IMO, better than grief...erm legally war declaring.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.05 06:31:00 -
[42]
Haha, Privateers complaining about ganking. Now you see how it is on the other end of the stick?
You know how many many people call it unfair that you can wage war against them in empire to have an easy gank? (And most people there want an easy gank! No mistake, there are exceptions but they are not many  )
You say it is valid game mechanics. Well, guess what? Grabbing stuff from wrecks is also valid game mechanics!
Be careful with your whining or otherwise CCP will listen to the many more people whining about the Privateers wars...
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WillisCorto
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Posted - 2007.04.05 06:36:00 -
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Irony overload - the privateers moaning about something.
Great idea btw - my Alts are all set to follow you chaps around.
Anyone wanna setup a corp ?
Starter for 10 :
Amusing names for a Corp that follows these 'players' around and steals their stuff.
I will give a Million ISK to whoever comes up with the funniest
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.05 06:38:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Roue
Originally by: MotoTsume
Edited by: MotoTsume on 04/04/2007 23:47:50
Actually the wreck is flagged, but to the person you shot , the owner of the ship and that is how it should be.
it isnt your loot the moocher is stealing but the person who's ship it was.
So that person can kill the moocher 
Does that really make any sense though?
That's like saying in a wrestling match for the world championship Bob knocks out Joe. Then some guy in the stands runs onto the ring takes the belt of Joe's unconcious body and if BoB attacks this dude for the belt he just won. The ref will shoot him in the head. ANd Joe who is out cold though has 15 minutes to wake up and beat up the guy who is in his car driving home.
You just got blown up, you were engaged in a pvp fight and you lost. Now let's put aside ganking because I for one love fair and honorable 1v1s. I spend a long time in a fight between my battleship and someone elses. We both agree to risk all we have on it for that fight.
The reward is the other person's stuff. No it isn't. Because in order for us to even remotely have a chance at that we have to orbit at less then 1500m. because some noob in a frigate/or indy will be stuck on one of us waiting for us to pop.
Even if I do die, I have what 15minutes to fit a combat effective ship and find the person who stole the wreckage? I would personally rather have the person who defeated me have that. And meet him again in combat. Then some random paserby.
Great example : if a professional wrestler hit a person he is liakble ot attempted murder.
His hands are a letal weapon.
So while the refeeree will not shot him, the security will stop him.
And CONCORD blowing your ship is the security stopping you, they don't kill you.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.05 06:45:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Roue
Edited by: Roue on 04/04/2007 23:59:19
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Didn't you guys complain about this last week?
Didn't get much sympathy then either. Simply: The wreck belongs to the PC who's ship was destroyed. Any other method would increase griefing to the original owner.
If you want something along the lines of "dual ownership" so that the killer AND the killed can take the contents, then we demand it for ore lost to can flippers too, plus several hundred other requests to make our stuff "safer" from thieves.
But it isn't the same.
In mining. If I am engaged in mining and I'm concerned about someone stealing my ore. I can bring a battleship along with me. The moment he takes my ore I can blow him to kingdom come.
In NPCing. same thing, hell I could probably do it in my npcing ship.
However PVP is considered different for some reason. Where no victory is not celebrated it is dissuaded and the loser has protetion over what he has already agreed to lose by using in pvp.
That makes absolutely no sense. By that right I should be able to go into a mission and loot off the cans of the things you blow up and you shouldn't have any reprocution against me.
Why is my hard work any less worthy then yours?
And seriously. Don't look at me, look at any other pvp instance period. Y corp and Z corp go to war because they role play amarr vs minmatar. They get together a huge fleet battle to engage in fair and balanced fight. One fleet loses. Some guy in a hauler walks off with several billion in goods and no one can do anything about it.
How does that make any sense?
The usual: "I want double ownership, but only where it help me."
And then you ask why people despise the Privateers.
If CCP introduce multiple ownership it should be used everywere.
Till we have simgle ownership, the one losing the ship has the primary claim on the wreck.
Simple and clean.
