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CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 709	Posted - 2017.03.27 14:54:03 - [1] - Quote Hi Space Friends, Blood Raider capitals are coming in the May Release. There will be a Force Auxiliary, a Dreadnought and a Titan. This post won't talk about how to acquire these powerful ships, that will come in latter communcations. However, we're very keen to get your feedback on these! Force Auxiliary: Dagon Amarr Carrier bonuses (per skill level): 30% bonus to Energy Nosferatu drain amount, optimal range and falloff Minmatar Carrier bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer cycle time Role Bonus: Can fit a Triage module Can use two Command Burst modules Energy Nosferatu fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level 90% reduction in powergrid requirements for Capital Remote Armor Repairers 90% reduction in CPU requirements for Energy Nosferatu 50% reduction in CPU requirements for Command Burst modules 200% bonus to Command Burst area of effect range 200% bonus to Logistics Drone transfer amount 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Slot layout: 6H, 4M, 8L, 3R; 0 Turrets, 0 Launchers Fittings: 660,000 PWG, 540 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 90,000 / 126,00 / 190,000 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 25 / 20 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 82,500 / 5,000s / 16.5 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 / 0.07 / 800,000,000 / 77.63s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 600 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 110km / 65 / 7 Sensor strength: 70 Radar Signature radius: 11,500 Cargo Hold: 2,400m3 Ship Maintenance Bay: 1,000,000m3 Fleet Hangar: 10,000m3 Corpse Bay: 20,000m3 Dreadnought: Chemosh Amarr Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 15% bonus to Energy Nosferatu and Energy Neutralizer drain amount Minmatar Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to Stasis Webifier optimal range Role Bonus: Can fit Siege modules Energy Nosferatu fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level 25% bonus to Capital Energy Turret damage 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Slot layout: 6H, 4M, 8L, 3R; 2 Turrets, 0 Launchers Fittings: 858,000 PWG, 715 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 118,000 / 169,000 / 169,000 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 25 / 20 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 66,000 / 4,400,000s / 15 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 80 / 0.04 / 1,290,000,000 / 71.53s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 97.5km / 85 / 7 Sensor strength: 45 Radar Signature radius: 11,800 Cargo Hold: 2,400m3 Ship Maintenance Bay: 1,000,000m3 Fleet Hangar: 10,000m3 Corpse Bay: 20,000m3 Titan: Molok Amarr Titan bonuses (per skill level): 15% bonus to Energy Nosferatu and Energy Neutralizer drain amount 6+ bonus to ship warp core strength Minmatar Titan bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to Stasis Webifier optimal range 6+ bonus to ship warp core strength Role Bonus: Can fit Doomsday devices Can fit one Phenomena Generator module Can fit Jump Portal Generator Can fit Clone Vat Bay Can use three Command Burst modules Energy Nosferatu fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level 200% bonus to Command Burst area of effect range 1400% bonus to Capital Energy Turret damage 500% bonus to Armor Plates and Shield Extenders 80% bonus to Sensor Dampener resistance 80% bonus to Weapon Disruption resistance 80% bonus to Stasis effect resistance 80% increase to Remote Electronic Assistance impedance 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Slot layout: 8H, 6M, 8L, 3R; 4 Turrets, 0 Launchers Fittings: 1,375,000 PWG, 900 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 390,000 / 950,000 / 580,000 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 25 / 20 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 145,000 / 7,500s / 19.333 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 65 / 0.03 / 2,400,000,000 / 99.81s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 250km / 70 / 8 Sensor strength: 240 Radar Signature radius: 24,800 Cargo Hold: 12,400m3 Ship Maintenance Bay: 5,000,000m3 Fleet Hangar: 100,000m3 Corpse Bay: 200,000m3 Game Designer \| Team Phenomenon \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin


CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 709	Posted - 2017.03.27 14:54:10 - [2] - Quote Reserved Game Designer \| Team Phenomenon \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

The Scanner Ganja Labs Exodus. 30	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:03:23 - [3] - Quote IM GAY AND ** SO STOP REMOVING MY POSTS OK **
Panther X High Flyers Northern Coalition. 118	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:06:50 - [4] - Quote AWESOMESAUCE CCP thank you thank you thank you thank you. My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 358	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:08:32 - [5] - Quote I was hoping for Doomday on the dread :( The nos bonus on the Fax isnt enough It needs to be 50% or 100% per level to make it properly useful
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2792	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:10:24 - [6] - Quote Man, nerf Moloks. Their corpse bay is 10 times as big as the fax and dread. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 197	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:11:00 - [7] - Quote 200k m-¦ corpse bay someone's ambitious....
