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Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:16:00 - [91] Originally by: Maggot Originally by: Raane Thyandar Look into their methods of fighting, because yesterday they tried to ransom a member of PIE just 1 jump from your outpost in a bubble camp. I hope the pilot failed to pay and died. No, the ransomers were too busy talking and he manoevured free of the bubble and escaped. I don't know about you but if i find a terrorist, and am in position to defeat him, i don't ransom him. I shoot him. Ransoming pilots, is what pirates do. These Einherjar folks seem to have more commitment to their wallets than the 'cause'.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:23:00 - [92] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 01/05/2007 16:24:14 How is ransoming worthy of such scorn? We are giving the pilot a choice. He can either lose all his mods, pod, and ship; or at a price he can keep it if he deems the price a good deal relative to the previous option. This in the end is because we at Einherjar Rising are such kind individuals.
Shina Windol Caldari Raging Phoenix Incorporated North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:23:00 - [93] Originally by: Kabajashi San From my point of view you fail to understand our reason to be, NSC. We are not in Providence to provide safety for residents or bypassers. We are not there to establish order and civilization. We are there to have a basis for our operations in the fight for our brothers freedom. We fight CVA and alike. With whatever means we have. And from my point of view you fail to understand our reason to fight you, U'K. We are in Providence to fight pirates and to make it safe for business to continue as usual, whether it is ratting, mining, or conducting trade. From friends and enemies alike, and even from some in your own alliance, Minmatar, I have heard that ALL major alliances in Providence, no matter what their disagreements, operate under NRDS. From what I have seen both in here and in the cold darkness of space, apparently this does not apply to the Ushra'Khan. Some of your very own members claim to be anti-pirates, Minmatar, and that is what dooms you to dishonor in this fight. Do you shoot the Amarrian slavers? I've seen it numerous times. But in the process you also shoot those who have no involvement in your conflict, and that, my friend, has led you to operate like pirates. If it were not for that, I doubt the North Star Confederation would have this conflict with you and this opposition to you. But alas you have made your choice clear, and we must make the choice between two moral issues...slavery and piracy. The first is a localized moral dilemma that is culturally based, but the latter is a universal issue and a universal problem. Clearly you have made piracy the larger and more dangerous of the two issues and so we take the stance against you. Even when conducting operations against you, Minmatar, we leave your neutrals be unless they take direct action against us. We will not stoop to the same levels to achieve our goals. You "fight CVA and alike with whatever means you have." Well, Minmatar, we fight back against Ushra'Khan and alike with whatever means WE have, but we WILL NOT compromise ourselves to do so. You have made your choice clear as have we, and we shall meet on the field of battle. Until then, I must say long live the Confederation and may the Amarr be blest with victory this day. ---------------------------------- Shina Windol Executor of the North Star Confederation CEO of Raging Phoenix Incorporated 1st Fleet Overseer, Iron Guard Legion NSTAR SDF
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:27:00 - [94] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio How is ransoming worthy of such scorn? We are giving the pilot a choice. He can either lose all his mods, pod, and ship; or at a price he can keep it if he deems the price a good deal relative to the previous option. Indeed. Although I prefer a corpse to take home to the freezer I would take pleasure in knowing a slavers coffers were drained.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:38:00 - [95] Originally by: Shina Windol Originally by: Kabajashi San From my point of view you fail to understand our reason to be, NSC. We are not in Providence to provide safety for residents or bypassers. We are not there to establish order and civilization. We are there to have a basis for our operations in the fight for our brothers freedom. We fight CVA and alike. With whatever means we have. And from my point of view you fail to understand our reason to fight you, U'K. We are in Providence to fight pirates and to make it safe for business to continue as usual, whether it is ratting, mining, or conducting trade. From friends and enemies alike, and even from some in your own alliance, Minmatar, I have heard that ALL major alliances in Providence, no matter what their disagreements, operate under NRDS. From what I have seen both in here and in the cold darkness of space, apparently this does not apply to the Ushra'Khan. Some of your very own members claim to be anti-pirates, Minmatar, and that is what dooms you to dishonor in this fight. Do you shoot the Amarrian slavers? I've seen it numerous times. But in the process you also shoot those who have no involvement in your conflict, and that, my friend, has led you to operate like pirates. If it were not for that, I doubt the North Star Confederation would have this conflict with you and this opposition to you. But alas you have made your choice clear, and we must make the choice between two moral issues...slavery and piracy. The first is a localized moral dilemma that is culturally based, but the latter is a universal issue and a universal problem. Clearly you have made piracy the larger and more dangerous of the two issues and so we take the stance against you. Even when conducting operations against you, Minmatar, we leave your neutrals be unless they take direct action against us. We will not stoop to the same levels to achieve our goals. You "fight CVA and alike with whatever means you have." Well, Minmatar, we fight back against Ushra'Khan and alike with whatever means WE have, but we WILL NOT compromise ourselves to do so. You have made your choice clear as have we, and we shall meet on the field of battle. Until then, I must say long live the Confederation and may the Amarr be blest with victory this day. Anyone who associates themselves with CVA is considered a valid target. That has always been our policy from the very first day we arrived in Providence over one year ago. U'K has never been involved in piracy. Your words mean nothing.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:40:00 - [96] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 01/05/2007 16:39:11 I'd just like to say, I could go on and on and on like some of the more verbose posters in this thread; but that just isn't my way. My diplomacy is my ship, and my actions. Einherjar Rising is an NBSI corp. We are not here because we love everyone and want to mine crokite all day long. We are here to have a good time. We have allied with UK because they are also another organization in the area who we have grown to appreciate, and who seem to have a better grasp of the way to live than CVA and its "friends" cough nap us or die end cough CVA have for far too long tried to use their entrenched power, knowledge of how to make a short sentence a novel, and complete lack of modesty to rule the area known as Providence. If CVA were to gain control of providence I would only imagine how boring the area would be. CVA doesn't try to make friends, instead they use their mobs to instill their will on the surrounding area. Peace might be created, but at the expense of people's dignity. People should be allowed to do what they want, how they want. Choice my friends is what brings UK and Einherjar Rising together. The choice of "to each their own".
