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Kraaz
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Posted - 2007.05.02 16:55:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Kraaz on 02/05/2007 16:51:19
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.02 16:56:00 -
[122]
 Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Irrelevant claim considering the OP has nothing to do with UK.
Ushra'khan felt the need to get involved.
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Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:07:00 -
[123]
And why shouldn't they?
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:20:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Reash
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Irrelevant claim considering the OP has nothing to do with UK.
Ushra'khan felt the need to get involved.
Quote:
And why shouldn't they?
Make your mind up
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Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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JamnOne
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:54:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Ok....Simply.
Amarr are terrorists. For too long they had been playing the public role of big brother.
Ok, I have been reading this thread to learn what is going on and why it the stuff is happening. When I read this quote I got concerned. I am Amarr and I am proud to fly the Amarr Colors. You claim that the Amarr are Terrorists - I have not terrorized any body and I take damn good care of my slaves better than most Amarr's I would say. I could be wrong of course. But to claim Amarr are terrorists is an Insult to the entire Amarr Empire and it's people.
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
else big daddy Amarr might get angry.
Uhm - you may want to keep an eye on Amarr yourself after calling them all Terrorists.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.02 19:26:00 -
[126]
Sorry I meant specifically CVA.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.02 20:17:00 -
[127]
Oh come on, tell me about wrong generalization and I tell you about what I get from CVA/PIE/alike all day long ...
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.02 20:32:00 -
[128]
Just to clear a couple of issues up.
Until a few days ago ER was still shooting UK (piracy) now they do not, to my knowledge. They still engage in piracy throughout Providence.
IAC has UK kos, and with good reason. IAC has made good on any mistaken attacks to my knowledge.
CVA is not associated with Red Alliance or Goonswarm. CVA is not involved in the wars raging between coalition and alliance.
Yes the CVA has some basic requirements, they are simple.
No individual or corperation is forced to treat UK with hostility.
From my perspective, UK continue to make very bad choices. These choices reveal them for what they are. The pilots who live in the area must simply be tired of the brutish violent pirate loving ways of the Ushra Khan.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.05.02 21:28:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
Oh come on, tell me about wrong generalization and I tell you about what I get from CVA/PIE/alike all day long ...
There's a difference?
Casserina
Sani Sabik Illuminati
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JamnOne
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Posted - 2007.05.02 22:45:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Sorry I meant specifically CVA.
Apology Accepted
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.03 10:34:00 -
[131]
The pilots coming to this area have to be aware of the fact that this is a battlefield. There is a war betwen Matari and Slavers and this is one of the hotspots. You cannot plow a field in such an area and start whining when the armies trample upon it on their way to the battle. You cannot do business in such an area and expect that noone will ask you to take a stand on either side.
But every pilot should ask himself why he has come to 0.0 in the first place. Was it only because of the higher bounties you find on the Sansha down here or was it because you were fed up with the restrictions in Empire space and want to live a free life making your own decisions. I would think a big chunk of people came here for the latter. And if this was the case why the hell would you bundle up with CVA? They are nothing but the prolonged arm of the Empire. They want to apply the same rules on you you had in Empire space. Why would you want to accept it and not stand up for your own?
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.03 11:22:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
The pilots coming to this area have to be aware of the fact that this is a battlefield. There is a war betwen Matari and Slavers and this is one of the hotspots. You cannot plow a field in such an area and start whining when the armies trample upon it on their way to the battle. You cannot do business in such an area and expect that noone will ask you to take a stand on either side.
But every pilot should ask himself why he has come to 0.0 in the first place. Was it only because of the higher bounties you find on the Sansha down here or was it because you were fed up with the restrictions in Empire space and want to live a free life making your own decisions. I would think a big chunk of people came here for the latter. And if this was the case why the hell would you bundle up with CVA? They are nothing but the prolonged arm of the Empire. They want to apply the same rules on you you had in Empire space. Why would you want to accept it and not stand up for your own?
