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Boobaker	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:27:00 - [31] maybe. Hope we will never have to find out.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:29:00 - [32] As much as it hurts. RF and Shrike are the ones I agree with here.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Shrike As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. And what about those that you are bumping out of the shield while /in/ ships eh? meta game away... SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Myz Toyou Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Shrike As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. So you say that these guys should all dock there ships in array as soon as they go into POS force field ??? LOL is all that I could say ! CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:11:00 - [35] Originally by: x bunny Isn't ramming a valid and known naval tactic ? Why it should be considered an exploit ? Because its not about the ramming nitwit. Its about being able to get into a protective bubble no ship should be able to penetrate except when they have the password or after they bash it down with a dreadfleet. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Shrike As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. Ok, let's totally leave out the fact that the use of SMA's is rather borked atm because of the cargo/CHA mechanics.... Bowling is equally effective - and used - against piloted ships. POS's are meant to be areas that are (relatively) safe. The (relatively) part of this equation is already taken care of by the fact that they can be destroyed. There is no reason why hostile ships should be allowed into POS shields for any amount of time, nor any reason why they should have an effect on ships inside the shields.
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:55:00 - [37] This is possibly the lamest tactic ever...
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Cadiz Originally by: Sokratesz Can people stop saying 'use maint. array'? Its used to gain an unfair advantage, so its a sploit, period. It's a permissible exploit, if that's the case. Multiple and consistent (!!) GM rulings and all that. Yes, GM rulings can actually be consistent sometimes; I once thought it impossible too. And it will probably continue to be a permissible exploit right up until the day where they patch in a way to make POS bowling impossible to do, so in the meanwhile you'll just have to cope however you can. I think it sucks too, but hey, welcome to EVE and whatnot. Quote: The following exploits were addressed in the Revelations 1.3 Patch Deployment: * It is no longer possible to steal from a Starbase using a Carrier / Mothership / Titan. - attribution http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=111 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:02:00 - [39] Originally by: x bunny Isn't ramming a valid and known naval tactic ? Why it should be considered an exploit ? ramming usualy incurs damage on both parties involved, and naval ships dont have a forcefield around them.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Shrike As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. Well, Titan pilots are somehow 12/15, rest of Eve is 5373464346344353 people so... Please stop ? ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:22:00 - [41] "So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger." You are asking for solutions to two different problems Molle. The problem of knocking out "unmanned" ships is really not much of a big deal since as you point out and others, use the ship array. Fine. The second and more pressing issue is slow moving but occupied ships that can be bounced out to a waiting Mothership or a currently sieging dred fleet. Ship array's are meaningless for this situation. It is only a matter of time as more of the super capitals find their way into space that the tactics will be honed for bouncing out battleships and capitals that are trying to defend a POS to a science. Honestly though, don't you think the act is just petty? Oh yea, my solution would be to change the collision detection "check" to the POS forcefield vs the POS. I am sure since they haven't done it yet it would be yet another nightmare for POS code but it would fix it.
ta tula	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:55:00 - [42] so wait.. let me get this right.. people are whining that their unoccupied ships are getting bumped out of a bubble? or are they occupied? tbh if theyre unoccupied then you damn well deserve to lose capships to bowling.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:08:00 - [43] It works whether the ship is occupied or not. And of course BoB is so disappointed by this, they tag team and use 2 titans to ram the POS, along with a sniper fleet sitting 150KM away. I'm sure they're just "trying to convince CCP to fix it" though. I know they aren't the only ones participating, but they are definitely making every attempt to take full advantage of it. It one thing when a pilot or two takes part, but when you have an entire fleet standing by watching this happen, its sickening IMO. It's like jet can baiting day old noobs in high sec. It might be amusing the first few times, but after that you just feel dirty about it. -------------------------------------
Atreus Minmatarius Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:15:00 - [44] good old bob, never disapoints what i say is my own opinion and does not represent any entity other than myself
C4R3B34R Amarr Captial Productions Unlimited	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:22:00 - [45] Edited by: C4R3B34R on 07/05/2007 16:19:18 Thats funny! Sad thing is, if it wasn't BoD doing it, it'd be an exploit. Way to go on finding another way to kill the game! AFAIK this is an exploit, a cheap way to use game mechanics to bypass sa***uards put forth to defend pos's and the stuff that are inside them. CCP should do something about this, and soon! Safe guard is caught by the filters!?!?! -----------------------------------------------
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:23:00 - [46] Edited by: Exortius Amarrus on 07/05/2007 16:21:37 Speaking on game lore, it doesn't seem too terribly far-fetched to think that a ship as large as a Titan or Mothership would have the mass and shield strength to pass through the shields of a POS briefly. Is it really that ridiculous? I've seen the vids, and while i'm not sure that's what the developers intended, i don't feel like i'm watching anything too crazy. But hey, that's just me. Also, ship maintanence arrays ftw. You're within your rights to argue about this on forums, but please actually try and do something about it while you argue. Use the damn arrays. ------------------------
Raketefrau Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:32:00 - [47] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Or, maybe... nah, this is silly Have a ship maint. array.. and emmm use it! Thats what they are for. Here's the situation: You're in a corp that lives out of a POS. There are daily incursions of hostiles into your system, griefing your miners. Hostiles arrive, call goes out, "Attack in belt 5-3!" Everyone rushes to the POS Everyone argues over who gets to use the maint array first. "Get back 3500m!" "My turn!" "Come on, hurry up!" "Crap, I still have to get all my ammo!" It's ridiculous. There's a very good reason why people leave combat ships floating in POSes. It's because when the alarm goes out, you need a ship at-the-ready, not a line forming at the maint arrays, then a swarm at the hangar array. The fact of the matter is, if you leave something in a POS shield, it should be safe. I don't understand why there's such an argument around it, except for "we don't feel like fixing it."
