Originally by: Angus McLean

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Edited by: Angus McLean on 17/04/2007 19:36:13
You guys realize it takes time to drop Cyno fields right? Any good fleet commander would have a tach geddon pop recons on the battlefield.

Most likely you will want to kill battleships, but most people know the costs of killing an enemy battleship or stopping them from cynoing cap ships on you.

(Edit: Meaning most people will see a recon and go "Bobby, stop shooting at that faction tanked scorpion and pop this recon in case hes making a cyno." Once its popped...you resume your buisness.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 17/04/2007 22:38:39

Originally by: Angus McLean

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Edited by: Angus McLean on 17/04/2007 19:36:13
You guys realize it takes time to drop Cyno fields right? Any good fleet commander would have a tach geddon pop recons on the battlefield.


Most likely you will want to kill battleships, but most people know the costs of killing an enemy battleship or stopping them from cynoing cap ships on you.

(Edit: Meaning most people will see a recon and go "Bobby, stop shooting at that faction tanked scorpion and pop this recon in case hes making a cyno." Once its popped...you resume your buisness.

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And i think you are playing different game than i do. In "my" EVE every ship except noobship can drop cyno in time it takes to activate one module. Then cynoing in titan takes another 2 clicks. Total time - abt 3 seconds (+ time it takes to load next system for capital ship).

Next time before you start being smartass check cyno req's and cooldown. Or just buy one and fit it on t1 frig + launch it.

EDIT:
im not even 100% sure if noobship cant fit cyno gen... prolly not enough space to fit fuel tho.

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Originally by: Angus McLean

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With skills that can be reduced, but it still takes the upwards of a minute or so to create..

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Originally by: Angus McLean

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With skills that can be reduced, but it still takes the upwards of a minute or so to create..

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Originally by: The crablitt

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Originally by: goodby4u

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Originally by: The crablitt

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Originally by: goodby4u

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The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull.

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Its fair to allow it to create a jump portal, and use a lot of capital sized weapons.

The DD isnt fair, and by CCPs standings a bad way to implement an anti-blob system.

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If its so unfair why dont you fly one?Secondly im sure fleets of battleships you could buy with the cost of a titan could probably do more alpha strike then 76k.

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Also them fleets go boom or are left with hardly any HP in 1 press of a button from a Titan.

I am fighting a force with a Titan, and fighting with a force that has a Titan.

I have to say, I am so far behind being able to PvP in 0.0, the way I liked and enjoyed it, I am considering quiting EvE.

Obviously you dont play the game if you dont like it, however I liked it before Titans come into play. EvE's POS wars/territorial battles were so much more fun with just battleships/support/tacklers/dreads.

You had to be tactical, you had to think about what you were doing. Now all I can do is just dock or safe spot when a titan comes into play. I am practically useless, we've tried catching the Titan, but the large bubbles we keep placing go boom to fast, and by that time the titan has warped.

Its fustrating, so maybe see this thread as a big whine from me, however CCP made Titans tooooooo good. Ok, it takes lots of logistics and isk to build and use, but once its being used, a single ship can scare a 100 man fleet off, because its classed as a Titan.

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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Edited by: Gamesguy on 17/04/2007 02:32:04

Originally by: MasterDecoy

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no, but warp scrambling does, oh, wait...

would inties even be able to bump it is what i want to know as i was under the impression that only bigger things (nano[minnie dread] whatchamacallit) could possibly hope to bump it out of alignment?

plus, where the **** are you gonna find many 15k inties anyways?

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You cant bump a capital with anything less than a battleship, and even with battleships its hard(the carrier/dread moves like 5 degrees off alignment at the most). With a supercapital? The official dev response is you need a pair of nano naglfars, too bad nanos were nerfed into oblivion since that comment...

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That's not even close to true, both capitals and supercapitals can be bumped by battleships just fine. The model doesn't re-orient at more than a certain, rather low, rate but the vector changes and with it it's real orientation necessary for warp, not the visual and meaningless one.

That doesn't make titans anymore killable though, just regular capitals.

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Originally by: Turin Shroud

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You do realise if you kill the cyno the dd doesnt do any damage, if you cant kill a ship with a fleet in 15 seconds, then meh

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Originally by: Turin Shroud

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You do realise if you kill the cyno the dd doesnt do any damage, if you cant kill a ship with a fleet in 15 seconds, then meh

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Originally by: Ifni

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What's the real issue here?

Broken game mechanics, or disappointment at your own performance. If the loss of 2 ships sends you back to Empire, why are you taking part in Alliance level combat? The generally touted phrase is "if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it."

That applies to Titans too. 120b++ to buy the bpo's and build, and then there's the running costs. It's not cheap to fire the jump portal or doomsday.

It sucks, for you, that you died. But really, Titans are reasonably fine as they are. Just remember that not even a tenth of the player base has seen one yet.

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Originally by: Pestillence

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It's a game where we fly around in eggs with tubes up our arses. If I want reality I'll go outside.

