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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:34:00 -
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The Revelations 1.4.2 patch has been deployed and Tranquility has returned to service. If you have an issue after the deployment, please check the Known Issues page to see if the Dev Team is already aware of it and submit a bug report. If you are unsure of what has been changed in this patch, please take a look at the Patch Notes page.
Please keep feedback constructive and on-topic. Negative, spam or off-topic posts will be removed.
The Dev Team will be monitoring this thread throughout the next few days to keep abreast of the patch deployment and status.
Update(1): A number of exploits were resolved during the patch, but were not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. These exploit fixes have been added to the patch notes.*
Update(2): The following addition was made to the Patch Notes:
The Salvage Drone Operation skill was incorrectly added to TQ as a mission reward, and has been removed.
The Dev Team is discussing how to resolve the issue created by the untimely release of the skill to Tranquility. When a decision has been made, the community will be informed.
We apologize for the confusion resulting from the deployment and removal of the skill.
Update(3): Due to a hardware issue we have experienced a lot of node deaths. This has been temporarily fixed, meaning we shouldn't have more node deaths due to this, and we will fix the hardware next week to get rid of it once and for all. A lot of the lag you may have experienced since startup is probably due to this issue.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
* All post patch updates to the patch notes are done in green colored text.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:42:00 -
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Shouldn't the patch be 1.4.2 instead of 1.4.1?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: WhitePhantom Shouldn't the patch be 1.4.2 instead of 1.4.1?
I was frantically updating the Known Issues page and missed that, thanks.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:49:00 -
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Freighter changes going smooth so far.
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Kay Han
Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:56:00 -
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You ****** up the overview.
I see nothing when changing the profile. also my dronebay isn¦t visible (and yes i have drones in this ship) ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:57:00 -
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When leaving station, some cap seems to have evaporated.
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AceOfSpace
Pineapple Blunder
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:01:00 -
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Yeay =) the attributes of BPOs seem to have been rearranged into a much nicer order <:)
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Novemb3r
The Splinter Syndicate R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Novemb3r on 24/04/2007 14:08:50 Never mind. just need to reset to default and re save settings
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mogwai
Gallente Gremlin Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:03:00 -
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wtf happened to 'salvage drone operation' skill?
i logged in to find no skill training and the 4 levels already trained GONE!
petitioned it.... and waiting now with no skill training... ----------------- Drones : 18 skills, 19,456,000 points |
Leneerra
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:05:00 -
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salvage drone skill dissapeared from char sheet after the update
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AceOfSpace
Pineapple Blunder
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:08:00 -
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Nice to see the old bug of writing in the wrong chat window due to cursor not moving to the new one still hasn't been fixed :( how hard can it be? maybe one line of code somewhere ;'o
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Mac Chicken
Gallente Dark Horizons Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mac Chicken on 24/04/2007 14:13:53 A completely blank overview! on certain systems only.
As i was making a trip in forge to citadel, out of 13 jumps, 9 systems have blank overview.
What happen to the jump clone countdown?! all i have is "ui_shared_lastclonejumpago"!
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 24/04/2007 14:19:44
Great job chaps....
Just wanted to say I'm really liking the original notofier at the top of BPOs.
It makes sorting BPOs from BPCs much less of a chore without having to scroll down each BP to find the BPO.
Little improvements and things like that are why CCP are the best. Good work, go have a beer or seven tonight!
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas |
Yggdrassil
STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:24:00 -
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I got the overview bug too.
Got 2 chars logged on in same system.
1 got all good, overview works. 1 don't work at all - completely blank
Tried clearing macho-net, did nothing for me.
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T Marvin
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: T Marvin on 24/04/2007 14:27:25 Clone Jump timer is not working ui_shared_lastclonejumpago
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Damon Ra
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:33:00 -
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Wow... very simple and "dumb" bugs introduced 2 patches ago that broke existing functionality still exist. The zoom resetting bug has been around since December for instance, and the highlight for buy orders not being applied correctly for at least 2 months.
Is it just me or is the "Known Issues" page just getting longer and longer?
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CCP Zulupark
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:36:00 -
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Someone who has the Overview bug, please run a log server, restart your client and reproduce the bug.
Then file a bugreport as soon as possible, and the matter will be looked into with haste.
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Yggdrassil
STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:39:00 -
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Got my bug fixed.
Solution: 1. Load the overview setting "default - Mining" 2. Load the overview setting you want to use
Fixed mine.
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Yggdrassil
STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:45:00 -
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was too quick there.
seems like my saved overview thingy is bugged - the default works
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Kay Han
Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark Someone who has the Overview bug, please run a log server, restart your client and reproduce the bug.
Then file a bugreport as soon as possible, and the matter will be looked into with haste.
done ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:20:00 -
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u killed local,corp and alliance ( for those with it) all channels went walkies
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31i73
BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:21:00 -
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My client crashes all the time :( Like it has a 5min timer or something.. No matter if I stay in station or not, EVE won't stay up for many minutes.
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Terrante
Gallente Terrante Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:22:00 -
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Client crashes when setting up contracts
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siliconix
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:23:00 -
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You still couldn't be bothered to fix the annoying bug where camera view resets after every jump, even though it has been pointed out in EVERY patch feedback since revelations 1.0 ?
Daniel Jackson : in my opionen PVP'ers (people who fight other players) are killing this game
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SPIONKOP
Caldari Under The Edge
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: SPIONKOP on 24/04/2007 15:22:06 Edited by: SPIONKOP on 24/04/2007 15:21:08 2 of my characters on 2 machines have lost connection a couple of times but other character still running fine.
1 Character on AP just lost connetction mid warp in NOMAA other character on same machine unaffected.
Some corp mates also report some dropped connections.
Maybe its the patch, maybe its the internet.
Edit. Added this.
Its just happend again, different character, differnt region, this character was docked in station.
Space For Rent.
100mil ISK/Week.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:30:00 -
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Err....hang on....where the hell has my Salvage Drone Operation skill gone?!?!?!
I know its redundant, but i spent an afternoon getting it and trained it to level 1 so that someday I could make love to the Drone Hive Mother and rule the drone regions!!!
Seriously though chaps...What's going on?!?
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas |
I'mpromptu
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:45:00 -
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Random disconnections on this character when jumping systems, 11 jumps for destination, 3 disconnections between the jumps, seems to be instant disconnections and instant reconnection's (to the point where I log back in, and my ship is still initiating its 1,000,000KM safe spot warp away.) Doesn't seem to appear on any of my other accounts only this one. Pretty annoying, but survivable.
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Trilori
Caldari Shrugged Atlases Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:49:00 -
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2 things:
1. I didn't know there was a salvage drone skill
2. I didn't see anything about it being removed from the game in patch notes??? (or am I just blind?)
That being said, that would be cool to have salvage drones in addition to already requiring/having the salvage skills.
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:59:00 -
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I to have lost the salvage drone operation skill. ItĘs unfair to take away a skill we have trained and the isk some people spent buying it. Nothing in the patch notes about it to warn us it was getting taken out. We should get the skillpoints back we spent training it to spend on something else. Or get the skil back. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:02:00 -
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A number of exploits were resolved during the patch, but were not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. These exploit fixes have been added to the patch notes.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:05:00 -
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After finalizing a contract, no contract pops like it did in past.
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Ebedar
Gallente Primary Intelligence
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey I to have lost the salvage drone operation skill. ItĘs unfair to take away a skill we have trained and the isk some people spent buying it. Nothing in the patch notes about it to warn us it was getting taken out. We should get the skillpoints back we spent training it to spend on something else. Or get the skil back.
Agreed. I still see one for sale on Contracts, so hopefully the removal was unintentional.
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Amorpheus
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:10:00 -
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I took the time to acquire the salvage drone skill and you take it away, meanies! You realise that you now owe me a skill and the time I took training it.
Oh and I still can't seem to find that stasis drone augmentor I blueprint, can you point me in the right direction?
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MellaRinn
Exit 13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 24/04/2007 16:20:12 It seems that the Production Time (You) and Production Time fields do not display proper values (but base value instead) on BPOs of t2 components (didn't check others) regardless of the PE level and the skills of the character looking it up (PE level shows up, but you need to actualy load the BPO to a production slot to see the correct time of a production run).
EDIT: Example:
Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate Blueprint PE 24 ME 0 displays: prod time: 2minutes prod time (you): 2 minutes
on a character with Industry skill @ lv2 When the same character puts it into the production queue, it displays 2min9sec (2minutes is the base Industry 5 unresearched time for this BPO, 1min51 is what should be displayed with industry 2)
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Ka'lorn Font'a
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:21:00 -
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Really could use a fix for the overview bug right now
A couple of hundred hostiles, and no overview!
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Sjoep enLai
Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:24:00 -
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got disconnected a few times today, but apart from the jump clone timer all seems to work.
Quote from patch Notes: "Note, this change is undergoing testing: Inderdictors can be invented from Destroyers."
Did that get implemented?
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:26:00 -
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The Auto Target System T1 blueprint is missing. Which seems odd as the T2 module was changed in the 2nd to last patch notes but its impossible to get/build a T2 module. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
starfrog
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:28:00 -
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what time steeling mess!!!!!!
the update of today didn't work, because i got the message that something is wrong with my client??????
so i tryed the indall program for a second time. same message.
now i'm downloading the client again for trying the installation again.
it's my time and takes more than one our!!!!
please, release your updates when working properly, especially the installation of the updates. i don't want to pay and loose my time.
maybe i finish and quit the game very fast.
