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Zee Zen	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:58:00 - [1] I was trying to explain EVE to a female friend and I couldn't sufficiently explain why so many guys play as females. It's one aspect that turned her off to the game and people who spend a lot of time playing. Sure, her opinion might change if she played it, but it was frustrating to not have a strong explanation. In other games where you can see below shoulder level and can dress up in various more or less revealing clothing, it makes sense that players may want to be attracted to the player they're staring at constantly. But EVE relies so heavily on relationships and you pretty much never see yourself, what's the point here? It's been discussed here before how being a female can result in other players (they probably fall for a lot of scams) being more generous or forgiving. Most players it seems don't think in terms of male or female. Everyone's just a 'he' or an 'it', at least until they tell you otherwise. I'm certainly glad for the diversity -- ambulation will suck if a large part of the potential diversity of the population were eliminated. And the real females probably appreciate it too, as they are less likely to be harassed. This is a fantasy game and it's fun playing the part of someone very different from your real life self. You could ask whether you would, for example, PVP someone in real life too. Personally, it would be really cool to web someone's Porsche or pop a Hummer with a Heavy Missile. Or even magically transport someone home (pod them) when they're taking a shortcut through your neighborhood. (Assuming they're consenting, of course, like in a sporting event.) Every common in-game goal seems common in real life: accumulating wealth, acquiring power, gaining new skills, controlling territory, being a valued member of a team, creating valuable goods from raw materials, etc. This one aspect doesn't seem to have a common parallel, unless the number of men with this fantasy is rather high... If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here?
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:03:00 - [2] So this friend of yours does not want to play a game because some people have female characters while being male in real life? In my experience there are a few reasons most people that I have run into pick females: Scam They like women Other The Other category is the bunch of people I never cared to ask why they have a female character because I don't care. They go pop and drop loot just like everyone else =P --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Zee Zen If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? Usually males prefer looking at females more than looking at males, and in MMO's where your view is third person all of the time I'd much rather look at a females behind than some male's behind. It's just my preference.
Zee Zen	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:05:00 - [4] She doesn't play EVE for other reasons entirely, but the fact that gals are frequently guys here just made the whole thing kind of a joke to her.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 24/05/2007 15:07:05 For my part, if I play a female character, it's because I'd rather stare at a women than a men during all the time I play. And for game relations, it's much easier to join guilds /corps / groups with a female avatar than a male one. People instinctively speak more to women that man, which helps a lot for meeting people. You don't actually see the character in eve, so I chose a male character (first time in a MMORPG in ages). And yeah, I'm a guy. PS : and it's role playing. Playing a role means for me playing something you are not. If your friend doesn't get it, tell her it's like a movie (Ms Doubtfire ?), except that you make the story yourself instead of just passively watching.
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:06:00 - [6] There are three reasons. The 'Abraham' reason - to get free stuff. The 'Achura' reason - because the males are just plain fugly, whether you have to look at them lots or not. The 'Fely' reason - because you feel like a women inside.
Arathian Evasion FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:06:00 - [7] There was a hilarious bio regarding this subject, but I'm not ingame so I can't post it. It was a pretty good IC backstory regarding cross-gender roleplaying. Chemukh was the name I think.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Zee Zen She doesn't play EVE for other reasons entirely, but the fact that gals are frequently guys here just made the whole thing kind of a joke to her. Its probably mostly out of habit, from other MMORPGs. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Arathian Evasion FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:08:00 - [9] And to answer the question.... I roleplay a commando in eve, therefore...
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:10:00 - [10] For me the name comes first, then I choose the gender to match the name. I got this name from a little blue gerbil my wife owned. I dunno where she got the name from.
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:13:00 - [11] It's kinda simple. I am not my character. In a non-roleplaying sense, it is just an avatar, a picture on the screen. How an avatar with a female likeness being controlled by a male player could cause discomfort and distress in anyone is quite frankly beyond me.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:14:00 - [12] There are still some people out there who think you are supposed to play as yourself. Just with BIG guns / muscles / swords / spells. Those same people usually treat MMORPGs as socialising tools and/or 3d dating and cyb0ring clients. Those people take piracy, scams, etc ... personally and try to involve RL morals and / or laws. I really dont care about those people, and neither should you ...
Bentula	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:15:00 - [13] Its simple, you could class people in two categorys. The one category picks a character they would like to be, someone they adore or fantasize about to be. The other category picks a character they fantasize about to meet/share time with. Or in other words, if you where a god, and had the power to create a single being to share your time with, clean your room and stuff, would it be a man or a woman? People need to get over the idea that those squishy things they call brains in their head work the same for other people as they do for themselves. Just because you chose a character that represents you in the game doesnt mean that every character represents its creator. Some may be modelled after the lost first love, mother or a sister(with the other being female and playing the male version of his brother). In other words there might be hundreds of reasons, and to be honest pretending that all the people creating their characters following the same reasoning is a insult to the whole human race, but its ok, your in good company.
Cervalan Minmatar Starfield United Technologies LLP	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:18:00 - [14] You mean like these? ------ Economics 101 for the hard of thinking. Hazlett Economics in 1 lesson Rothbard Economics
R'olyat Gallente Raging Phoenix Incorporated North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:20:00 - [15] Well I made a chick because....I like hot chicks? Better to make a girl then some fugly male gallente. ___________________________ Fixed sig for t3h sig ninjaz.
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:21:00 - [16] I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:25:00 - [17] Personally I think it's pretty damn tragic that some people seem to look for hidden meaning behind what choice a player has made for their avatar.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Qui Shon on 24/05/2007 15:30:36 Originally by: Nero Scuro There are three reasons. The 'Abraham' reason - to get free stuff. The 'Achura' reason - because the males are just plain fugly, whether you have to look at them lots or not. The 'Fely' reason - because you feel like a women inside. Haha, ugly ftw! I spent ages trying to do something with this face, but finally just gave up. Also, the dev responsible really messed up the hairdo choices. How can you have a monk without him being bald! Give me bald heads for monks, dammit! I demand a razor for me head! What's this "fely"? I don't understand the reference. A related question would be how much the player identifies with their character? Eve isn't the most immersive game around, from a roleplaying perspective. There is no body, no human, to look at, just ships and a portrait. I have a female alt, but I don't distinguish in any way which character is more "me", neither is. If someone does something to me, like blow up my ship, they do it to "me", the player behind the character, not to "me", Qui Shon or "me", Sandra Tyrell. (Some bastard already took the first name Rachel) Other reasons I can think of: I'm sure it isn't so in many parts of the world, but around here gender equality has come a long way and gender based identities/roles don't overshadow your every choice in all things. If you look at teens today, (I don't mean look literally, i.e. not appearances) a large portion of them have gotten very much closer to each other in behavior, and thus the stretch to roleplay a girl isn't so large anymore. For example, ask your cosmetologist friend how fast the male customers are increasing in their field. Or look at so called emo kids, often their gender is indistinguishable at a glance.
Sekh Ondaari	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:29:00 - [19] Theres a very good reason for females to play as male characters - the prejudice. As a friend once put it, it seems males online believe the chances of them scoring is huge if they dash over some great things and flex with their characters. And well, some of us are simply not interested in this. Some of us like to seperate the two. Guess this however is a grand reasons for male players to play female characters. Heck, grab some daring snapshots of any female, put them in your bio and sell your GTC's and ships way way faster. Further on, this is a roleplaying game, why on earth would people choose not to play as females? Most senior players field a number of characters, they can impossible make them all as similiar to themselves irl as possible, as they would end up indentical?
