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HelloDevette
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: HelloDevette
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: HelloDevette What will a hidden asteroid belt be called on the scanner?
Deadspace Signature, like all other sites.
On system map it will be named after what type of roids are there like for example "Arknor, Bistot, Mercoxit"
Everything that one could possibly find is called a "deadspace signature"? That seems like a serious oversight. So I will have to warp to each one to see if its anything good?
Yes everything that is part of the exploration system. Encounters, profession sites, belts, complexes etc are called Deadspace Signature. So yes you need to warp to it so see exactly what you have probed down. After probing a lot you will be able to distinguish the sites a bit from signal strength but it's not failsafe.
Hmm, yes... Signal strength and accuracy do seem to help somewhat... I've found a couple decent combat sites, but no gravimetric. All my astrometrics skills are 4 and I have gallente frigate 5 and 2 t1 probe time reduction rigs. Been trying to find this gravimetric site for hours with no luck. I think I will wait until I have my skills at 5 before I try to find gravimetric again
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Parallax 7D
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.26 08:07:00 -
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Does each system have an equal chance of getting exploration sites, or is it based on the number of planets?
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Liathus Firebane
Gallente Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 04:28:00 -
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About gravimetric sites, to 'complete' them do you have to remove all of the ore, or just the majority from each asteroid. It seems like a wast of time to have to cycle your miners for the scraps left in each asteroid when you have mined them out, especially with a barge
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Rimhawk
Caldari Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:24:00 -
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I have some questions too. I have all the required/recommended skills, covops ship etc, the works.
Yesterday I was scanning in a few systems (in empire for testing). In one system I found a gravimetric and radar signal with a multifreq. probe.
I then deployed gravimetric quest probes at each planet (overlap was good), and sure I got two deadspace sigs. One was dead-on with a strong signal, the other wasn't, so I assume that's the radar site.
I then warped in and found a few small veld roids, some gas silo's and some cargo platforms or something. A few intact structures anyway, not wanted, and no hostiles there.
The thing is, there were no rats or drones, but the structures also did not show up as cans on my overview (as the guide states...). So I assumed it was nothing. I then deployed radar drones and found the other site, I warp there and I get the exact same structures, roids (and no rats), albeit in a slightly different configuration.
(And yes it wasn't the same site, I checked on the map).
So my question is, what did I find? It wasn't a combat site (didn't see any unknowns, encounters or rats) but I also didn't get any cans? Was I just unlucky? Was I supposed to do something with those structures, even if they didn't show up as cans? I assume it wasn't a roid site given the types.... :S
So can anyone explain what I need to do there. I have no problem finding sites, but I've found more like these with no clue what to do there... . Rimhawk Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:18:00 -
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Both sites you found bugged encounters. You are not going to get a signal that is strong enough to warp to directly with quest for any real exploration sites, and gravimetrical sites are the hardest of all exploration sites to find.
Basically you just need to keep scanning. Oh and open the system map after you have warped to a site. Its name will be displayed there. A gravimetrical site will be named after what ore type there is and it's size for example "Kernite - Medium - Deep Space".
Radar sites will be named like this "Hacking - Base 2 - Guristas - Deep Space". If the site is just name like Drone Patrol or Gruistas Base or similar it's either an encounter or escalation site. Ie Unknown on multispec. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Parallax 7D
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:51:00 -
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The OP said that exploation sites do not spawn until you enter them. Could this mean that a grav site could change spots if you leave the system then come back if you haven't probed it all the way down to sift accuracy and entered it?
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Rimhawk
Caldari Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.07.27 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Both sites you found bugged encounters. You are not going to get a signal that is strong enough to warp to directly with quest for any real exploration sites, and gravimetrical sites are the hardest of all exploration sites to find.
Basically you just need to keep scanning. Oh and open the system map after you have warped to a site. Its name will be displayed there. A gravimetrical site will be named after what ore type there is and it's size for example "Kernite - Medium - Deep Space".