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Maric
NanoTech Development
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:29:00 -
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Problem with downloading patch.
What ever way I try (automatic, manual with download manager or without it), download stops at 2% and stay there.
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Prolixj2
Gallente Veterans Of Liberation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:35:00 -
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how long till a fix for overview, i'd expect alot of petitions due to the overview bug and not being able to tell if a hostile is near you right away
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Alirakna
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Alirakna on 24/04/2007 16:35:07
Originally by: Prolixj2 how long till a fix for overview, i'd expect alot of petitions due to the overview bug and not being able to tell if a hostile is near you right away
Sat here watching Hostiles warp in, warp out - nothing updates :/
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:39:00 -
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Quote: Dragging stacks and stacking items between containers will now stack correctly, assuming there is enough space for both stacks.
Thankyou, thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!
You have no idea how happy you're making me, good job, this was really getting annoying. Keep up the good work *thumbs up*
Or is this not the right place to express my gratitude?
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:45:00 -
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The following addition was made to the Patch Notes:
The Salvage Drone Operation skill was incorrectly added to TQ as a mission reward, and has been removed.
The Dev Team is discussing how to resolve the issue created by the untimely release of the skill to Tranquility. When a decision has been made, the community will be informed.
We apologize for the confusion resulting from the deployment and removal of the skill.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Barbarellas Daughter on 24/04/2007 16:44:23 overview bug:
i removed stargates from overview and everything was fine again
EDIT: not really :/
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Prolixj2
Gallente Veterans Of Liberation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Prolixj2 seems that if you switch to default overview and recreate the custom overview you had before and save over the old one, it works fine
try that guys
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:48:00 -
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I have a small update for you all, due to a hardware issue we have experienced a lot of node deaths. This has been temporarily fixed, meaning we shouldn't have more node deaths due to this, and we will fix the hardware next week to get rid of it once and for all. A lot of the lag you may have experienced since startup is probably due to this issue.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Prolixj2
Gallente Veterans Of Liberation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:53:00 -
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lol soon as you posted that m8, todaki area node went bye bye
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Leneerra
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:00:00 -
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there was a treat about the new skil on your forums you could at least have said there that the skill would be removed.
And you could have left it in there, it is not like there are no other skills out there that do nothing, nor have done anything ever since they were in the game (like in 2003 or 2004)
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 24/04/2007 17:07:12
I have reported a bug on more than one occasion which 'should' be under the 'Misc' heading, yet it's still not listed as a known issue. Why is it being ignored?
FOV is not being set correctly for widescreen setups. The wider your view the worse your barrel vision becomes. It's even evident at 1280x768, if you look close enough.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:20:00 -
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You should REALLY consider spending a day or so knocking a tool together, or even a feature element for on the My character pages to allow the exporting / importing of Overview settings :/ I'm not referring to UI / visual glitches, but the loss of overview settings during times where patches have trouble with existing Cache directories or where installs go badly or where people switch PC's, etc.
I know it is possible to back up the settings folders, but most of the time this results in errors in days of patches .. there's a ton more stuff in the char_* and user_*.dat files obviously but seriously, each patch it takes hours to set up a new overview setting for account.
I realise I am making it sound simple, but all that would be needed is a simple mechanism to export and import overview settings. If not for alleviating patch day/week issues :P consider it of educational value for the masses of recruits everywhere in EVE :-) Nothing fancy, just let us saveguard overview settings - which take considerable time and effort to set up per account - while staying clear from Cache & Machonet issues and glitch potentials.
It would make a difference. Otherwise, you could make people dance on the ceiling by allowing folks to do it themselves, look at how EVEmon has an impact on the communities of EVE.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
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slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:23:00 -
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major overview bug
sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt.
didnt see a ship on ioverview after jumping tried to warp and was tackled, almost died. wouldnt have happened if id seen him on ovwerview.
please fix asap.
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Jacques Arnaud
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:35:00 -
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Apart from the high number of disconnects...
I've experienced problems with info sheets. Sometimes they refuse to load. Also, for a long time my character sheet refused to display anything. This was after my last disconnect, so I'm unsure if this is directly related. Client restart seemed to take care of it. For now...
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Nicholai Thomasovich
Caldari Nex Constructi
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:36:00 -
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So, um, how do you get freight containers in space, since you can't jettison from a freighter?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:42:00 -
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Quote: * Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere.
Finally, got to test this one. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
WredStorm
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:17:00 -
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What exactly about the Salvage Drone Operation skill was considered an exploit, such that its impending removal could not have been announced days ago, rather than waiting until after the patch?
Wred ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised! |
Trilori
Caldari Shrugged Atlases Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:19:00 -
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Aside from only 2 major disconnects, I'm having problems with the market. It doesn't refresh/update correctly when I click on an item in the list bar. Click on an item and it does NOTHING.
So I figured out how to manually refresh the market, click on a tab such as details then go back to the tab you were at and it shows you. But even worse, it doesn't tell you what item you've selected it doesn't show you at the top of the market window like it used to.
WHAT is WRONG with CCP?! DONT you EVER TEST ANYTHING?! If you TESTED this, you wouldn't HAVE so many freaking problems!
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Trilori
Caldari Shrugged Atlases Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: WredStorm What exactly about the Salvage Drone Operation skill was considered an exploit, such that its impending removal could not have been announced days ago, rather than waiting until after the patch?
Wred
Seems like a conspiracy theory
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DukeJoost1
The Last Solution Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron The following addition was made to the Patch Notes:
The Salvage Drone Operation skill was incorrectly added to TQ as a mission reward, and has been removed.
The Dev Team is discussing how to resolve the issue created by the untimely release of the skill to Tranquility. When a decision has been made, the community will be informed.
We apologize for the confusion resulting from the deployment and removal of the skill.
And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ? Whats next ? Remove frigates ?
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MellaRinn
Exit 13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:27:00 -
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No issues on 3 clients running from the very moment first 10 ppl logged on after the patch today. No overview bugs, market was a little laggy initially, but that was due to 40 people logging into jita every 5 seconds. Apart form the BPO issue (not 100% sure, so someone please feel free to correct me on that one) mentioned earlier by me on the 2nd page of this thread.
Also: all the spamemrs who think implementing code onto a live server is as easy and exactly the same as applyng it on entropy or sisi or any other simulated environment should really sit quiet, because you've no idea what you're talking about
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SaIIy
Minmatar X1 Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:33:00 -
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Lots of people spent a lot of isk to get the salvage drone skilland train it, I appreciate it may have been a mistake but removing it is silly - this is the first time such a move has been made.
I think you should just put it back and if people want to waste time training it then that is up to them - it is not like they can do anyhting with it so why remove it.
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Arimus Darkhart
Caldari Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:36:00 -
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Where have the view filters for hangers/containers got to? I really liked them when introduced and now miss them.... -- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies. |
HaiMyNameIsBlindMan
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: HaiMyNameIsBlindMan on 24/04/2007 18:38:04
Originally by: Patch Notes * Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere.
CCP FTW <3
but wait, that only says in warp disrupt bubbles, not for logging-off-after-jumping frieghters in low sec
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:37:00 -
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"Gang modules are not affecting remote repair modules"
I'm at work now, but can anyone confirm for me whether this was a new bug introduced today?
Does that mean that remote shield reppers don't get the cap reduction allowance from "Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency"?
Gah, typical that I only finished the training to use this module on Sunday night!
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:46:00 -
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Are people still losing aggro after jumping? That issue is keeping freighters nearly invulnerable.
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Tramp Oline
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:53:00 -
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For all the old timers here: They didn't bother to remove big mistakes like giving away a Miner II BPO before tech II was in-game but a useless skill is a top priority item to remove.
Originally by: SaIIy Lots of people spent a lot of isk to get the salvage drone skilland train it, I appreciate it may have been a mistake but removing it is silly - this is the first time such a move has been made.
I think you should just put it back and if people want to waste time training it then that is up to them - it is not like they can do anyhting with it so why remove it.
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Karasuma Akane
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:56:00 -
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Regarding Salvage Drone Operation, I ran that entire mission chain twice so I could get two books... thankfully I didn't start training the skill!
Perhaps instead of taking it away completely like it never existed, it should have just stopped being provided as a mission reward until the proper time. That way, those who did run the mission chain/bought the skill on the market/started training it up wouldn't have been punished for their eagerness. It's not like the skill currently had any practical effects anyway, so what was the harm of leaving it for now?
Part of the fun of Eve is finding out some of these 'easter eggs', and provides a bit of excitement and anticipation for changes to come. I actually thought (at the time) the seeding of the Salvage Drone Operation book was a smart thing for CCP to have done, throwing in a little special preview for players to discover on their own instead of just being another mass-marketed NPC sold skill. -----
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mogwai
Gallente Gremlin Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tramp Oline For all the old timers here: They didn't bother to remove big mistakes like giving away a Miner II BPO before tech II was in-game but a useless skill is a top priority item to remove.
Originally by: SaIIy Lots of people spent a lot of isk to get the salvage drone skilland train it, I appreciate it may have been a mistake but removing it is silly - this is the first time such a move has been made.