In answer to your question, a wide range of issues that undoubtedly are lost on yourself. The territories supported by the good people of the CVA have swelled since the pacification of the old unbridled pirate threat, the clearance of the old camping grounds opening the territories up for commerce. Those groups that whine about the shadow of the CVA's presence tend to be the ones wishing that anarchy and lawlessness would return, to plunder those new arrivals seeking to carry out their works without persecution.
Persecution that has by all accounts been dealt in no small number by those within the UK ranks of late, as well as all other forms of scum.
The persecution of innocents who work within the area due to the defensive operations of the CVA and local militia forces, BECAUSE of the CVA's honourable intentions is laughable. Perhaps this offers grounds for all other Matari facilities to be egageable because of their allignment? The CVA are not pirates, I believe their past actions have shown that time and time again.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.03 11:57:00 -
[133]
CVA are not pirates the same way UK are not pirates. CVA flys alongside pirates pursuing their goal of going after UK. UK flys alongside pirates (as for the last days) pursuing their goal of freeing their brothers. There is no difference in the means used.
The difference is the purpose we are fighting for. CVA is fighting to stretch the Empire's borders far out into Providence. It is the claimed purpose of the Amarr that His word shall be spread and His authority shall be expanded upon all being. UK is fighting to free our brothers. That does not concern anybody apart from slavers up to the moment they, directly or indirectly, support those who we are fighting. And in this moment they are not neutral any more because they cause harm to our brothers and what you inflict to my brother you are inflicting to me.
I am not preaching lawlessness and anarchy here. I'm preaching freedom. The honourable intentions of CVA that you reffered to are nothing else than the subjogation of any other being and the expansion of the empire's power. There is nothing honourable in disregarding any peoples right to live free and unharmed.
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.03 13:01:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Kallanagh Tellen on 03/05/2007 12:58:59
They are not your brothers anymore, and havent been in a long, long time.
What exactly would happen to this disassociated kin that you wish to free? Would they return to their families with open arms? In all reality those who serve the Empire have no kin, their family lies with others that serve beside them. Oh I have heard the slogans of the 'freedom' to which they are released, a lifetime of cruel exploitation at the hands of whatever 'entrepreneur' that finds a use for them.
I see no freedom here, death and dishonour perhaps but not freedom.
If there is a grievance then there are channels through which to communicate. Follow them. The mass execution of those that terrorists wish to save (somehow the ideal of 'freeing' such individuals into the void of space hasnt seemed so logical to me) is not a valid excuse for the killing of neutrals and innocents. Flawed idealism is no excuse for the slaughter of those not involved.
Order will be installed, malcontents and the jackals of the void will be expelled and cut down where they are found. In this task the CVA has done suprisingly well.
Serve the Emperor Above all Others |
Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.03 14:23:00 -
[135]
They are not my brothers any more? What are you, insane? I was born on the same farms they are now. I was born under the same whip they are now. I am of the same blood they are. Who is my brother if not someone of the same blood, same origin and same culture?
You tell me I am not a free man now? Can I not go whereever I want, do whatever I want to do? Was it not my choice and my choice alone to lead my life fighting for theirs? What Entrepreneur would ever have any power over my life?
Oh yes, you are right, Amarr paramilitaries have done a great job installing order in the outer regions. The order of the graveyards. The order of broken men under the whip. The order of religious fanatism and oppression. What a nice world to live in. Maybe you yourself should get a taste of freedom, you wouldn't find ths "order" so appealing any more...
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.03 15:05:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
They are not my brothers any more? What are you, insane? I was born on the same farms they are now. I was born under the same whip they are now. I am of the same blood they are. Who is my brother if not someone of the same blood, same origin and same culture?
You tell me I am not a free man now? Can I not go whereever I want, do whatever I want to do? Was it not my choice and my choice alone to lead my life fighting for theirs? What Entrepreneur would ever have any power over my life?