Radar sites will be named like this "Hacking - Base 2 - Guristas - Deep Space". If the site is just name like Drone Patrol or Gruistas Base or similar it's either an encounter or escalation site. Ie Unknown on multispec.
Thanks a lot for the info, it explains where I'm going wrong. However, this means I didn't find the sites I was looking for yet. I did have all the planets well-covered (even from mid-jump BM's) with quest probes and scanned 5 times but I didn't get any other readings besides those two.
So how often do you have to scan on average to get a hit? And do the exploration sites still show up as magnetometric/gravi/etc when you use the shorter ranged probes, or is everything just called 'deadspace'? If I know that it will show up as 'gravimetric' if I'm looking for gravimetric, I can ignore all the 'deadspace' hits.
Thanks so far. :) . Rimhawk Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.27 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rimhawk
Thanks a lot for the info, it explains where I'm going wrong. However, this means I didn't find the sites I was looking for yet. I did have all the planets well-covered (even from mid-jump BM's) with quest probes and scanned 5 times but I didn't get any other readings besides those two.
So how often do you have to scan on average to get a hit? And do the exploration sites still show up as magnetometric/gravi/etc when you use the shorter ranged probes, or is everything just called 'deadspace'? If I know that it will show up as 'gravimetric' if I'm looking for gravimetric, I can ignore all the 'deadspace' hits.
Thanks so far. :)
Depending on the site, your skills and how lucky you are you might need to scan up to 50-100 times, took me with maxed out probe skills around 90 scans to find a 10/10 complex on sisi, was just about to bug report the thing when it finally showed up :) But most of the time 5-15 are enough.
All sites will show up as Deadspace Signature on the short range probes. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Meiers
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Posted - 2007.07.28 12:48:00 -
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ok ive been doing this for some time now.. tried alot of different systems and spent alot of time using my quest probes..
and ive come to the conclusion that exploration is a waste of time. I was earning so much more salvaging for my corp and others
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Parallax 7D
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.28 17:54:00 -
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More sites for us to find :)
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Gabba
The Three Hundred
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gabba on 30/07/2007 14:28:18 Shameles bump so i van continue reading when i get home
edit:nm it was crosslinked from exploration, why is this in ships and not the forum for exploration?
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 03/08/2007 11:06:40 Great guide, thanks a lot
So let's see. I, average joe, already have frig 4, science 4, salvaging 3. So to get the bare minimum skills Signal Aquisition 4 Astrometrics 4 Pinpointing 3 Triangulation 3
would take me about 14d, according to Evemon.
But I need to be able to unlock the containers too so:
Hacking 3 Archeology 3
are needed. With their prerequisites, I am now looking at a total of 38 days of training, as bare minimum, just to try this thing out. Kind of steep for something I might not like at all.
To rise to the level of mediocre at exploration, I need at least:
Frigate 5 Covops 4 Cloaking 4 Hacking 4 Archeology 4 Triangulation 4 Pinpointing 4
Another 36 days which brings the total to 74 days. That seems fair enough to me, especially since I want to fly a covops someday anyhow.
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Teihoo
Tungsten Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:48:00 -
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Thanks a lot for the superb guides to probing and exploration!
Question: I have Astro 4, Signal Acqui 2, CovOps 4, 2x rigs (T1) and i get scan time 233 sec (Anathema). A friend of mine has Astro 5 and Signal Acqui 4 - he gets scans 177 sec (CovOps 4, same fit on matari CovOps)... I can hardly believe lvl 4 of signal acquisition (10%) will get me 1 more minute faster scanning? Or will it? Training to 3 now... Pinpointing and triang still on 2 and I find a lot of stuff... just very angry with "unkowns" though
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.03 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi on 03/08/2007 21:26:43
Originally by: Teihoo Thanks a lot for the superb guides to probing and exploration!