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.01 16:42:00 - [97] Providence seems terribly free with the label "Pirate". For those not familiar with the dialect, let me translate it for you: "Someone who has not submitted to my rule." This is "Pirate" as it is preached in Providence it seems. I am fairly certain CONCORD, whose joint jurisdiction and quite effective military forces, has demonstrated repeatedly that CVA's definition does not match their own. CVA will happily encroach upon their protected space of commerce and peace without legal justification. Why, illegal pursuit of self-interest by destroying and robbing from others? How.. how.. piratical! 0.0 on the other hand, knows no such label. In this space there is only sworn ally, cautious friend, and he who shall be treated as hostile. In such space, you negotiate your business first, or you defend it with force. Any other path is folly that leads to death. In any case, it matters not. Speak your propaganda. The weak are numerous and will agree to anything if they think it will allow them to grovel in the dark for another day. Our business is our own and will not be changed by your labels, your servants, or even by UK desires. We will see to it as we always have, with blood.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.01 17:57:00 - [98] The more I think about it, the more the CVA's approach to Providence reminds me of holo reels i saw of these old Earth Gangsta's. I'll give that they're more benevolent, they don't seem to extort direct financial tiefs from others all that much but they do basically strongarm everyone to their side with the absolute threat of violence if they say nay.... Now i'm a pirate because I try to free an oppressed people and will kill anyone supporting those that support the slavers? Come on... smear tactics only work when you have an ounce of credibility left. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.01 18:43:00 - [99] Originally by: Sapphrine The more I think about it, the more the CVA's approach Now i'm a pirate because I try to free an oppressed people and will kill anyone supporting those that support the slavers? Come on... smear tactics only work when you have an ounce of credibility left. No, you're not a pirate - for your actions against the Empire you're a terrorist.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:07:00 - [100] Originally by: Raane Thyandar Originally by: Sapphrine The more I think about it, the more the CVA's approach Now i'm a pirate because I try to free an oppressed people and will kill anyone supporting those that support the slavers? Come on... smear tactics only work when you have an ounce of credibility left. No, you're not a pirate - for your actions against the Empire you're a terrorist. Funny, that particular edict has not issued by any of Imperial Agencies. Seems that PIE is attempting to make Imperial Law yet again. Will they never learn? Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Tenebrion Darkness	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:24:00 - [101] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Raane Thyandar [ No, you're not a pirate - for your actions against the Empire you're a terrorist. Funny, that particular edict has not issued by any of Imperial Agencies. Seems that PIE is attempting to make Imperial Law yet again. Will they never learn? This is a worn out argument against the CVA, and it has been pointed out many times, that their statements are their own and not those of the Empire.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.01 20:41:00 - [102] Just let me get a short answer to this, Shina Windol. I respect your choices, the answer will be given on the battle field. I just don't want to give you a wrong impression what this is about. I'm speaking here for myself, I have no role or significance in my alliance or corp of whatever nature. I believe everyone must stand up for his own choices. But I strongly oppose to the accusation of fighting dishonourable. I have fought and I will fight anyone supporting slavery. This is not a question of what standing he has set or what the reasons for his actions may be. The same I can say from my experience goes to UK. If indeed a neutral was shot I disagree with such action. But moreover I believe that there are very few neutrals in this area. There are more people like yourself who go after their selfish interests and deny the suffering of our brothers. There are people who bundle with CVA and wonder why they are considered legitimate targets for UK. We don't wait until a neutral takes any actions against us, it is enough if he takes actions, direct or indirect, against our brothers in chains. For we are one kin and what you do to them you do to us. You know, there is much talking about UK being pirates or terrorists or whatever. I don't care the label as I know my true self. Yet I object this crude morality where a man fighting for the freedom of his brothers is considered less than a man causing endless pain to others. And I object CVA fooling around with labels and everyone falling for it. Who was it who flew alongside CVA when they took QR? Who was it whose action they ignored because they helped them out against UK? These are true pirates, by their actions and by their morality. They have no honour of whatever kind. A pirate is not a man attacking neutrals or shooting people for money. A pirate is a man putting his own personal interests above his cause. A man seeking cheap opportunities to do pain to others and not suffer the consequenses. A man with no conciousness, blind to the suffering of others, filled with egoism and selfishness. This a label that doesn't fit UK.