I think you should just put it back and if people want to waste time training it then that is up to them - it is not like they can do anyhting with it so why remove it.
Personally i think its bleedin' disgusting the way CCP decided to remove the skill totally instead of just removing the source of the skillbook. Yes, i had started training the skill and was half way into lvl5 when i logged in to find it removed. What i find even more disgusting is the fact that the patch notes got changed AFTER they removed it! ----------------- Drones : 18 skills, 19,456,000 points |
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:14:00 -
[69]
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
As a skillcollector who payed 35M isk for the skill, i'd like to see some form of reimbursement. Give me one level in "Black Market Trading" and we'll call it even...
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Lin Dei
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:14:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Lin Dei on 24/04/2007 19:10:16
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
Just a note for the next time something like this happens: Make a public announcement about the skill stating it will be removed soon as to avoid this kind of mess. Either that or just laugh at the people who were foolish enough to buy and train something that obviously had no benefit at all.
Edit: silly typo's
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DaemonBarber
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
Seems simple enough - they knew when they were training it that it had no benefit, but if and when it came in they'd have it trained. Just give it back to them, and remove the skill book from the mission. If it never gets released, then it can be a collectors item like all of the other abandoned or removed items out there.
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DukeJoost1
The Last Solution Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: CCP kieron The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
More skills could qualify for removal due to having zero benefit in game then : Black Market Trading Mobile Refinery Operation Mobile Factory Operation CFO Training DED Connections Duplicating Genetic Engineering Austronautic Enigineering Hypernet Science Mnemonics Reverse Engineering Jury Rigging (lvl4 and 5) Tactical Shield Manipulation (lvl5)
Regards,
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Neurotic Cat
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:22:00 -
[73]
Quote: As a skillcollector who payed 35M isk for the skill, i'd like to see some form of reimbursement. Give me one level in "Black Market Trading" and we'll call it even...
I paid a fair bit more than that. Be nice to the skill *****s! We don't really hurt anything - and we provide some amusement for the rest of you.
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:35:00 -
[74]
2 of my corp mates that ive heard of so far have had corrupt cache after installing this patch, now i installed it and i get "status: unknown" and cannot log in, ive even tried deleting my cache folder and nothing helps. someone plz help me here, im on dialup and cannot download the entire client again.
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Mindblank
StarLight Inc. Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:45:00 -
[75]
This is probably just a typing error... but all interdictors have 400 calibration points listed, except the Heretic which has 200. -= Currently recruiting Swedish players =- |
Chruker
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:02:00 -
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I too lost a days worth of playing time when I ran round with rookie alts this weekend. The skill never got trained beyond the initial 1-3 skillpoints so I didn't loose many skillpoints, but I lost the book. So I can just join the request for the skill/skillbook to be returned to those that had them, and then just stop seeding them. I also got the Civilian Data Interface and the other stuff from the missions, but my objective was to get the skillbook.
And while you are at it, please seed the Graviton Physics skillbook to the market. It is the only R&D skill that is not there. Instead it is only being dropped as rare loot in a level 3 mission. ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Updated data export - Speedup IGB table rendering |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:19:00 -
[77]
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
So you are telling us that it will NEVER be implemented? EVER?
Removing the book and skill is ridiculous. It does nothing but irritate and hurt the ones that worked for the book, the ones that trained the book, the ones that sold the books AND the ones that bought the books.
Since you removed the books you have to re-imburse the time it took to run the missions. You have to re-imburse the buyers that bought a LEGITIMATE skill book. You have to give back the time, effort and lost wages to those that ran the missions and sold the books for ISK that you will probably return to the original buyers.
It isn't like this was a big secret. There was a thread on the boards for almost a week saying how to get it, who to buy it from and how much it was selling for. It isn't OUR fault if you can't pay attention to your own game.
Make it fair. Give the stupid skill back so this last weekend wasn't a waste of time for 100s of your customers and you don't create a bigger fubar of the situation. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:22:00 -
[78]
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Someone who has the Overview bug, please run a log server, restart your client and reproduce the bug.
Then file a bug report as soon as possible, and the matter will be looked into with haste.
Bug report + log server log have been submitted. or it would have been if
"500 - Internal Error
The server was unable to process your request.
Support personel has been notified, no further action is needed."
Lets hope it went through. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/infinitevalence/eve-online/RyasSig.gif
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:31:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Neurotic Cat
Quote: As a skillcollector who payed 35M isk for the skill, i'd like to see some form of reimbursement. Give me one level in "Black Market Trading" and we'll call it even...
I paid a fair bit more than that. Be nice to the skill *****s! We don't really hurt anything - and we provide some amusement for the rest of you.
I traded mine for an Assault Frigate and the Skill book. and had a second sitting in Hanger to be trained at some point.. I think it was worth 4 hours to run twice
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Vanaar
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:37:00 -
[80]
I cant log in, it says checking status....
I have reloaded EVE and still the same.
I tried reloading the patch, still nothing.
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SoulSurvivorBR
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:42:00 -
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hey guys.. i can't down the update... i start de client and he send me a message of can't download the lastest patch.. ¼¼... and all downloads of the site i can't download... what happening?... can anyone tell me something about?... i want play the game.. but i can't cuz the patch... ¼¼... Anyone can up the patch in other server?... Rapidshare, Megauplod...
thx SoulSurvivorBR
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:45:00 -
[82]
Originally by: HaiMyNameIsBlindMan Edited by: HaiMyNameIsBlindMan on 24/04/2007 18:38:04
Originally by: Patch Notes * Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere.
CCP FTW <3
but wait, that only says in warp disrupt bubbles, not for logging-off-after-jumping frieghters in low sec
Ganking is lame anyway --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it? |
Flap jak
Impulse-9
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Flap jak on 24/04/2007 20:42:53 when flying around out of station my screen has a glitch whenever i turn my camera in a certain direction.
the glitch makes my interface (EDIT actually it was everything! roids, rats, structures, gas clouds, other players ect.) disappear as if i did ctrl tab on top of that is stuttering and lag. when i move my camera back to were it was good everything is fine again.
so i'm kinda stuck looking in one direction and fighting my my overview only.
LATER: well i found it it wasnt a random spot i could be able to look at. its the sun. i cant look at the sun.
tried some basic things to see it would fix it (display settings, graphics, relogging ect.) nothing seemed to work.
anything i can do to help just ask! will do anything in my EVEly power to help progress this along to being fixed.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:49:00 -
[84]
Originally by: CCP kieron The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
Yeah ?
SO WHY NOT REMOVE OTHER ZERO-USE SKILLS SOME PILOTS HAVE WHILE YOU'RE AT IT ?
Examples: - Mobile Factory Operation - Mobile Refinery Operation - Black Market Trading - Genetic Engineering - CFO Training
To the best of my knowledge, none of those have any practical use whatsoever, so by following the same logic you have used with Salvage Drone Operation, you should remove all those too. ___
Pardon me, but just removing a skill from the game because you accidentally added it (or worse, added it TOO SOON) was the most inadequate possible course of action.
If, as you are saying, it has no use (yet)... why not simply let it be ? Just give the skill back to whoever you took it from. _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Kemal Gavilan
Caldari Cornerstone Unlimited The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:54:00 -
[85]
Autopatch still doesn't work.
No access to manually download patch file - petition filed
Anybody mirroring the latest patch file ?
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StabThigh
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:56:00 -
[86]
http://rapidshare.com/files/27742575/evepatch31081-31460.exe I know a lot of people can't get a hold of the patch so here it is. if this is a no-no, lemme know and I'll kill it.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:02:00 -
[87]
Ok Every Patch since revelations I too have had to delete Eve and download a new full client to get it to Work. Except this time It refuses to find the tranquility Server so I can't log in?
So um what's Sup?
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:10:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Mindblank This is probably just a typing error... but all interdictors have 400 calibration points listed, except the Heretic which has 200.
fixed internally to 400, thanks for pointing it out. Will get it added to known issues until we can have it fixed on TQ.
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:11:00 -
[89]
Just added to the Known Issues:
The Overseer in the Angel Extravaganza Level 3 mission does not spawn if any of the Large Collidable Structures (LCS) in the final room are destroyed before all the resident NPCs in the same room have been dispatched. This prevents completion of the mission. Dispatching all the NPCs in the room before destroying a LCS will spawn the Overseer as intended and allows for mission completion. This issue will be resolved in the very near future.
We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Arion Daishi
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:19:00 -
[90]
Since the patch, when moving or stacking items such as ammo, cans, mods, ect, the number displayed does not update.
EG: I move 1000 rounds of ammo from my station hanger to my ship, leaving 3000 in the hanger. Instead of displaying 1000 in my cargo hold and 3000 in the hanger, 4000 is shown in the hanger until I close the window.
A clean install of EVE did not fix this problem.
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Slickster
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:21:00 -
[91]
removing skills from my head now hmmmmmm this has never happened before
To be honest im not happy about the fact at all i payed lots of isk for that skill. Should i petition for that isk back, or wait and see the outcome of the dev team disussion.
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:27:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Farscape Hw on 24/04/2007 21:36:32 guys who are having problems logging in because your client cannot find the server, i just found the problem :D its something to do with my firewall on my computer, check yours to see if thats your problem as well...