Oh yes, you are right, Amarr paramilitaries have done a great job installing order in the outer regions. The order of the graveyards. The order of broken men under the whip. The order of religious fanatism and oppression. What a nice world to live in. Maybe you yourself should get a taste of freedom, you wouldn't find ths "order" so appealing any more...
If you do not feel that the environs of Amarrian rule is to you liking then leave, now.
The matter of those who serve the Empire is a simple one. 'Freedom', that word I hear so much in these open channels is a very loose and subjective term. The case of 'freedom' creates more wars, fills more graves and deprives more families of fathers, sons and husbands than any other cause in being. Such 'freeedoms' are often the tool of the politician, or those that wish to gain some personal appreciation by way of some great task that THEY dictate to be right.
Let me speak this plainly to you, none of us are free.
From the lowest servant to the highest authority the drive of authority binds us to service, for the simple fact that shirking our duties often causes great detriment to others. Freedom implies to absense of such responsabilities, and is often utilised as a self-serving qualiy that obstructs the great order of civilisation. Those 'brothers' have their responsabilities, and whilst some may choose to argue and scream that they should be 'freed' the true horror of such situations can only be truly understood when considering the lives of such 'freed men', wishing to prolong their existance as amoal denizens of the Federation or Republic.
To 'free' these men and women would be a crime greater than any other, a wasted life. Do not delude yourself that attempting to rip these people from their work that yu would be doing them a service, such actions no doubt have a greater role to play on a much more personal footing.
The self-serving desires of others is the cause of much death in the Providence region, spiling forward to claim the lives who have no true place as 'targets' in this vile practice. What better sign of greed is there as the declaration of piracy on the innocent in the name of a self-serving dogma.
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JamnOne
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:28:00 -
[137]
Ok...if I am not Blue and I am not Red will CVA shoot at me or will they ask me to join their cause and if I refuse then shoot at me?
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:34:00 -
[138]
To leave would be the decision of a coward, to take the oppressor on and fight him is the decision of a man. Besides if we all would just leave who would stop the infectious disease called religious supremacy? The residents in Providence have proven that they won't.
On the bigger issue You are mistaken, my friend. It is not freedom that puts these men to graves and causes endless pain, it is the denial of freedom. If you would grant the Matari the freedom they seek the bloodshed would stop in that very minute. It is your denial of a basic right to every Matari that causes us to grab our blades in defence of our brothers, not the other way around.
My task is not dictated by some politician, it is not given by any authority of whatever nature. It is me alone who has chosen this task as a free man. That is what divides us. You accept some religious authority to dictate your life and your decisions and you want to apply that dictatorship to anyone else as well. What I seek is the liberation of that dictatorship, at least to whom it is applied by force. To liberate yourself is a task only you yourself can do.
You are right that the ideal of freedom is often abused and that ultimate freedom can harm others if it implies the absence of responsibilities. Yet this is no reason to deny any freedom at all. It is moreover a reason to teach how to act responsible as a free man. But this can only be learnt once you are free, it cannot be taught by men who themselves are slaves to their ignorance.
And no matter how often you repeat the propaganda published by your leaders, it is not truth. There are no innocents involved in this conflicts. And if there is somebody who is not aware of the conflict going on in Providence (which I find hard to believe) when this still is a battlefield. You cannot stand on a battlefield and expect not to get involved or not to get harmed. You cannot stand in the rain and expect not to get wet. You cannot do business with a slaver and expect us to look the other way. You cannot make friend with our enemies and expect us to ignore that. We may be hot blooded but we are no fools.
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:50:00 -
[139]
Originally by: JamnOne
Ok...if I am not Blue and I am not Red will CVA shoot at me or will they ask me to join their cause and if I refuse then shoot at me?
If you do not cause a disturbance to other residence I believe they would leave you be.
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Eveliddia
Amarr
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:52:00 -
[140]
Originally by: JamnOne
Ok...if I am not Blue and I am not Red will CVA shoot at me or will they ask me to join their cause and if I refuse then shoot at me?