JamnOne	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:40:00 - [103] Sorry for the interruption What is NBSI and NRDS? Thank You
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:09:00 - [104] Einherjar Rising has been conducting pirate raids on Providence for many months, including when they were members of Dusk and Dawn. They are pirates. We have heard these claims before, 'there are no pirates in outlying space'. This is a lie, a lie told to cover guilt. Ushra Khan open their doors to those who would disrupt honest pilots. They apparently surrendered to Einherjar Rising. They also gave in to Hobo's, another pirate group. CVA have a long history of antipiracy and honest dealings. Our record stands against these critics.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:19:00 - [105] NBSI = not blue shoot it NRDS = not red don't shoot http://eve.klaki.net/
metalic Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:41:00 - [106] I seem to remember that CVA had no problems with me pirating NOS as a member of momentum, and infact i seem to remember that they even condoned it.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:51:00 - [107] Originally by: Pezzle Ushra Khan open their doors to those who would disrupt honest pilots. They apparently surrendered to Einherjar Rising. They also gave in to Hobo's, another pirate group. Comedy. Pure Morphite.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:25:00 - [108] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 01/05/2007 23:22:26 Yes it is true, Maggot gave up when I jumped into 9uy and dropped 30 secure audit cans around UNITY with slaves inside, set to "read only" access.
EveJoker Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:34:00 - [109] Perhaps the slavers could explain the difference between IAC's and EHN's NBSI policy so I can understand why one side is pirate, the other not. I allways thought pirates randsom people.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:22:00 - [110] Originally by: Pezzle Einherjar Rising has been conducting pirate raids on Providence for many months, including when they were members of Dusk and Dawn. They are pirates. We have heard these claims before, 'there are no pirates in outlying space'. This is a lie, a lie told to cover guilt. Ushra Khan open their doors to those who would disrupt honest pilots. They apparently surrendered to Einherjar Rising. They also gave in to Hobo's, another pirate group. CVA have a long history of antipiracy and honest dealings. Our record stands against these critics. seriously, thats a good one, CVA's long history of antipiracy and honest dealings... here let me just park my dreads on the edge of your pos... now... what was that about saying no again to us? I haven't laughed this much in a long time. CVA... honest..... drug injecting manipulating slavers.... honest.... giggles oh and giving in... I think you'll find both groups approached U'K and a deal based on mutual respect was struck in both cases... Far more than can be said for CVA's recent deals I'd imagine.. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:06:00 - [111] Contrary to what the UK and their pirate accomplices would like the public to believe, it is very easy to be left in peace by the CVA. To the UK: How does it feel to have given in, to have surrendered your opposition of piracy for some meager promises? How did it feel to swallow your pride, surrender that part of your identity? With each infraction you become that much more of a beast. The den of decay will be purged. Those of you with any self respect left should abandon such a place. Think of something wholesome. Think of something other than your mindless lust for violence. See here how your senses have abandoned you. Drinking of the pirates poisoned chalice will only bring you further harm.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:17:00 - [112] CVA arent pirates, they just have a unique ROE. Most people are either NBSI, or NRDS, CVA are IAPSI! (its a pirate shoot it) trouble is, by their definition of the word everyone who doesnt bend to their will and roll over is deemed to be a pirate. Now Recruiting
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:41:00 - [113] Originally by: metalic I seem to remember that CVA had no problems with me pirating NOS as a member of momentum, and infact i seem to remember that they even condoned it. Hahaha, I was waiting for the truth of that to come out. I recall it well, NOS had decided they were sick of living under CVA jackboots so they approached us to discuss a peace treaty and if I recall a mutual defence pact. Then Momentum turn up to knock seven shades out of them until they cut ties with us and chose a leader compliant to the will of the CVA to 'lead' them. Amarr hypocrisy at it's best. >> RECRUITING <<
