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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.03.28 07:47:07 -
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Tara Read wrote:Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility. I shouldn't have to fandangle and jumble around a limited fleet hangar for a ship that costs 3x the amount of a regular Titan and stare at a near empty coprse bay.
If Only CCP had not of made this thing Where you can dock Titans which lets you have all the refits you like and you can pick what your fit is before you undock. I cannot remember what there called but there's one Called TrumpsWall in this small northern system which you can use. |
Albert Madullier
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
62
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Posted - 2017.03.28 09:16:35 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Questions & Answers
Q)Whats with the low fitting attributes and weird fitting bonuses on the Dagon? A) We've done this combination of low fitting attributes and fitting bonuses to Nos and Remote Reps to constrain some of the fitting options a available to the Dagon. We'd like to encourage Nos & Rep fits, and these bonuses do this. Its still possible to go for crazy fitting options but the trade offs are larger.
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the more you restrict choice, the worse the game becomes |
Lug Muad'Dib
Wise Humans Sword
57
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:23:57 -
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Albert Madullier wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Questions & Answers
Q)Whats with the low fitting attributes and weird fitting bonuses on the Dagon? A) We've done this combination of low fitting attributes and fitting bonuses to Nos and Remote Reps to constrain some of the fitting options a available to the Dagon. We'd like to encourage Nos & Rep fits, and these bonuses do this. Its still possible to go for crazy fitting options but the trade offs are larger.
. the more you restrict choice, the worse the game becomes
When your restrict fitting, you have to make choices, and variety is good for the game. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
227
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:29:05 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Can everyone please stop yelling at each other so we can all collectively yell about how poorly the dogon tanks??
We can all agree on that :3 Maybe it's not designed around max tank but maybe other situations that require lower raw tanking and more cap stability. |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2825
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:40:27 -
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Tara Read wrote: Unlike Goons we tend to deploy on the regular. You may have seen us a few times when you were evicted from the North? Or maybe when a certain Vendetta ate crow? What about the Rorquals almost on the daily that died to us? Naw of course not you were too busy sh@tposting here to defend your own space or your members.
Sure, but you guys didn't use titans for any of the ganks you did in Delve, and had access to keepstars in the north. Looks like you still had the option to refit them before entering combat.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2825
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:42:39 -
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I mean, I get that at the rate that your alliance loses keepstars, it may be a bit of a sour bargain to rely on it, but that's life in Eve Online, noted space-themed spreadsheet.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Juvir
Omega Nebula BattleWorks Requiem Eternal
46
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:50:21 -
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WTB more info on corpse hangars.... |
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund Goonswarm Federation
1085
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Posted - 2017.03.28 11:22:20 -
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Tara Read wrote: Unlike Goons we tend to deploy on the regular. You may have seen us a few times when you were evicted from the North? Or maybe when a certain Vendetta ate crow? What about the Rorquals almost on the daily that died to us? Naw of course not you were too busy sh@tposting here to defend your own space or your members. At any rate, any capital pilot with half a brain knows you refit IN COMBAT. You refit for certain situations and for adaptability. Not having the space to do so and use the Molok to its full potential is frankly a waste in even owning it in the first place. I know you guys are just trolling this thread for responses but really some of us here are actually pretty stoked at what CCP is releasing and want it to be well worth the investment and the risk when used.
so that's a yes on that you're rattling a tin can for a keepstar because you literally cannot bear to not have enough space to change your fit? |
Joe Barbarian
I'm fine and You aren't Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.03.28 11:49:28 -
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Tara Read wrote:So I've compiled a list of basic modules to illustrate exactly how tight the space is in regards to the Moloks fleet hangar. First we will start at 90k m3 for bare minimum refitting purposes and go from there since you need that space to refit Titan modules. This is assuming you have the following fit: x4 of either a HAW or Anti Capital class beam or pulse weapon. X1 Doomsday (can be any). And x2 Capital class nos or neuts. Mind you this is ONLY dealing with space in regards to capital sized weapons. We aren't even touching the refits you'll have with you as far as tank modules, EWAR, Charges, Fuel and other various items you would carry in a combat scenario.
1. X4 Other Energy type weapons. 4000 m3 x4: 16000 m3.
2. X1 Racial Doomsday. 8000 m3. Lets also say you use two out of the three additional Doomsday devices and carry them with you. X 2 various DD's: 16000 m3. Total 24000 m3.