Question: I have Astro 4, Signal Acqui 2, CovOps 4, 2x rigs (T1) and i get scan time 233 sec (Anathema). A friend of mine has Astro 5 and Signal Acqui 4 - he gets scans 177 sec (CovOps 4, same fit on matari CovOps)... I can hardly believe lvl 4 of signal acquisition (10%) will get me 1 more minute faster scanning? Or will it? Training to 3 now... Pinpointing and triang still on 2 and I find a lot of stuff... just very angry with "unkowns" though
He should get 175 sec not 177 :) Those 2 levels give an effective 25% faster scan time. Btw that last level (4 to 5) is another 16.7% faster. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Teihoo
Tungsten Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.08.04 10:40:00 -
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Thanks for the quick reply! Yes 177 was a typo... he gets 175. With Signal Acqusition lvl 3 it droped to 204 sec for me... seems everything is fine
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soufy
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.06 19:38:00 -
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Since Rev 2, I have stopped using Sift probes in favor of the onboard scanner for the final scan sweep on exploration plexes.
Seems the balance of probe strength / astro skills is still not quite there... as several low sigstrength plexes have earned hits in the 500+km range with a sift probe, but in the 100+km range just spamming the onboard scanner once I know I am in sift range.
I have astro4/pinpointing4/triangulation4
Hope this helps
soufy
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:30:00 -
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This might be a silly question, but what sort of loot wuold be normal from a Base 1 LoSec Radar/Hacking site?
According to my current skill plan, hacking 3 is still anywhere between 20-60 days off (it's an adjustable plan ;-) so I'm not going to be able to loot the site I found last night. It was in lowsec Essence. If anyone wants the bookmark, convo me tonight.
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Sooplex
Amarr Carnal Genetics
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:55:00 -
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I have just started exploration (found my first site last night).
I watched the video by Dnightmare which I found very informative. The question I have is that when he was dropping quest probes and using the system map, a shiny perimeter appeared showing each probes coverage. It looks like game graphics rather than being added on after.
When I drop quest probes I don't get this affect, and it would be damn useful.
Anyone know whether this is an option in-game or was it added to video after.
Thx.
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Valarkin
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sooplex When I drop quest probes I don't get this affect, and it would be damn useful.
Open your map, select system map. Then select all/any/one of your probes in the scanner window by control-clicking or shift-clicking in the list.
You should be able to see the volume of effect for the selected probes.
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Yaar Podshipnik
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 12:03:00 -
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From what I have observed you can start analyzing even if cloaked after rev2. Possible that this applies only to covops cloak II though.
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Yaar Podshipnik
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 12:03:00 -
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From what I have observed you can start analyzing even if cloaked after rev2. Possible that this applies only to covops cloak II though.
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GrayKestrel
Caldari Infinity Industrial and Investment
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Posted - 2007.08.27 22:09:00 -
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If this has already been asked and answered, sorry for the repeat...
The finding the site part I think I get, but how could I get that information to someone else. For example, if I am just an explorer type (who could care less what he findsas long as he does not have to go in himself) how could I then get the information to a miner and/or combat type for their use?
Would I need to group them and drag them along with me? ____________ Guides I like: Mining Guide V2.0.1 By Halada (Awesome guide!) |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.27 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: GrayKestrel If this has already been asked and answered, sorry for the repeat...
The finding the site part I think I get, but how could I get that information to someone else. For example, if I am just an explorer type (who could care less what he findsas long as he does not have to go in himself) how could I then get the information to a miner and/or combat type for their use?
Would I need to group them and drag them along with me?
