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ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:41:00 - [91] bob:1 cryalition:0 It's geat how their posts have gone from 'We'll own delve by June', to 'waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ccp waaaaaaaaaaaa'. Is it just me or are the former ASCN guys posting in all the bob related threads past bitter and approaching stalker level?
Havras The Syndicate Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:18:00 - [92] Originally by: ED 209 bob:1 cryalition:0 It's geat how their posts have gone from 'We'll own delve by June', to 'waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ccp waaaaaaaaaaaa'. Is it just me or are the former ASCN guys posting in all the bob related threads past bitter and approaching stalker level? Umm.. newsflash. ASCN is dead. Leave it dead as it has nothing to do with this. This has to do with a game mechanic that is obviously borked. Hell even Shrike is saying it is borked and needs fixing.
Gant Stryker AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:24:00 - [93] Edited by: Exortius Amarrus on 07/05/2007 16:21:37 Speaking on game lore, it doesn't seem too terribly far-fetched to think that a ship as large as a Titan or Mothership would have the mass and shield strength to pass through the shields of a POS briefly. Is it really that ridiculous? I've seen the vids, and while i'm not sure that's what the developers intended, i don't feel like i'm watching anything too crazy. But hey, that's just me. And instantaneous deceleration will do no damage to the ramming ship.... I have no problem with POS bowling if the ball comes up with appropriate sized knicks in it. [url=http://killboard.intrepidcrossing.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50] [/url]
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:57:00 - [94] Heh. I find this bowling business funny and sad at the same time I wouldn't do it myself tbh... it's pretty obvious that it shouldn't be happening, so don't hide behind your finger.
Apollyon X FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:59:00 - [95] As long as anyone can do it I don't see a problem
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:00:00 - [96] Yes, EVE is a really crappy, buggy, flawed game, in which the devs are clearly high as kites 90% of the time. But it is sadly a bit addictive. Didn't we all realise this years ago? ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Alts Are bypsassing the forum rules.	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:43:00 - [97] BoB using their money and metagaming to ruin the game for everyone else. We can thank BoB or should I say BoD. At least they get to cheat and call it legit in the face of all of EVE. And everyone thinks the Alliance is good and for the improvement of EVE? WTF ever. This clearly shows that BOB will do whatever they can to win. They have had Devs help them, they exploit every possible shady game mechanic and call it kosher. Now what do they do. They get some ships that cant be stopped, and flat out rub it in our faces that they can do what they want and we are helpless to stop them. ôhah hah ha EVE community. The Joke is on you we will break the rules and BLAME YOU. Hah ha ha pathetic players of EVE.ö That is BoB. Call them your God if you want. I will not. Who cares, BoB will get their way until they are gone or someone else manages to upstage their acts of Evil. Who cares, i sure dont
Dukath Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:03:00 - [98] Edited by: Dukath on 08/05/2007 18:00:52 Originally by: Alts Are BoB using their money and metagaming to ruin the game for everyone else. We can thank BoB or should I say BoD. At least they get to cheat and call it legit in the face of all of EVE. And everyone thinks the Alliance is good and for the improvement of EVE? WTF ever. This clearly shows that BOB will do whatever they can to win. They have had Devs help them, they exploit every possible shady game mechanic and call it kosher. Now what do they do. They get some ships that cant be stopped, and flat out rub it in our faces that they can do what they want and we are helpless to stop them. ôhah hah ha EVE community. The Joke is on you we will break the rules and BLAME YOU. Hah ha ha pathetic players of EVE.