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:42:00 - [48] ship arrays need fixing, it's more than annoyance that you can put a ship into the array as long as it has anything (like AMMO maybe) in the cargohold ________ we bring the fun in funeral
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:47:00 - [49] By definition an exploit is taking advantage of a situation in which the exploiter has a marginal gain through means that aren't intended. So let's think about this for a second, what's the point of a POS shield? To keep enemy ships out as well as protect you from enemy fire. How is this being exploited then? Not only are people using this 'bowling' tactic to get IN to POS shields, they're also using it to destroy enemy ships or steal them. The fundamental aspect that makes this an exploit, above all the side factors of losing ships is that someone is ENTERING a POS shield when they should not be allowed. In my honest opinion, the dev's are probably looking at this mechanic and going 'oh ****!'. Meanwhile they're playing it off as if everything is fine and working as intended. My guess is the problem in the games physics is too hard to fix in a prompt manner so they'll play it off until they're closer to knowing why their system is messed up. You could imagine of course how bad it would be for them if they admitted it was a bug and couldn't fix it fast, right? They'd have petitions coming out their ass to replace all the ships that have been lost to this exploit. And what would be the main problem with that is, how do you prove through game logs that your ship was bumped out of a POS field and then stolen or destroyed? Yeah, exactly, a GM's nightmare. My suggestion would be of two things; 1. Everyone exploit the hell out of this, so it becomes a big issue. and 2. If you don't want to lose a ship to this, don't park it in a POS shield thinking it's safe. What else can you do when the powers that be, say; "Nothing to see here, move along!". __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus Also, ship maintanence arrays ftw. You're within your rights to argue about this on forums, but please actually try and do something about it while you argue. Use the damn arrays. Try reading the thread before hitting the reply button. -------------------------------------
CaPsA Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:27:00 - [51] Stop with the Shipyard maintenance blabla ... Now when you defend your POS underfire, don't go in, you will be bump and killed ... You just have to look at its destruction if you have a covert ... In the video, all the ships was with pilots. Please stop to tell ouinnnn ouinn you lost your ship because you leave it alone in forcefield ... Well i have an idea , When you have to defend your POS, stay in pods near the tower with yours pvp ships docked, and be ready to board it when the shield is coming down ... Seems to be THE SOLUTION, isn't it CCP ??? ... CCP you have to fix some problems quickly ! CaPsA
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:28:00 - [52] Originally by: C4R3B34R Edited by: C4R3B34R on 07/05/2007 16:19:18 Thats funny! Sad thing is, if it wasn't BoD doing it, it'd be an exploit. Way to go on finding another way to kill the game! AFAIK this is an exploit, a cheap way to use game mechanics to bypass sa*uards put forth to defend pos's and the stuff that are inside them. CCP should do something about this, and soon! Safe guard is caught by the filters!?!?! ahoy idiot everyone with a supercap is doing this not just BoB. TBH i would do it to if i was in a mom cause it's rather hilarious. Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
Serapis Aote Minmatar TBC TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:33:00 - [53] Some things in this game are just getting stupid. Supercapitals are just making the stupid things even more retarded. Anyone that sees this going on and doesnt think its an idiotic game mechanic needs to really try to figure out why. Is it funny? yes, should it be in the game, NO.