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Tax'station
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:38:00 -
[93]
I have these issues on all of my accounts and on 4 different computers, ever since the last patch. I'm still getting the black screen of death when undocking from a station. I have tired clearing the cache, I've deleted my EVE folder and re-installed the client.
The Corp hanger still is stacking in single column. To fix the hanger I have to close the hanger and reopen it.
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Par'Gellen
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.24 22:04:00 -
[94]
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
That was a bad move. You should have left the skill in the game. There is no reason not to. Jump Drive Operation was in the game for YEARS before it could be used. ---
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Sangrius Kujishi
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.24 22:33:00 -
[95]
I haven't been able to login since the patch, cleared the cache, fresh reinstall, checked everything I can find... gets caught at different points, but always "connection to server lost" ... cmon guys, this is just getting to be a really bad joke :(
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.24 22:42:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Par'Gellen
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
That was a bad move. You should have left the skill in the game. There is no reason not to. Jump Drive Operation was in the game for YEARS before it could be used.
a free level 5 skill might surfice or applicable points donated to another skill
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.04.24 22:48:00 -
[97]
The overview bugs are just a gamestopper. How are we supposed to PVP without knowing what's in the area?
IMO this is the #1 most important bug in the game ATM.
Because I said so...
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Leneerra
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:26:00 -
[98]
Interdictors are t2 ships and it would be appropriate for them to have 300 (not 400) callibration like all other t2 ships
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:34:00 -
[99]
new skill sheet option added: "only show skills that i can currently train"
might cause lots of confusion: it shows i can skill thingies such as - reverse engineering (rank 4) - remote interfaces (rank 4) - mnemonics (rank 2) - hypernet science (rank 5) - gunnery interfaces (rank 4) (advanced gunnery implants...?!) - diagnostics interfaces (rank4) - duplicating (rank4) and a couple more
and that's just my science skill tree o_O
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:35:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Leneerra Interdictors are t2 ships and it would be appropriate for them to have 300 (not 400) callibration like all other t2 ships
OR, for something completely different... you could know WTF you're talking about before making a post.
All T2 ships have 400 calibration.
Because I said so...
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Pooka
Caldari United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:52:00 -
[101]
Originally by: CCP kieron The following addition was made to the Patch Notes:
The Salvage Drone Operation skill was incorrectly added to TQ as a mission reward, and has been removed.
The Dev Team is discussing how to resolve the issue created by the untimely release of the skill to Tranquility. When a decision has been made, the community will be informed.
We apologize for the confusion resulting from the deployment and removal of the skill.
I use to say CCP needs a effective and honest ETHICS department along with a true Human Resource REPS.
Plaese add a QA department also!
You added the skill books, I acquired them honestly and then you removed them. Are the honset players going to get reimburse?
PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:04:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Pooka You added the skill books, I acquired them honestly and then you removed them. Are the honset players going to get reimburse?
At no point in time have I stated the players who trained this skill are now "out of luck", only that the Devs are looking into how to resolve the issue.
As the situation stands at this time, the skill points and levels trained are not lost, the skill points and levels are still in the character's database entry. Disabling the skill removes its visibility on the character sheet and skill point totals.
If Salvage Drones are introduced into the game, the skill will be reactivated and be visible on the character sheet, in the skill point totals, on the market, etc. If Salvage Drones are taken off of the list of future features, those that trained the skill will be reimbursed in a manner equivalent to the time invested.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Alewin
Venus Research Initiative Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:10:00 -
[103]
What about the skillbooks that were in peoples possessions that disappearred? Any word on what will be done for those? Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming |
Pooka
Caldari United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:12:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Pooka on 25/04/2007 00:10:50
Thank you. All four of my characters had the skill books but had not trained them yet, will we get those books back??
All of mine were worked for honsetly, you can check the logs.
PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT
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JeanClaude DuSoir
Anqara Expeditions The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:16:00 -
[105]
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Someone who has the Overview bug, please run a log server, restart your client and reproduce the bug.
Then file a bugreport as soon as possible, and the matter will be looked into with haste.
I have filed a bug report for this problem. I have no planets, station, gates, or ships available on my overview at all. Imagine flying as if the overview was not there at all, because that's how much information I have available right now.
I have not yet tried clearing out my cache. I hope to not take that step. ----
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Slate Fistcrunch
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:18:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Are people still losing aggro after jumping? That issue is keeping freighters nearly invulnerable.
When did you not lose aggression flag after jumping? I couldn't find good info about pvp flag so I asked a GM and flag clearing when you change systems is how it works.
Anyway, in regards to the overview thing, has anyone found a solution? If you remake your overview settings, do they work correctly? Was anything added or removed from the overview settings that could cause old settings to make the client confused? I was out scouting today and couldn't call primaries cause when I switched to my pvp setting my overview went clear and wouldn't show anything (gates, etc.) even when I switched to alternative saved overview settings. Needless to say I cursed CCP a few times that hour.
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:29:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Rooker on 25/04/2007 00:32:12 Another one here for the overview bug. I don't have a drone control window either. :(
Deleted Machonet folder and tried again. No help. I'll try to figure out how to use the log server and file a bug report.
EDIT: Bug reported and logserver file attached.
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.25 01:03:00 -
[108]
Fun times. two computers on teh desktop. 1 client crashed and couldn't reconnect. The other client was fine.
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Menod Penter
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 01:10:00 -
[109]
Originally by: CCP kieron At no point in time have I stated the players who trained this skill are now "out of luck", only that the Devs are looking into how to resolve the issue.
So how about "looking into" the Snowball/Launcher nerf that happened a few patches ago when you sit down and look into this 'opps'. There were many people who lost time and ISK over that hidden nerf and never received one single ISK for stockpiles they bought an invested in.
Come on if you own up to this mistake then you better also be prepared to deal with some of the other fiascos that you guys have created.
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Reyth Jemais
Gallente Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.04.25 01:24:00 -
[110]
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Pooka You added the skill books, I acquired them honestly and then you removed them. Are the honset players going to get reimburse?
At no point in time have I stated the players who trained this skill are now "out of luck", only that the Devs are looking into how to resolve the issue.
As the situation stands at this time, the skill points and levels trained are not lost, the skill points and levels are still in the character's database entry. Disabling the skill removes its visibility on the character sheet and skill point totals.
If Salvage Drones are introduced into the game, the skill will be reactivated and be visible on the character sheet, in the skill point totals, on the market, etc. If Salvage Drones are taken off of the list of future features, those that trained the skill will be reimbursed in a manner equivalent to the time invested.
I add my voice to those concerned about the theft of the books. The fact that I was finishing a 21 day skill meant that I hadn't started training yet. That doesn't mean that I didn't take the time to earn the book. I am deeply concerned by your careful replies that only acknowledge those who started training.
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Flap jak
Impulse-9
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Posted - 2007.04.25 03:31:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Flap jak Edited by: Flap jak on 24/04/2007 20:42:53 when flying around out of station my screen has a glitch whenever i turn my camera in a certain direction.
the glitch makes my interface (EDIT actually it was everything! roids, rats, structures, gas clouds, other players ect.) disappear as if i did ctrl tab on top of that is stuttering and lag. when i move my camera back to were it was good everything is fine again.
so i'm kinda stuck looking in one direction and fighting my my overview only.
LATER: well i found it it wasnt a random spot i could be able to look at. its the sun. i cant look at the sun.
tried some basic things to see it would fix it (display settings, graphics, relogging ect.) nothing seemed to work.
anything i can do to help just ask! will do anything in my EVEly power to help progress this along to being fixed.
Well i reinstalled all my drivers, directx, adv eve settings, checked my hardware, and submitted a bug report with Log.
no change.
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Helen Baque
Gallente Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.04.25 05:42:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Arion Daishi Since the patch, when moving or stacking items such as ammo, cans, mods, ect, the number displayed does not update.
Just to clarify, this was from a patch a week or so ago, the one that added the dropdowns to the windows. The full-sized icon view does not seem to have this issue, only the small icons and the list. A slightly better workaround is just changing the view, you don't need to close and re-open the window.
EVE actually gets more compelling with those full sized icons. The list is more functional but the large icons are really cool. :-)
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Mad Ilya
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:31:00 -
[113]
Nice useful changes there, with the BPs, wars and skill sheet.
Could we have just one more filter in skill sheet, "Show skills that are not maxed", that would list only the skills that aren't at level 5. That'd be great.
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Ane Linq
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:59:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Where have the view filters for hangers/containers got to? I really liked them when introduced and now miss them....
Do anyone know ? I can't see anything about in the patch notes and i don't see why it's gone
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Aeryn Davenport
Claflin Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.25 07:38:00 -
[115]
Uh, don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but as far as I can tell every Player Built Manufacturing Outpost just gained an extra 10 slots that show up as a separate batch as if they were at a separate station. Did one of you slackers slip Kali 2.0 code into this patch? You guys really have to quit doing that.
Also, did Player Conquerable Manufacturing Outposts always have 50 slots?
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Lazarann
Caldari Ideal Machine THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.04.25 07:44:00 -
[116]
I've been booted out of Eve four times since the patch this morning, once after surveying a dozen moons before I had a chance to write down the results I wasn't able to reconnect for at least a minute on some. I'm not sure about the last one, I just gave up.