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:32:00 - [20] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 24/05/2007 15:30:50 Do I like girls ? Yes, cool girls, cute girls, sexy girls, power-girls that kick ass, mysterious girls ... I don't play myself in MMORPGs. If I watch tombraider, I think Lara played by Angelina Jolie is hot, cool and a lot more at the same time. But watching a movie is a passive activity. In a MMORPG I play such a character myself and give him some life and character and let him do things, that come into my imagination and it's fun to see how things evolve. Other players do the same, you get new ideas, interact with other players, so it's really fun. I enjoy to do that and fantasize a bit from time to time. I enjoy to play my little female 'heros' or 'anti-heros' as much as my male ones. It's all about imagination. Has nothing to do with wanting to be a girl in RL. Maybe you have to play MMORGs more often to leave the conservative thinking behind that a man needs to play a male character or something like this and that his char his himself. You virtual heros can be anything you like him/her to be and the game allows. The char is there for you to play him/her the way you like and be entertained by what is happening. Nothing more. --------------------------------------------- snip
Koi Yokuma Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:32:00 - [21] After reading this post I analyzed for the first time why I picked a male over a female. The answer was simple really, I never thought to do otherwise. Now you have me wondering why so many people I know have female characters. I'll ask them and get back to you it, but I think some one hit the nail on the head; they're females trapped in male bodies. BTW I only wear female underwear when I PvP. I fly naked when running missions and mining.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? What The **** ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Tranny Caldari Ganksters Paradise EternalRising	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:53:00 - [23] Mmmmmmmm, now you know my secrets.
Lilian Long	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? What The **** Just read it: 'People have bought them for that wedding night.' I don't think that's a good idea, although guess they do their job, if you don't want kids already. One look on those panties is enough.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? What The ** Yeah what Joshua said..... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate** or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Kesh McCall Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. That changes once they get out of the diapers ... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars
Katarina Hetiako Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? LMAO... WTF indeed Yup, I'm an alt... if only you could see my main... he's so strong and tough!
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Banana Torres For me the name comes first, then I choose the gender to match the name. I got this name from a little blue gerbil my wife owned. I dunno where she got the name from. I'm guessing your wife has an enthusiasm for Star Trek: Voyager that you don't share ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:31:00 - [29] Edited by: Gaven Blands on 24/05/2007 16:30:42 Ok. True Story. Without divulging whether I am male or female, the reason I have this female avatar is because it is the closest image I could get to looking like Adolf ****. I don't RP. I don't pretend I am male or female. I just wanted to look like a mugshot of the man himself. EDIT: CCP actually censor the word ****. i dont really understand that Eve: Cheats prosper.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:33:00 - [30] i think your friend is just giving your bs reasons not to play eve ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? ROFL! Mate, you win Eve for that link! ------------------------------------- Hold my calls and sack my cook -------------------------------------
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Zee Zen I was trying to explain EVE to a female friend and I couldn't sufficiently explain why so many guys play as females. It's one aspect that turned her off to the game and people who spend a lot of time playing. Sure, her opinion might change if she played it, but it was frustrating to not have a strong explanation. In other games where you can see below shoulder level and can dress up in various more or less revealing clothing, it makes sense that players may want to be attracted to the player they're staring at constantly. But EVE relies so heavily on relationships and you pretty much never see yourself, what's the point here? It's been discussed here before how being a female can result in other players (they probably fall for a lot of scams) being more generous or forgiving. Most players it seems don't think in terms of male or female. Everyone's just a 'he' or an 'it', at least until they tell you otherwise. I'm certainly glad for the diversity -- ambulation will suck if a large part of the potential diversity of the population were eliminated. And the real females probably appreciate it too, as they are less likely to be harassed. This is a fantasy game and it's fun playing the part of someone very different from your real life self. You could ask whether you would, for example, PVP someone in real life too. Personally, it would be really cool to web someone's Porsche or pop a Hummer with a Heavy Missile. Or even magically transport someone home (pod them) when they're taking a shortcut through your neighborhood. (Assuming they're consenting, of course, like in a sporting event.) Every common in-game goal seems common in real life: accumulating wealth, acquiring power, gaining new skills, controlling territory, being a valued member of a team, creating valuable goods from raw materials, etc. This one aspect doesn't seem to have a common parallel, unless the number of men with this fantasy is rather high... If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? I had someone explain this sort of situation in an interesting way; if you are going play a game for 6 hours a day, 5 - 6 days a week, to you want to stare at a guy's face or a girls face?
Vasiliyan SURF Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:47:00 - [33] Gender seems to matter a lot less in eve because we act as ships or pods, and interact by text. Even when I've heard people's voices on TS, I don't mentally associate them with the portraits.
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:54:00 - [34] to be political correct, you know that womans always talking about man having all the good jobs etc, well pod pilot is the highest and to not offend them since it is primarely guys playing, some bodi is forced to play as a female so it looks like its a equely possesed job by both man and womans :P ;) ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
Duck Andcover Don't be Alarmed	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Banana Torres I got this name from a little blue gerbil my wife owned. I dunno where she got the name from. Depending on the geek level of your wife, it could be a reference to either B'elanna Torres in Star Trek: Voyager or Lt. Belena Torres in NYPD Mounted. Both played by Roxann Dawson.
PostWithYourMain Main Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:40:00 - [36] Originally by: SiJira i think your friend is just giving your bs reasons not to play eve For once I agree with SiJira.
Raquel Smith Caldari Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Zee Zen I was trying to explain EVE to a female friend and I couldn't sufficiently explain why so many guys play as females. It's one aspect that turned her off to the game and people who spend a lot of time playing. Sure, her opinion might change if she played it, but it was frustrating to not have a strong explanation. In other games where you can see below shoulder level and can dress up in various more or less revealing clothing, it makes sense that players may want to be attracted to the player they're staring at constantly. But EVE relies so heavily on relationships and you pretty much never see yourself, what's the point here? It's been discussed here before how being a female can result in other players (they probably fall for a lot of scams) being more generous or forgiving. Most players it seems don't think in terms of male or female. Everyone's just a 'he' or an 'it', at least until they tell you otherwise. I'm certainly glad for the diversity -- ambulation will suck if a large part of the potential diversity of the population were eliminated. And the real females probably appreciate it too, as they are less likely to be harassed. This is a fantasy game and it's fun playing the part of someone very different from your real life self. You could ask whether you would, for example, PVP someone in real life too. Personally, it would be really cool to web someone's Porsche or pop a Hummer with a Heavy Missile. Or even magically transport someone home (pod them) when they're taking a shortcut through your neighborhood. (Assuming they're consenting, of course, like in a sporting event.) Every common in-game goal seems common in real life: accumulating wealth, acquiring power, gaining new skills, controlling territory, being a valued member of a team, creating valuable goods from raw materials, etc. This one aspect doesn't seem to have a common parallel, unless the number of men with this fantasy is rather high... If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? Irony alert. Assuming that all readers are male when making a post about the game being male dominated.
RuriHoshino Minmatar The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:48:00 - [38] For me it's roleplaying. I always thought that if I was really going to fly a ship in space, it would have to be the Nadesico. Plus, in the anime the character I'm named after is literally described as being able to plug herself into the ship to make it run, which seemed like a perfect fit for EVE. Besides, if you show me a male WoW character with huge muscles and big swords, I'll show you the skinniest kid in his class. Avatars mean precisely nothing in a game where you play as a ship, not a character. The Mission Guys - Scavenging the remains of our fallen enemies since 2007.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:01:00 - [39] In various games, either pen & paper or on PC or online, I've played Paladins, Priests, Samurai, Rogues, Illusionists, Necromancers, Mercenaries, Hit-men, Rock musicians, Drug dealers, Starship captains.... why it is weird that I would play some of them as a woman?