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Originally by: Lynal

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no offense, but it sounds as if you're thinking too tactically and not strategically enough. as others have said, titans aren't about 1v1, their about fleet vs fleet. against something like that, you gotta think strategically... not tactically. kinda a sacrifice the pawn to get checkmate thing... sorry, your first wave of ships is gonna get one shotted, but you already knew that was going to happen... now when you're second wave of ships arrives... but wait, you did leave most of your fleet behind until after that titan had fired off its DD right?

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Then why doesn't CCP makes a specific ship for poping cynos?It would give everyone a chance, not some recon, some capital support ship, cruiser sized for instance.

And make cyno disrupting probes, like a probe launched at a cynofield to kill it or stop transit of the thing for lets say almost a minute.

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Originally by: Caldari Online

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how do you propsoe taking over a region or a station or killing a pos with a 20-30 man gang

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Originally by: Hank Showbo

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Then why doesn't CCP makes a specific ship for poping cynos?It would give everyone a chance, not some recon, some capital support ship, cruiser sized for instance.

And make cyno disrupting probes, like a probe launched at a cynofield to kill it or stop transit of the thing for lets say almost a minute.

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That would mean all capitals get nerfed.

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Once again i must say its one hell of an expensive ship,it should be able to kill its weight,its also very rare.

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Originally by: Mariosav

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Once again i must say its one hell of an expensive ship,it should be able to kill its weight,its also very rare.

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yeah, because only alliances with uber complexes can afford them

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Originally by: Turin Shroud

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You do realise if you kill the cyno the dd doesnt do any damage, if you cant kill a ship with a fleet in 15 seconds, then meh

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You're aware that blowing up the ship doesn't destroy the cyno right?

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Originally by: Hank Showbo

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Then why doesn't CCP makes a specific ship for poping cynos?It would give everyone a chance, not some recon, some capital support ship, cruiser sized for instance.

And make cyno disrupting probes, like a probe launched at a cynofield to kill it or stop transit of the thing for lets say almost a minute.

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That would mean all capitals get nerfed.

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No, it would meant that all players would get a even chance in battle, you could make that cap support ship cloakable for instance.

Thus not needing to nerf ships, and for what i read you could had some cap drainage to the DD activation, that would be reasonable also.

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Originally by: The crablitt

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Originally by: Hank Showbo

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Then why doesn't CCP makes a specific ship for poping cynos?It would give everyone a chance, not some recon, some capital support ship, cruiser sized for instance.

And make cyno disrupting probes, like a probe launched at a cynofield to kill it or stop transit of the thing for lets say almost a minute.

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That would mean all capitals get nerfed.

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No, it would meant that all players would get a even chance in battle, you could make that cap support ship cloakable for instance.

Thus not needing to nerf ships, and for what i read you could had some cap drainage to the DD activation, that would be reasonable also.

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Even if it required quite a bit of cap, you can get like a 7 second cap recharge on a titan if you invest a lot of isk.

Having said that, I dont think a Titan should be able to cyno out straight away, even if its cap is recharged.

It should be given a cyno-out delay providing its fired its doomsday weapon. Something in the lines of 20 minutes.

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Originally by: Tregaron

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Half the people in this forum moaning ain't even seen a titan.

DD weapons are nerved (can only be used 1s then u got to sit at a pos and recharge it)

oh btw get 60 kessi all shoot a full volly you do more damage than a DD

Talk to anyone who got poped by a titan and they'll say it was worth the chance to see the DD


Killmail stuff

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Originally by: Gabriel Roberts

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Originally by: Tregaron

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Half the people in this forum moaning ain't even seen a titan.

DD weapons are nerved (can only be used 1s then u got to sit at a pos and recharge it)

oh btw get 60 kessi all shoot a full volly you do more damage than a DD

Talk to anyone who got poped by a titan and they'll say it was worth the chance to see the DD


Killmail stuff

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Unfortunately 60 kessies can't insta pop 200+ ships or more at once, however 1 kessie with a cyno can.

So every time I get popped by a dd I should be grateful because I got to see it....no. Why are people arguing about being able to blow up a cyno? By the time the lag has rolled around your all dead anyway, if you're talking about hitting the cyno before the IWB jumps in then you're delusional. Once you get to the cyno the titan is gone or he instapops you with officer smartbombs, that's if your fortunate enough no to warp in front of an enemy pos.

Cost is irrelevant, by this time next year there will 20 or more Titans around all unkillable unless some of them sucumb to the dreaded logoff or metagame tactic. In truth I don't mind anything except for the remote dd'n, it should have to warp it's big ugly ass into the fight.

I like the capital warp scramblers and webbers idea. Nothing like watching dreads and titans cruise close range to each other while they're firing off shots, carriers and motherships off in the distance with fighters swarming about (off course the niddy's would be up close desperately trying to keep the other capitals armor/shield up). All other ships that survied the DD(s) in the swarm cruising in out of the capital ship cluster $#%)!.... good times.

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