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2792	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:12:17 - [8] - Quote These ships clearly need a role bonus for corpse tractor beams. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Creecher Virpio Alcoholocaust. Test Alliance Please Ignore 10	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:13:37 - [9] - Quote Why is a 90% PG reduction for remote armor reps necessary for the fax machine?
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Mercenary Coalition 3176	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:14:41 - [10] - Quote 30% on the FAX vs 15% on the others is intended? Also, is the lack of resist bonus going to make the tank somewhat weaker than the Apostle?
Winter Archipelago Autumn Industrial Enterprises 839	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:15:34 - [11] - Quote Is the mass on the Dagon a typo? It's a third lower than the mass of the existing FAXes. Clocking in under a bil also makes it able to use a number of holes that other capitals can't, won't it? For the Newbies: The 8 Golden Rules - The Magic 14 Skills - Finding the Right Corp - EVE University Wiki
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Mercenary Coalition 3176	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:15:46 - [12] - Quote Creecher Virpio wrote: Why is a 90% PG reduction for remote armor reps necessary for the fax machine? My guess is fitting numerous neut/NOS on top of the existing capital mods is a lot of fitting pressure
Explorator Delfan Gruss Harambe died for our ticks I too am gay 0	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:17:15 - [13] - Quote Rowells wrote: 30% on the FAX vs 15% on the others is intended? Also, is the lack of resist bonus going to make the tank somewhat weaker than the Apostle? it has an extra low to compensate i guess
Virtuozone Spitfire Syndicate 40	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:19:41 - [14] - Quote Looks good except that I'm a little confused why the FAX is going to be able to neut/nos so much harder than the dread? (Didn't look too much into the titan or super) Just wondering what the reasoning is for this.
boxxykiller The Big O. Badfellas Inc. 0	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:20:06 - [15] - Quote You're a couple days early for April Fools day... Member, Co-Founder, and CEO of The Big O.
Tribal Trogdor Better Off Red Unspoken Alliance. 40	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:25:26 - [16] - Quote Virtuozone wrote: Looks good except that I'm a little confused why the FAX is going to be able to neut/nos so much harder than the dread? (Didn't look too much into the titan or super) Just wondering what the reasoning is for this. Only gets a bonus to nos, not neuting
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1698	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:34:42 - [17] - Quote Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Removed a post for the above. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Umino Iruka 21	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:37:12 - [18] - Quote So...2 turret hardpoints on the dread and a 25% capital energy turret dmg role bonus....
