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Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:08:00 - [121] Edited by: Baun on 09/05/2007 00:07:05 Rebellion, your entire post is just a way to qualify a ridiculously stupid and unintended game mechanic. None of what you say is an argument for its legitimacy just an apology for its stupidity and an attempt to undercut the reason people complain about it instead of addressing how completely retarded it is. There are many problems with POS warfare but none of them makes bowling an invulnerable ship the size of the POS into the POS a legitimate way to play the game. No one can stop you from doing this and the GMs have already said that they won't stop you. So, if you are going to do it just do it and be quiet about it. You don't need to be lame and simultaneously insult the intelligence of every person who plays this game by trying to qualify your lameness. This goes for everyone who does it. I don't care if they are in D2 or if they are in BoB or if they are my best and oldest friend in EVE. This tactic is wrong and it makes a mockery of the game. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Niobe Farstar Synergetic Tactics SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:15:00 - [122] Originally by: turnschuh bumping? dd dont kill cap ships? there are other capital ships to kill aswell? some people have way to mutch fear of titans. A propper setup trap could easly pull something like that off. DDs don't kill cap ships, but they do clear any obstruction to the Titan jumping out, therefore a Titan can't be trapped unless it's owner logs off or screws up (by not having an escape cyno ready).
turnschuh Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:30:00 - [123] Originally by: Niobe Farstar Originally by: turnschuh bumping? dd dont kill cap ships? there are other capital ships to kill aswell? some people have way to mutch fear of titans. A propper setup trap could easly pull something like that off. DDs don't kill cap ships, but they do clear any obstruction to the Titan jumping out, therefore a Titan can't be trapped unless it's owner logs off or screws up (by not having an escape cyno ready). Im not arguing with you about how titans "cant be trapped" (aka "cant be killed") [2 are dead allready]. Just one note: The owner did allready screw up when doing pos "bowling". people just dont realise the opportunity they been giving.
D1ck Jones Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:53:00 - [124] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: ED 209 bob:1 cryalition:0 It's geat how their posts have gone from 'We'll own delve by June', to 'waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ccp waaaaaaaaaaaa'. Is it just me or are the former ASCN guys posting in all the bob related threads past bitter and approaching stalker level? You mean why we dont do it with alts like you? - Gob Happy now? How about you guys find a new avenue for your excuse-train. choo-choo and stuff
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.05.09 04:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Shrike As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. how about instead of them having to fix it you just dont do it? not because your forced to but because you know its "broken..borked" and you want to have people come fight you. called respect for your opponents, yes i know i know, respect is earned blah blah, but you also want people to fight you right? this whole war is what you wanted, if you employ tactics that are shady and broken what invasions and large fights in the future can you honestly expect? its fine that you play to win, so do i but using tactics such as this isnt the way to do it nor will ever actually alow you to win. sure your going to "win" this war thats evident to anyone who has 1 eye, but there will always be "ands"...you will never be able to just say "we won this war because we are better pvp'rs" you will only be able to say "we won this war because we are better pvp'rs and we cheated". oh ya, and fit a cloak. problem solved.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:03:00 - [126] Originally by: Captain Thunk Because the people involved understand the rules implicitly. CAPTAIN THUNK Sir, on this issue, you are so wrong. Exploits are targeted BECAUSE lots of people end up employing them to their advantage at the expense of others'. It's not because a 'small' bug gets used to a few players advantage. In Ex., 'bowling' will get nerfed because the lost ships from this tactic cost a whole bunch and happen in an important context where those ships could have a real impact. If my Atron could make an extra 50k isk an hour because I could target an extra npc in my tutorial missions, no one would care (and really, rightly so). Most importantly though, if people understood the 'rules implicitly', we wouldn't be having as many discussions of this type. Just as 'bowling' is a funny but lame and costly exploit, so too was multiple mwds back in the day, nano-BS's, or 100's of python mines on the gate-warp-in points. How many of those exist now in the same form they did before? Think a moment WHY they don't... m'kay? I guess you could also keep ganking guys in Jita when they take 45 secs to resolve during undock... but, doesn't that also seem lame to you as well as me? Smelling an exploit basically means exploit (to me). Maybe you're different. We're all gamers here, m8. Indeed we are playing an MMO; maybe we should act like gamers playing an MMO. Other people exist, and perhaps I should think of the integrity of the game at times before I think of my goals. This is one of those issues, m8. Maybe I'm insane.