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Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:00:00 - [1] i had a dream last night. a mothership bumped one of my ships out of our pos, scooped the ship on the fly, and then let out a mothership-sized burp. a thread in CAOD has strayed a bit off-topic, hard as that is to believe... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=515660 onto the subject of bumping ships out of pos's. those ships bumped out can then be destroyed or stolen. none less than the esteemed pod-pilot, farjung, commented that this has been ruled a legitimate use of game mechanics. his statement has been backed in a written response from ccp, as a GM affirms this is indeed allowed. so, for those that wonder, or perhaps in the past have been told otherwise, 'pos bowling', as it's become known, is now an official sport of the eve universe. like it? then practice your way to free ships left floating at pos's. hi-sec dwellers can also partake, as pos's aren't set to shoot unless aggro'd. as you're seeking financial gain, (free ships) this can't be ruled griefing. right? hate it? then abuse the crap out of it, until ccp is forced to fix this 'broken' game mechanic, ala privateers and the war dec system.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:02:00 - [2] Or, maybe... nah, this is silly Have a ship maint. array.. and emmm use it! Thats what they are for.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 07/05/2007 11:00:27 Anything CCP can't actually stop or prove even if they wanted to gets labelled legitimate. Personally, it suits me to the ground - it makes the whole 0.0 thing the joke that it is. Welcome to Eve Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Or, maybe... nah, this is silly Have a ship maint. array.. and emmm use it! Thats what they are for. And capital ships are for bowling right? See this hook? variable speed and five alternate attatchments baby.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:06:00 - [4] And POS shields are there to let you have 100's of ships unpiloted sitting in them?
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:08:00 - [5] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs And POS shields are there to let you have 100's of ships unpiloted sitting in them? Clue is in the fact you need a password to enter that shield. Think it over. Take your time. See this hook? variable speed and five alternate attatchments baby.
LeZbo Liza Minmatar LeZbo Liza Corp	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:09:00 - [6] Edited by: LeZbo Liza on 07/05/2007 11:06:30 STOP CRYING!!!! want a hug?
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:10:00 - [7] Quote: And POS shields are there to let you have 100's of ships unpiloted sitting in them? Yes? ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:11:00 - [8] I see what you are saying about the ship maint array, however, what if your ship has alot of stuff onboard, you have to store it in the corp hanger array, so then the POS comes under attack, what can you do for the stuff in the corp hanger array then? nothing I think a quick fix until they fix the game mechanic might be, have the corp hangers work while in reinforced?
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Glitch 10240 I see what you are saying about the ship maint array, however, what if your ship has alot of stuff onboard, you have to store it in the corp hanger array, so then the POS comes under attack, what can you do for the stuff in the corp hanger array then? nothing I think a quick fix until they fix the game mechanic might be, have the corp hangers work while in reinforced? Last time I checked you could anchor more than 1 ship maint array - did they change that? Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Elenia Kheynes Caldari Avatars of Doom Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:24:00 - [10] This is a scandal! As long as it's not me or one of my allies who is doing it Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:29:00 - [11] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs And POS shields are there to let you have 100's of ships unpiloted sitting in them? Yeppers... The purpose of the POS force field (It's not a shield, muppet), is to prevent anyone who does not have permission from entering that field. Seems people have found a way to exploit the fact that the force field does't really work properly by using warp & bump mechanics to enter the bubble at speed and force a stationary, unmanned vessel to be pushed outside of the field. My best advice is to not leave ships inside a bubble unmanned unless it's absolutely necessary. I agree you should be able to, but without a change in game physics, your ships will never be safe from those who wish to gain financial gain through exploiting the science fiction physics of this game. Pity. Regards Mattduk
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:30:00 - [12] Oh the humanity
