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Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.27 17:42:00 - [31] By warrented i mean a person on the Providence/CVA KOS list. This means wartargets of the corporations and pirates. And to define pirates: those who would prey on those who are neutral or friendly to CVA. Quite simple really, the spoils are treated like the spoils of any war, normally going to reimburse those who may have lost ships in anti-pirate operations.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.27 17:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Hardin I think it shows the desperation of the Star Fraction's current position that they feel the need to latch on to such idiotic and untruthful slander. I'm sorry but the Star Fraction has not latched onto any slander. No-one from our movement has suggested you are pirates or support piracy. You are allies with a self-declared NBSI organisation right enough but that doesn't necessarily translate into piracy or the support of piracy in our view. As for our position, it's very far from being desperate. The fighting is brutal and both sides are taking their losses but the Star Fraction continues to destroy Amarrian paramilitary and allied ships on a daily basis. We are quite satisfied that we can continue to actively prosecute the war for as long as it takes. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:41:00 - [33] The slander has nothing to do with the issue of piracy, as you know. It has more to do with your monarchs claim that we roll over or take orders from IAC. Evidence stands in stark contrast to this statement. Even the IAC leader has come here and said otherwise. But no doubt this would not dissuade the party line you wish to put forth. Feel free to continue though, the attempt does a marvelous job of making the fraction look foolish.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.27 19:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Pezzle The slander has nothing to do with the issue of piracy, as you know. It has more to do with your monarchs claim that we roll over or take orders from IAC. Evidence stands in stark contrast to this statement. Even the IAC leader has come here and said otherwise. But no doubt this would not dissuade the party line you wish to put forth. Feel free to continue though, the attempt does a marvelous job of making the fraction look foolish. First, the Star Fraction has no 'monarch'. Second, Jasmine is an individual member and does not speak for the Star Fraction outside official communications. Her contributions to this thread are her opinions, not those of the Star Fraction. Third, there is no 'party line'. The only one looking foolish is the person who can't get outside of the authoritarian mindset that simply can't conceive of an organisation made up of free individuals with their own, sometimes quite different, opinions. For what it is worth, I'm personally not aware that the CVA takes orders from anyone but the corrupt imperial regime that presides over the Amarrian regions. That's quite bad enough and sufficient reason for me to regard the CVA as an enemy. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 20:21:00 - [35] Pezzle grins I am guessing you refer to the Amarr Empire. Apology accepted Cosmopolite.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.27 21:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Pezzle Pezzle grins I am guessing you refer to the Amarr Empire. Apology accepted Cosmopolite. Quite why you think I have extended any apology I don't know. I've simply stated my personal view of matters. If you must know, I have an automatic sympathy for anyone falsely accused of 'piracy', even a deadly foe, because the Star Fraction is now and again, absurdly, accused of being a gang of pirates. As I've indicated, I think it's a fairly sterile debate and I apply the ancient Amarrian principle of cum grano salis to any instance of the term 'pirate' being thrown around. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
xHjfx Minmatar The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 23:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 27/04/2007 15:40:43 IAC is not NBSI in Providence, we are temporarily NBSI everywhere else in 0.0 right now however due to our little problem with 0utbreak. Our recon gangs are there hunting our enemies for sport and training, not pirating innocent people we have no beef with. PS; CVA are a lot tougher than IAC, and have never needed our help with anything. They are in fact extremely choosy about who they ally with. Not that the word of Tyrrax needs confirmation, but having witnessed and participated with the aforementioned gangs in the Terrorist home system - 9uy, I can confirm the fact they are only engaging Terrorists and Enemy pilots within Providence. Dont try to smear the reputation of the good and honourable with petty lies because you are on the recieving end. -----
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 02:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not NBSI in Providence, we are temporarily NBSI everywhere else in 0.0 right now however due to our little problem with 0utbreak. This is patently false, or you have recently changed your stance, or I guess your members don't or didn't know the orders. The Assah - 9UY pipe, in particular the g-5/Assah gate, has had IAC operating NBSI for months. Your men have been attacking everything bar those I assume you had set blue moving thru it. Your pilots openly stated this to neutrals warping into their camps as they shot them. I simply assumed you had declared U'K space a warzone and that anything in it was fair game to try and destabalise us. Recently you changed tactics along with some heavy napping of the locals U'K side of provi so I guess things may have changed, but in essence in terms of history of the last few months EveJoker is correct. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:19:00 - [39] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/04/2007 05:17:25 There may have been some confusion within our ranks as to whether or not the terrorist infested part of Providence should be deemed completely hostile. A few of our raid leaders apparently believed it was for a brief period of time (certainly not months) and operated on the assumption that anyone found around 9uy must be a terrorist collaborator and a threat to operational security. I corrected them on the non-hostile status of the entire region as soon as the situation was brought to my attention and reimbursed the losses of those found to be innocent. http://eve.klaki.net/