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Bacabachaui
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 07:53:00 -
[117]
I submitted a bug report as follows (only posting here in case someone else is having the same problem with the EVDO usb connection)
"I am using a Sprint EVDO USB wireless connection (broadband connection over the Sprint PCS network)
I was able to connect to Eve no problem before the patch. After the patch, when I first opened the client I would get the server status "x number of players", etc) but as I would login, the client would take an exceedingly long time to finish loading "Acquiring Bulk Data" then disconnect with the error message "Connection to server lost". At the exact same time this would happen, I would hear the tell tell beep tone in Windows indicating that the EVDO USB had disconected and my entire connection to the internet overall would end. This would only happen with Eve and no other program.
I reinstalled the EVDO USB card software and drivers and it still did the same thing. Then I downloaded the latest Eve client and reinstalled that, and still the same thing.
So then I disabled my (Norton) firewall, and I was able to login and play some. But not wanting to play without a firewall I removed my firewall Eve settings, then connected again forcing the firewall program to prompt me for allowing connection. This seemed to work for a while until I logged into my second account and for some strange reason, Norton firewall asked me if it should allow Eve to connect even though I already set permissions last time.
I approved it, but since then, about 5 minutes into the game, the client loses connection with the error message "Connection to server lost" and again at the exact same time I would hear the beep tone in Windows indicating that the EVDO USB had disconected and my connection to the internet overall would end. In some cases my whole computer would freeze and need a hard reboot. So I disabled my firewall entirely but it still disconnected and dropped my net connection (with the usb disconnection beeps) about 2-3 minutes into the game.
Again, this only happens with Eve and only since the patch, and I can do all other web activities. My guess is that Eve is doing something to force my USB connection to the net to drop. It is somehow related to the firewall since before I disabled it I could not get past "Acquiring bulk data" but after I could actually play a few min, and it seems that loggin into my second account triggered something too."
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2007.04.25 08:41:00 -
[118]
Regarding the overview problem, if you either recreate your overview settings and save over the current stored version, it appears to resolve the issue. Alternatively, you can try clearing your cache (yes all of it). There have been reports of the issue returning after a while though. We are still working on finding a full fix for this situation.
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Zee Webbose
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.25 08:52:00 -
[119]
I would like to know where my salvage drone operations skillbooks have gone? I spent a lot of time acquiring multiple copies of these skill books and I was yet to train it. Now all the books have been deleted, I have nothing to show for a few nights work. If salvage drones are seeded will I see something to recompensate me? Will I get my books back?
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Dorian Deveraux
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Posted - 2007.04.25 08:55:00 -
[120]
All day long I've been thinking "I know I've forgotten something." and thanks to this thread I now know what it was.
Originally by: CCP kieron If Salvage Drones are taken off of the list of future features, those that trained the skill will be reimbursed in a manner equivalent to the time invested.
Would it be feasible in that scenario for those of us whom have trained the skill to be contacted and given the choice of where to direct an equivalent reimbursement within our mental portfolio?
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Minutor Raptor
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:22:00 -
[121]
constant connection drops on 4 different cable modems & pc's, really annoying when your half way through a mission, and even moreso when your half way through a pvp and warp locked - this needs fixing
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foehammer mk2
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:35:00 -
[122]
anyone having problems updating the client? I've mirrored the patch (Hope this is ok)
You can get it Here: http://www.combat-evolved.org.uk/showthread.php?p=261#post261
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.25 10:48:00 -
[123]
Regarding the Salvage Drone Operation skill being deactivated and not viewable due to the fuctionality not being in the game:
I'm not too upset about this since I knew the skill was 'useless' at this time, HOWEVER...it seems a rather inconsistant approach CCP has to this, and that is what I'm finding misleading and now slightly aggreivating.
As has been mentioned, there are LOTS of other skills that are 'useless', some of which I've also trained like Mobile Refinery Operation and Starbase Tactical Officer...
These skills I never knew where useless at the time I trained them and I've only since found out.
Anyway - my beef is now if it is THAT easy to remove/deactivate these skills until the functionality is implemented then why have you not done so with ALL these 'useless' skills to provide a consistent and 'new player friendly' approach to training skills.
I'm sorry, but its not the players fault that you are half-implementing things to TQ. Please be consistent and stop expecting players to determine the useful from the 'useless' functionality available by investing their time.
(For example - for a while I wanted to be a smuggler with Black market trading/snake implants etc etc, only to discover later that this wasn't viable as Black Market Trading doesn't work!)
Please look into this - Thanks, Vyk.
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Vladic Ka
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:25:00 -
[124]
Originally by: foehammer mk2 anyone having problems updating the client? I've mirrored the patch (Hope this is ok)
You can get it Here: http://www.combat-evolved.org.uk/showthread.php?p=261#post261
I would not go near that link, Mr one post wonder.
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foehammer mk2
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:56:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: foehammer mk2 anyone having problems updating the client? I've mirrored the patch (Hope this is ok)
You can get it Here: http://www.combat-evolved.org.uk/showthread.php?p=261#post261
I would not go near that link, Mr one post wonder.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion - however - maybe more people would post if it wasn't for attitudes such as your own, ask youself one question, maybe a character is new to the game, maybe thats why they aint got many posts - Sort yourself out.
For your information, I am an administrator and super moderator on several successfull sites/forums.
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:58:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider new skill sheet option added: "only show skills that i can currently train"
might cause lots of confusion: it shows i can skill thingies such as - reverse engineering (rank 4) - remote interfaces (rank 4) - mnemonics (rank 2) - hypernet science (rank 5) - gunnery interfaces (rank 4) (advanced gunnery implants...?!) - diagnostics interfaces (rank4) - duplicating (rank4) and a couple more
and that's just my science skill tree o_O
As I petitioned this to get this added and make the other option more clear Im glad its there and I'm not quite sure what your problem with it is ? If you brought those skills, you could train them correct ? ______________________________
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rushin
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:26:00 -
[127]
Adding my voice to the Salvage Drone fiasco. I had spent many hours acquiring 2 books, not from an exploit, but travelling a large distance, working through long missions and then travelling back to my normal hang out. I had one on contracts with a few hours to go and 24 million bid, the other in a hanger. I am a new player, I was under the impression that the money from the auction was guaranteed and had spent my savings because I knew this was coming into my wallet.
Now I find the contract removed, my skill book removed, and a GM credit in wallet for 144,000 ISK(!!), an entire days play wasted, me at least 23.8 million out of pocket and now very poor. That is seriously unacceptable.
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Harisdrop
Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:49:00 -
[128]
I say you make the skillbook for Salvage drone worth what other skillbooks for drones are worth.
THe skillpoints that anyone that trained it still have it soo no lose there.
Thanks for an easy patch day. Its wonderful to login and have no problems.
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Sieges
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:11:00 -
[129]
Originally by: CCP kieron The following addition was made to the Patch Notes:
The Salvage Drone Operation skill was incorrectly added to TQ as a mission reward, and has been removed.
The Dev Team is discussing how to resolve the issue created by the untimely release of the skill to Tranquility. When a decision has been made, the community will be informed.
We apologize for the confusion resulting from the deployment and removal of the skill.
I guess that makes me feel a little better.
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:21:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 15:18:06
I think it is excellent that Salvage Drone skill has been removed. No longer will we have to put up with people stockpiling these books by creating endless new characters to run the tutorial mission that produced the book as a reward, and then selling the book in local channels for stupidly large sums of ISK.
I hope that the people who did this are NOT compensated.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:26:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Missy X Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 15:18:06
I think it is excellent that Salvage Drone skill has been removed. No longer will we have to put up with people stockpiling these books by creating endless new characters to run the tutorial mission that produced the book as a reward, and then selling the book in local channels for stupidly large sums of ISK.
I hope that the people who did this are NOT compensated.
And what exactly kept you from running the mission and getting them?
Simply, I would be willing to bet that there were many players that ran the missions to get the skills for their own characters and not near as many "selling" the books. The information was there on how to get them, posted on these forums, its not the players' faults that some people are too lazy to run them themselves or that CCP screwed up.
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On a more positive note on the patch, I've noticed that running 2 accounts at once on my laptop is smoother. Anyone else see this? <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:47:00 -
[132]
Cormack's Modified Reactor Control unit still incorrectly shows a powergrid bonus of 15% insted of 18.6% or 20%. Even basic faction Reactor control units give more than this bonus (e.g Dark blood/True ansha give 15.5%). It has been bug reported months ago, but would appriciate knowing if this is a bug that is likely to be fixed next patch. --
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.25 16:00:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 16:09:36
Quote: And what exactly kept you from running the mission and getting them?
I did not want the book anyway. I never said that I did. But that is not the point.
The point is, many who had the book were metagaming to get multiple copies of it, and then profiteering from that. This may not be illegal but it's certainly outside the spirit in which an RPG should be played. I venture to guess that perhaps this is why CCP removed the book and the skill completely, rather than let it sit there until Salvage Drones were implemented at a later date. If so, I believe that they absolutely made the correct decision.
I dislike people who look at EVE only as an exercise in squeezing every last drop of ISK out of the game, regardless of the cost in terms of immersion, atmosphere and credibility. Which seems to be many of you. Therefore, I hope that CCP does not compensate anyone who was using the skill book to specifically participate in this kind of metagaming scam.