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:51:00 - [114] Ok....Simply. Ushrakhan are terrorists. For too long they had been playing the public role of anti-pirate. When it comes down to it, under the onslaught of the mighty Amarrian fleets their numbers are reducing, many are abandoning the cause in desperation and hopelessness, they are running out of will to fight, they are running out of people willing to fight. Their allies have been crushed or have seen the light, or have been betrayed by Ushrakhan in their paranoia of their betters coming to shoot them. Now to maintain what little they have they have allied themselves with pirates to defend themselves. This is their choice, but they shall also fall before the cleansing lasers of Amarr justice. Ushrakhan have fallen as low as they can go, in desperation. I chuckle as I see you fly with so many pirates? Why? Because Im not even sure the other loyalists would come to help you now if you called. You stand now for everything they dont. The likes of EM and NMTZ. They fight piracy in the name of protecting the people of the Republic, but what off you? You turned your back on the Republic, you ally yourselves with those who your friends fight. Ushrakhan are dieing. The Amarr will be victourious in this struggle as they always are. You ally yourselves with those who will abandon you when things reach their worst....I pity you terrorists, not because I know your are beaten. But because you know you are beaten, and all this posturing by your members here is a vain attempts to convince yourselves you are not. Good luck with that. Now these channels are making come into contact with you filth more than I like, so I am going to refrain from reading these threads from now on. If you have a point to make to me please broadcast it to my ship or just die under my lasers. Im good either way. Ikar Kaltin
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:35:00 - [115] Ok....Simply. Amarr are terrorists. For too long they had been playing the public role of big brother. When it comes down to it, under the onslaught of the pesky UK fleets their numbers are blobbing, many are bandwaggoning the cause through CVA's bullying, they are being manhandled out of will to fight, they are making people unable to fight through naps. Their pets have been subdued or have seen the "light", meaning they have been "told" by CVA in their paranoia of their betters coming to shoot them, to forget their loyalties or else big daddy Amarr might get angry.
Tiger Ash	Posted - 2007.05.02 14:57:00 - [116] Edited by: Tiger Ash on 02/05/2007 14:53:38
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:12:00 - [117] Originally by: Pezzle Contrary to what the UK and their pirate accomplices would like the public to believe, it is very easy to be left in peace by the CVA. To the UK: How does it feel to have given in, to have surrendered your opposition of piracy for some meager promises? How did it feel to swallow your pride, surrender that part of your identity? With each infraction you become that much more of a beast. The den of decay will be purged. Those of you with any self respect left should abandon such a place. Think of something wholesome. Think of something other than your mindless lust for violence. See here how your senses have abandoned you. Drinking of the pirates poisoned chalice will only bring you further harm. I'm sure ENH and BUM wouldn't really care for being called our accomplices, they were quite happy to poke you before talking to us. And U'K is quite aware of what it takes to be left alone by CVA. Its the threats and intimidation that you manage to leave out of these threads that we tend to see more often. Also, your relationships with IAC and those RAGOONS must be gaining you some good grog because i'd just love to know what you've been drinking to think a soverign power operating NRDS in its space has given in to piracy especially when the allies you have mentioned are also operating the same in our space. As for the rest, i've heard it all before. You call us beasts and say you'll cleanse us. I say you're murdering thugs who enslave people out of a deluded loyalty to a fake cause. CVA, for an alliance claiming to be in a position of power, you're doing an awful lot of posturing and smear campaigning. we'll stick to facts on our side if its all the same and we'll continue killing your supporters in your space whilst you're off low sec ganking.... and they call us pirate sympathisers! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:23:00 - [118] Originally by: Sapphrine CVA, for an alliance claiming to be in a position of power, you're doing an awful lot of posturing and smear campaigning. Amusing considering this thread was an attempt to smear the CVA name. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:30:00 - [119] Irrelevant claim considering the OP has nothing to do with UK.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:47:00 - [120] Oh Mr. Kaltin, I know you are too curious to let this thread alone. You will still be lurking around and reading it and be tempted to answer yet you cannot because you said you wouldn't and who can say that an Amarr ever posted a lie on IGS ... We are losing this war? You really think so? You think taking QR makes us losing this war? You think killing us makes us losing this war? You really should know better. You put us down, we rise again. You kill one of us and two warriors will take his place. You enslave us and torture us and we still spit in your face. Purification by pain, you should know the concept. Everything you do to us will only make us harder, better warriors. You think we are desperate? Does that make us more or less dangerous? We will come after you till the day we day. And when we are dead our children and grand children will take our place. Even if you'd kill every free Matari you would raise our sucessors on your farms. You will never get rid of us. That is why you are truly desperate, because you know deep in your heart that you are fighting a war you cannot win. That in the end Truth and Uprightness will prevail. There is only one end to this battle - the freedom of our brothers.

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