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:16:00 - [127] Originally by: Mr Friendly Originally by: Captain Thunk Because the people involved understand the rules implicitly. CAPTAIN THUNK Sir, on this issue, you are so wrong. Exploits are targeted BECAUSE lots of people end up employing them to their advantage at the expense of others'. It's not because a 'small' bug gets used to a few players advantage. In Ex., 'bowling' will get nerfed because the lost ships from this tactic cost a whole bunch and happen in an important context where those ships could have a real impact. If my Atron could make an extra 50k isk an hour because I could target an extra npc in my tutorial missions, no one would care (and really, rightly so). Most importantly though, if people understood the 'rules implicitly', we wouldn't be having as many discussions of this type. Just as 'bowling' is a funny but lame and costly exploit, so too was multiple mwds back in the day, nano-BS's, or 100's of python mines on the gate-warp-in points. How many of those exist now in the same form they did before? Think a moment WHY they don't... m'kay? I guess you could also keep ganking guys in Jita when they take 45 secs to resolve during undock... but, doesn't that also seem lame to you as well as me? Smelling an exploit basically means exploit (to me). Maybe you're different. We're all gamers here, m8. Indeed we are playing an MMO; maybe we should act like gamers playing an MMO. Other people exist, and perhaps I should think of the integrity of the game at times before I think of my goals. This is one of those issues, m8. Maybe I'm insane. If you've quite finished... I was referring to the rules that bind CCP and GMs not game mechanics and rules. If you know you cannot be banned for it because the GMs are in no position to declare it an exploit then you have nothing to fear in doing it if you're of a mindset to push such things. As I said, there is no way for a GM looking at a petition of an event that's passed to determine if the ship was bounced out of the forcefield or if it was moved by a more legitimate mechanism. This is what I meant - the actual definition of 'exploit' has nothing to do with what occurs ingame, because if there is no litmus test to determine if the 'exploit' was used then the GMs have absolutely no choice but to declare it legitimate and hope that it doesn't become public knowledge while the devs get to work fixing it. In this case, if GMs made it an official exploit they'd have to return many ships lost around POSs and give players the benefit of the doubt as there are no server logs for when bowling occurs. Passive targetting...bowling...it's a continuous trend, something else will no doubt replace bowling once it's been fixed. I concurr absolutely with your opinion on the game, but many don't - they will and do anything to "win" - the integrity of the game means nothing to them. CAPTAIN THUNK See this hook? variable speed and five alternate attatchments baby.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.09 09:37:00 - [128] Edited by: Mr Friendly on 09/05/2007 09:38:45 Originally by: Captain Thunk If you've quite finished... I was referring to the rules that bind CCP and GMs not game mechanics and rules. If you know you cannot be banned for it because the GMs are in no position to declare it an exploit then you have nothing to fear in doing it if you're of a mindset to push such things. As I said, there is no way for a GM looking at a petition of an event that's passed to determine if the ship was bounced out of the forcefield or if it was moved by a more legitimate mechanism. This is what I meant - the actual definition of 'exploit' has nothing to do with what occurs ingame, because if there is no litmus test to determine if the 'exploit' was used then the GMs have absolutely no choice but to declare it legitimate and hope that it doesn't become public knowledge while the devs get to work fixing it. In this case, if GMs made it an official exploit they'd have to return many ships lost around POSs and give players the benefit of the doubt as there are no server logs for when bowling occurs. Passive targetting...bowling...it's a continuous trend, something else will no doubt replace bowling once it's been fixed. I concurr absolutely with your opinion on the game, but many don't - they will and do anything to "win" - the integrity of the game means nothing to them. CAPTAIN THUNK hehe, I haven't quite finished ;P In part, my ire arises because