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Grimster Last time I checked you could anchor more than 1 ship maint array - did they change that? I think titans should just ignore passords, force fields, and the like anyway. Let em dock with the station! Hey, we could do this with ALL the capital ships, it'd be even better gameplay. In fact, I think once you're inside the shield bubble, even if you're hostile, any guns should stop firing at you. Hell, you got in, right? You must be allowed. Oooh, and Titans and supercaps should have a T1 module that raises a HUUUUUUGE frickin flag on it, and makes a permanent monument in a system that says "Mine". It'll establish Sov, until it's destroyed. Give the flag... err, monument 99.99% (99.999 would have been too much, I did the math) resists to all, and somewhere along the lines of 8 million shield, 8 million armor, and 8 million structure points. Hey, we can make the flag racially marked by the race of ship it pops from, thereby setting sov for not only your alliance, but also earning you points, and fabulous prizes from empire factions! There. One patch, everything will be fixed. Won't have to deal with the slow spiral into mediocrity, won't have to deal with having any semblance of hope, that maybe, somewhere, someone will fix something... just have to reach over, and hit "cancel subscription" and go watch a sunrise. Fubarski
Bloedkopp Minmatar Simian Cell Systems	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Glitch 10240 I see what you are saying about the ship maint array, however, what if your ship has alot of stuff onboard, you have to store it in the corp hanger array, so then the POS comes under attack, what can you do for the stuff in the corp hanger array then? nothing I think a quick fix until they fix the game mechanic might be, have the corp hangers work while in reinforced? Last time I checked you could anchor more than 1 ship maint array - did they change that? As far as I know is all stuff of a reinforced POS useless or - did they change that ? Maybe you will think different when someone bumps your carrier out and kill you in the time you taking a pee ? Real question should be: Is there any need for an alliance with 4 Titans and several MSs to use such lame tactics that claims that they never do metagameing ?
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:49:00 - [15] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Or, maybe... nah, this is silly Have a ship maint. array.. and emmm use it! Thats what they are for. in fact, this is the response we got from ccp. while not addressing the extra fuel and logistics of anchoring a ship maint. array, your vessel is safe and the array stays online when the pos goes to reinforced mode. corp. hangar arrays, however, do not. leaving the problem of what to do with your ammo, as stored ships must have empty cargo holds. plz don't suggest flying amarr, either...
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:08:00 - [16] To be perfectly honest, I don't mind this as 100s of frigates under the forcefield can make quite a bit of lag at POS fights. Bowling can solve that I guess. I'm guilty for leaving like 5 ships (BS, Cruiser, dictor, ceptors) at a POS during the ASCN war to avoid docking and then not storing them in a maint. array so I won't judge people who do the same.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Righteous Fury Oh the humanity You know I dont think bob would feel terribly offended if you decided to think with your own head once or twice :p Besides I dont think this even needs a comment, it looks more redicoulus than nanophoon and the only justification I heard so far is "that'll teach em for hiding at the pos" ... As someone pointed out all it takes now is massive abuse of this crap until it gets out of hand of ccp fixes it. Just like nanophoons. Yayyyy \o/ - Gob
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Bloedkopp Edited by: Bloedkopp on 07/05/2007 12:03:03 Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Glitch 10240 I see what you are saying about the ship maint array, however, what if your ship has alot of stuff onboard, you have to store it in the corp hanger array, so then the POS comes under attack, what can you do for the stuff in the corp hanger array then? nothing I think a quick fix until they fix the game mechanic might be, have the corp hangers work while in reinforced? Last time I checked you could anchor more than 1 ship maint array - did they change that? Maybe you will think different when someone bumps your carrier out and kill you in the time you taking a pee ? Real question should be: Is there any need for an alliance with 4 Titans and several MSs to use such lame tactics that claims that they never do metagameing ? You don't fit a catheter for fleet? It's never gonna happen anyway - I'm too much of a newbie to fly a carrier. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:17:00 - [19] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Have a ship maint. array.. and emmm use it! Unfortunately, this can be impossible in a warzone environment. For example; during the fight in I-N, Maelstrom were desperate to buy time; so left every one of their ships out, at their poses, so that their allies could use them. Had they used a maintenance array, this would not have been possible. Another situation is simply leaving the ships out because otherwise, you can't get the bleeding ammo back out of the hangar array, due to the tower being in reinforced. That is, however, if you're actually lucky enough to be able to use your maintenance array, which always seems to have some muppet go AFK just inside its usage radius.