It has negative secondary effect, but the rewerse would be worse.
And a change in code so that in some istance the wrecks belogs to the one destroing the ship and in other to the owner of the ship, based on a check if the ship was destroyed by PC or NPC, probably will create some new bugs (it may seem easy, but I have very little faith in that).
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:06:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Roue
On my list this is at the top of current feature/frustrations.
Please at least give us an aggreement on the necessity of change to this. Being followed in empire by moochers who steal my or my victims loot is ridiculous.
IMHO being followed around by corps who join an alliance who wardec anybody and then leave when things get too hot so you can't shoot them is also pretty ridiculous 
But because you like analogies, i'll make another one : you just shot somebody driving around in his car and when somebody else takes that car before you can, you say they stole from you ?
Plain simple Eve isn't very logical when it comes to stealing/killing, so deal with it. Can switching without any police intervention is also not very logical, or did you ever see a police-officer doing nothing when they see somebody is stealing things ?
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:18:00 -
[47]
Originally by: westernstab
hmm thats a good idea to make money. just follow the privateer guys and their wars and mooch. I think i will make a corp just for that purpose.
why create corp for that? just use an npc corp alt... this way PVT cant shoot ya when ya steal from 'em hahaha
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warpod
Amarr
Pact Of Honour
United Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:27:00 -
[48]
1. Adapt.
2. Whine more!
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timov
Midas Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:35:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Roue
Even if I do die, I have what 15minutes to fit a combat effective ship and find the person who stole the wreckage? I would personally rather have the person who defeated me have that. And meet him again in combat. Then some random paserby.
i see the risk of grieving, but what you typed matches my point of view. Who wants to fight shall accept to loose what is set in fight - and case you loose your opponent has earned it.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:59:00 -
[50]
Privateers, when will you ever learn?
Never EVER post a thread like this with your PRVTR main. ALWAYS use an alt, or get a friend in an alliance to post. The munchkins simply hate you too much to not troll apart your thread, so nothing good will ever come of it.
/Ki
Remember, kids:
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Kira Natako
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:06:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Roue
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
I can only think of 2-3 responses to this..
1. Quit crying.. thats how its setup and this is an unforgiving game.. if you cant handle the loss of loot from loot thieves.. stop attacking ppl in jita with 300 other players hanging around.
2. "Adapt or GTFO"
3. You chose that possibility when you joined a player corp.. if you dont want that to happen.. get out of the player corp.
Players that object to your way of doing things are told to adapt or quit cause EVE is unforgiving..
Now you want the system changed to benefit you so that it is less unforgiving..
Ironic imo
I rarely if ever engage in pvp in jita. Did you know people make a career out of following around members of my alliance to loot them. They set negative standings and follow us THROUGH OUT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. Remember when peopel could scan out your missions and take your loot and you couldn't do anything about it
two weeks later it was patched, gotta protect the mission runners.
Yet this form of what is by no different definition then mission griefing.. a form of GRIEFING. is supported.
You don't know the definition of griefing: Greifing is trying to hurt a fellow player with actions that don't give you any benefit. Someone looting "your" wrecks, or rather the wrecks belonging to your victims, get a benefit out of it, so it's not any more greifing that ganking a player in low-sec.
Speaking of low-sec, it's the answer to your woes...
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:46:00 -
[52]
I think the issue is more the actual purpose of war decs.
To my knowledge they were more intended as way for corporations to be able to get a step over economic war, to be able to shoot their competitiors out of business. For this aim it doesn't really matter if a neutral naps the loot, only the financial loss of the target matters.
Privateers are in a sense corrupting the system by using it for highsec piracy. While I do not think that this is any way an exploit I neither think it should be made easier in any way for them.
As has been said already, high sec piracy has some definite advantages. The "hard work" of privateers is "less worthy" than that of other people simply because it is less hard work.
If you pirate in low sec you will become outlaw with all the disadvantages, if you pirate in 0.0 you have to worry about bubbles and the rarity of stations. And in both cases you'll have a significantly reduced amount of targets compared to highsec piracy because there is simply less traffic.