GM's haven't been consistent on this issue (and prob won't be 100% consistent). Even the patch notes obliquely mention this. Yet the problem remains. Further, we have seen no consistemt CCP reponse to this. Frankly, I'd expect a 'yay or nay' post on CCp's part until they can adress this in an official patch. Something like, 'okay, this is stupid, but it's okay till we can correct it' or 'crap no, you'll all be banzorred if we see it' . After all, it's not chicken scatch that's being ping-ponged out of POS's. I agree with you about the 'rules and regs that bind' bit... but how does anyone know about this sort of thing unless people talk about it? Further, how do problems get fixed, unless people SQUACK about them? That's MY point. In MMO's, that's your 'litmus test'... forum *****ing VS in-game rules. Right now, on this issue, it's out of wack. Anyways, cheers.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.05.09 09:59:00 - [129] Obviously we can only speculate on the GM inconsistency, my take would be something along the lines of: GM > Well, obviously this isn't meant to happen and these people are obviously exploiting it to the max for their own advantage Senior GM > Yep. But there's jack all we can do about it, devs are working on the problem their end but it's extremely complex for them to fix and if rushed could lead to more problems. We'll rule that it's legitimate as we can't stop them doing it - these are high up members of the community, hopefully they won't shaft the game for us and stop. There does appear to be some slight policy change, again I'm just speculating here. I remember when people could leave the local channel at will through an accidental bug, it was fixed promptly but as there was no way to see if people were exploiting the bug it was ruled legitimate until the patch. Difference was that each and every forum thread that mentioned it was deleted to try and contain knowledge of the legitimate exploit - as a result many were unaware of it and so lost ships in low sec and 0.0 which of course couldn't be petitioned for back. I think it's fair to say CCP doesn't discuss it's policys and decision making processes precisely because they don't want people to exploit their own rules against them. I think CCP would be better off sucking half these alliances into a great big black hole deleting their characters and assets in the process. The game would be much better for it. I'm sure Amarrian astromers using a powerful telescope focussed onto the heart of the black hole would find the goatse picture or something as the legacy they left behind. CAPTAIN THUNK See this hook? variable speed and five alternate attatchments baby.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:22:00 - [130] Originally by: Baun I really don't care who is doing this, it is probably the lamest thing in the history of EVE. It seems like my internal hyperbole alarm should be going off ... but it is not. I cannot think of anything lamer than taking advantage of the relative invulnerability of super capitals in order to steal or otherwise render destructible ships that were intentionally placed in an area that cannot be accessed without being directly attacked. I also don't see how anyone can defend doing this from a "health of the game" standpoint. The only leg people have to stand on is that they won't be banned for doing this. That shouldn't be enough for some people, but sadly it is. I dunno, those muppets who set off that Shuttle bomb in Jita were pretty fuggin retarded. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:33:00 - [131] Quote: Also, if you people started piloting these ships instead of leaving them at a POS, where they don't do anything anyway, we wouldn't have these issues. "These issues" are caused by your alliance, which is infamous for cheating and exploiting. Don't blame the rest of Eve in an attempt to cover for the completely lame way in which you and your Titan pilots play the game. _________________________________________________________
Kruzenshtern Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:27:00 - [132] We had some ships stolen by Chowdown and his cheater crew that way from our alliance, and I had a long entertaining petition-based chat with GMs about it, which was concluded by the confirmation that indeed this is not an exploit. The wording of conclusion, even though I cannot disclose it for obvious reasons, left no doubt that the current state of thought in CCP does not consider creating game-designer sanctioned and directed cheating to be a problem, in fact (this is a projection of mine, not based on any specific words from above) we can safely assume more of those are coming our way. This, combined with the lack of realization that involving game developers heavily in the gameplay without balancing their involvement between various sides of the game has visibly skewed the developers' understanding and feeling of direction, is manifesting itself in such things as the current POS warfare modification proposal. Good luck sawing that branch you sit on. P.S. No, you can't have our stuff.