ö That is BoB. Call them your God if you want. I will not. Who cares, BoB will get their way until they are gone or someone else manages to upstage their acts of Evil. Anyone who thinks this is about winning is an idiot. I have been pos bowling a bit the last days and the only reason is pure boredom. So what do you do while being on standby for a dreadfleet that is killing yet another pos spam? Sit and wait or have some fun, make a bet with your alliance mates and try to win the bet by bumping out more ships than them. Maybe if the coalition would actually mount a defense once in a while we woudln't have to keep ourselves busy this way. Does anyone really believe that bumping and killing a cruiser has any effect at all on the war? The problem here is not capitals bumping stuff, the problem is the pos wars. It is far too easy to anchor a pos right now. Territory is not defended anymore, people just spam more and more poses to keep sovereignity. first remove POS from market and add blueprints for them. Get mineral cost to be about the same as the buy cost right now. Build time should be around a week for a large tower. Then make anchoring more difficult. When you anchor a tower you need to stay within 10km of the tower while it is being anchored. If you get killed the anchoring is pauzed and someone else in your corporation can continue the anchoring. This will prevent a single person from spamming a while system in 30 minutes. Finally make towers harder to kill. Give the guns a better AI, no more constant cycling where the guns become ineffective as soon as there are 20 people. Make the guns focus fire for 1 to 2 minutes, then compare the hitpoints of the target and if they haven't lowered significantly switch target. Basically go from easy and many poses to very few poses that really count.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:08:00 - [99] Originally by: Alts Are BoB using their money and metagaming to ruin the game for everyone else. We can thank BoB or should I say BoD. At least they get to cheat and call it legit in the face of all of EVE. And everyone thinks the Alliance is good and for the improvement of EVE? WTF ever. This clearly shows that BOB will do whatever they can to win. They have had Devs help them, they exploit every possible shady game mechanic and call it kosher. Now what do they do. They get some ships that cant be stopped, and flat out rub it in our faces that they can do what they want and we are helpless to stop them. ôhah hah ha EVE community. The Joke is on you we will break the rules and BLAME YOU. Hah ha ha pathetic players of EVE.ö That is BoB. Call them your God if you want. I will not. Who cares, BoB will get their way until they are gone or someone else manages to upstage their acts of Evil. Listen up. Let me explain it to you in small words so that your tiny brain can understand. IT WAS NOT BOB THAT CAME UP WITH THIS TACTIC. Just like it was not BoB that invented log on traps or logoffski or POS spamming.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:45:00 - [100] Originally by: Dukath Anyone who thinks this is about winning is an idiot. I have been pos bowling a bit the last days and the only reason is pure boredom. So what do you do while being on standby for a dreadfleet that is killing yet another pos spam? Sit and wait or have some fun, make a bet with your alliance mates and try to win the bet by bumping out more ships than them. Maybe if the coalition would actually mount a defense once in a while we woudln't have to keep ourselves busy this way. Does anyone really believe that bumping and killing a cruiser has any effect at all on the war? The problem here is not capitals bumping stuff, the problem is the pos wars. It is far too easy to anchor a pos right now. Territory is not defended anymore, people just spam more and more poses to keep sovereignity. first remove POS from market and add blueprints for them. Get mineral cost to be about the same as the buy cost right now. Build time should be around a week for a large tower. Then make anchoring more difficult. When you anchor a tower you need to stay within 10km of the tower while it is being anchored. If you get killed the anchoring is pauzed and someone else in your corporation can continue the anchoring. This will prevent a single person from spamming a while system in 30 minutes. Finally make towers harder to kill. Give the guns a better AI, no more constant cycling where the guns become ineffective as soon as there are 20 people. Make the guns focus fire for 1 to 2 minutes, then compare the hitpoints of the target and if they haven't lowered significantly switch target. Basically go from easy and many poses to very few poses that really count. How does your solution stop people from POS bowling? It doesn't actually, you just kinda went off on a tangent trying to blame some other reason for why people are angry. The fact of it is that you've boasted that you make a game of it with other pilots to get past POS shields at ships you otherwise shouldn't be able to touch. It doesn't matter how much fun you're having or how light-hearted you make what you're doing out to be. Anyone that POS bowls is exploiting the primary aspect of shields, to keep people out. Not only are POS bowlers getting in, they're also causing loss of property where it otherwise should not have been lost. That's the problem. It's not about arrays and where people park ships. It's not about scanners and people cluttering up your scan results, it's not about the lag these ships cause. It's about people doing something they shouldn't be able to do. Sure, go ahead and do it if GM's say it's ok. It still doesn't change the fact that it's an incredibly poor taste in sportsmanship. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message...