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. It doesn't really count as "knowing" when you have them organised in a folder on D:/
Koi Yokuma Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. It doesn't really count as "knowing" when you have them organised in a folder on D:/ LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
The Lesson Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:36:00 - [42] Edited by: The Lesson on 24/05/2007 18:34:42 <---Alt of The Pointless. Why do I play a female character? Semi-roleplay, I guess. It's not for me to ogle at a pair of polygonal boobs, that's for sure, and it sure as hell isn't to give anyone else a pair to ogle at. (Trying to find the best way to explain it...) Basically, when the EVE client asks me to create a character, that's what I do. Create. I don't just let the randomly-chosen option decide and leave the character in its default pose (ergo staring straight at the camera) nor do a make the character look as ****ty or psychotic as possible, with the eyes rolled back to create that 'no-pupils' look, which I personally find lame, I work on the face until I think it looks good, then set up a nice, slightly dramatic pose - Wondering what's caught this character's eye, by the way? In-game, I just be myself. I don't act 'girly' at all nor do I flirt with anyone, yet if I fail to reveal that I am a bloke... well, the dirty minds seem to kick in. (You know, that's probably why some of my posts get misconstrued as personal attacks and trolling. I'm too 'to the point', I suppose) --------------------------- School is in session
Tellenta White-Noise	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:36:00 - [43] Edited by: Tellenta on 24/05/2007 18:35:19 hmm i tried selecting a name, after many many many tries I hit with this one. followed by the fact it sounds like a chicks name I went and set my avatar to match. Hows that for a complex reason for choosing the sex of the character
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:41:00 - [44] I can't believe that we're on the second page and nobody has pointed out that MMORPG means Many Men Online Role Playing Girls. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:41:00 - [45] The only place where portraits matter in EVE is the forums. In game you might as well not have one. I'd be for the removal of them entirely... but then I think we would loose initial subscriptions because people think it matters before they start playing in earnest. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Krysta Gemme	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:43:00 - [46] Jees... ...haven't we grown out of this by now? I ended this discussion when guys would ask why I played Chun-Li in Street Fighter. "Because she'll kick your f'in ass moron."
Felysta Sandorn Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 24/05/2007 15:30:36 Originally by: Nero Scuro There are three reasons. The 'Abraham' reason - to get free stuff. The 'Achura' reason - because the males are just plain fugly, whether you have to look at them lots or not. The 'Fely' reason - because you feel like a women inside. Haha, ugly ftw! I spent ages trying to do something with this face, but finally just gave up. Also, the dev responsible really messed up the hairdo choices. How can you have a monk without him being bald! Give me bald heads for monks, dammit! I demand a razor for me head! What's this "fely"? I don't understand the reference. Not a lot of people would... Cheeky little... Uh, I play a woman in games because I have done for the last 5 years... I made up the name 'Felysta Sandorn', played it in a game and someone said 'bit girly for a guys name isnt it?' so I changed to a female avatar... Think that was in Star Wars: Jedi Knight or some other multiplayer FPS... Anyway, Felysta is a unique name, I made it up, no-one else has it, so it's mine! If you see anyone in any other game called 'Felysta', it's either me, or I am their idol... There is/was also a character in EVE called 'Felysta Sandornss' that was pretending to be me, so they got promptly petitioned and sued for identity theft... Plus I wish I was a woman! Also, if your friend is put off because some men make female avatars, she's an idiot... I know women that play this game that have male characters and female characters. You could ask yourself 'what makes women play this game with a male avatar?' the answer would be the same: 'who cares?!' The good thing about MMOGs is that you have no idea who you're playing with most of the time! And that's a good thing! I used to play PlanetSide with two people in the Iraqi military who have fought against the British... Does that make a difference in game? No! I've played WoW with people half my age with twice my skill... Does that make a difference in game? No! (although they do go to bed earlier than me)... Sex? Race? Who cares! Just play the game! Latest Video, Click Here!
Felysta Sandorn Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:56:00 - [48] And yes, I wear womens underwear... Latest Video, Click Here!
DaTroller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. I could make a really sick comment, oh H3ll whynot! Can you really consider them women when they're still in diapers? I'm getting into the Exclamation mark avatar
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:08:00 - [50] Shims don't bother me. I don't play looking for a hook up. That said, members of my corp do have issues with it, and its a stated rule on joining that your toons have to match your gender. Do I look down on someone for playing cross gender? Nope, I even know women who play men to avoid the neverending evolution of the a/s/l game. So to me, if the avatar's female, I address you as female until I learn otherwise. Its no big thing for me to be told in a chat that a fem-toon is a dude at the keyboard, I've been around too long to be shocked by it anymore. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. Where are these women you speak of and how can I meet them? As far as my own avater, it kind of has to be a guy, since "Bishounen" means "Pretty Boy" in Japanese. I chose it because it's unique, and very few guys would willingly refer to themselves as "pretty boys" so it's almost always available when I want to sign up for something. (yes, I'm a guy) Although I do get some funny looks now and again from guys like Backdoor Bandit...
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:14:00 - [52] Originally by: DaTroller I could make a really sick comment, oh H3ll whynot! Can you really consider them women when they're still in diapers? Ahem. That is all.
DaTroller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:21:00 - [53] I guess I can't flaimbait and derail a thread that's allready derailed, what's with all this name stuff anyway? Fly this or that? Anyway what the heck is the Bistot Kid looking at? I feel like climbming up the post and smacking him upside the head! I'm getting into the Exclamation mark avatar
Ysira Amarr Mortis et Excidium Cold Steel Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:24:00 - [54] a) Women are beautiful, Men are not (most of them). I usually choose a female avatar in most mmorpgs, unless RP reasons lead me to another choice. b) The avatar is not your RL persona. Because someone has a hooded amarr, he is no monk in RL. ;) c) Yes, maybe I would like to be a woman in RL, who knows?
Kirjava Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:28:00 - [55] I name my toons after charecters in books. Im normaly constantly reading some fiction (Absolution Gap by Alastair Reynolds), so if I was to make an alt now I would pick one of the charecters and name it after them, simple...
Kirjava Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Ysira a) Women are beautiful, Men are not (most of them). I usually choose a female avatar in most mmorpgs, unless RP reasons lead me to another choice. b) The avatar is not your RL persona. Because someone has a hooded amarr, he is no monk in RL. ;) c) Yes, maybe I would like to be a woman in RL, who knows? True, i have made it a point ingame to make sure noone knows for sure which I am, people guess both ways so I would say its working
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:35:00 - [57] Because deep, deep down they're pirates.....butt pirates. ------------------------------------------------- Attention Devs, for every isk you send me one member of your family will be returned safely.
Shalia Ripper Caldari High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:52:00 - [58] Edited by: Shalia Ripper on 24/05/2007 19:51:57 If I wanted to spend my EVEtime looking at a handsome guy, I would just mount a mirror to my monitor. So I use mostly female characters. P.S. Yes, to the question. Big old GRANNIE PANTIES, tbh.
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:00:00 - [59] i chose to play a man because the deteis hairstyles for men are LOL!!!!
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Ah So OK so anyone have a problem with a girl playing a male char? Not surprised to be honest. I've come across women who play male characters, not just in EVE though. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:07:00 - [61] Originally by: Ah So OK so anyone have a problem with a girl playing a male char? OMG, a girl?! I don't really picture real people behind the images, it makes the scams harder to bear.
Syril Mert Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:11:00 - [62] Because..... I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
Captain Neutron Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:51:00 - [63] Edited by: Captain Neutron on 24/05/2007 20:50:44 What's wrong with wearing womens underwear? edit - still no effin avatar!!! ............................................... WTB - Avatar
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Syril Mert Because..... I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay Quote: I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK I sleep all night and I work all day. Chorus: He's a lumberjack and he's OK He sleeps all night and he works all day. I cut down trees, I eat my lunch I go to the lavatory. On Wednesdays I go shopping and have buttered scones for tea Mounties: He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch He goes to the lavatory. On Wednesdays he goes shopping and has buttered scones for tea. Chorus: He's a lumberjack and he's OK He sleeps all night and he works all day. I cut down trees, I skip and jump I like to press wild flowers. I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars. Mounties: He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps He likes to press wild flowers. He puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars?! Chorus: He's a lumberjack and he's OK He sleeps all night and he works all day. I cut down trees, I wear high heels Suspenders and a bra. I wish I'd been a girlie, just like my dear Papa!! Mounties: I cut down trees, I wear high heels?! Suspenders...and a bra?!... Just the Lumberjack: I wish I'd been a girlie, just like my dear Papa!! Python FTW. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:27:00 - [65] I play a male character.. Two actually. My wife plays a female.. Sadly not a proper Gallente Neither of us wear panties.
