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The crablitt	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:44:00 - [1] Titans - Big big ships, big badda boom iwin button. Jump portals, immune to all EW, almost immune to interdictors when fit with officer smartbomb. In my opinion, the extent of capital ships in EvE should have stayed at Dreadnaught and Carriers (not motherships, just Thanatos, Chimera, Archon and Nidhoggur). Titans should not have been put into EvE, why? Well OK, I've lost 2 ships to a Titan now, extremely annoying, I have lost a Maelstrom and a Vagabond, I am annoyed that a press of a button did that, and popped almost everyone of my fleet too. We WANTED to fight, we WANTED to play EVE, now I find myself leaving alliance warfare and going to empire. Its almost like CCP put the doomsday thing in as a damn 'get rid of lag now' button, it wouldnt even surprise me if that was true. There is no reason to put them in the game, they make no sense. Down with Titans or at least Doomsday Devices! Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:47:00 - [2] The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
The crablitt	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:50:00 - [3] Originally by: goodby4u The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull. Its fair to allow it to create a jump portal, and use a lot of capital sized weapons. The DD isnt fair, and by CCPs standings a bad way to implement an anti-blob system. Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:50:00 - [4] Hmm as far as i know the lolalition got theyr own titan, just use them ingame instead whining. --- Cheap paint ftw
The crablitt	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Valandril Hmm as far as i know the lolalition got theyr own titan, just use them ingame instead whining. They do, and everything dies before we warp into a hostile fleet, so..... Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:53:00 - [6] Originally by: The crablitt Originally by: goodby4u The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull. Its fair to allow it to create a jump portal, and use a lot of capital sized weapons. The DD isnt fair, and by CCPs standings a bad way to implement an anti-blob system. If its so unfair why dont you fly one?Secondly im sure fleets of battleships you could buy with the cost of a titan could probably do more alpha strike then 76k. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:56:00 - [7] i love big ships!!! its one of the main reasons i got into this game!!!! but i too believe the dd weapon is overpowered! if it was implemented to help fight against blobs......its not working...as blobs are still a huge problem in eve and ccp needs to look into this a lot more rather than just puttin a huge weapon on a ship and sayin...yeah that will sort it. titans and motherships are awesome..and just make the whole space feel that much better! however i do feel that the DD is a problem..and needs to be looked at and refined..big time!
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Valandril on 16/04/2007 08:54:48 Originally by: The crablitt Originally by: Valandril Hmm as far as i know the lolalition got theyr own titan, just use them ingame instead whining. They do, and everything dies before we warp into a hostile fleet, so..... Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run. And we got new age prophercy ! Titans will ruin eve ! No one is safe ! U will never know is beltmining safe atm coz titan will warping and kill u ! /me do some strange gestures with his hands We are too weak to use our titan so lets nerf all titans ! Lets take theyr advantage ! Nerf nerf nerf Now seriously, alliance 0.0 warfare is not about single persons but whole alliances. Don't like it ? Stick with piracy --- Cheap paint ftw
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Jayne Tamm i love big ships!!! its one of the main reasons i got into this game!!!! but i too believe the dd weapon is overpowered! if it was implemented to help fight against blobs......its not working...as blobs are still a huge problem in eve and ccp needs to look into this a lot more rather than just puttin a huge weapon on a ship and sayin...yeah that will sort it. titans and motherships are awesome..and just make the whole space feel that much better! however i do feel that the DD is a problem..and needs to be looked at and refined..big time! Once again i must say its one hell of an expensive ship,it should be able to kill its weight,its also very rare. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:02:00 - [10] He does have a point tho. It's not that a ship that costs 100mil is that powerful, fair enough. It's more that such a ship was in the game in the first place. IMO ships like this that can only be built by large alliance (or are supposed to be) add value to the game, giving people a goal to aim at, however on the combat side of things it would be better to have defensive bonuses to your fleet or something, making it a good front line ship, rather than just a one-shot wonder. The DD needs looking at. sgb

The crablitt	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:03:00 - [11] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: The crablitt Originally by: goodby4u The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull. Its fair to allow it to create a jump portal, and use a lot of capital sized weapons. The DD isnt fair, and by CCPs standings a bad way to implement an anti-blob system. If its so unfair why dont you fly one?Secondly im sure fleets of battleships you could buy with the cost of a titan could probably do more alpha strike then 76k. Also them fleets go boom or are left with hardly any HP in 1 press of a button from a Titan. I am fighting a force with a Titan, and fighting with a force that has a Titan. I have to say, I am so far behind being able to PvP in 0.0, the way I liked and enjoyed it, I am considering quiting EvE. Obviously you dont play the game if you dont like it, however I liked it before Titans come into play. EvE's POS wars/territorial battles were so much more fun with just battleships/support/tacklers/dreads. You had to be tactical, you had to think about what you were doing. Now all I can do is just dock or safe spot when a titan comes into play. I am practically useless, we've tried catching the Titan, but the large bubbles we keep placing go boom to fast, and by that time the titan has warped. Its fustrating, so maybe see this thread as a big whine from me, however CCP made Titans tooooooo good. Ok, it takes lots of logistics and isk to build and use, but once its being used, a single ship can scare a 100 man fleet off, because its classed as a Titan. Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:03:00 - [12] What's the real issue here? Broken game mechanics, or disappointment at your own performance. If the loss of 2 ships sends you back to Empire, why are you taking part in Alliance level combat? The generally touted phrase is "if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it." That applies to Titans too. 120b++ to buy the bpo's and build, and then there's the running costs. It's not cheap to fire the jump portal or doomsday. It sucks, for you, that you died. But really, Titans are reasonably fine as they are. Just remember that not even a tenth of the player base has seen one yet. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:07:00 - [13] easy solution: dont creat blobs that are worth DDing.. DD triggering costs alot, so i dont think that in few months everybody would run across low sec and DD u in belt just to get u killed.. Be in small groups and u wont be viable target to DD.