Massao Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:54:00 - [133] Originally by: Kruzenshtern P.S. No, you can't have our stuff. Quite obviously, seeing as we've already stolen it.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.09 13:08:00 - [134] Originally by: Massao Originally by: Kruzenshtern P.S. No, you can't have our stuff. Quite obviously, seeing as we've already stolen it. See thats the problem with the whole GIANT WAR thing. Missing respect, Shrike points out that its broken but he and his SuperCaps do it, to win. Not using anything you coulde have used (metagaming/exploting/Spying) is not a sign of being weak, but a sign that its still a game where anyone should have fun, probally for some ppl wining=fun notWininf!=notfun. Anyhow Bob doenst care what other think of them, but when they realy love the game, what some pretend i dont get why you always use such rotten tricks. U know how good you are, most of the other entieties cant stand you even when not using all of that stuff u used to do.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.05.09 13:08:00 - [135] Originally by: Massao Originally by: Kruzenshtern P.S. No, you can't have our stuff. Quite obviously, seeing as we've already stolen it. Lolz, that's the spirit. hey, can you guys put those sigs back...you know...the ones that said "hey guys we cheat and there's nothing you can do about it" or something. I found them really funny. Nearly as funny as that guy at ccp who was caught cheating and changed his personal page to "get a clue" when said clue had just been delivered in sql db format, something he's qualified to read. All this 0.0 stuff sounds really fantastic and fun, one day I may send an alt to go look. CAPTAIN THUNK See this hook? variable speed and five alternate attatchments baby.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:09:00 - [136] Originally by: Massao Originally by: Kruzenshtern P.S. No, you can't have our stuff. Quite obviously, seeing as we've already stolen it. "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". That quote sums up why BoB members should still stfu on the forum. You never seem to quite understand that you don't do your rep any good with this idiotic stuff. ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:25:00 - [137] Originally by: Tobruk Originally by: Gant Stryker Edited by: Exortius Amarrus on 07/05/2007 16:21:37 Speaking on game lore, it doesn't seem too terribly far-fetched to think that a ship as large as a Titan or Mothership would have the mass and shield strength to pass through the shields of a POS briefly. Is it really that ridiculous? I've seen the vids, and while i'm not sure that's what the developers intended, i don't feel like i'm watching anything too crazy. But hey, that's just me. And instantaneous deceleration will do no damage to the ramming ship.... I have no problem with POS bowling if the ball comes up with appropriate sized knicks in it. the fact that your speculating on weather an imaginary space object (titan) could pass through an imaginary force field (shield) neither of which the composition is known and then further speculate that it would be reasonable only if it were "briefly" makes me think that yes, it is really that ridiculous. i would base your argument instead on features. Bottom line: pos shields were not intended to be breached, titan blowing breaches pos shields. there is one of two fixes as i see it. 1) it is made an exploit (most reasonable solution) or 2) more than one person can use a ship maint array at once and ships can keep ammo in cargo. further, what would you have the game to if the rammer wasnt "massive enough" or had enough "sheild power" (whatever sheild power is)? would it explode? We're discussing a space ship on the internet, what part of this isn't ridiculous? I'm not a developer nor do i know the first thing about game design, thus pointed questions about "what i would have the game do" are really pointless. I simply can't envision a ship the size of a Titan coming out at high speed and just bouncing off the shields of a small POS. That would probably be the only thing funnier then this POS bowling. Cheers ------------------------
Speed Burnout GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:31:00 - [138] I used to run a game server. Part of my website for the game server was a page full of server rules. It clearly spelled out what would get you banned. From time to time people would find ways around the rules or new exploits. I would then update the server rules to fix the new problems. I think that it would be nice if CCP would host a server rules page. This way we would all know what is not allowed and there would be less petitions. -------------------------------------------- We've secretly replaced their dilithium crystals with new Folgers crystals. Now let's watch them go to warp!