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:10:00 - [40] Ahh confusion ... that would be the same confusion that lead to your pilots helping rob a neutral mining corp's POS in DNR today then? They should perhaps lay off the grog a while. Karn shrugs ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Nebulous Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 09:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Ahh confusion ... that would be the same confusion that lead to your pilots helping rob a neutral mining corp's POS in DNR today then? They should perhaps lay off the grog a while. Karn shrugs Indeed
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:01:00 - [42] Ushra'Khan, withdraw from this topic. Neither IAC nor the CVA deserve any more respectful conversation. We all know where we stand with each other. We especially know where we stand with the CVA. Now more than ever it seems. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:26:00 - [43] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/04/2007 11:22:58 Originally by: Karn Mithralia Ahh confusion ... that would be the same confusion that lead to your pilots helping rob a neutral mining corp's POS in DNR today then? They should perhaps lay off the grog a while. Karn shrugs How would you know our standings towards whomever you're talking about ? Perhaps you should stick to flinging refuse, might be a bit more at your level and your boss doesn't seem too happy with your current performance, amusing though some of us might find it. http://eve.klaki.net/
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 12:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Solusar As for the Ushra'Khan posters here. You initiated hostilities vs IAC when they were a small alliance finding their feet in 0 security space. Stop trying to make it look like they are the bad guys here when you went after what you percieved to be a weak target. Bull***, we had neutral standings to them , and on individual base even friendly relations with IAC pilots until we payed back our debt to ISS. Since then IAC hates us, and is harassing us when it suits them. never have we raided their homes after the ISS war, and never before. To us the war is over, however to them its not - but that is not the topic here. Sure is, we are not actively seeking conflict with them. And i would not be surprised if my words even get confirmed by IAC. Beeing enemy doesnt necessarily mean to lie. 2nd, there is no reason to deny the fact that u'k is maintaining NRDS since our arrival in providence (the abbreviation is even uk born to my best knowledge) Stand by the truth and behind your actions solusar. U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..*
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 12:20:00 - [45] Originally by: zoolkhan 2nd, there is no reason to deny the fact that u'k is maintaining NRDS since our arrival in providence (the abbreviation is even uk born to my best knowledge) Stand by the truth and behind your actions solusar. Ushra'khan has stated on several occasions that neutrals in CVA space are valid targets, i am fairly sure that Ushra'khan attacked IAC pilots before IAC had its own space. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 13:42:00 - [46] Zool, enough. You can't reason with the unreasonable. Reash, say what you wish about us. I have now lost all care and respect for your alliance, along with your allies. As has pretty much all of the council. You deserve IAC and they deserve you. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk How would you know our standings towards whomever you're talking about ? Perhaps you should stick to flinging refuse, might be a bit more at your level and your boss doesn't seem too happy with your current performance, amusing though some of us might find it. I get my information by asking like anyone else. Its not hard, did you ask your men if there was anything in what I said? I'm more than happy to take this off forum and into private disucssion if you really care what your pilots do in those parts of provi not under CVA's eye. Darius isn't my boss, he just can't see the value of posting on these matters here. I must admit he has a point. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:55:00 - [48] yawns Whilst we're on the topic of Recon gangs operating in space. It would be nice if IAC were able to give a clear message on what they actually think.. I mean first of all we have you *****ing about people floating afk Coverts in your space for ages and then when your guys can't fly around your own space because Outbreak are spanking you out of Catch, we find them popping up in Providence and idling for days at a time in our space. tbh, i wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't for their frankly astonishingly bad combat record to date against U'K. You're not really even offering a challenge. It is almost like those pilots are floating around our space on 'black ops' whilst cunningly avoiding actually fighting the losing war you appear locked in. That said, I'm happy to see that faction drops in Providence are up as a result so feel free to keep sending the afk recons our way. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:05:00 - [49] Huh. Mr Cosmopolite seems to more or less get it. I'm not sure which is more surprising: that a Fractionite understands the CVA on at least a basic level or that I expected he would. Zoolkhan, my old foe...dear old foe if I may be so bold...the hatred between us and between the CVA and Ushra'Khan is much more befitting expressed in mortal combat. You and your pilots never fall short in that endeavor, so perhaps we should just leave it at that?