If in Southern Providence you would be left to do as you choose. If in or around a battlefield between CVA and UK you would be asked to move along.
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:54:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
To leave would be the decision of a coward, to take the oppressor on and fight him is the decision of a man. Besides if we all would just leave who would stop the infectious disease called religious supremacy? The residents in Providence have proven that they won't.
On the bigger issue You are mistaken, my friend. It is not freedom that puts these men to graves and causes endless pain, it is the denial of freedom. If you would grant the Matari the freedom they seek the bloodshed would stop in that very minute. It is your denial of a basic right to every Matari that causes us to grab our blades in defence of our brothers, not the other way around.
My task is not dictated by some politician, it is not given by any authority of whatever nature. It is me alone who has chosen this task as a free man. That is what divides us. You accept some religious authority to dictate your life and your decisions and you want to apply that dictatorship to anyone else as well. What I seek is the liberation of that dictatorship, at least to whom it is applied by force. To liberate yourself is a task only you yourself can do.
You are right that the ideal of freedom is often abused and that ultimate freedom can harm others if it implies the absence of responsibilities. Yet this is no reason to deny any freedom at all. It is moreover a reason to teach how to act responsible as a free man. But this can only be learnt once you are free, it cannot be taught by men who themselves are slaves to their ignorance.
And no matter how often you repeat the propaganda published by your leaders, it is not truth. There are no innocents involved in this conflicts. And if there is somebody who is not aware of the conflict going on in Providence (which I find hard to believe) when this still is a battlefield. You cannot stand on a battlefield and expect not to get involved or not to get harmed. You cannot stand in the rain and expect not to get wet. You cannot do business with a slaver and expect us to look the other way. You cannot make friend with our enemies and expect us to ignore that. We may be hot blooded but we are no fools.
Then what of the migrant who wishes to merely work in peace? Should they murdered in the same vein by those of Amarr belief for merely being present in the are as potential dealers with the terrorist threat? What then? Would innocents be simply slaughtered by either side?
Thankfully this is not the case, those who simply wish to live in peace will not be harmed by the forces of Amarr, as long as they maintain the order. long shall the order be preserved in the fight against needless agression, bloodlust and hate.
You suprise me, you seem more level-headed than most of your cause, my compliments.
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JamnOne
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Posted - 2007.05.03 17:40:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Eveliddia
Originally by: JamnOne
Ok...if I am not Blue and I am not Red will CVA shoot at me or will they ask me to join their cause and if I refuse then shoot at me?
If in Southern Providence you would be left to do as you choose. If in or around a battlefield between CVA and UK you would be asked to move along.
Ok, after reading the OP and being informed that if in Southern Providence I will be left alone as long as I don't cause a disturbance and if I am in the battlefield area I will be asked to move along then why would I believe that CVA are Pirates?
It sounds like CVA will leave neutrals alone as long as they are not agressive to them, do not try and cause issues, and are not aligned with UK.
Or did I miss something here?
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.03 18:55:00 -
[143]
Originally by: JamnOne
If in Southern Providence you would be left to do as you choose. If in or around a battlefield between CVA and UK you would be asked to move along.
Ok, after reading the OP and being informed that if in Southern Providence I will be left alone as long as I don't cause a disturbance and if I am in the battlefield area I will be asked to move along then why would I believe that CVA are Pirates?
It sounds like CVA will leave neutrals alone as long as they are not agressive to them, do not try and cause issues, and are not aligned with UK.
Or did I miss something here?
It may be safer to move along for your own safety, as suggsted by my honourable peer.
Serve the Emperor Above all Others |
Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.03 19:27:00 -
[144]
Originally by: JamnOne
It sounds like CVA will leave neutrals alone as long as they are not agressive to them, do not try and cause issues, and are not aligned with UK.
Or did I miss something here?