Alts Are bypsassing the forum rules.	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:21:00 - [101] Edited by: Alts Are on 08/05/2007 19:18:36 Originally by: Dukath Edited by: Dukath on 08/05/2007 18:00:52 Originally by: Alts Are BoB using their money and metagaming to ruin the game for everyone else. We can thank BoB or should I say BoD. At least they get to cheat and call it legit in the face of all of EVE. And everyone thinks the Alliance is good and for the improvement of EVE? WTF ever. This clearly shows that BOB will do whatever they can to win. They have had Devs help them, they exploit every possible shady game mechanic and call it kosher. Now what do they do. They get some ships that cant be stopped, and flat out rub it in our faces that they can do what they want and we are helpless to stop them. ôhah hah ha EVE community. The Joke is on you we will break the rules and BLAME YOU. Hah ha ha pathetic players of EVE.ö That is BoB. Call them your God if you want. I will not. Who cares, BoB will get their way until they are gone or someone else manages to upstage their acts of Evil. Anyone who thinks this is about winning is an idiot. I have been pos bowling a bit the last days and the only reason is pure boredom. So what do you do while being on standby for a dreadfleet that is killing yet another pos spam? Sit and wait or have some fun, make a bet with your alliance mates and try to win the bet by bumping out more ships than them. Maybe if the coalition would actually mount a defense once in a while we woudln't have to keep ourselves busy this way. Does anyone really believe that bumping and killing a cruiser has any effect at all on the war? The problem here is not capitals bumping stuff, the problem is the pos wars. It is far too easy to anchor a pos right now. Territory is not defended anymore, people just spam more and more poses to keep sovereignity. first remove POS from market and add blueprints for them. Get mineral cost to be about the same as the buy cost right now. Build time should be around a week for a large tower. Then make anchoring more difficult. When you anchor a tower you need to stay within 10km of the tower while it is being anchored. If you get killed the anchoring is pauzed and someone else in your corporation can continue the anchoring. This will prevent a single person from spamming a while system in 30 minutes. Finally make towers harder to kill. Give the guns a better AI, no more constant cycling where the guns become ineffective as soon as there are 20 people. Make the guns focus fire for 1 to 2 minutes, then compare the hitpoints of the target and if they haven't lowered significantly switch target. Basically go from easy and many poses to very few poses that really count. Is that all you can say? Just say blah blah blah... side step the issue of you EXPLOITING game mechanics. Originally by: Moonlight Express Listen up. Let me explain it to you in small words so that your tiny brain can understand. IT WAS NOT BOB THAT CAME UP WITH THIS TACTIC. Just like it was not BoB that invented log on traps or logoffski or POS spamming. You just need to STFU and sit down BoB pet. You were the one who Responded to an Obvious Alt. Truth = BoB using super capitals to exploit the game Everything else is spin by you to make it look like less of an issue then it really is. You worship BoB if you want to. Some people do tend to worship false Idols. Who cares, i sure dont
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:31:00 - [102] Originally by: Alts Are Originally by: Moonlight Express Listen up. Let me explain it to you in small words so that your tiny brain can understand. IT WAS NOT BOB THAT CAME UP WITH THIS TACTIC. Just like it was not BoB that invented log on traps or logoffski or POS spamming. You just need to STFU and sit down BoB pet. You were the one who Responded to an Obvious Alt. Truth = BoB using super capitals to exploit the game Everything else is spin by you to make it look like less of an issue then it really is. You worship BoB if you want to. Some people do tend to worship false Idols. Waaaa, cry me a river. I hope they don't fix it, so that you can whine some more before you quit the game. And it's not ONLY BoB that's doing it. Is a matter a fact, it was AAA that invented POS bowling. You should go cry about them inventing it, just like they invented log on traps, plex farming, logoffski and every other dirty trick in the book. Oh and btw. If it upsets you, than I'm all for it. Keep up the good job BoB. You are my heroes.
xeom Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:01:00 - [103] POS bowling is just pure comedy. Can we get like a movie with voice overs as if tho it was a real bowling match. Or maybe even live POS bowling on bob radio! Featuring AAA/RA/Esta any all big name POS bowlers! --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Alts Are bypsassing the forum rules.	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:03:00 - [104] I didnt say they invented it. Pos Bowling has been around for a while. Just now its being done with ships that are Invulnerable to POS effects. So no matter what you put on your tower. their Super Caps can bounce around a POS all day long. You are the type of player who should just look around and see how alone you really are. BoB are actively doing this and BRAGGING about it. Seems they would have the stones to tell their pilots to not do this and try to actually be Honorable. But hey when they have Devs helping them out and stuff.. honor really doesnt apply to BoB. Cry all you wish puppet. BoB = Pure Evil Everyone else not as evil but still evil. Celebrate your slavery BoB Pets. Who cares, i sure dont
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 21:31:00 - [105] Some nice suggestions, personally I think that moving the warp dropout point to just outside the shield would be the solution unless that person has the ability to be inside the POS anyway, like standings or password. This happens with a warp bubble so the in game mechanism exists and could be adapted for warp ins to points inside a POS shield.