CaPsA Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:27:00 - [20] Allies, or Ennemies, I don't care, using Game mechanics is never repectable. But a simple solution to this bowling problem is : - The ForceField work as a Warp Disrupt Buble. - All ships who are not allowed into the forcefield with Standings or Password have to be stop at the limit. POS (Player Owner Station) should be a Safe Spot, so it have to be ! It's not difficult to fix it, but ... If CCP don't want ... TITANs kill lot of fun blocking the fleet engagements ... TITANs don't fight but play bowling ... TITANs will kill EvE on the long term if CCP doesn't fix some problems ! Please don't tell me "blabla you haven't got one blabla" the proposition will only affect TITANs, and all know now that TITANs are on the both sides (The Alliance & The Cohalition). This reply is only my personal opinion. CaPsOUiLLe La FriPoUiLLe
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:27:00 - [21] Edited by: Cadiz on 07/05/2007 12:30:21 Originally by: Captain Thunk Edited by: Captain Thunk on 07/05/2007 11:00:27 Anything CCP can't actually stop or prove even if they wanted to gets labelled legitimate. An accurate summary of the situation, best I can tell. It's a rather ridiculous state of affairs (if warp bubbles can stop people dead at their edges, why can't POS shields?), but it's rather difficult for the GMs to go tracking every little case of this and following up on it, so until the devs figure out some way of making this impossible, it is allowed out of impossibility for it to be anything but. Kinda like ye olde logontrapski in that regard, really - lame as hell and clearly a slap in the face of intended design, but permissible until further code/design changes because the alternative is wildly impractical. So with that in mind, not really anything to do but try to cope with it, I suppose. Ships closer to the tower seem to be less vulnerable than ones at the periphery of the shields, and large towers are harder to effectively bowl than smaller ones. These are my observations, anyways. So if you can't use SMAs, then keep your ships as close to the tower as possible and hope for the best. Oh, and you can do this with any capital ship, not just supercapitals. It seems that some people might be thinking this is a titan-specific thing; it is not. You can do it just as easily with a few carriers or dreadnaughts. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:36:00 - [22] Can people stop saying 'use maint. array'? Its used to gain an unfair advantage, so its a sploit, period. This sig is confirmed ISD-Proof«
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Sokratesz Can people stop saying 'use maint. array'? Its used to gain an unfair advantage, so its a sploit, period. It's a permissible exploit, if that's the case. Multiple and consistent (!!) GM rulings and all that. Yes, GM rulings can actually be consistent sometimes; I once thought it impossible too. And it will probably continue to be a permissible exploit right up until the day where they patch in a way to make POS bowling impossible to do, so in the meanwhile you'll just have to cope however you can. I think it sucks too, but hey, welcome to EVE and whatnot. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Sir Mumm The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:46:00 - [24] Thats fun. You warp your fleet to the POS to avoid a DD, the the Titan bumps half of your fleet out of the POS and set off his DD. And its no exploit. Thx GMs. Mumm PS: yes we have a titan
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Sir Mumm PS: yes we have a titan lmao
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:14:00 - [26] I dock my ships in maintenance arrays or stations to prevent this from happening. Seems pretty easy to me. Don't let your POSes get into reinforced if you want to use arrays.
Boobaker	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:19:00 - [27] Ok i will explain it again in slow motion. You warp to a POS to bring your fleet in a position to attack a gate, capitals or whatever. In this moment a titan warps to your tower at zero. There goes your fleet, its bumped outside the forcefield. Same goes for the enemy titan. and just in this moment he fires his DD. And now explain to me that ship arrays are very useful against bumping. Mumm
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:20:00 - [28] As a now professional bowler, i will say this. Gangwarping 20 capitals into a POS and do starbursts is, rather nice to look at. However, this is broken, totally and utterly borked. It should not be possible, but, people should also be forced to use Ship Maint arrays to park a ship. So, find us a solution where people have to use the ship array, and where we professional bowlers gets the finger. [center]
x bunny The Rabbit Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:24:00 - [29] Isn't ramming a valid and known naval tactic ? Why it should be considered an exploit ?
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Boobaker Ok i will explain it again in slow motion. You warp to a POS to bring your fleet in a position to attack a gate, capitals or whatever. In this moment a titan warps to your tower at zero. There goes your fleet, its bumped outside the forcefield. Same goes for the enemy titan. and just in this moment he fires his DD. And now explain to me that ship arrays are very useful against bumping. Mumm By the time the DD finishes the Titan will be anywhere between 400km and the adjacent grid due to the bounce. Pain is meant to be felt

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