There is a difference of the rules stated and the rules applied. The rules stated are the same to that of UK. Only we interpret the term "not aligned" maybe a bit narrower. Though I am not absolutely sure of that.
Also the term battlefield is open to interpretation. You will be asked to leave and considered with bad intentions if you don't. Same applies to UK.
Third thing is the behaviour of allied alliances. In this CVA has had an open agency in the past, allying the more ruthless ones. UK has stepped up to this standards a bit in the last days.
I have said it before: CVA are pirates in the same way UK are pirates or not.
To not be understood: This is my opinion, it doesn't necessarily represent the interpretation of the Council.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.03 19:37:00 -
[145]
To Kallanagh Tellen:
There is no difference. You will not harm them as long as they follow your purpose. This purpose is preserving the order as you call it.
We will not harm them as long as they follow our purpose. This purpose is the fight for the freedom of our brothers.
Your purpose may allow to be flexible as to whom you deal with. A trader in the system who stablizises the economy of both unity and KD to you is no thread. A florishing economy will create you income and prosperity.
To us such a trader who deals with both sides is a threat. The trade goods he buys will be produced by our brothers in chains. The more the economy florishes the more slaves the Empire will need and the more of the border worlds it will raid.
This is just one example. There are many more. The fight for our brothers does not allow us to compromise on these things.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.03 19:48:00 -
[146]
Originally by: xHjfx
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 27/04/2007 15:40:43
IAC is not NBSI in Providence, we are temporarily NBSI everywhere else in 0.0 right now however due to our little problem with 0utbreak.
Our recon gangs are there hunting our enemies for sport and training, not pirating innocent people we have no beef with.
PS; CVA are a lot tougher than IAC, and have never needed our help with anything.
They are in fact extremely choosy about who they ally with.
Not that the word of Tyrrax needs confirmation, but having witnessed and participated with the aforementioned gangs in the Terrorist home system - 9uy, I can confirm the fact they are only engaging Terrorists and Enemy pilots within Providence.
Dont try to smear the reputation of the good and honourable with petty lies because you are on the recieving end.
I'm a neutral who's operated in the Providence region, aligned to no one, member of no Alliance. I've lost four ships in that region, three of them to unprovoked attacks by IAC. Care to come again with that sack of bovine byproduct?
This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless... |
Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.03 20:50:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
Third thing is the behaviour of allied alliances. In this CVA has had an open agency in the past, allying the more ruthless ones. UK has stepped up to this standards a bit in the last days.
I am curious about these 'more ruthless' you refer to. Would this be LV (who pirated in Providence)that came along with a show of force for their temporary pals? Would this be ISS/MC who paid/allowed for mercs to save a POS? Would this be ER(Providence pirates)? Would this be Hobos(Providence pirates)? Would this be Chaos Incarnate(pirates) or any other host of rebels, pirates, and anarchs that have come to call. All of those forces, past and present are part of the UK menagerie. These are not forces called by CVA.
Any forces outside the Amarr loyalists(actually including them as well) that have shown you aggression have arrived at that decision themselves. They may have accepted CVA policy, but it was not our threat.
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Eucarid
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.04 01:36:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Eucarid on 04/05/2007 01:41:38
Originally by: Kabajashi San
To Kallanagh Tellen:
There is no difference. You will not harm them as long as they follow your purpose. This purpose is preserving the order as you call it.
We will not harm them as long as they follow our purpose. This purpose is the fight for the freedom of our brothers.
Your purpose may allow to be flexible as to whom you deal with. A trader in the system who stablizises the economy of both unity and KD to you is no thread. A florishing economy will create you income and prosperity.
To us such a trader who deals with both sides is a threat. The trade goods he buys will be produced by our brothers in chains. The more the economy florishes the more slaves the Empire will need and the more of the border worlds it will raid.
This is just one example. There are many more. The fight for our brothers does not allow us to compromise on these things.