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:46:00 - [139] Edited by: Saladin on 09/05/2007 15:43:45 To be honest this belongs in the Starbase thread, not the CAOD forums. What is happening with this issue is people are exploiting the mechanic CCP uses to keep people out of a bubble to bump static ships out as well. The whiners saying fit a ship maintenance array... I am sorry it does not have infinite space. The risk here is that ships out in the pos bubble can be stolen by corp mates or people with the password, or when the pos destroyed. They should not be at risk from someone stupidly bouncing against a POS when he knows he cannot get entry. Its like having a door to your house that bounces a theif around inside, allowing him to knock something out of the house before being ejected himself. Anyone to undertakes this kind of activity is a human pig in need of electro-shock therapy. Just like the people who shoot cans or light smartbombs to engage an aggro timer. ----
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus We're discussing a space ship on the internet, what part of this isn't ridiculous? I'm not a developer nor do i know the first thing about game design, thus pointed questions about "what i would have the game do" are really pointless. I simply can't envision a ship the size of a Titan coming out at high speed and just bouncing off the shields of a small POS. That would probably be the only thing funnier then this POS bowling. You should watch high speed barrier impact tests then. It displays pretty much what SHOULD happen when, say, a tractor-trailer at 70mph... hits a moderately reinforced barricade. Then think envision it again. And if CCP does something like that, they should just implement it with zero warning, and zero notification. It's ridiculous. Everyone knows it's ridiculous. Even the ones doing it know it is. Yet they still abuse it to gain an edge. Glad to see the true colors of a large entity that touts itself as having been built on "honor" and "skill". Fubar
Karosiak	Posted - 2007.05.09 15:55:00 - [141] Originally by: Fubarski Glad to see the true colors of a large entity that touts itself as having been built on "honor" and "skill". ??? I don't think RA built themselves on honor and skill tbh.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.09 16:34:00 - [142] Originally by: Saladin Edited by: Saladin on 09/05/2007 15:43:45 To be honest this belongs in the Starbase thread, not the CAOD forums. What is happening with this issue is people are exploiting the mechanic CCP uses to keep people out of a bubble to bump static ships out as well. The whiners saying fit a ship maintenance array... I am sorry it does not have infinite space. The risk here is that ships out in the pos bubble can be stolen by corp mates or people with the password, or when the pos destroyed. They should not be at risk from someone stupidly bouncing against a POS when he knows he cannot get entry. Its like having a door to your house that bounces a theif around inside, allowing him to knock something out of the house before being ejected himself. Anyone to undertakes this kind of activity is a human pig in need of electro-shock therapy. Just like the people who shoot cans or light smartbombs to engage an aggro timer. How interesting. Is this MC official position regarding your current "employers"?
xeom Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.09 16:45:00 - [143] Originally by: turnschuh Originally by: xeom Originally by: turnschuh Instead of whining about this mechanic you have to keep in mind how utterly stupid it actually is. Noone realises that you could just let them "bowl" and you can setup a nice trap to kill the titan and a few other cap ships? By warping in a 70bil sip + few other capitals right into the hostile POS and getting bumped off a couple of 100km they put themself at a VERY high risk to get ganked. Dont like the bowl? setup a trap and kill them. Get some common sense. Nah they are bumped out at insane speed and sent like 500KM into the next grid in which direction is anybodys guess so really trap isnt possible. Last time, wich has indeed been a while, I saw capital ships get bumped off they get around 200km ish away and dont leave the grid. So unless you have seen a bowl recently and live, dont state something wich is not the case. Watch the video bro the avatar leaves the grid and the 2nd minmatar one is almost out of the grid by the time the fraps ends. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 17:12:00 - [144] The thing that gets me, is the CCP decision that this is not an exploit. If the forcefield from a POS is not supposed to stop enemy ships from moving through it (as has been claimed) then why can't I MWD into a hostile POS bubble with an interceptor and orbit it at 5km? Blatantly the current CCP line on this issue, that its not an exploit because POS bubbles are only supposed to stop people locking targets inside the bubble is stupidity. Why would the POS bounce off smaller ships if that were the case?