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:49:00 - [66] Originally by: Zee Zen If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? I've got to admit that it's a little disturbing to interact with this cute little avatar for a while and then run into them on vent and hear this deep man's voice... I always imagine him sitting at his computer in a neglege... shudders Thanks for bringing this up. Space just got a little creepier.
Apollyon X FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:01:00 - [67] Its because they secretly want to be women in RL but they can't so they have to rp it here.
Bentula	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:53:00 - [68] Edited by: Bentula on 24/05/2007 22:56:39 Originally by: Apollyon X Its because they secretly want to be women in RL but they can't so they have to rp it here. Says the one who looks like a gothic ***** junkie having a hard time dealing with the withdrawal . Edit: What the ... that wasnt really that offensive ... i just mentionend the kokain based drug which gets smoked and is renown for its very high addicting effect ...
Chelone	Posted - 2007.05.25 00:09:00 - [69] I'm not my character, so it's hardly "wearing women's underwear." The real truth is, I wanted Khanid, and I wanted a guy, but I didn't want to look like a SAMURAI. So that's the reason. The guys in this game are UGLY.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.05.25 18:57:00 - [70] Edited by: Bish Ounen on 25/05/2007 18:56:52 Originally by: Chelone The guys in this game are UGLY. Yeah, what's up with that? How come the chicks are mostly hot, but the guys are mostly FUGLY? I mean, I'm in no way homosexual, but I can appreciate good looks in another man. Frankly I'd rather like my avatar to match up with my character name!
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:05:00 - [71] Who wears underwear? ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Faye Valerii	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Zee Zen I was trying to explain EVE to a female friend and I couldn't sufficiently explain why so many guys play as females. It's one aspect that turned her off to the game and people who spend a lot of time playing. Sure, her opinion might change if she played it, but it was frustrating to not have a strong explanation. In other games where you can see below shoulder level and can dress up in various more or less revealing clothing, it makes sense that players may want to be attracted to the player they're staring at constantly. But EVE relies so heavily on relationships and you pretty much never see yourself, what's the point here? It's been discussed here before how being a female can result in other players (they probably fall for a lot of scams) being more generous or forgiving. Most players it seems don't think in terms of male or female. Everyone's just a 'he' or an 'it', at least until they tell you otherwise. I'm certainly glad for the diversity -- ambulation will suck if a large part of the potential diversity of the population were eliminated. And the real females probably appreciate it too, as they are less likely to be harassed. This is a fantasy game and it's fun playing the part of someone very different from your real life self. You could ask whether you would, for example, PVP someone in real life too. Personally, it would be really cool to web someone's Porsche or pop a Hummer with a Heavy Missile. Or even magically transport someone home (pod them) when they're taking a shortcut through your neighborhood. (Assuming they're consenting, of course, like in a sporting event.) Every common in-game goal seems common in real life: accumulating wealth, acquiring power, gaining new skills, controlling territory, being a valued member of a team, creating valuable goods from raw materials, etc. This one aspect doesn't seem to have a common parallel, unless the number of men with this fantasy is rather high... If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? I just figured it's much more fun to try and make a beautiful female in the facegen. It's also nice, with ambulation coming up, to not have to stare at man-ass all day long. My second account is a guy tho, for variety : )
tsilb	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti Thanks for bringing this up. Space just got a little creepier. lol Had a feeling this was going to be overlooked and wanted to make sure it was acknowledged properly as being funny. That is all.
Stitcher Caldari DarkStar Armada	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:36:00 - [74] There are some guys I know (they know who they are) who I simply could never picture playing a male character. Sometimes, guys are more girly than the real girls are. I know one of them in particular consistently (and accidentally) confuses people into thinking he's actually a girl in real life. Sometimes it's a "something nice to look at" situation... sometimes, guys really just don't work well playing male characters. ***
Tanria	Posted - 2007.05.25 20:54:00 - [75] Edited by: Tanria on 25/05/2007 20:53:25 Edited by: Tanria on 25/05/2007 20:53:12 For this alt I chose a female simply because I like looking at her, she is hot My main is male, but I have a few alts who are all female. grrr no av.
Chapparal	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:15:00 - [76] This is the FUNNIEST thread I have read in a long while! I thought Implants were something to be desired... The doctor just misunderstood.
D Jed AtomiCorp	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:22:00 - [77] I never thought to NOT make a female character. vv
William Alex Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:23:00 - [78] I always wear women's underwear. Please give us a 1 depth skill queue CCP.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:25:00 - [79] I usually make a male main with all female alts. station walking will in all liklihood increase the number of crossdressing players.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:29:00 - [80] I created a female alt...because I just wanted to. What other reason is there. If I want to create a female character i'll create a female character whats the deal.. ..it's only weird if the man starts pretending to be female on the female character. I mean most female characters I know say things like "I have a *****" or "I just humped my dog you bastard" so clearly it is not weird and actually more funny. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:29:00 - [81] It's an RPG, what does it matter what the gender of your character is and whether it is the same as your own gender? It's not you, it's a character in a game. It can be whatever you want it to be and the game allows. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:31:00 - [82] Originally by: Zee Zen If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? What is this "underwear" that you speak of? Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Takayoru WMFRR Corp	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:19:00 - [83] JERRY Well it looks like you've adjusted to the boxers.. KRAMER Wellll, I wouldn't go as far as that. JERRY You went back to the Jockeys? KRAMER Wrong again. JERRY [pause] Oh, no.. ELAINE What? What?.. JERRY Don't you see what's goin' on here??? .. No boxers, no Jockeys.. ELAINE Eeaawww... JERRY The only thing between him and us is a thin layer of gabardine.. JERRY Kramer, say it isn't so. KRAMER Oh, it be so. I'm out there, Jerry, an' I'm lllooovin' every minute of it!!! JERRY Don't you need a little.. help? KRAMER Surprisingly, no. I'm freee, I'm unfettered.. [opens door to leave, still very happy, then:] I'm like a naked innocent boy rrroamin' the countryside!!
Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:28:00 - [84] lol why was the tomb raider a female? because it's much nicer for us blokes to look at a nice pare of hips instead an unshaven square jaw ccp add hips to the game!!! Lucy, under the street Light - Everytime you shoot me, CCP kills a carebear. - Could somebody please think of the carebears?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:29:00 - [85] In EVE, you control your avatar, you aren't your avatar. Hence, having a female avatar as a male controller is nothing unusual. As previously said, everybody assumes you're an "it" or a "he" anyway, regardless of actual RL gender. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:29:00 - [86] ** ;) i meant ** ;P Lucy, under the street Light - Everytime you shoot me, CCP kills a carebear. - Could somebody please think of the carebears?
Popsikle Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:31:00 - [87] Originally by: Zee Zen pop a Hummer Too much info. ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:32:00 - [88] A lot of people who play characters of the opposite sex see themselves not so much as their character as their character's mentor, guardian angel, call it what you will. Someone helping this member of the opposite sex to achieve greatness. ----- Currently playing: Hello Kitty Online Character: Evil Kitty of DEATH
justcheckingthemarket	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:33:00 - [89] i do wear women's underwear, it's quite comfortable, you guys should try it too!
Lo Pann Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:46:00 - [90] my lady likes me in panties.