3. Phenomena Generators of both races: 16000 m3.
4. X2 other faction capital Nos or Neut since we have 2 already fit: 8000 m3.
5. Jump Portal Generator: 10000 m3.
So now that we've added up just the basic capital refits for a standard scenario with NO additional items added be it EWAR or the other items listed we have a grand total of only 16000 m3 remaining, this does not include capital capacitor booster charges or capital prop modules, heavy tackle nothing. Which leaves hardly any sort of wiggle room when it comes to the Titans usability or ability to carry proper combat refits. Let us also say you wanted to do a full neut/nos combination with said titan. You would not have enough space to even consider carrying any sort of full refit.
Question: But do you really need a jump portal generator? Do you really need both Phenomena Generators? Can you not balance both the nos and neuts in the cargo depending from undocking?
After reading through this entire thread of the slap fight between you and querns you're failing to understand his point. You're trying to get your point across that you NEED this space but you are failing to explain why and degrading yourself to petty insults.
What if CCP says no will you insult them and question theirs parents sexual habbits or will you try and explain your case. Devs will read this thread and see your degrading posts and how inadequate you are at providing a suitable case to have a JF with guns.
E: I'll be honest, i'm still new to supers / titans and I spend time thinking on how I can make it all fit and what I could do with in combat and whats a luxury module for my PvE activity(s) When I go PvE I drop some of those essential PvP modules in my cargo when I PvP I drop some of these essential PvE modules. Honestly I'd love to have space for everything and turn my ship into a personal space station, but I can't and I understand why. |
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund Goonswarm Federation
1086
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:37:06 -
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maybe if you JUST CANT DECIDE WHAT TITAN FIT TO USE and it causes seven pages of rageposting just stop being poor and get two titans |
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2828
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:51:25 -
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Or a personal keepstar. Having one is cheaper than a Molok.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:53:53 -
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Have fun messing with faction caps whatever you CCP want :D Good new toyz though.
I still doubt if anyone would buy a 20b dread/fax and have some "pvp^200" fun on it. |
KillCamSpecteR
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:55:24 -
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Useless ships for 90% of the players . Faction Battlecruisers when ?
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Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:02:09 -
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KillCamSpecteR wrote:Useless ships for 90% of the players . Pirate faction Battlecruisers when ?
Faction caps are useless to EVE :) Even to those who obtain one. |
Joe Barbarian
I'm fine and You aren't Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:04:00 -
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Aleverette wrote:KillCamSpecteR wrote:Useless ships for 90% of the players . Pirate faction Battlecruisers when ? Faction caps are useless to EVE :) Even those that are existing.
Wasn't this once said about T1 capitals? |
Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:13:07 -
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Joe Barbarian wrote:Aleverette wrote:KillCamSpecteR wrote:Useless ships for 90% of the players . Pirate faction Battlecruisers when ? Faction caps are useless to EVE :) Even those that are existing. Wasn't this once said about T1 capitals?
If I have another 20b, I am pretty sure I would buy another t1 super carrier instead of a faction dread. My decision won't change over time :) |
Cristl
587
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:49:16 -
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So the titan could have 60 effective capital energy weapons. Whew. Maintain transversal! |
ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
104
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Posted - 2017.03.28 14:00:28 -
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Deleted several offensive and off-topic posts. Please be respectful guys!
ISD Chanisa Nemes
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.03.28 14:23:23 -
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Cristl wrote:So the titan could have 60 effective capital energy weapons. Whew. Maintain transversal!
Surprisingly the dps is as same as a max skill avatar :)
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3107
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Posted - 2017.03.28 14:52:53 -
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Tara Read wrote:Which leaves hardly any sort of wiggle room when it comes to the Titans usability or ability to carry proper combat refits. I think I've found your problem. CCP is on record as wanting to force people to make fitting choices prior to initiating combat instead of being easy to refit while in combat. You're complaining about a new ship not having an ability that CCP has been trying to limit.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Cristl
587
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:24:03 -
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Aleverette wrote:Cristl wrote:So the titan could have 60 effective capital energy weapons. Whew. Maintain transversal! Surprisingly the dps is as same as a max skill avatar :) Good point. Multiplying by 5 is tricky
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Tara Read
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
944
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:36:07 -
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Tappits wrote:Tara Read wrote:Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility. I shouldn't have to fandangle and jumble around a limited fleet hangar for a ship that costs 3x the amount of a regular Titan and stare at a near empty coprse bay. If Only CCP had not of made this thing Where you can dock Titans which lets you have all the refits you like and you can pick what your fit is before you undock. I cannot remember what there called but there's one Called TrumpsWall in this small northern system which you can use.
That doesn't matter in an evolving battlefield especially when you are flying something like a Molok. Depending upon a Keepstar when YOU should know this we deploy beyond and well outside of Keepstars is a terrible compromise when a ship that is bonused for capital sized nuets and nos along with two racial types of DD and Phenomenon Generators cannot carry them let alone refit in battle. If a ship is bonused for something would it not ideally be prudent to carry said modules the ship is bonused for? Only recently has CCP fixed things like that Nestor issue in terms of refitting.