X0TPO534 Old School Players	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:51:00 - [54] Edited by: X0TPO534 on 07/05/2007 18:49:08 Originally by: CaPsA Stop with the Shipyard maintenance blabla ... Now when you defend your POS underfire, don't go in, you will be bump and killed ... You just have to look at its destruction if you have a covert ... In the video, all the ships was with pilots. Please stop to tell ouinnnn ouinn you lost your ship because you leave it alone in forcefield ... Well i have an idea , When you have to defend your POS, stay in pods near the tower with yours pvp ships docked, and be ready to board it when the shield is coming down ... Seems to be THE SOLUTION, isn't it CCP ??? ... CCP you have to fix some problems quickly ! CaPsA I can't understand why ppl talk about this in CAOD. You guys need to stop whining here and get some kills imo. I salute goons and intrepids that defend frontlines. RA whoring complexes (soon nerfed \o/) and TCF sitting at a pos, frapsing and crying in CAOD about a game issue do not deserve any respect. Go get titans, go get motherships, go get cap ships and fight like men. Anyways, last TCF I killed a week ago in lowsec havent posted his loss yet, this is a more important issue to me. Edit: spelling. ________________________________________________ Killing **** since 2K3.
CaPsA Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:10:00 - [55] Originally by: X0TPO534 Edited by: X0TPO534 on 07/05/2007 18:49:08 Originally by: CaPsA Stop with the Shipyard maintenance blabla ... Now when you defend your POS underfire, don't go in, you will be bump and killed ... You just have to look at its destruction if you have a covert ... In the video, all the ships was with pilots. Please stop to tell ouinnnn ouinn you lost your ship because you leave it alone in forcefield ... Well i have an idea , When you have to defend your POS, stay in pods near the tower with yours pvp ships docked, and be ready to board it when the shield is coming down ... Seems to be THE SOLUTION, isn't it CCP ??? ... CCP you have to fix some problems quickly ! CaPsA I can't understand why ppl talk about this in CAOD. You guys need to stop whining here and get some kills imo. I salute goons and intrepids that defend frontlines. RA whoring complexes (soon nerfed \o/) and TCF sitting at a pos, frapsing and crying in CAOD about a game issue do not deserve any respect. Go get titans, go get motherships, go get cap ships and fight like men. Anyways, last TCF I killed a week ago in lowsec havent posted his loss yet, this is a more important issue to me. Edit: spelling. It's only my personnal opinion guy, please don't take what i said as an official annoucement of my alliance ... So boring, do you want I write a beautifull disclaimer each post I made ?? ... Anyway you killed a TCF clap clap clap ... It's not about this thread, make a battle report in a new thread if you are so proud about it Back to subject please :) Les titans c'est taboo on en viendra tous a bou ! Enjoy the game ! CaPsA
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:27:00 - [56] Who gives a **** CCP will just make that a feature. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:24:00 - [57] Originally by: Dal Thrax Originally by: Cadiz Originally by: Sokratesz Can people stop saying 'use maint. array'? Its used to gain an unfair advantage, so its a sploit, period. It's a permissible exploit, if that's the case. Multiple and consistent (!!) GM rulings and all that. Yes, GM rulings can actually be consistent sometimes; I once thought it impossible too. And it will probably continue to be a permissible exploit right up until the day where they patch in a way to make POS bowling impossible to do, so in the meanwhile you'll just have to cope however you can. I think it sucks too, but hey, welcome to EVE and whatnot. Quote: The following exploits were addressed in the Revelations 1.3 Patch Deployment: * It is no longer possible to steal from a Starbase using a Carrier / Mothership / Titan. - attribution http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=111 We tried that line of argument when it happened to us, in fact. GMs still shot it down. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:06:00 - [58] Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Torm Ilmater No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:30:00 - [59] Originally by: Murukan ahoy snip everyone with a supercap is doing this not just BoB. I'll have to repeat what Cadiz said. You can do it in ANY capital ship (not just supercap ships). With regular capitals it's slightly harder against a large POS but against smaller POSes it's very viable.
Tobruk Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:40:00 - [60] Just consider how unrealistic the whole idea of "bumping" is in the first place. real objects don't have perfectly elastic collisions (for my physics grads out there). Especially if they are billion ton space objects slamming into each other at 100s of KM a second. The whole thing is just absurd. then throw in a pos, which has a shield with a password and is designed to protect ships and it achieves a whole new level ridiculousness. Granted, ccp seems hell bent on allowing Titans to ruin the game but if they intend to win another gaphics award in 2007-2008 then they should probly fix this. but never fear, as soon as some other alliance bowls it will become an exploit and be fixed. ---------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -HornFrog (mods@ccpga

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