1. Create a bookmark while bing in the site (open People & Places, choose the places tab, Add bookmark). 2. Select the bookmark, press and hold shift, while holding shift drag and drop the bookmark from people & places to your cargohold/hanger. 3. Direct Trade or Contract the bookmark to the miner. 4. The miner drags the bookmark to his people and places and can now use it to warp to the site. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Roshwi
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Posted - 2007.08.28 14:24:00 -
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Hi all,
This is my first post in the forums but I just had to say thank you to Joerd Toastius. I printed your guide out night before last, followed the steps as much as is possible in one day, and last night I made my first find - a Omber 'roid field. First system I checked and took about 2 hours to find using the Multispec, Quest, and Pursuit probes (All I am trained for atm). This with no rigs...yet My training so far: Astrometrics II (It will be III by the time I get home this evening) Signal Acquisition I (will be II by the time I get home) To top it off, I was unlucky enough to choose Amarr citizenship and the only vessel I own that will support a probe launcher is a BS. (I was not about the buy another ship before I knew this would work for me) This one find will more than pay for the skills (Astrometrics, Triangulation, Pinpointing, Signal Acqu.) and the equipment (Launcher and about 200 probes of various types) that I have so far bought. Plus if the first was any indication at all, I have enough probes to explore 4 or 5 more systems.
Perhaps I was exceptionally lucky, it certainly wasn't skill - not this early, but I must say that this was a gratifying payout for my 4 - 5 million isk investment especially considering that I was not sure it would work at all.
Anyhow, if not for Joerd ToastiusĘs guide I would not even have attempted exploration in the first place. Thanks, Dude!
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Oothoon
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Posted - 2007.08.29 03:12:00 -
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Greetings all.
Just trying to clear something up after reading the patch notes: do those lousy encounter sites still register as "unknown" with multispec probes after Rev 2.2 (now that encounters are filed under "cosmic anomalies"), or is there now differentiation between combat-exploration and encounter sites, beyond the inability of the on-board scanner to scan for the former?
Thanks. It's just not sinking in
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JJ McHawker
BazCo
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Oothoon Just trying to clear something up after reading the patch notes: do those lousy encounter sites still register as "unknown" with multispec probes after Rev 2.2 (now that encounters are filed under "cosmic anomalies"), or is there now differentiation between combat-exploration and encounter sites, beyond the inability of the on-board scanner to scan for the former?
I seems that they've tidied up the types of signature a bit.. the (apparently unused) Scrap class has gone and been replaced by Anomaly. At the same time, the small Encounter combat sites have taken on that Anomalies class.
So, true Exploration sites are found in the Cosmic Signature class, while Encounters are in the separate Anomalies class - a good thing. This also means that the on-board scanner can no longer be used to find true Exploration sites - again, a good thing.
At least, that how I'm reading it.
JJ
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JJ McHawker
BazCo
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sooplex ... The question I have is that when he was dropping quest probes and using the system map, a shiny perimeter appeared showing each probes coverage..
The "bubble" in the Solar System view is a bit buggy - I often find that they don't appear. Sometimes, when I have multiple probes out, 1 or 2 of them don't show, while the others do. Sometimes, switching between the standard, system and space views fixes this, but it's not guaranteed.
That said, I think Rev 2.2 has improved (fixed?) this - it's too early to say for sure, but since that patch I've not had this problem.
JJ
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GrayKestrel
Caldari Infinity Industrial and Investment
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi 1. Create a bookmark while bing in the site (open People & Places, choose the places tab, Add bookmark). 2. Select the bookmark, press and hold shift, while holding shift drag and drop the bookmark from people & places to your cargohold/hanger. 3. Direct Trade or Contract the bookmark to the miner. 4. The miner drags the bookmark to his people and places and can now use it to warp to the site.
Well, that is just nifty and highly convenient!
Now once you bookmark the site however, if you warp it will warp you to the center of the site if you leave and come back correct, regardless of where you bookmark in the site? ____________ Guides I like: Mining Guide V2.0.1 By Halada (Awesome guide!) |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.09.01 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: GrayKestrel
Well, that is just nifty and highly convenient!
Now once you bookmark the site however, if you warp it will warp you to the center of the site if you leave and come back correct, regardless of where you bookmark in the site?
Depends, if it's a gravimetric site (hidden belt) it will warp you to the place where you made the bookmark, in any other site it will warp you to the specific warp-in point. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Mighty Baz
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.04 18:34:00 -
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