JADE DRAG0NESS Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:48:00 - [91] I prefer to play eve naked so when i fight someone i can let them know that 'im naked and getting thrills from this fight'. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Trishan Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:51:00 - [92] Originally by: Qui Shon Haha, ugly ftw! I spent ages trying to do something with this face, but finally just gave up. Also, the dev responsible really messed up the hairdo choices. How can you have a monk without him being bald! Give me bald heads for monks, dammit! I demand a razor for me head! FWIW, the razoring is called tonsure.
Berand Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:53:00 - [93] Geez, I rarely know if the person I'm dealing with has a male or female avatar, and unless they start adding avatar icons to the overview, I imagine I'll continue to not know. The only thing that gives it away is the name to me, and of course the voice over TS if it comes to that. No sexism here. Everyone looks the same with the blinking yellow brackets around their ships icon :P Berand
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:56:00 - [94] fwiw back when i was playing UO a friend of mine and his lady friend argued about whether she got treated better for being a female char than he did as a male. in the interests of resolving this they proceeded to make up a new pair of char with reversed sexes. they discovered that she had indeed been better treated than she was as a guy.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Zee Zen ...but the fact that gals are frequently guys here just made the whole thing kind of a joke to her. Does 'roleplay' ring anything at her? Why do people play evil pirates here? Because they want to kill people in real life and can't do it there? I doubt that. Why are people destroying other peoples ships? Because they can't smash their neighbours car in real life and so compensate their feelings here? I doubt that. Why are males playing females? Because they can't be females in real life and want it to be, so they play females here? I doubt that also. Maybe just most of the males just don't want to stare at an ugly male face everytime when they log in? I can easily believe that they instead would like to see a nice femals (face) greeting them and welcome them to Eve. Sounds at least reasonable to me.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:56:00 - [96] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 22/06/2007 20:55:41 Somehow I imagine that there are far more Brutor/Sebeister females than males. Primarily because Minmatar men seem to be rather ugly. (EDIT: I fail at posting on my minmatar alt, oh well ) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Shalia Ripper Caldari High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:59:00 - [97] Why ignore 50% of char creation just because I am male? Besides, male chars are fugly in EveO
Cactus Tarantula Nomads Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Hllaxiu Edited by: Hllaxiu on 22/06/2007 20:55:41 Somehow I imagine that there are far more Brutor/Sebeister females than males. Primarily because Minmatar men seem to be rather ugly. (EDIT: I fail at posting on my minmatar alt, oh well ) HEY!! Calling me ugly!! Grrrrrr
Mari Onette	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:05:00 - [99] I have a female avatar cause i like to cyber and post the logs after getting people to reveal embarassing personal information. Not really. When I thought of the name Mari Onette, I absolutely had to use it. You dont give a name like Mari to a male character. The more interesting question in my opinion is why is your female friend is so hung up on the fact that some guys play girls? Why does it matter what picture i have? It's a game, it's not real, and it's not like I'm planning to seduce anyone (that may not be true for everyone I guess). Theres a difference between having a female avatar, and representing yourself as a female. Most of the people I know with female avatars do not represent themselves as female, they usually use male or gender neutral pronouns (except for RP reasons.) Personally, I try to avoid any sort of gendered pronouns in my speech unless I'm talking about my characters in the third person "Mari has 2 days left before she gets astrometrics 5" "damnit Adam just lost his ship". If someone wants to know my gender, they can ask and I'll tell them, but I fail to see how its relivant to playing the game. People who spend a lot of time in the real world tend to get hung up on things like gender because they closely associate gender with the substance of who a person is. . On the net, it's different. Who you are is not represented by gender, age, or race. You represent yourself with your words, and in english at least, words dont have genders. When you think of the substance of a person being their thoughts and acts, and not their avatar, things like the gender rapidly become unimportant, UNLESS you want to have sex with them.
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:14:00 - [100] Originally by: Hllaxiu Edited by: Hllaxiu on 22/06/2007 20:55:41 Somehow I imagine that there are far more Brutor/Sebeister females than males. Primarily because Minmatar men seem to be rather ugly. (EDIT: I fail at posting on my minmatar alt, oh well ) Minmatar females are hawt.
Kage Psychodin Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:31:00 - [101] Originally by: Lo Pann my lady likes me in panties. [derail] I like my man in panties. Yes, I am a guy. [/derail] Another one bites the dust.
Lira Lu	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:32:00 - [102] Originally by: Ethaet Minmatar females are hawt. Kisses <3
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:38:00 - [103] Originally by: Shalia Ripper males are fugly fixed ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:44:00 - [104] Originally by: Banana Torres For me the name comes first, then I choose the gender to match the name. I got this name from a little blue gerbil my wife owned. I dunno where she got the name from. My theory.. She watched Star Wreck Voyager.. Character Be'Lanna Torres liked banana pancakes Making Banana Torres... My theory at least ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Artavan Gomani Gallente Financial Security Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.22 22:06:00 - [105] Fundamentally, the genders are an illusion, having no lasting permanent reality. It will continue to be a topic of confusion and attachment to anyone who clings to their apparent reality. Play what you want, try not to become perplexed.
Wild Xenria Gallente Space Locusts	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:59:00 - [106] Haven't read the whole thread but a slightly off topic reply to the OP. Some people aren't very good at dealing with people online... For example: A few weeks ago both myself and my partner were logged, I was docked he was scanning for exploration sites. We were chatting to corp mates inbetween cooking dinner. Bit of a mishap with boiling water ends up with my partner burning his arm. So best way to deal with a burn anyone? Yup, keep it under running cold water for 10-15 mins. So I go to his account, tell his ship to dock for safety and type in "We'll be away a while guys, bit of an accident, ---- has burnt his arm, not too serious (btw its ----)" When we come back we find one of our corp mates accusing us of mind games because I typed that message on my partners account.... Ok bit of a long story, but basically maybe it not so much the fact that guys play girl chars... but that she cant be sure people are what they say they are. Though that really does apply to anything online. My first online game was diablo 2, I got so used to sorc = female, paladin = male etc I now barely register male or female when looking at chars, til I start talking to the player of course. Maybe it's partly because I loved playing paladins and my partner loved playing amazons (yup I'm the girl in this pair). Anyhows, final thought, in an online game where you're sometime in the future and are in a pod full of goo most of the time... why shouldnt anyone play any char? (Including girls wanting to play male chars if they so choose, not just guys wanting to play female chars).