Tobruk Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:19:00 - [106] Originally by: Gant Stryker Edited by: Exortius Amarrus on 07/05/2007 16:21:37 Speaking on game lore, it doesn't seem too terribly far-fetched to think that a ship as large as a Titan or Mothership would have the mass and shield strength to pass through the shields of a POS briefly. Is it really that ridiculous? I've seen the vids, and while i'm not sure that's what the developers intended, i don't feel like i'm watching anything too crazy. But hey, that's just me. And instantaneous deceleration will do no damage to the ramming ship.... I have no problem with POS bowling if the ball comes up with appropriate sized knicks in it. the fact that your speculating on weather an imaginary space object (titan) could pass through an imaginary force field (shield) neither of which the composition is known and then further speculate that it would be reasonable only if it were "briefly" makes me think that yes, it is really that ridiculous. i would base your argument instead on features. Bottom line: pos shields were not intended to be breached, titan blowing breaches pos shields. there is one of two fixes as i see it. 1) it is made an exploit (most reasonable solution) or 2) more than one person can use a ship maint array at once and ships can keep ammo in cargo. further, what would you have the game to if the rammer wasnt "massive enough" or had enough "sheild power" (whatever sheild power is)? would it explode? ---------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed level of truth-HornFrog (mods@ccpga
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:27:00 - [107] Originally by: xeom POS bowling is just pure comedy. Can we get like a movie with voice overs as if tho it was a real bowling match. Or maybe even live POS bowling on bob radio! Featuring AAA/RA/Esta any all big name POS bowlers! /signed
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:44:00 - [108] Originally by: ED 209 bob:1 cryalition:0 It's geat how their posts have gone from 'We'll own delve by June', to 'waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ccp waaaaaaaaaaaa'. Is it just me or are the former ASCN guys posting in all the bob related threads past bitter and approaching stalker level? You mean why we dont do it with alts like you? - Gob
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:21:00 - [109] i dont know why you are moaning about titans... i herd its possible to do it with a well placed BS
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:28:00 - [110] I really don't care who is doing this, it is probably the lamest thing in the history of EVE. It seems like my internal hyperbole alarm should be going off ... but it is not. I cannot think of anything lamer than taking advantage of the relative invulnerability of super capitals in order to steal or otherwise render destructible ships that were intentionally placed in an area that cannot be accessed without being directly attacked. I also don't see how anyone can defend doing this from a "health of the game" standpoint. The only leg people have to stand on is that they won't be banned for doing this. That shouldn't be enough for some people, but sadly it is. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:28:00 - [111] Originally by: Ace101 i dont know why you are moaning about titans... i herd its possible to do it with a well placed BS Immune to scrambling and webbing...
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:29:00 - [112] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Ace101 i dont know why you are moaning about titans... i herd its possible to do it with a well placed BS Immune to scrambling and webbing... some people live cap ships inside POS with no scrams or... POS wich dont even shoot back
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:30:00 - [113] Originally by: Ace101 i dont know why you are moaning about titans... i herd its possible to do it with a well placed BS It is. Thats no better from my standpoint. The only difference is that its alot more difficult to do succesfully. Doing this with supercapitals is a riskless mindless way to steal and destroy ships that you have no business being able to touch. The Enemy's Gate is Down
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:31:00 - [114] Well chowdown just bumped me out of my pos in O-2. It seems to be a really lame tactic but gives these guys with oversize e-peens something to do i guese. I dont like it but ccp allows it so its fair game i think. Titans, makeing the game not fun since 2006 http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
turnschuh Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:40:00 - [115] Instead of whining about this mechanic you have to keep in mind how utterly stupid it actually is. Noone realises that you could just let them "bowl" and you can setup a nice trap to kill the titan and a few other cap ships? By warping in a 70bil sip + few other capitals right into the hostile POS and getting bumped off a couple of 100km they put themself at a VERY high risk to get ganked. Dont like the bowl? setup a trap and kill them. Get some common sense.