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Sapphrine yawns Whilst we're on the topic of Recon gangs operating in space. It would be nice if IAC were able to give a clear message on what they actually think.. I mean first of all we have you *****ing about people floating afk Coverts in your space for ages and then when your guys can't fly around your own space because Outbreak are spanking you out of Catch, we find them popping up in Providence and idling for days at a time in our space. tbh, i wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't for their frankly astonishingly bad combat record to date against U'K. You're not really even offering a challenge. It is almost like those pilots are floating around our space on 'black ops' whilst cunningly avoiding actually fighting the losing war you appear locked in. That said, I'm happy to see that faction drops in Providence are up as a result so feel free to keep sending the afk recons our way. IAC didn't like it being done to us, does that mean we shouldn't do it to our enemies ? If it was a losing war we'd be doing worse as it progresses, not better Not even really a war, just predators doing what they do best. http://eve.klaki.net/
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:32:00 - [51] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/04/2007 16:29:27 Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Solusar As for the Ushra'Khan posters here. You initiated hostilities vs IAC when they were a small alliance finding their feet in 0 security space. Stop trying to make it look like they are the bad guys here when you went after what you percieved to be a weak target. Bull**, we had neutral standings to them , and on individual base even friendly relations with IAC pilots until we payed back our debt to ISS. I wasn't in IAC at the time Solusar refers to, so I don't know if there was any hostility at that point in time. There were no official standings between the two alliances until you attacked us and indeed there was some friendship between certain elements, hostility between others. I myself approached Ushra'Khan at one point about setting up a NAP, but Maggot was not interested in discussions with the likes of me Perhaps if another diplomat had been dispatched the results would've been different. Originally by:** zoolkhan Since then IAC hates us, and is harassing us when it suits them. I must object, we do not hate you at all, indeed one of my slaves used to be a member of your High Council so I personally have considerable fondness for what I indirectly helped create. http://eve.klaki.net/
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:52:00 - [52] U'K had no hostile standings to IAC before the IAC/ISS war. Solusar is ignorant of the facts. No NAP was needed prior to the IAC/ISS war as U'K does not practice NBSI policies. U'K has never attacked neutrals in CVA space. Only those who directly state their allegance to the slaver paramilitaries have received swift justice. Reash is incorrect in his accusations and there is no evidence to prove otherwise.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:50:00 - [53] I have personally witnessed UK attacking neutrals at random in CVA space on over a dozen seperate occasions. I suggest checking the kills of Paddington and FleshDiver and the pilots they fly with. Mind you i dont object to this-as afterall you are terrorists-but to deny it is comical in the extreme. The tone of our old enemy has really shifted these past months. A real air of defeatism, victimhood and bitterness-I expected more from our once noble enemy.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:04:00 - [54] The message is the same as it has always been since the day we came to Providence. The issue here is your blind support for IAC and your ignorance of what is actually happening. Knowing your penchant for drinking I can only assume your relationship with IAC is a mutually beneficial one and you are writing this in a cloud of your own drunken stench after a hard session on the spirits banned in your own empire.