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 358	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:41:31 - [19] - Quote The nos bonus on the Fax isnt enough, a single heavy cap booster will equal 2 capital nos. It needs to be 50% or 100% per level to
Mr Rive Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 140	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:43:11 - [20] - Quote HOKAY where do I start. You really should have someone who flies triage on the focus group mate. Basically, the dagon is garbage. What possible incentive do I have to use a ship that costs a bazillion isk, when the job it does is no better, and potentially worse, than a t1 fax? First things first. You gave it 8 lowslots. Okay fine, except the apostle has 7 low slots and a 20% bonus to resists. A t2 EANM gives you 20% bonus to resists too, except it stacks with your other resists. That means to get roughly the same resist profile on a Dagon, I have to waste the extra lowslot I have on an EANM. If my math is right, a TS capital NOS gets you around 600 cap/s. Because of the remote rep 'bonus' the dagon has, each remote rep will take approximately 400 cap/sec to run. This means that for every remote rep you use, you will need at LEAST one faction capital NOS to keep up with it. That's before someone starts neuting you. The apostle gets the same percent bonus, but for amount, meaning you're not wasting cap, but getting a very similar bonus. Cycle time is better than rep amount for triage, for several reasons. However, for those same reasons, the ninazu and lif get bonuses to cap booster amount to allow them to run their reps. The Dagon does not get this. The TL;DR of that last paragraph being, in order to reliably run its remote reps, the Dagon is still going to have to use cap boosters and cap batteries to ensure its cap stability. Next, this means, that even with the PG reduction on remote reps, adding all the NOS, cap batteries, and cap boosters, is going to mean the Dagon is still running low on powergrid regardless. This makes fitting a third local repper very difficult. Why is this important? Well... A 7 lowslot apostle with a 20% native resist bonus is going to tank just as well as an 8 lowslot bazillion isk faction FAX. But it gets worse. Lifs tank WAY more than an apostle, admittedly with an expensive fit. That expensive fit costs about 4b. Which is obviously going to be way less than what the Dagon is likely to cost. On top of that, a lif can rep both shields AND armor. Which brings me onto my next point. The Dagon only gets a single bonus to remote transfers, when each other FAX gets two. We do use remote capacitor transmitters on minokawas and apostles, it allows us to remain on the field much longer. The NOS cannot do that. They don't transfer enough capacitor to you for you to be remotely confident your cap can be stable. So basically, the Dagon tanks like an apostle, has less versatility than an apostle, doesn't cap as efficiently as an apostle, has to use more capital mods than the apostle to work, is far more expensive than an apostle, and has a bright red 'shoot me im expensive' mark tatooed on it's hull. I haven't even mentioned the fact that you can get a 2b fit ninazu, including hull cost, to tank more than it. Basically, with the bonuses it's given, you're just giving the enemy a big target to shoot. It provides ZERO measurable bonus to the fleet it is in compared to a much cheaper ship. What would I personally do with it? Well, this is a start: Amarr Carrier Bonus: 30% bonus to Energy Nosferatu drain amount, optimal range and falloff. 4% bonus to all armor resistances 5% bonus to maximum capacitor pool Minmatar Carrier Bonus: 5% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer cycle time 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount 10% bonus to capacitor booster charge strength Role Bonus: Can fit a Triage module Can use two Command Burst modules Energy Nosferatu fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level 90% reduction in powergrid requirements for Capital Remote Armor Repairers 90% reduction in CPU requirements for Energy Nosferatu 50% reduction in CPU requirements for Command Burst modules 200% bonus to Command Burst area of effect range 200% bonus to Logistics Drone transfer amount 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration All other FAX get FOUR (count them) FOUR faction carrier bonuses. Is it really that unreasonble to expect a carrier which gets two different races worth of bonuses to get three per race? This would allow the Dagon to tank better than its counterparts, but only marginally. It gains the rep amount of the lif, and the cycle time. It gets the cap pool bonus and resist bonus of the apostle. The NOS bonus would be as per the style of the ship, and still useful, but not a crutch. It then gets the boost charge strength to offset the cycle time bonus applied by the lif's bonuses. It has 8 actual lowslots, instead of seven, plus the EANM to beef its resist profile up. If I had to estimate how much this ship would tank, not having the PYFA thingy plugged in, I think a reasonable estimate would be around 120k with an ancil repper. This would put it about on par with a fully pimped lif. I really don't think that is unreasonable. As it is, someone would be OUT OF THEIR GOD DAMNED MIND to buy one. It has to be at least appealing to a true FAX pilot, otherwise what is the point of adding it to the game?