xeom Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:57:00 - [116] Originally by: turnschuh Instead of whining about this mechanic you have to keep in mind how utterly stupid it actually is. Noone realises that you could just let them "bowl" and you can setup a nice trap to kill the titan and a few other cap ships? By warping in a 70bil sip + few other capitals right into the hostile POS and getting bumped off a couple of 100km they put themself at a VERY high risk to get ganked. Dont like the bowl? setup a trap and kill them. Get some common sense. Nah they are bumped out at insane speed and sent like 500KM into the next grid in which direction is anybodys guess so really trap isnt possible. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:57:00 - [117] Edited by: Rebellion on 08/05/2007 23:58:12 Here's a solution: Remove Warp from EVE. Seriously. Find some other way to bridge distances. Also, if you people started piloting these ships instead of leaving them at a POS, where they don't do anything anyway, we wouldn't have these issues. POS spamming is being used as a way to defend a system while being away. Instead of committing people and effort to system defense, you commit inanimate objects. I doubt that POS shields were intended to define parking lot areas. It would be rather sad to think that we've been waging a war against parking lots the whole time. Parked, unpiloted ships do not have any rights in EVE. Piloted ships getting bumped out and subsequently destroyed are a little different. However, one must question if they don't fight because they are outnumbered or if they are outnumbered because they just don't want to fight. It's a gray area, and difficult to solve IMO. Besides, bumping in general has always been a tricky topic and has become a fact of life. IMO I think this is just an issue because BoB uses it, which therefore turns it into an exploit, just like all of the things we do. The discussion about our being able to kill logoffski titans by excellent covert ops piloting, where people just stopped short of demanding that logoffski ought to be legitimately protected from BoB hunting, comes to mind. I'm sorry for being jaded, bit I'd believe the legitimacy of the complaint more if not for the recent campaign to nerf capitals so that people who don't want to commit similar effort have a chance against them. Instead of pulling us down, why don't you bring yourselves up? </rant> I believe that POS were intended to be resistant to some level of attacks while the owners were sleeping or unable to play EVE, not to be used as an excuse for the owners to just send a token force and avoid fighting. This should not even be an issue with the Coalition. Where is the audacity that led you to gather 200+ capitals on your spectacular assault on an empty shipyard? Why can't you do a fraction of that in defense of a system? Do you really hate us so much that you'd petulantly deny us a battle in the hopes that we go away in boredom? We just want to play! With trains!
Niobe Farstar Synergetic Tactics SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:01:00 - [118] Originally by: turnschuh Instead of whining about this mechanic you have to keep in mind how utterly stupid it actually is. Noone realises that you could just let them "bowl" and you can setup a nice trap to kill the titan and a few other cap ships? By warping in a 70bil sip + few other capitals right into the hostile POS and getting bumped off a couple of 100km they put themself at a VERY high risk to get ganked. Dont like the bowl? setup a trap and kill them. Get some common sense. With all due respect, this is a ridiculous idea. Titans can't be trapped, because they can't be scrambled. Even dictor bubbles they can clear with an officer smartbomb. They can also fire their DDs and then immediately jump to another system.
turnschuh Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:03:00 - [119] Originally by: xeom Originally by: turnschuh Instead of whining about this mechanic you have to keep in mind how utterly stupid it actually is. Noone realises that you could just let them "bowl" and you can setup a nice trap to kill the titan and a few other cap ships? By warping in a 70bil sip + few other capitals right into the hostile POS and getting bumped off a couple of 100km they put themself at a VERY high risk to get ganked. Dont like the bowl? setup a trap and kill them. Get some common sense. Nah they are bumped out at insane speed and sent like 500KM into the next grid in which direction is anybodys guess so really trap isnt possible. Last time, wich has indeed been a while, I saw capital ships get bumped off they get around 200km ish away and dont leave the grid. So unless you have seen a bowl recently and live, dont state something wich is not the case.
turnschuh Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:06:00 - [120] Originally by: Niobe Farstar Originally by: turnschuh Instead of whining about this mechanic you have to keep in mind how utterly stupid it actually is. Noone realises that you could just let them "bowl" and you can setup a nice trap to kill the titan and a few other cap ships? By warping in a 70bil sip + few other capitals right into the hostile POS and getting bumped off a couple of 100km they put themself at a VERY high risk to get ganked. Dont like the bowl? setup a trap and kill them. Get some common sense. With all due respect, this is a ridiculous idea. Titans can't be trapped, because they can't be scrambled. Even dictor bubbles they can clear with an officer smartbomb. They can also fire their DDs and then immediately jump to another system. bumping? dd dont kill cap ships? there are other capital ships to kill aswell? some people have way to mutch fear of titans. A propper setup trap could easly pull something like that off.

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