Jei'son Bladesmith Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:13:00 - [107] Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. Then we need to hang out more Personally I made a female reprocesing alt just so I could put the phrase "Nubile Slave Alt" in her bio. I'm many things, shallow and self-centered being foremost among them *☼☼☼ Don't even THINK about it rookie...I have all my capacitor and more hit points than you can POSSIBLY imagine. ☼☼☼*
Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:37:00 - [108] An interesting thought: If eve-voice is integrated into ambulation, it would smoke out all of the imposters, no? Wouldn't it be disturbing if you stepped onto an elevator, looked over at the Gallente tart beside you, said "Hi!" and a man answered back? Could be funny. I sincerely hope they don't make communication the floating-text spam it is in other MMOs. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:16:00 - [109] Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 23/06/2007 08:21:38 Originally by: Admus If eve-voice is integrated into ambulation, it would smoke out all of the imposters, no? Wouldn't it be disturbing if you stepped onto an elevator, looked over at the Gallente tart beside you, said "Hi!" and a man answered back? Could be funny. It's an immersion breaker of course. My chars aren't supposed to be me, so if the chars use my voice it's a bit anti-roleplay and with female chars, really an rp killer. Although I am not really roleplaying hardcore like the so-called roleplayers, I understand games like this as roleplay games. That's why I start to play them in the first place. If I create a char and enter the gameworld, I create a virtual person that is going to discover that virtual world. I'm giving this character some life and sharing his experiences with him. That's how I play my chars, especially if I like them. So if I create a female char, a girl, then I see her as a girl ! That isn't me, I only steer her to this world, give her a virtual life and share the experiences with her. That's why I also consider the question of other players that ask me, if I am really a girl, as an immersion breaker. If I talk to random people in the gameworld, they are talking to my char, not to me, so asking my female char, if she is really a girl, is kind of an insult ! If a stranger asks this, I think he's a nub ! I never answer that clearly, except the one, who asks, is a friend. Like I said my chars aren't me, I give them some virtual life, steer them through the world, share their experiences, which is quite interesting and if I steer my female char through the world, then she is a 'she' and I want her to be treated that way. I see and treat her myself as a 'she'. That's the whole reason why I made her female in the first place ! Ok, in daily pvp life with teamspeak and my 2 male pvp mains, I don't care that much. Then I'm usually only in I-want-to-kick-butts-mode. But in the more silent moments it's like I said before. P.S.: I've played several games and I see/treat/play my female chars as if they are females, although I block, if someone tries to date me. Then I run away, because I have more important stuff to do or so. The idea that another male gets some feelings, because my little char looks hot and I play her too well, makes me a bit afraid.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:28:00 - [110] 1) Girls have more fun. Trust me. 2) I posted my ass in a pink thong... so in regards to the OP... ;-p 3) its a game... 4) **** or GTFO as per 4chan. 5) Pics or STFU (tm SJ) /me lurks again... SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
Renosha Argaron Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:07:00 - [111] Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 23/06/2007 15:09:31 A: Your friend is clearly a moron or she just does'nt wanna play with you.....lol B: Saying "Every common in-game goal seems common in real life" & "This one aspect doesn't seem to have a common parallel, unless the number of men with this fantasy is rather high" is kinda dumb....if this was WoW (World Of Warcraft) would your friend complain about there not being enough pixies & Goblins in RL to? C: Men have female chars BECAUSE THE BLOOMIN WELL CAN IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO ....im really sick of seeing these topics crop up over and over again....get over it ffs....move on......if your so curious then get yourself a female char and see what the appeal is for yourself. P.s....i dont usualy get ratty over topics but ffs...lol P.P.S To answer your question...yes i offten wear woman's underwear ......pink frilly knickers, while playing eve under my pink spacesuit and shiney pink helmit!....lol....you got a problem with that to?.....lol Regards Renosha
SiJira	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:43:00 - [112] what if i am a chinese farmer playing a minmatar pirate? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:55:00 - [113] Originally by: Lisento Slaven So this friend of yours does not want to play a game because some people have female characters while being male in real life? In my experience there are a few reasons most people that I have run into pick females: Scam They like women Other The Other category is the bunch of people I never cared to ask why they have a female character because I don't care. They go pop and drop loot just like everyone else =P generally speaking, many males who play male characters will go easier on a female character, assuming they're being nice to a sweet girl... yeah, no. i play a female character, in most other games i have used it to blag free stuff - not scam, just befriend richer characters, and play on their... well hormones. let them believe you're a girl, and the will shower you with riches. then you tell them you're a bloke, and leg it. this used to be an ammusing passtime for a group of us in WoW, we made a guild full of characters for this expressed purpose, and laughed our way to the bank. of course, i never did any of that in EVE, i took this game seriously, and my main reason for having a female avatar is thus: of course, there is the thought that most female characters are more astheticly pleasing than male ones - especially given that most minmatar (which i am) male characters vaguely resemble Orcs. and frankly, i didn't want to look like an Orc, but i did want to play as minmatar. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Luna Nilaya Black-Mesa THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:27:00 - [114] I actually regret choosing a female character. When I started I just thought that female starship captain must be the coolest thing and I've always kinda wanted to have a daughter instead of son, so I decided to create a female character. Gender doesn't matter if you're playing solo, but when you join in a corp and people start to call you with your characters name, it really starts to bug me. But I guess I can live with it :)
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:35:00 - [115] It's a political game and being a chick improves your chances of success in a lot of cases where you want something. That and some people are just f-ing weirdos who made a chick character for no good reason, other than yeah, they probably like silk panties. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Acacia Everto State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:55:00 - [116] Originally by: Nero Scuro There are three reasons. The 'Abraham' reason - to get free stuff. The 'Achura' reason - because the males are just plain fugly, whether you have to look at them lots or not. The 'Fely' reason - because you feel like a women inside. QFT.
GPerson Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:08:00 - [117] I read the thread title, but was quite suprised that the auther wasn't Parmizan. ~~~Sig Stuffs Here~~~ I highly recommend drunken posting. This sig has been unhighjacked since 2005.
Morela Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:09:00 - [118] I took over this char from my female roomate.. I was way to lazy to start a new one.. :) Oh that and I wanna be FAAABULOUSSS.. har har :)
Liliane Woodhead Intergalactic Charwomen	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:21:00 - [119] I prefer no underware at all, cos the global climatic heating up. No, i don't mean that in jita. Here on the planet. And i suggest you to have enough beer / wine / egg-liquor nowadays with all these server problems. When someone wants it, we can start a "exchange the underwear"-project. .oO(No one speaks about women who like to wear wide calvin kline boppers :P). Or .... sell old lingerie for GTC Yours (not naked) Liliane "keep that space clean" Woodhead.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:53:00 - [120] Edited by: X99 Z990 on 24/06/2007 04:52:53 Im kinky and male achura look pretty silly. Male Caldari - eh kinda rugged. Female Caldari - armor looks cooler, look like they mean way more business. Male Gallante - Pretty swish hair. Female Gallante - They have way more decoration and flare, better looking really. Male Minmatar - Ok these look pretty neat. Female Minmatar - Also look quite cool really. Amarr Male - Old man or ugly pedofile... hrmm which one do i pick? Amarr Female - Look far better and have more decoration. I got a little carried away but i just think the males always look old, weary and have little decoration. Females look far more exciting and such. Edit : Female Intaki is the best looking avatar i think.
MouseOnMars The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:57:00 - [121] The reason why all my chars are female is because the female character offers more freedom of choice when it comes to customising appearance. The only male character that's even remotely close is possibly the pure amarr and civire. For those two I don't really mind it.
Mingmei Lien Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.24 05:19:00 - [122] Edited by: Mingmei Lien on 24/06/2007 05:21:58 Edited by: Mingmei Lien on 24/06/2007 05:20:27 Originally by: Zee Zen If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? LOL * I am female. I'm also a mom of a kid who is also a gamer. * I am a geek.(took cs ages ago, starting tech school this fall as an adult learner, self taught on unix, amature radio license, etc) * I'm a gamer and have been since Atari had pong and my brother built a keypunch computer. * If it was a thong uh no of course I wouldn't want to wear something that gives me a continuous wedgie. It's like the mens boxer brief discussion you know. Though ok more speedo or swim trunks maybe. Btw ever heard the song "Walking 'round in womens underwear"? Radio station has been playing it for years at holiday time.(something of your post -first post on this- reminds me of that) * I have never in any game I play hit up another player for stuff using my being female. I don't think much of those that do. My son has had to contend with such in the MMORPG he plays. :-P * I don't exactly hide I'm female in the MMORPGS I play but then again many men play female characters(thinking they look better so one guy told me) and some women play men(figuring they'll get bothered less). So nobody knows unless someone asks or they know the player offline.(my ex who is my friend plays this game and he's why I started playing it) Despite the cross gender playing I tend to think of the person as the gender they are playing. This has left me confused in one MMORPG because one friends real name is also one that is used by both genders. lol Knowing the gender wouldn't change a thing about our friendship in or out of the game(we do talk elsewhere too) I had one guy I met in one MMORPG warn me I probably shouldn't mention my gender to people as I will get bugged. Ironically he then proceeded to sexually harass me. He just didn't want someone else to as well I guess. LOL But at least in some MMORPGS there is the /ignore <username> for that issue. * I did try playing the opposite gender in one MMORPG. It ended suddenly when one day this cute(gnomes are all cute) walks up to me and says how she loves guys with long purple hair.(I just couldn't quite RP that and well male elf death animation was overly annoying and well at some point you do die) * PVP in real life? Oh sure actually. No I don't really harm them but I am a self advocate and I have "dealt" with people. ;-) So their hp was low mine was at full, and I did get some reward for the effort. Contrary to how that might sound I actually don't like confrontation and prefer trying to reason with people.(I don't really PvP too terribly much in video games)
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:14:00 - [123] Edited by: Malcanis on 24/06/2007 08:14:49 One of my characters is female. I didn't even notice when I got her; I only cared about the skills. Surely a feminist's dream...? PS: to answer the original question - I don't wear it at all.