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 358	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:46:26 - [21] - Quote @mr rive Your math is off. maxed skill the capital nos will get 2000 capacitor per 20 seconds. so its actually 100 cap/s
MuraSaki Siki Fuxi Legion Fraternity. 67	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:46:51 - [22] - Quote Dreadnought: Chemosh Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 66,000 / 4,400,000s / 15 i've believed that some typo here, or does it mean it draining someone cap is a must??
Mr Rive Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 140	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:47:13 - [23] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Questions & Answers Q)Whats with the low fitting attributes and weird fitting bonuses on the Dagon? A) We've done this combination of low fitting attributes and fitting bonuses to Nos and Remote Reps to constrain some of the fitting options a available to the Dagon. We'd like to encourage Nos & Rep fits, and these bonuses do this. Its still possible to go for crazy fitting options but the trade offs are larger. Q)Is the 30% bonus on the FAX vs 15% on the others is intended? A) Yes, it is! The 30% bonus only applies to Nos's, not neuts. This is simmilar to the bonuses on the Rabisu. You're not encouraging people to fit NOS and rep fits. You are FORCING them to. And even then, it doesn't tank as much as a pimp lif which costs WAY less. You're still going to have to fit cap boosters and cap batteries. The ship really won't tank any more than the apostle, because you haven't given it ANY, literally ANY local repping bonus. If you want to incentivise people to properly local tank on it, give it an armor rep bonus. At least then I could understand your decision. As it is, there really is no point to buying the thing. And you know me, if it was at all better than a normal FAX, I would seriously consider getting one.

CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 709	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:48:05 - [24] - Quote Umino Iruka wrote: So...2 turret hardpoints on the dread and a 25% capital energy turret dmg role bonus.... Oops, thats a typo. its 3 turret hardpoints. Game Designer \| Team Phenomenon \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Mr Rive Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 140	Posted - 2017.03.27 15:57:23 - [25] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: @mr rive Your math is off. maxed skill the capital nos will get 2000 capacitor per 20 seconds. so its actually 100 cap/s Yes but the Dagon gets a 150% bonus. My math is terrible, but either way, the nos cannot be used to run the remote reps at all reliably, given the cycle time bonus the Dagon gets.
Salvator Ambraelle Tritanium Industries and Technology Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:01:45 - [26] - Quote Inb4 Active Dagon
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 358	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:02:35 - [27] - Quote BTW, the games 1000 item stack limitation limits each to 1000 corpses... 2,000 m3 max
Creecher Virpio Alcoholocaust. Test Alliance Please Ignore 10	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:03:45 - [28] - Quote Mr Rive wrote: Ncc 1709 wrote: @mr rive Your math is off. maxed skill the capital nos will get 2000 capacitor per 20 seconds. so its actually 100 cap/s Yes but the Dagon gets a 150% bonus. My math is terrible, but either way, the nos cannot be used to run the remote reps at all reliably, given the cycle time bonus the Dagon gets. 0 cap stability is nothing new to fax machines. You still have mid slots just like the apostle does, and you get the nos bonus
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 358	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:05:15 - [29] - Quote Creecher Virpio wrote: Mr Rive wrote: Ncc 1709 wrote: @mr rive Your math is off. maxed skill the capital nos will get 2000 capacitor per 20 seconds. so its actually 100 cap/s Yes but the Dagon gets a 150% bonus. My math is terrible, but either way, the nos cannot be used to run the remote reps at all reliably, given the cycle time bonus the Dagon gets. 0 cap stability is nothing new to fax machines. You still have mid slots just like the apostle does, and you get the nos bonus its no where near enough to make up for its cost and its poor at everything that fax's do because the bonus isnt enough
Boombeczka University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:06:12 - [30] - Quote Q: how much are those will be expected to cost in mineral with current mineral prices? Q: with assumption that those will be super expensive to build(like serpentis ones), are those going to have unique hull models or just a copies like vehement/vendetta/vanquisher?

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