The Molok is the only Titan that is specifically bonused for Capital sized Neuts and Nos with enough utility highs to use them. Carrying those extra mods is a pain. Or have you forgotten how tight it is with Fleet Hangar sizes? Saying "hurr durr we have a Keepstar" fails on two points:
1. You cannot actively engage in combat with several fittings and limits your adaptability in the field.
2. Relying upon a Keepstar to even be able to use said Ship. This also applies to ALL Titans. It would be better if CCP reduced the m3 of the DD"s and modules like the Jump Portal. It would save a lot of headache. |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
152
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:49:25 -
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Tappits wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Can everyone please stop yelling at each other so we can all collectively yell about how poorly the dogon tanks??
We can all agree on that :3 Maybe it's not designed around max tank but maybe other situations that require lower raw tanking and more cap stability.
It isn't anywhere near cap stable. That's the problem. The cycle time bonus of the remote reps means it is absolutely necessary to fit cap boosters, or something stupid like a single remote rep and 4 NOS, which will JUST about work.
As for the tank, You can get an apostle cap stable with a single faction local rep, which will likely tank as much if not more than a dogon. For like a quarter of the price.
It just makes no sense. Not as a FAX anyway. |
Siginek
BAND of MAGNUS CeskoSlovenska Aliance
23
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:12:56 -
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Mr Rive wrote:What would I personally do with it? Well, this is a start:
Amarr Carrier Bonus: 30% bonus to Energy Nosferatu drain amount, optimal range and falloff. 4% bonus to all armor resistances 5% bonus to maximum capacitor pool
Minmatar Carrier Bonus: 5% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer cycle time 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount 10% bonus to capacitor booster charge strength
Role Bonus: Can fit a Triage module Can use two Command Burst modules Energy Nosferatu fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level 90% reduction in powergrid requirements for Capital Remote Armor Repairers 90% reduction in CPU requirements for Energy Nosferatu 50% reduction in CPU requirements for Command Burst modules 200% bonus to Command Burst area of effect range 200% bonus to Logistics Drone transfer amount 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration
i dont think any faction or price can justify something this much OP ... actual faxes are way too strong alredy, and you would give this thing literally every bonsu faxes have now? those rep bonuses would double its RR power compared to other faxes, while simultaneously having immunity to can warfare thanks to booster bonuses and quite strong tank thanks to resist bonuses and 8 low slots all availabel for tank mods thanks to cap boosters ... this would be literal incarnation of OPness like EVE havent seen yet
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CCP Larrikin
C C P C C P Alliance
719
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:12:59 -
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Hi Space Friends, please check the OP, some updates have been made!
Update (2017-03-28 1610)
- Added local repair bonus to Dagon
- Reduced Corpse bays for all
Game Designer | Team Phenomenon | https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2830
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:24:40 -
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The poor corpse bay. *sniff* I'll miss your largeness, even if it was mechanically impossible to actually fill them.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
10
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:40:34 -
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Tara Read wrote:Astrid Farnsworth wrote:I know this is technical stuff but, will this ships have there own designed? Or just name and color change from other caps and fax? The models themselves will remain the same as their non faction counterparts.
Sucks, I know it take a lot of time but new ships designe would be so good. and people would go for them because they look different.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."
- Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980**strong text**
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Joe Barbarian
I'm fine and You aren't Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:51:05 -
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Aleverette wrote:Joe Barbarian wrote:Aleverette wrote:KillCamSpecteR wrote:Useless ships for 90% of the players . Pirate faction Battlecruisers when ? Faction caps are useless to EVE :) Even those that are existing. Wasn't this once said about T1 capitals? T1 caps and their faction variants are completely two business I think. If I have another 20b, I am pretty sure I would buy another t1 super carrier instead of a faction dread. My decision won't change over time :) After all, with that many years have passed, did Revenant become useful in cap battles?
I don't think you got what I meant. I've only heard rumors go going back 7-9 years back when capital battle weren't even a thing because they cost so much to build that owning one was a complete secret.
One day the same will happen to todays factions capitals, we'll throw them away like they are T1 dreadnoughts. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
227
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Posted - 2017.03.28 17:03:45 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Space Friends, please check the OP, some updates have been made! Update (2017-03-28 1610)- Added local repair bonus to Dagon
- Reduced Corpse bays for all
You Caved to Mr Rive, #2017 |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Mercenary Coalition
3176
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Posted - 2017.03.28 17:35:09 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Space Friends, please check the OP, some updates have been made! Update (2017-03-28 1610)- Added local repair bonus to Dagon
- Reduced Corpse bays for all
Riot |
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