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Zee Zen She doesn't play EVE for other reasons entirely, but the fact that gals are frequently guys here just made the whole thing kind of a joke to her. Have you also pointe dout to her, that a big majority of 'real life' women who play, play male characters?
Cyrstal	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:39:00 - [125] Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me.
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:55:00 - [126] Edited by: Sicil Fioet on 24/06/2007 10:55:03 Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Have you also pointe dout to her, that a big majority of 'real life' women who play, play male characters? I wonder what she'd make of us. I have a few male characters that I made without really thinking along with the female ones I have. Originally by: Zee Zen If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? You cannot draw parallels between female and male underwear and playing female or male characters because the underwear was specifically made to accomodate female and male physical features and cultural standards. Characters in EVE are not made specifically to accomodate males or females or to any cultural standard. It is not like you are required to act any differently if you got character of opposite gender. In EVE very few people roleplay and most treat other players equally despite what their icon is showing. So there is no point of asking this question in relation to EVE really. It is totally wrong comparison.
Triss S'Jet Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:59:00 - [127] I play female character because I can! I'm also not sure what does the player gender has to do with character gender. We play a game character not ourselves, geez... some people take games too serious.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:10:00 - [128] In response to the OP: When the occasion calls for it. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:39:00 - [129] Gee, is it that time of the month alreay again? I could have sworn I saw this topic come up only a few days ago... To me the realy question is: If people pretend to be space ship captains firing giant weapons that throw volkswagen sized projectiles onto other imaginary space ship captains, in an imaginary universe far far away that strangly enough has completely different physical laws from our universe, then why exactly is it their pretend gender that bothers you?
Fswd	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:22:00 - [130] Your GF is pathetic, 'nuff said --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.24 15:50:00 - [131] I would certainly not stick metal in my face irl. ----- Currently playing: Hello Kitty Online Character: Evil Kitty of DEATH
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:11:00 - [132] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 24/06/2007 16:10:28 I haven't really regarded all the replies on this thread before writing this, but would this be an appropriate forum to say "Yes" on the matter in the topic? With the disclaimer of "only in good company" ofcourse So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Disima Santet Minmatar Aziam	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:41:00 - [133] omg omg omg why do girls play with kens and barbies and boys play with toys that are clearly female - must be something seriously wrong with these children ... and the stores that allow them to buy toys of opposite gender to play with
Messerschmitt facility Amarr Shinra	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:52:00 - [134] I would chose a female char over a male due to attributes. For example the new assian line of caldari have super attributes compared to other. But the males are just god damn ugly. Females are kewl _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:07:00 - [135] Originally by: Korizan I don't mean to derail your thread but most women I know don't wear any underwear. your mom doesn't count unfortunatly.
Mingmei Lien Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:38:00 - [136] Originally by: Disima Santet omg omg omg why do girls play with kens and barbies and boys play with toys that are clearly female - must be something seriously wrong with these children ... and the stores that allow them to buy toys of opposite gender to play with When my son was little he had the BabyBop doll. Now actually it was to his benefit. He was into sports very much and all that but at preschool age BabyBop got the chicks... I am giggling away but actually also serious. As a little girl I used to chop up and flambe Barbie. I hated her plastic perfection. I wanted the science toys but was happy when my parents got the hint enough to buy me a battery operated Transformer. :-D (though ok I admit it I did also have an easybake oven...)
Rusalka Ananke Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.25 08:16:00 - [137] Edited by: Rusalka Ananke on 25/06/2007 08:16:07 I am a girl and I wear boxers, if I wear anything, which I usually don't. Don't understand why anyone would wear women's underwear, especially women. Frakking uncomfortable. Oh, and who the hell bloody really cares what sex you play in a game? It's a game.
Ashaz Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.25 09:56:00 - [138] say, did you roll a male character just so you could imagine you're a guy secretly wearing ladies underware? iDrone
trada ash	Posted - 2007.06.25 10:00:00 - [139] Originally by: Chapparal This is the FUNNIEST thread I have read in a long while! I thought Implants were something to be desired... The doctor just misunderstood. from my char-bio: "My implants do +5 boobage!"
Comex The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:08:00 - [140] Sticky please
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:17:00 - [141] Should I also not play Tomb Raider, since the protagonist is female and I am not? - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.06.25 15:43:00 - [142] aSl? ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED
Dianaste Minmatar SRBI Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:16:00 - [143] Im rl female, but i really dont give a damn if guys use female avatars...In the end , in eve thats not so much important atm...maybe it will be when they make avatars that will walk in stations...Its kinda wierd that guys see boobs on their avis...hm just check out Second life, try it with female avi, and u will see... Me , myself and I
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:21:00 - [144] Why do guys play female characters? Because they want to. ***
Borasao	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:26:00 - [145] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Zee Zen If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? Usually males prefer looking at females more than looking at males, and in MMO's where your view is third person all of the time I'd much rather look at a females behind than some male's behind. It's just my preference. Dunno... in MMOs, I rarely look at my toon so it doesn't matter to me what it is or what it looks like. "Looking at a female's behind rather than a male's" is usually a rationalization, I believe, since in any significant session of playing a MMO, watching the surroundings (raids, travel, etc.) and chat (should) occupy much more of a player's time than staring at some pixellated butt.
Borasao	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:31:00 - [146] Originally by: Messerschmitt facility I would chose a female char over a male due to attributes. For example the new assian line of caldari have super attributes compared to other. But the males are just god damn ugly. Females are kewl Your post makes no sense. There is no attribute differentiation between males and females in Eve. Then you say you choose female over male because of looks. I am a min/maxer to some extent, and if there were an attribute differentiation between male/female in a game AND the stats favored the style of play I wanted (suppose females make the best ninjas because of stats) then I'd play a female ninja. Otherwise, I couldn't care less about the pixels.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:32:00 - [147] Its hit or miss for me, some games I do, some games I dont. I played a dark elf chick in lineage 2 because...well, for a cartoony, they were pretty racey. Huge plastic ***** and a black leather thong. LOL! I would show my wife and laugh my ass off. Then I would type the /stretch command and we would watch her bend over! LMAO! I cant believe 13 year olds played that game, and it didnt end up on talk shows or something. I made a girl alt on SWG, but she was soon deleted when some dude offered me cyber. YYYYYIEEEEEE OK, ** THAT! Mainly, I guess I probably do it because I think hot chicks with guns or other destructive powers is hot...I dont know. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Ch0pper Dave	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:35:00 - [148] eve encourages alts, like me. I have a good few accounts and many alts. Many of them are male, many are female. It's a choice I see that's the exact same as to if I should pick Caldari or Amarr or if I should pick Khanid or Achura. It's purely down to whatever is going through my head at the time. It's never made a tad of difference to me, though I have had fun with people on occasion to see if they react to a female or male character being a man or woman in real life. Guess what? Sometimes you can avoid a podding by promising to come on someone's teamspeak... Should it make any difference? No. Have I given it any thought before now? No. is the original poster's friend a bit emo about the whole thing? ..... maybe? Why would it matter to anyone when in real life you have loads of far weirder stuff, like adults that act like babies, men who dress as women and vice versa
Some Caldari Caldari Mantigen Quanta Ultio Animi Causa	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:37:00 - [149] I play a female character because they look nicer when I open the character sheet to change skills. Saying that I do get a few cheap laughs out of those who do think I'm a girl at first. ------------ I'm a guy with a female character get over it, and for god's sake stop jerking off. It's creepy.