Corelous Alterrian	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:07:00 - [55] Nobody cares about threats over the internet. Don't try to act hardcore with the keyboard. Fighting online is like racing in the special olympics; even if you win, you're still retarded. Thats all I have to say about the pirate's in this Universe. Don't like it? TO BAD!!! Grow up and get a real job!
Tiger Ash	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:36:00 - [56] Edited by: Tiger Ash on 28/04/2007 19:32:39
Paddington	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Vantras I have personally witnessed UK attacking neutrals at random in CVA space on over a dozen seperate occasions. I suggest checking the kills of Paddington and FleshDiver and the pilots they fly with. Mind you i dont object to this-as afterall you are terrorists-but to deny it is comical in the extreme. The tone of our old enemy has really shifted these past months. A real air of defeatism, victimhood and bitterness-I expected more from our once noble enemy. I'd like to just step in and defend myself here, i'm no pirate, everyone of these so called "neutrals" that i have executed has been a supporter of CVA. I will lock down neutrals and ask them of their intentions and their relationship with CVA, i will only open fire if they admit they support the CVA. I know there is little point me explaining my actions, they'll continue to tell the neutrals in the area i will attack them on site and this only gets them killed, if the neutrals were to explain they have no intention of helping CVA then they'd be let go. But the CVA loves to feed its populace propaganda about the bad terrorists.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 28/04/2007 16:30:08 IAC didn't like it being done to us, does that mean we shouldn't do it to our enemies ? If it was a losing war we'd be doing worse as it progresses, not better Not even really a war, just predators doing what they do best, and prey adapting to their presence. No by all means use a viable tactic, just possibly restrain those elements of your Alliance that insist on shouting quite so bitterly. Personally I like the way it keeps our pilots on their toes. Its good to remember that 0.0 is not safe ever. I won't argue that you're doing better but i would question if the difference in the shade of failure really matters? :P I'm sure there was a point where the war odds looked decidedly rosier. There are always swings and roundabouts. Enjoy the fall bit of your fight :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:37:00 - [59] Paddington I am trying to follow.. You target them, warp jam, web them, "lock them down" as you say...and....<gasp> They actually shoot at you? You then view this shooting as a hostile act? and conclude "they must be followers of the CVA they shot at me?!!".... Thats an entertaining system. Most of the time, when someone targets me, warp and webs me, I sorta view them as the agressor. I see that more Amarrian enlightment is required among the slaves. I will dispatch our best preacher Pezzle to your home shortly.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:57:00 - [60] OK since no one seems to be ignoring this thread I will break ranks to say this to the CVA. Bitternes? Yes, you are right. And it has reasons rooted in more than just losing QR. The very nature of your public bashing of our image shows you have already dropped the banner of respect on the floor yourselves. Tell me please why I should respect you now? And further more, every corporation in our ranks joined us because they believe in the cause against slavery. Every ally we gathered in the past joined us against you because they believed in the ideals we subscribe to. How many of your allies believe in your ideals of slavery and expansion of the Amarr empire? How many of them that you dragged into the QR with you to fight a war that you should be fighting were there for more than just the combat? How many of them did you trick into thinking that we were pirates just like you told Huzzah so they would join your defence gangs before we located to Providence? Cold Steel Alliance Sev3rance North Star Confederation Hardly renouned names in the pro-slavery camp. So why would they be interested in your fight against us unless you drag them with you? You open the floodgates and bring people who need have nothing to do with this fight into the arena to act as your cannon fodder and then expect us to maintain our composure? Respect you as we had done in the past? I have given you enough respect when I need not have. You will have no more. And on the subject, you have grown fairly fast too. How many of your new corporations actually share your desire to expand the empire? Or are they simply padding for your industrial and military strength? You are not what you once were CVA. And I can no longer respect you. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal

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