Highsec piracy has the advantage of no bubbles, no sec status drop, readily available stations & high traffic and as disadvantage the war dec costs and the higher danger of someone stealing your loot. Thats already pretty balanced if not in favour of highsec ganking if you ask me.
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Moraguth
Amarr
Rangers
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:53:00 -
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I'm sorry, but this idea that you worked hard for the loot in that can just makes me laugh. That's like a thief getting ****ed off that another thief stole his loot "hey i stole that fair and square". Whatever, theif number one isn't going to call the cops and complain.
Get over it.
Or, as privateers used to always tell their victims "adapt and overcome" or some other such BS.
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Ashaz
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:08:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Roue
Does that really make any sense though?
That's like saying in a wrestling match for the world championship Bob knocks out Joe. Then some guy in the stands runs onto the ring takes the belt of Joe's unconcious body and if BoB attacks this dude for the belt he just won. The ref will shoot him in the head. ANd Joe who is out cold though has 15 minutes to wake up and beat up the guy who is in his car driving home.
wow. that was probably the wrst comparison I have ever seen.
a wrestling match...
nono. Let's put it into a propper perspective.
OfficeworkerJoe is walking home from work.
LazyassThug is hideing behind a corner with a gun.
LazyassThug shoots OfficeworkerJoe in the head.
OfficeworkerJoe dies and drops his briefcase.
Streetkid runs by and grabs the briefcase.
now. does LazyassThug call the police and report the Streetkid for stealing?
I didn't think so...
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Amphetamines
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Roue
On my list this is at the top of current feature/frustrations.
at the top of my list is your stupid alliance who like to pick on defenseless people who undock from stations.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:25:00 -
[56]
this is going to turn out in yet another flame against the privateers thread instead of staying un-topic
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Le Fugly
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:25:00 -
[57]
Noooooo! This alt survives by feefing from privateers.
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:06:00 -
[58]
Originally by: SFShootme
this is going to turn out in yet another flame against the privateers thread instead of staying un-topic
Guess there isn't much to say about this topic anymore. I've seen a dozen of those threads allready.
And yes, i don't think the current solution is the best, but as long as we don't have multiple ownerships (killer as well as killed have lootrights) it is the best one.
But the best solution for the Privateers is to just go to 0.0 where they can kill anybody who follows them, loots there cans etc. They are using wardeclarations in a way they weren't meant (prevent people in a 0.0 war from hiding in empire) and i haven't seen them complain about that
Just learn to live with it, you don't like others looting your kills. Those others don't like being wardec'd just because you can....
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Gouglash
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:10:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Okkie2
Originally by: SFShootme
this is going to turn out in yet another flame against the privateers thread instead of staying un-topic
Guess there isn't much to say about this topic anymore. I've seen a dozen of those threads allready.
And yes, i don't think the current solution is the best, but as long as we don't have multiple ownerships (killer as well as killed have lootrights) it is the best one.
But the best solution for the Privateers is to just go to 0.0 where they can kill anybody who follows them, loots there cans etc. They are using wardeclarations in a way they weren't meant (prevent people in a 0.0 war from hiding in empire) and i haven't seen them complain about that
Just learn to live with it, you don't like others looting your kills. Those others don't like being wardec'd just because you can....
Why does there need to be multiple lootrights?
The person who died already has killrights on the killer, and the killer is the only one left on the battlefield (well, mostly) so I don't see the need?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme
this is going to turn out in yet another flame against the privateers thread instead of staying un-topic
Your alliance decides that you don't want to PvP in 0.0 because it is lame, boring and only laggy.
So you move to empire.
Your alliance mostly fights in high sec because low sec empire has many disadvantages (for example lower traffic).
So you move to high sec.
Now you complain that you have disadvantages in high sec.
So what? Go to low sec, then you can kill those who steal from your wrecks. Or go to 0.0, there you can kill even more.
NO ONE forces you to kill in high sec, it is your own decision. If you don't like the way how high sec fighting works, go somewhere else.
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