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:11:00 - [14] i understand that its very expensive and i agree it shud be really powerful!!! but what im tryin to say is that the ship is fine..its the doomsady weapon that isnt. i posted acouple ideas about possible fixes a few weeks ago.... but basically 2 things that i thought that cud be changed to make it more balanced are as follows; 1) get rid of the whole dd firing through cyno!! thats just a ridiculous idea!! that makes the titan able to to destroy fleets without it putting itself in any danger!! 2) give the dd a charge up time! say once its activated....give it a period of say a minute or two to charge up. this i feel will just make the whole fight against a titan that little bit more interesting and even.
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:11:00 - [15] Originally by: smallgreenblur He does have a point tho. It's not that a ship that costs 100mil is that powerful, fair enough. It's more that such a ship was in the game in the first place. IMO ships like this that can only be built by large alliance (or are supposed to be) add value to the game, giving people a goal to aim at, however on the combat side of things it would be better to have defensive bonuses to your fleet or something, making it a good front line ship, rather than just a one-shot wonder. The DD needs looking at. sgb I really agree with this statement to be honest. I havent flet the wrath of a doomsday yet, I was close to yesterday though, takeaway arrived at the right time man (Laters, foods here style!) I have no idea of the Logistics needed to actually run a Titan, however I think the Doomsday devices are overpowered. Titans should grant thier fleet a bonus, like they do atm, not sure if the gang bonus they give is for all gang members or just if the dudes set as commander like how gang bonuses work normally. Theres so much potential to have a big epic battle if a Titan comes in, jumps in his fleet, but doesnt use a doomsday device to end most of it the second the doomsday goes off. So for my vote, it would be to re-think about the Titans role, but remove Doomsday Devices from the game.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Miss KillSome easy solution: dont creat blobs that are worth DDing.. DD triggering costs alot, so i dont think that in few months everybody would run across low sec and DD u in belt just to get u killed.. Be in small groups and u wont be viable target to DD. Do you even understand the problem? sgb
Stelteck Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:12:00 - [17] The problem of the titan and especially its doomsday weapon is the following : When the ennemy have a titan, the best thing to do is to hide. When every side have a titan, every side hide. It prevents both side to engage in fleet battle (Or at least decrease the amount of battle in a conflit). It makes eve boring. Stelteck. Tau ceti FEDERATION F-NAVY "Brakes are for cowards"
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:14:00 - [18] Edited by: goodby4u on 16/04/2007 09:11:50 Originally by: The crablitt Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: The crablitt Originally by: goodby4u The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull. Its fair to allow it to create a jump portal, and use a lot of capital sized weapons. The DD isnt fair, and by CCPs standings a bad way to implement an anti-blob system. If its so unfair why dont you fly one?Secondly im sure fleets of battleships you could buy with the cost of a titan could probably do more alpha strike then 76k. Also them fleets go boom or are left with hardly any HP in 1 press of a button from a Titan. I am fighting a force with a Titan, and fighting with a force that has a Titan. I have to say, I am so far behind being able to PvP in 0.0, the way I liked and enjoyed it, I am considering quiting EvE. Obviously you dont play the game if you dont like it, however I liked it before Titans come into play. EvE's POS wars/territorial battles were so much more fun with just battleships/support/tacklers/dreads. You had to be tactical, you had to think about what you were doing. Now all I can do is just dock or safe spot when a titan comes into play. I am practically useless, we've tried catching the Titan, but the large bubbles we keep placing go boom to fast, and by that time the titan has warped. Its fustrating, so maybe see this thread as a big whine from me, however CCP made Titans tooooooo good. Ok, it takes lots of logistics and isk to build and use, but once its being used, a single ship can scare a 100 man fleet off, because its classed as a Titan. 100 man fleet of bses costs(without mods)10billion,titan is 100billion+ If the fleet had a brain and wanted to kill that titan all they really need to do is equip hardeners specific to the titan..Bump it and continually bubble it till it dies. And tbh a titan pilot wont be looking for single targets,so warp a small group in to kill it...If it DD's then warp your bigger group in to pound it into submission. Tbh DD's or titans are not the problems,the bubbles are...Mainly because titans can pop them easily with officer smartbombs which shouldnt be the case. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:15:00 - [19] im new, so what i think matters little im sure.. the idea of a titan is very nice imo, a very big ship, that had a whole alliance working on it, and it should have a real benefit when decided to put in use. altho i dont see destroying an entire fleet in a button pressed, is the benefit i was hoping for. as mentioned, people PVP to do just that.. pvp. they wanna fight, and with something destroying a entire fleet in a second fighting doesnt even come into play, and thus PVP is no more. problem is tho, that once something makes it into a game, its VERY rare to see a 100% overhaul of its uses. tho maybe in eve its commenplace, so yea :p
The crablitt	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Stelteck The problem of the titan and especially its doomsday weapon is the following : When the ennemy have a titan, the best thing to do is to hide. When every side have a titan, every side hide. It prevents both side to engage in fleet battle (Or at least decrease the amount of battle in a conflit). It makes eve boring. Stelteck. Amen. Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run.

Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:30:00 - [21] Originally by: goodby4u If the fleet had a brain and wanted to kill that titan all they really need to do is equip hardeners specific to the titan..Bump it and continually bubble it till it dies. Stop using that cheap argument and try it for yourself. Alot of people have fought titans with quite some tactical talent amongst them, and yet no titan has been killed in combat. It's NOT easy. Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: goodby4u If the fleet had a brain and wanted to kill that titan all they really need to do is equip hardeners specific to the titan..Bump it and continually bubble it till it dies. Stop using that cheap argument and try it for yourself. Alot of people have fought titans with quite some tactical talent amongst them, and yet no titan has been killed in combat. It's NOT easy. BOB's second titan fought back...Plus there were 2 other titans that died and one that got close to being built but the pos got brought down. And a mothership also went down by MC under this same tactic...Got close to living but died nonetheless. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Hazkr Rwzk	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:54:00 - [23] the only thign overpwoered about the DD is a titan can cyno in DD and cyno out straight away. i don't mind that big old ship beign there and wiping out some of our ships but atleast force it to stay there long enough for us to counter act. i think there should be a 5 minute delay between DDs and being able to jump.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Hazkr Rwzk the only thign overpwoered about the DD is a titan can cyno in DD and cyno out straight away. i don't mind that big old ship beign there and wiping out some of our ships but atleast force it to stay there long enough for us to counter act. i think there should be a 5 minute delay between DDs and being able to jump. Then you'd hate the fact that that cyno could launch a DD __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Karma Coma The Rising Stars	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:59:00 - [25] Just wanted to add that the game had a complete overhaul for the purpose of making engagements last longer... yet then the ultimate weapon is introduced, this goes against the way the game 'should' be developing and, in on its own, would warrent looking into dds. just my 2 cents
Gibbal Slogspit Buffed Rumpuss Zit Dids	Posted - 2007.04.16 10:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Karma Coma Just wanted to add that the game had a complete overhaul for the purpose of making engagements last longer... yet then the ultimate weapon is introduced, this goes against the way the game 'should' be developing and, in on its own, would warrent looking into dds. just my 2 cents Very much true, they boost HP and everything to make them longer, so whats the deal with the DD?
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.16 10:05:00 - [27] Originally by: goodby4u The DD weapon was implamented to decrease blobs...I think its fair to have a ship that costs 100bil+be very...very...powerfull. Clearly it has worked. People don't blob any more. If anything the existance of titans and the process of building them encourages blobbing. -
Amitabh Bachchan	Posted - 2007.04.16 10:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Amitabh Bachchan on 16/04/2007 10:06:40 Originally by: Stelteck The problem of the titan and especially its doomsday weapon is the following : When the ennemy have a titan, the best thing to do is to hide. When every side have a titan, every side hide. It prevents both side to engage in fleet battle (Or at least decrease the amount of battle in a conflit). It makes eve boring. Stelteck. If you bring equal numbers, then people fight. If you bring 300 vs 90, then the 90 will of course titan blast Why are the ships not setup to tank titan blasts?
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.16 10:13:00 - [29] Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 16/04/2007 10:09:35 I never got the blob concept. If you have say 300 online in your alliance, you say, hey we got an op going, if you wanna join in ask for gang yadda yadda. So the gang ends up being 200 strong, not because the force is rubbish and needs the numbers to win, but because they wanna join in and play EvE. Why would CCP want to nerf the ammount of people that want to get involved?
The crablitt	Posted - 2007.04.16 10:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Spaced Skunk Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 16/04/2007 10:09:35 I never got the blob concept. If you have say 300 online in your alliance, you say, hey we got an op going, if you wanna join in ask for gang yadda yadda. So the gang ends up being 200 strong, not because the force is rubbish and needs the numbers to win, but because they wanna join in and play EvE. Why would CCP want to nerf the ammount of people that want to get involved? If it is indeed an organised alliance, the details would have been placed into an alliance mail, thus many people attend knowing about it a few days before. So your statement it very true imo, and obviously relevant only if the Titans Doomsday Module was infact designed to reduce large fleets to the only ships that seen to count these days; Capital ships. Titans will ruin EvE and territorial warfare in the long run.



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