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MellaRinn
Exit 13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.25 18:24:00 -
[134]
Edited by: MellaRinn on 25/04/2007 18:20:18 started experiencing weird market behaviour in Lonetrek. You directly buy an item and instead of it appearing in your hangar, you don't get your money deduced and an "expired" buy order is placed on the market for the item you were buying.
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Karasuma Akane
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 18:37:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Karasuma Akane on 25/04/2007 18:34:25
Originally by: Missy X Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 15:18:06and then selling the book in local channels for stupidly large sums of ISK.
Was anyone forcing players to buy the books for 'stupidly largs sums of isk'? (Sounds like the supply & demand aspects of the market were working in this case.) Personally, as a drone-using Gallantean who spends quite some time salvaging, I put in the time to get two books to train for myself and a friend - not for sale. I had thoughts of a lowsec salvage Vexor...
Although I'd be a bit disappointed, if CCP is reimbursing players for the books stolen from hangars (as alluded to by Rushin's experience) for the same amount the books will cost in the future (144k isk?), that may be acceptable. (Hmmm nothing new in my wallet yet though.)
It's not as fun as knowing (for a newer player) that you finally own something 'rare' in game, at least for a little while. I actually like the idea as a game mechanic (as stated in my earlier post) that some new skills only be 'discovered' through in-game player activity (missions/exploration/research) and managed through market mechanisms when first introduced (and only for a limited time - perhaps for one or two weeks), instead of having 833 NPC copies suddenly available at every single school station. (BO-RING.) Those players who feel they need or want the new skill two weeks before everyone else will either do the tasks themselves or pay what they think is an appropriate market price to those who put in the effort to obtain the books.
It's even a little role-playish to think that some salvager out there on their own hacked the hardware and coded the software of their regular drones to where they were able to salvage, and then shared the information/knowledge with one of their agents, and that's how the skills leaked out. -----
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Jesters Knight
Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.04.25 23:28:00 -
[136]
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
So your are saying that removing that one that was useless was ok, but having even more useless skills that dont even allow you to train tehm is ok?
you make me sick.
you shoudl give back the books and points to the people who invested for them, otherwise that makes you nothign more than a thief.
but, from teh BOB incident it looks like the whoe dev team may be nothing more than a group of thieves running a pyramid scheme tryign to get money.
"bob blew up a titan!!" (what the suckers dont know is that the dread fleet was really a bunch of macros, running on a server farm in CCP's basement) P.S. no offence to bob intended, you guys did great (assuming you exsist) Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
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Lazarann
Caldari Ideal Machine THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.04.26 04:17:00 -
[137]
10 disconnects today, taking up to at least 20 minutes to log back in sometimes. Nice changes in the patch, but that just sucks
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Yasumoto
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Posted - 2007.04.26 04:44:00 -
[138]
CCP: @ about 3:30 - 4:30 gmt April 26, 2007, my client suddenly dropped its connection with the server several times. Additionally, the market where I was located served up a small dialog box stating that it was closed due to "insider trading." I can live with a market being closed for a while, but the server - client connection drops were just intolerable.
And now I can't even fully enter the game. Specifically, I'll launch the EvE client and get the point where I can choose my primary character to play. After clicking the character's "toon" I am then presented with the 'entering such and such a system' with a never-moving status bar.
If this stuff is due to the hardware failure, then please pick up the pace on that fix.
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PhamNuwen
Caldari Bungee Jumper
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Posted - 2007.04.26 05:35:00 -
[139]
Edited by: PhamNuwen on 26/04/2007 05:31:45
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Pooka You added the skill books, I acquired them honestly and then you removed them. Are the honset players going to get reimburse?
At no point in time have I stated the players who trained this skill are now "out of luck", only that the Devs are looking into how to resolve the issue.
As the situation stands at this time, the skill points and levels trained are not lost, the skill points and levels are still in the character's database entry. Disabling the skill removes its visibility on the character sheet and skill point totals.
If Salvage Drones are introduced into the game, the skill will be reactivated and be visible on the character sheet, in the skill point totals, on the market, etc. If Salvage Drones are taken off of the list of future features, those that trained the skill will be reimbursed in a manner equivalent to the time invested.
Because the server is down, if have to write a
<Forum-Petition>
Please do it also for all other useless skills
</Forum-Petition>
___ maybe the skill was accidently farmed/trained by BoD - so we get a reimbursement for this skill ---
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Marcus TheDealer
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Posted - 2007.04.26 05:45:00 -
[140]
Sad that the CCP posts in this thread only discuss about the training of the Salvage Drone skill and nothing about the skill book being taken. How does one go about proving they had one when it looks like CCP did a whilly-nilly mass delete? Pretty bad strategy to delete the books when all they had to do was turn off the skill and then discuss with the public what was going on. Rather have the book in my possession and not able to skill train it then to have it deleted. What about the people that were currently training it and have not logged in since? Their going to be mighty upset that you have wasted their time and for obvious reasons, there is no way you will compensate them for the lost skill training time after the date and time you pulled the skill. <<shakes head>>
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.04.26 07:07:00 -
[141]
Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Roemy Schneider new skill sheet option added: "only show skills that i can currently train"
might cause lots of confusion: it shows i can skill thingies such as - reverse engineering (rank 4) - remote interfaces (rank 4) - mnemonics (rank 2) - hypernet science (rank 5) - gunnery interfaces (rank 4) (advanced gunnery implants...?!) - diagnostics interfaces (rank4) - duplicating (rank4) and a couple more
and that's just my science skill tree o_O
As I petitioned this to get this added and make the other option more clear Im glad its there and I'm not quite sure what your problem with it is ? If you brought those skills, you could train them correct ?
nah, that's not the point. the option itself is great \o/ - just that those skills are either left-overs from previous experiments (reverse engineering became invention along the process, i believe) or those advanced implant skills (the stuff with interface in the name) which can still be regarded (distant) future
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Tar Magen
Amarr Arx Amarria
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Posted - 2007.04.26 07:17:00 -
[142]
In any case, the appearance of the salvage drone operation skill has put a spotlight on the fact that many EVE players would dearly love to have salvage drones.
And where is the harm, after all? It wouldn't unbalance the game if they were introduced.
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Calamity Jali
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Posted - 2007.04.26 10:26:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Calamity Jali on 26/04/2007 10:27:02 I noticed they fixed a warp to 0 autopilot thing I was using to travel, Hee now I stop 15 KM from the gate again!
Nice job though
Wish I had had the Salvage drones skill or even thought it was there, I have read about it in one of the stories and still want to know if its possible to invent such a drone!
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:21:00 -
[144]
Quote: Was anyone forcing players to buy the books for 'stupidly largs sums of isk'?
Of course not. And I certainly do not suggest that the fools who purchased these books off other players be compensated. I just dislike EVE's current culture of "oh, a loophole, let's exploit the hell out of it any way we possibly can", and the fact that these people are now crying about the skill being removed gives me great pleasure.
Quote: It's even a little role-playish to think that some salvager out there on their own hacked the hardware and coded the software of their regular drones to where they were able to salvage, and then shared the information/knowledge with one of their agents, and that's how the skills leaked out.
It's also more than a little metagamey. The metagaming aspect tends to kill off any RP potential. The very worst RPers are always the ones who only ever want to RP things that are to their material advantage.
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Staggler
Caldari Einstein a go go
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:29:00 -
[145]
A number of times, I've right clicked missile launchers and done a Reload All.... it "sometimes", never seems to complete, and the launchers just flash like they are reloading for upwards of a minute, before I fix them myself, by reloading each individual launcher.
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Poht
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:29:00 -
[146]
I got 3 or 4 offers on that skill, from ppl that had noticed that it was given out by noob agents and wanted to profit on that!
I desided not to buy because I knew the drones weren't ingame and no dev blog or patch note mentioned the release of those drones in the near future.
Please ppl, stop and think before buying a skillbook that is not giving u any bonus.
EVE has probably got more code then Vista and mistakes will happen!
Train EW drones instead
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:35:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Missy X
Quote: Was anyone forcing players to buy the books for 'stupidly largs sums of isk'?
Of course not. And I certainly do not suggest that the fools who purchased these books off other players be compensated. I just dislike EVE's current culture of "oh, a loophole, let's exploit the hell out of it any way we possibly can", and the fact that these people are now crying about the skill being removed gives me great pleasure.
Quote: It's even a little role-playish to think that some salvager out there on their own hacked the hardware and coded the software of their regular drones to where they were able to salvage, and then shared the information/knowledge with one of their agents, and that's how the skills leaked out.
It's also more than a little metagamey. The metagaming aspect tends to kill off any RP potential. The very worst RPers are always the ones who only ever want to RP things that are to their material advantage.
Please define your definition of a loophole?
There was a thread in the skills forums Linkage that was all about this skill, and how to aquire it. This was posted on the 10th of April, patch was deployed on the 24th. Two full weeks for Devs to make a reply to that thread, and warn it was a mistake and will be taken away.
How is a legitimate mission reward a 'loophole'? Just because it didn't have any current use, just like 'Jump Drive Operation'? People still bought and trained that up.
Miserable arguements for the removing of the skill in this thread. Absoultely misreable!