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 17:23:00 - [145] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Shrike As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. how about instead of them having to fix it you just dont do it? not because your forced to but because you know its "broken..borked" and you want to have people come fight you. called respect for your opponents, yes i know i know, respect is earned blah blah, but you also want people to fight you right? this whole war is what you wanted, if you employ tactics that are shady and broken what invasions and large fights in the future can you honestly expect? its fine that you play to win, so do i but using tactics such as this isnt the way to do it nor will ever actually alow you to win. sure your going to "win" this war thats evident to anyone who has 1 eye, but there will always be "ands"...you will never be able to just say "we won this war because we are better pvp'rs" you will only be able to say "we won this war because we are better pvp'rs and we cheated". oh ya, and fit a cloak. problem solved. IF one side stopped, the other may not, giving the other side an advantage. You cant just tell one half of a war to stop doing things because you happen to be on the other side ;( __________________________________________
Kruzenshtern Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion	Posted - 2007.05.09 19:20:00 - [146] Edited by: Kruzenshtern on 09/05/2007 19:16:25 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Massao Originally by: Kruzenshtern P.S. No, you can't have our stuff. Quite obviously, seeing as we've already stolen it. See thats the problem with the whole GIANT WAR thing. Missing respect, Shrike points out that its broken but he and his SuperCaps do it, to win. Not using anything you coulde have used (metagaming/exploting/Spying) is not a sign of being weak, but a sign that its still a game where anyone should have fun, probally for some ppl wining=fun notWininf!=notfun. With all due respect, Gyro, they are not doing these things to win. They do it for the sheer fun of illustrating that they are immune to CCP overseeing process, and to **** off opponents (also to be able to make smartass remarks on the forums, of course). It's like kleptomania - the kleptomaniac doesn't really NEED the things he steals, just can't resist the urge. And CCP ignore this out of some weird suicidal desire to destroy at the very core the game they make all the motions to evolve. Rot at the core spreads outward. EDIT: spelling
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:40:00 - [147] Yes i havent read all the posts, but... how hard would it be to just have the ship come out of warp outside the bubble? Warp bubbles on gates can do it. __________________________ My sig changes once work gets boring... yes it was a slow day today.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:12:00 - [148] You know, I think some of you are too dense to realize that maybe this is being done for 2 reasons: 1. It's allowed. 2. To illustrate that it's broken. But hey, don't let me stop you heroes from your exposition of BoB-hate. We're used to it anyway, and it motivates us to present you with oodles and oodles of misery. To even think that the bumping of the ships inside a POS factors in any way to the success or failure of system defense is naive. Those POS are already lost because no one defends them. Don't you koalas have a titan too? Why not bowl our POS for a change. I promise that we won't whine. We'd even welcome your titan into our systems with open arms and a 21 gun salute. This entire thing has even secret benefits for you because you won't have to post loss mails for ships bowled into oblivion and won't have to close down your killboards to the public. My advice to you: ACTIVATE PETITION GENERATORS When CCP fixes it or stops saying that it's legit, we will stop. This is CCP's game and they make the rules. So just fire off the petitions and actually fight for a change, instead of planting POS and parking ships while you run off and despair as to why everything is falling apart. Parking lots have no business being in EVE, and we will destroy them all. Now, please resume in your exposition of BoB-hate.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:30:00 - [149] I find it amusing that a number of people have been throwing around the idea of 'respect' as a reason for not doing this. Please do tell me, exactly when has anyone in the coalition EVER treated anyone in BoB with the respect you demand in return from them? Every discussion regarding anything remotely related to BoB is turned into an utter **fest with everyone and their half-****** sister screaming devs, hax, and exploits. It's absolutely no wonder its being done to you, not only is it hilarious, its working brilliantly to irritate you.
Bozl1n Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.10 07:21:00 - [150] Originally by: Fred0 As much as it hurts. RF and Shrike are the ones I agree with here. Yea me2, its not often you can say that is it. Somethings wrong, very wrong Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~

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