I am but a humble servant of the Empire. Thank you Kabajashi San for you clarifications of UK policy. Here is what I consider differences:
The UK follow a 2-state system of identification. For them "you are either for us or against us." They throw around the term "neutral" but for them there really is no such thing. CVA follow a 3-state system of identification. For us "you are either for us, against us, or neither."
We will set you to KOS if you follow a NBSI policy in our space. We also have a good memory -- if you are set to KOS you and your corporation will remain that way forever unless you make reparations.
Furthermore, we consider the "battlefield" to be an area where we are actively engaged in a battle, whereas UK define "battlefield" to be the entire universe.
Now, you can see the difference between CVA saying they will not engage neutrals outside of a battlefield and the UK saying the same thing. We are not saying the same thing.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.04 03:04:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Pezzle
Originally by: Kabajashi San
Third thing is the behaviour of allied alliances. In this CVA has had an open agency in the past, allying the more ruthless ones. UK has stepped up to this standards a bit in the last days.
I am curious about these 'more ruthless' you refer to. Would this be LV (who pirated in Providence)that came along with a show of force for their temporary pals? Would this be ISS/MC who paid/allowed for mercs to save a POS? Would this be ER(Providence pirates)? Would this be Hobos(Providence pirates)? Would this be Chaos Incarnate(pirates) or any other host of rebels, pirates, and anarchs that have come to call. All of those forces, past and present are part of the UK menagerie...
Rubbish. When your allies in IAC declared war on ISS we were called upon to help ISS. We have long and good relations with ISS so we helped. Then ISS called upon LV, MC and a host of others. We did not call in anyone.
CVA not wanting to get in the firefight directly decided to divert our forces from defending ISS by striking one of our border starbases for the first time in over a year and erecting your own in that system. Your POS and ours were scheduled to come out of reinforced at the same time. We pulled the bulk of our fleet from the frontlines and returned to our space. An entirely Ushra'Khan battle group destroyed the CVA POS while your force looked on from a lone inteceptor. That system and all those surrounding it were secured by Ushra'Khan for over an hour before a lone MC pilot turned up out of the blue to help our rescue team repair the shields. There was nothing you could do to prevent us saving that POS with or with that lone pilots help.
As for ENH, Hobos and the rest. They all came to Providence for their own reasons. Some we have fought, some we have managed to make peace with and in some cases we have done both.
Lets see a full and complete list of the alliances you called down to help you take QR shall we?
I really thought such blatant lies to fuel a petty smear campaign were beneath CVA. Looks like I was wrong.
I don't blame the other residents of Providence for their actions. We have seen first hand CVA strongarm tactics and know they have no choice but to comply or face Amarrian lasers. But we are Ushra'Khan and we will never submit to slavers.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.04 08:58:00 -
[150]
To Pezzle:
I am not here to retell old stories of who allied with whom. You know who you fly alongside with and I know who showed up on your side in recent battles. Same goes to UK. I'm tired of these stories where everyone makes up the outcome for himself. If it makes you happy I'd say that from this day on we have the same standards applying to whom we ally with as have CVA.
To Eucarid:
There are neutrals to UK. They just have to work a bit harder to be regarded that way. You are neutral to us if you don't do business with slavers, don't help them, direct or indirect, in their fighting and if you respect the necessities of our fight. You don't have to be actively helping us in any way or believe what we believe yet you cannot deny our cause. I've brought the example of the Trader in Providence before. That trader would be considered neutral if he wouldn't do business at KD or any other slaver owned station.
And yes, the Universe is our battlefield not just Providence. Unity is a basis of operation, the fight for our brothers is not concentrated in one place. They are not enslaved in Providence alone, they are enslaved in every Amarr controlled territory. And the slaver raids expand even further. So in all these places we will have to fight. This is a basic understanding many of the Amarr don't have. This is not a war betwen UK and CVA and alike. It is not a war betwen two alliances and their allies. This is a war about the freedom of our brothers. There is no other war like that in our universe. That is why you can't expect that it goes by the same rules other battles go.
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