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:54:00 -
[148]
The loophole is not in the acquiring of skillbook but in the process of:
1. Start new char 2. Do mission x 3. Get book 4. Transfer book to alt char to sell 5. Delete new char 6. Goto 1
This process, while not 'illegal', is certainly 'lame'. It is not playing an RPG in the spirit in which it is intended. I am quite certain that CCP do not want people to play in this manner.
I love that CCP have removed the book. It makes me happy. When lame idiot players get what they deserve and have to suck it up or leave, this puts a smile on my face. It is true that some good players are sadly also hurt by this but CCP will compensate them.
For me, 1.4.2. patch was all about removing lameness from EVE, in many respects. CCP have the courage to proactively fight lameness and are the best game company in the world. I was wavering before but I will subscribe to this game for as long as possible now. Yes.
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TheSprite
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:13:00 -
[149]
was just wondering if you knew about the problem with POS hanger arrays...
when boarding a stored vessel sometimes the powergrid doesnt show up and also when boarding a ship .. the nametag is not visible.... it just says the name of the corp that the ship belongs to... you have to re-eject and reboard the vessel for this to correct itself...
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SebieV
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:44:00 -
[150]
Edited by: SebieV on 26/04/2007 12:48:08 I run the missions with al my acounts to get the books (Salvage Drone Operation) they all trained the skill then i found out i coult run the mission again with the same character (all mains no alts where involved) so i desided to run the mission serveral times more and sell the book for a huble price of 20 mill on the market wile the prices i saw where about 50 to 100 mill (way to high i ques) my trust in to getting something in the game is lowdown this is the second time i see a skill book get changed or removed (this time) i see getting the skill and selling it no other then getting a skill like Military Connections what i allready have i dont find it an exploid or something like that... but i feel quilty to the ones i sold it to becouse of the way ccp removed it i do honest busniss and help other players out with the game.... this way my trust in me from other people is being dameged... then i try to look who by the book from my main charcters but i cannot find it so even if i want to return the isk to them i can not ..... so that would be a good idear to let it show up in the wallet who bought something thru contracts if some one dont want to reveal its name it allways good use an alt....
in other words ccp what skill is next that you remove ??? what items are you gonig to remove or tweak ??? the game is hard as it is ... if i have to wurry about everything i buy that it will be changed i don't like to play at all ...
exaple when i buy a car the next morning its not a bike ... when i buy a TV the next morning its not a radio !
when i work for money the day that i have to get money its not that i get appels !!!
when i get a skill in my list and i trained it then it should not be removed !!
when you guys think eve is just a game you mistaken its in your live you check your sell orders as soon as posible you train your skills and try to not lose time you sometimes wait going to bed or give atention to someone else in real life becouse you need to dock or need to change a skill eve is in your system its part of your life
i love eve to bad she hurts too........
posting with my alt sorry if i hide.....
edited left something out...
Missy X you did not need to make a new charter even yesterday i can still fly that mission with my main charcter so its not lame....
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Alora Ra'el
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Posted - 2007.04.26 14:01:00 -
[151]
So i hate to kick a dead horse, but were the privies really that bad that they deserved their own private nerf? This game is by nature PVP oriented. I know, it has missions, but, in the games current setting, we're all in the same place, and at any time you can be forced to pvp. So my question is, was it REALLY so bad? Or were some alliances with clout tired of being targeted by that organization. The ridiculousness of ONE alliance getting top billing for a WHOLE patch speaks for itself. So there were pirates. Big deal. They found a way to work the system, huzah for them. Yet nobody took the time to come up with a counter to them, perhaps a game wide treaty, or some such, using existing game mechanics, to deal with what some saw as a menace. Instead cries of "unfair" finally reached the heavens, and a nerf came down just for them. Sad really. I've played just about every MMO out there, and was astonishingly refreshed at this one...but if this continues....i don't really see any other choice. Corrupt policies can be overlooked, but punishing creativity cannot/
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Alora Ra'el
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Posted - 2007.04.26 14:04:00 -
[152]
So i hate to kick a dead horse, but were the privies really that bad that they deserved their own private nerf? This game is by nature PVP oriented. I know, it has missions, but, in the games current setting, we're all in the same place, and at any time you can be forced to pvp. So my question is, was it REALLY so bad? Or were some alliances with clout tired of being targeted by that organization. The ridiculousness of ONE alliance getting top billing for a WHOLE patch speaks for itself. So there were pirates. Big deal. They found a way to work the system, huzah for them. Yet nobody took the time to come up with a counter to them, perhaps a game wide treaty, or some such, using existing game mechanics, to deal with what some saw as a menace. Instead cries of "unfair" finally reached the heavens, and a nerf came down just for them. Sad really. I've played just about every MMO out there, and was astonishingly refreshed at this one...but if this continues....i don't really see any other choice. Corrupt policies can be overlooked, but punishing creativity cannot. I've even seen that accounts have been banned for speaking against the developers. Thats amazing, I thought absolutist dictators had the market cornered on that, and never expected to see it in my favorite GAME...lets all remember that it is in fact a game.
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Alora Ra'el
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Posted - 2007.04.26 14:05:00 -
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and for some reason, this posted twice, missing part of what i wrote. sorry for the extra space i absorbed, though i've no idea why it happened
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mogwai
Gallente Gremlin Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.26 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: mogwai on 26/04/2007 15:22:20
Originally by: Missy X The loophole is not in the acquiring of skillbook but in the process of:
1. Start new char 2. Do mission x 3. Get book 4. Transfer book to alt char to sell 5. Delete new char 6. Goto 1
Get your facts straight b4 you post
you could run the same mission several times over with the same character, i personally did it. and before you start whining about it being lame, profiteering, blah, blah, rabble, rabble.... i sold 2 books to make back the isk i could have been earning doing lvl4 missions and GAVE AWAY 4 more to friends and some random guy in Jita who asked if he could have one.
As a drone skill collector, this skill was the final addition to the other 18 at lvl5 and believe it or not... i couldnt give a **** if it had no use ingame or not. ----------------- Drones : 18 skills, 19,456,000 points |
Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.26 16:36:00 -
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Okay, okay, so maybe you can run them with the same character. So what. Does not matter. Original point stands. Not in the spirit of the game. Yes, you could DO it. But just because you CAN do something, and that there is ISK in it, doesn't mean that you SHOULD. I know this is a hard concept for today's "x hours of my time shoud equal x amount of material gain in the game, or I'm not getting my value for money" gamers to understand.
This thread shows clearly, if nothing else, that so many transactions of these useless skill books have taken place, and it has become such a can of worms to work out who profiteered from what, and who was disadvantaged by what, that the best course of action would simply be to compensate no-one and wipe the slate clean. Don't you think?
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WredStorm
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.04.26 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: WredStorm on 26/04/2007 18:09:51
Originally by: Missy X Okay, okay, so maybe you can run them with the same character. So what. Does not matter. Original point stands. Not in the spirit of the game. Yes, you could DO it. But just because you CAN do something, and that there is ISK in it, doesn't mean that you SHOULD. I know this is a hard concept for today's "x hours of my time shoud equal x amount of material gain in the game, or I'm not getting my value for money" gamers to understand.
This thread shows clearly, if nothing else, that so many transactions of these useless skill books have taken place, and it has become such a can of worms to work out who profiteered from what, and who was disadvantaged by what, that the best course of action would simply be to compensate no-one and wipe the slate clean. Don't you think?
So, what exactly was not in the spirit of the game? There was a post in the forums explaining how to do this, yet no dev or CCP representative posted in that thread to indicate any part of following its directions was considered "not in the spirit of what was intended".
Obviously CCP found out at some time or another that the book was now available, and how, and after deciding that it was a mistake they did not take any action to notify folks about their mistake and ask people to stop using the method to acquire the book. If you want to point at something "lame", how about pointing at CCP's handling of this affair? It would have taken them what, 30 seconds, to post something on the forums or in the thread discussing how to get the book to the effect of "That skill wasn't intended to be released and it will be removed from everyone on the 1.4.2 patch". There, 30 seconds work, let's everyone know not to bother with the book anymore. Its not like there was something you could exploit if they'd told everyone about it and posted it in the patch notes *before* the patch took place.
So again, what was not in the spirit of the game? You could get the book via quest sequence that was in the game. The existance of the quest sequence was not some "hush-hush" secret that a few people were trying to keep quiet in order to exploit... it was publicly posted and up for quite a while. You didn't have to do anything unusual as part of the entire sequence in order to acquire multiple copies of the book... and you actually acuired multiple copies of other skill books (some worth 1/2 million each) in the process... so its not like that one skillbook stood out as some sort of unique reward in comparison to everything else you got doing the entire quest series. The only unique thing about it was that it wasn't a skill that we can buy on the market yet. Sorry, that doesn't qualify in my books as "against the spirit" of anything... there are other skills that are not available on the open market and have to be acquired via other methods (e.g.: gas harvesting, etc.) so this just seemed like another one of those skills.
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Dikat
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Posted - 2007.04.26 20:04:00 -
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Salvage drones....me love you long time. If they also loot for you as well as salvage then I REALLY love you long time... This would even the playing field for all non-dominix flying pilots as all the BS that require their high slots filled with noisy guns and missile launchers can now salvage and loot with the same ease as the Dominix with it's abundance of available and unused high slots (barring NOS and the occasional gun user).
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Dikat
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Posted - 2007.04.26 20:05:00 -
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BTW I gathered they don't exist yet. I'm just happy the idea is floating around.
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Aeryn Davenport
Claflin Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Ra'el So i hate to kick a dead horse, but were the privies really that bad that they deserved their own private nerf? This game is by nature PVP oriented. I know, it has missions, but, in the games current setting, we're all in the same place, and at any time you can be forced to pvp. So my question is, was it REALLY so bad? Or were some alliances with clout tired of being targeted by that organization. The ridiculousness of ONE alliance getting top billing for a WHOLE patch speaks for itself. So there were pirates. Big deal. They found a way to work the system, huzah for them. Yet nobody took the time to come up with a counter to them, perhaps a game wide treaty, or some such, using existing game mechanics, to deal with what some saw as a menace. Instead cries of "unfair" finally reached the heavens, and a nerf came down just for them. Sad really. I've played just about every MMO out there, and was astonishingly refreshed at this one...but if this continues....i don't really see any other choice. Corrupt policies can be overlooked, but punishing creativity cannot/
First, it's not a private nerf because the same rules apply to all alliances. Just because one particular alliance was utilizing the mechanic that was nerfed does not mean it was a "private" nerf. Your argument suggests that as long as its only one alliance using a particular mechanic then it should not be changed. Complexes in BoB/Fix space were turned off because they were respawning too quickly, just because BoB/Fix are the alliances utilizing them does not mean that it was a private nerf against them.
Additionally, why are people surprised that EVE is a dictatorship? Its a video game owned by a private company. Of course its a dictatorship. All private companies are "dictatorhsips." I guess people get lost in the game and start believing its a real civilization or real country. Guess what? Its not. In that regard, CCP sets the rules about how things are going to work. Privateers used a game mechanic to get around CONCORD in secure space. CCP did not like that utilization of the war dec mechanic, so it changed the rules. CCP is constantly changing the rules, all the time. People are just whining now because this particular change has gotten a lot of attention. Yes, EVE is a PvP game, but its not a free-for-all PvP game, and that's what the Privateers wanted and were utilizing the war decs for. They were quite intentionally wardeccing the top alliances so that they could have the highest number of pvp targets possible in secure Empire.
Just because people are paying customers doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. If you go into a store and break the rules you will get thrown out. At least in EVE they can just change the mechanics to prevent it, instead of booting people from the game. The banning thing happens when players intentionally and repeatedly break the rules in regards to discussing certain issues that they've been clearly told are off limits. If you think those people weren't repeatedly warned you are wrong. And yes, sorry to break it to you, but there's no free speech here.
And as for creativity, all exploits are creative. Anytime people figure out how to use mechanics in a way that was not intended it is creative. That doesn't mean CCP should allow it. Jetting cannisters full of bookmarks to create lag is creative, but its still a bannable offense. Obviously there's disagreement over whether a mechanic should be allowed or not. But that's a completely relative argument, there's objective answer. Just because there are arguments for allowing a mechanic doesn't mean CCP has to agree.
Again, if you don't like the rules, don't play the game. You don't have a right to play EVE.
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Pooka
Caldari United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.04.27 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Pooka You added the skill books, I acquired them honestly and then you removed them. Are the honset players going to get reimburse?
At no point in time have I stated the players who trained this skill are now "out of luck", only that the Devs are looking into how to resolve the issue.
As the situation stands at this time, the skill points and levels trained are not lost, the skill points and levels are still in the character's database entry. Disabling the skill removes its visibility on the character sheet and skill point totals.
If Salvage Drones are introduced into the game, the skill will be reactivated and be visible on the character sheet, in the skill point totals, on the market, etc. If Salvage Drones are taken off of the list of future features, those that trained the skill will be reimbursed in a manner equivalent to the time invested.
So?? Are you going to answer us on the skill books beening replace for the ones that had not trained the skill yet? Lots of other players have asked you the same question. Wait much longer and then you will say that there is no way to know who had the skill books.
PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT Walk the Walk and Talk the Talk |
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Jorak Falconstar
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.27 02:14:00 -
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It seems that not all the books were removed.
I know of at least one person who still has the untrained book sitting in thier hangar, while the copy i got for myself which was stored in a can has been removed.
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Pooka
Caldari United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.04.27 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pooka on 27/04/2007 02:39:51
As has been said before there are a lot of usless skills. They should of just left them, Salvage Drone skill books, in the game.
I didn't whine when they change the requirements, Gravition Phyicis 1, for tractor beams after I trained all my guys or when CCP said the cost of the prints were going to be 8 million istead of 81,000 and then left them at 81,000. Yes I bought 10 copys of the BPO so I could resell them at 8 million. LOL But I didn't whime about it.
But I sure am getting ****ed at the constant screw ups and changeing the game in mid stream because of CCP .... mistakes and poor QA! Like saying the Xmas presents were on the way or when CCP was caught cheating or ............
PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT Walk the Walk and Talk the Talk |
Vinni
Caldari Aveatcay Emptorway
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Posted - 2007.04.27 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: 31i73 My client crashes all the time :( Like it has a 5min timer or something.. No matter if I stay in station or not, EVE won't stay up for many minutes.
I second this Vinni [AvEm] Minister of Central Services |
Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.04.27 09:07:00 -
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The jump clone timer mentioned in the patch notes does not work. The jump clone page only contains the string "ui_shared_lastclonejumpago" where the timer should probably be.
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Lenny Lunchmeat
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Posted - 2007.04.28 14:46:00 -
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Salvage drone operations skill books are back and if you trained it. its showing up in the char skill list now, thank you ccp
Now the question I had from the start when I made the orginal post is when can we expect to see the salvage drones and books in the market.
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Sieges
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Posted - 2007.04.28 16:57:00 -
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I got my Salvage Drone skill book back
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Karasuma Akane
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:47:00 -
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My Salvage Drone Operation skillbooks were returned also. Thank you! -----
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WhitePhantom
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:52:00 -
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To anyone that thinks it was wrong to do the mission several times, to get the skillbook, just keep this in mind.
If Salvage Drones were seeded on 1.4.2 we would have had been on the fore front of selling skillbooks for a new item, and nobody would have had issues with it. Just because it was a mistake, and perhaps to easy, and people paid an arm and a leg for the skillbook is not our fault.
All I can say is the difference between somebody with alot of isk, and some isk, is somebody who can see the chance to make money. Thats exactly what I did with the items required to finish that mission and by placing skillbooks on the contract system.
I did nothing wrong, I expected them to appear in the patch notes, and felt bad when they were removed. Clearly I will wait to sell the books again, till the drones are released, and this is only because I won't take advantage of a situtation more then once.
Besides I already sold the skillbooks, I don't need the money thanks to skill collectors.
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Femintaki
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.29 05:25:00 -
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salvage drone skills are back on peoples skill sheets and it seems skillbooks are returned where already acquired.
So- train a useless skill if you wish, anyone else just ignore it, not gonna harm you anyway.
Love n stuff Fem
Quote: Do or do not - there is no try!
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M4sterm1nd
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Ra'el So i hate to kick a dead horse, but were the privies really that bad that they deserved their own private nerf? This game is by nature PVP oriented. I know, it has missions, but, in the games current setting, we're all in the same place, and at any time you can be forced to pvp. So my question is, was it REALLY so bad? Or were some alliances with clout tired of being targeted by that organization. The ridiculousness of ONE alliance getting top billing for a WHOLE patch speaks for itself. So there were pirates. Big deal. They found a way to work the system, huzah for them. Yet nobody took the time to come up with a counter to them, perhaps a game wide treaty, or some such, using existing game mechanics, to deal with what some saw as a menace. Instead cries of "unfair" finally reached the heavens, and a nerf came down just for them. Sad really. I've played just about every MMO out there, and was astonishingly refreshed at this one...but if this continues....i don't really see any other choice. Corrupt policies can be overlooked, but punishing creativity cannot. I've even seen that accounts have been banned for speaking against the developers. Thats amazing, I thought absolutist dictators had the market cornered on that, and never expected to see it in my favorite GAME...lets all remember that it is in fact a game.
Yes, mate, they were, and still are. And as a Goon and former Ka-Tet member, I've had more than my share of run-ins with that reprehensible bunch (yes, i know, pot/kettle argument). PvP is nice if you're in the mood for it. If you want a fight, you go to a boxing school, take some lessons, and go stand in a ring. You have your fight as gentlemen and enjoy the match. But if you're just going out for groceries, and someone beats the crap out of you and destroys your stuff, that's not a fight, it's vandalism. Worse yet, if you're minding your own business sitting at home quietly watching King of Queens, and a guy breaks into your house, shoots your tv and then leaves, that's just vandalism.
Sadly, the two I just mentioned are more often than not what people see as PvP: mindless destruction to no end nobler than gratification of a destructive urge with no regard to consequences. In short, sociopathic behaviour. I have been invited to many PvP matches, and as such I like it. I never moan over losing if I accepted the challenge. It's a sport, and as such can be played with dignity.
In short, Tonya Harding, yes, the Privvies are that bad. But then their name doesnt exactly imply a "may I?" attitude, does it?
NERF NON-CONSENSUAL PVP Leave innocent skillshoppers be.
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M4sterm1nd
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pooka Like saying the Xmas presents were on the way
There's an xmas present? What was it?
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