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:02:00 - [150] Originally by: Borasao Originally by: Messerschmitt facility I would chose a female char over a male due to attributes. For example the new assian line of caldari have super attributes compared to other. But the males are just god damn ugly. Females are kewl Your post makes no sense. There is no attribute differentiation between males and females in Eve. Then you say you choose female over male because of looks. he wants the super achura stats, but he doesn't want a butt-ugly achura male. I wanted a gallente for some reason, but I didn't like how the males looked, so I made a female. today was the first time in my three years that someone thought I was a girl irl. "just wondered if you wanted to chat a little" "i am a guy" "oh sorry"
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:24:00 - [151] I play a female because it's a lot cheaper than the operation.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:26:00 - [152] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I play a female because it's a lot cheaper than the operation. Its about as cheap in thailand! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Borasao	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:34:00 - [153] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Borasao Originally by: Messerschmitt facility I would chose a female char over a male due to attributes. For example the new assian line of caldari have super attributes compared to other. But the males are just god damn ugly. Females are kewl Your post makes no sense. There is no attribute differentiation between males and females in Eve. Then you say you choose female over male because of looks. he wants the super achura stats, but he doesn't want a butt-ugly achura male. A summary of his statements is this: I would pick a female toon over male if females had better stats. For example, I picked a female Achura because the male Achura was ugly. So... I guess if you include what the pixels look like to the player as an attribute, it would make sense. Luckily for us, that attribute has no impact on game mechanics. The attributes that affect game mechanics are no different between the male and the female selection of Achura, luckily.
Hexinas	Posted - 2007.07.27 21:01:00 - [154] It's good that many play as females in games. Imagine if everyone you met was a fugly bald dude trying to look evil, failing in that horribly and looking like a junkie. I can easily counter these stupid cross-dressing assumptions by saying that i don't need to look like a muscular tough guy in a game to feel good about myself. Lastly, every mmo i have played has FUGLY male models and women are cooler when kicking ass :)
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 21:49:00 - [155] Seriously, does there need to be a reason beyond "they want to"? ***
Shiela Caldari Warrior Nation United SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 21:49:00 - [156] Two reasons 1. Achura males look like they have some sort of birth defect and need plastic surgery. 2. Eve would be a sausage fest --------------------------------------------- Need cheap and safe rearch done? Feel free to contact Steve TheWraith in game, or visit: http://warriornation.net/Forum/showthread.php?t=290332
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.27 21:52:00 - [157] Of all the damn threads to necro, you necro this?
Gorefacer	Posted - 2007.07.28 00:40:00 - [158] It is probably is somehow linked to the odd (I think) phenomenon of the ass kicking big gun wielding hero girl as a male fantasy. You see this trend repeated over and over in movies. I never understood what could be attractive about girls that act manly tough. I don't need my girlfriend to be a bruiser and will never fantasize that she is. It is also less realistic and for me hard to swallow. In general men are stronger, faster, and more physically able. That is why there are distinctions between male and female world records, and most sports are separated by gender. It doesn't make females inferior in any way, I suspect it is runaway feminism that has gripped the mainstream populous. Females have their own strengths, combat prowess isn't one of them. Why anyone would want this to be the case is beyond me. How are these two issues linked? I'm not sure, I just imagine those that choose female MMO avatars in general as those who also fantasize about warrior females (as was stated by 1 or more posts so far). As for why there should be a reason? I guess there should be as much reason for male choosing female avatars as why most people like the color Red for sports cars, or why some people have sex with animals. Not everyone likes the same thing, sometimes it is perplexing to see people make the choices they make, no explanation is NECESSARY. So don't sound so defensive when someone asks the question, they probably just don't understand. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:11:00 - [159] looka around..yes, I am the first in this thread I guess that actually is a male with a desire to become(partially) and feels(partially) female IRL. I also know that I am not the only one around, I know atleast 2 other cases, which I sadly dont speak to anymore since they left the game. I created this character somewhat out of jealousy, spent like an hour on it Its always a nightmare when people ask me whether I am a guy or girl, but that has been the case with small kids at my work too, since I wear jewelry and have midlong curly hair. Difficult questions to avoid, I just wish I could say "Yes im a girl, with something extra ;)"You need to feel proud of yourself to enjoy life I guess The only male character I currently have is DoctorFunkenstein...not playing it, was just messing around with the startup screen and it seemed funny :P I also happen to be bisexual, which is rare here too ;0 So I can enjoy a fine Intaki or Sebiestor girl but also wont step aside for those hot Gallente boys and Deitie males in uniform :P I am also a combination of a and ....with me everything is a combination --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:24:00 - [160] Edited by: Tarminic on 28/07/2007 02:24:40 Originally by: Gorefacer It is probably is somehow linked to the odd (I think) phenomenon of the ass kicking big gun wielding hero girl as a male fantasy. You see this trend repeated over and over in movies. Interestingly enough, the idea of the badarse female ****e didn't really come about until the late 80s with games like Tomb Raider and Street Fighter. Unfortunately, it took the gaming industry quite a while (and they're still not quite caught up ) to realize that creating female characters with unrealistic proportions and with emotions nearly identical to men only attracts pubescent fanboys. Quote: I never understood what could be attractive about girls that act manly tough. I don't need my girlfriend to be a bruiser and will never fantasize that she is. It is also less realistic and for me hard to swallow. In general men are stronger, faster, and more physically able. That is why there are distinctions between male and female world records, and most sports are separated by gender. Perhaps that's exactly why it's so appealing - a completely badass girl has a certain exotic perception because usually you don't see that kind of thing. My wife is pretty un-girly by most standards - she works in a horse barn and comes home covered in dirt, she's rude, farts, and is generally unwilling to put up with bull, but that's one of the things that made me fall in love with her in the first place. She also tends to not participate in the usual verbal maneuverings I've known many girls to employ, which is refreshing since I'm horrible at deciphering it. Originally by:** Mercurye looka around..yes, I am the first in this thread I guess that actually is a male with a desire to become(partially) and feels(partially) female IRL. I also know that I am not the only one around, I know atleast 2 other cases, which I sadly dont speak to anymore since they left the game. I created this character somewhat out of jealousy, spent like an hour on it Its always a nightmare when people ask me whether I am a guy or girl, but that has been the case with small kids at my work too, since I wear jewelry and have midlong curly hair. Difficult questions to avoid, I just wish I could say "Yes im a girl, with something extra ;)"You need to feel proud of yourself to enjoy life I guess The only male character I currently have is DoctorFunkenstein...not playing it, was just messing around with the startup screen and it seemed funny :P I imagine you probably know this already, but expect an influx of ****s and ignorant people to this thread. EDIT: They filter badass? Lame. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!**
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:36:00 - [161] Kind of..atlhough I try to remain RELATIVELY positive about the people...not easy, but some are worth going for :) --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:39:00 - [162] Originally by: Mercurye Kind of..atlhough I try to remain RELATIVELY positive about the people...not easy, but some are worth going for :) EVE is better than most, I've found. Thank GOD. Most places would be like the EVE forums if only Goonswarm was allowed to post. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Kasilof	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:44:00 - [163] I have two characters. A male and female. I choose a name first and then the gender based on the name. M
Copine Callmeknau Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 03:10:00 - [164] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 28/07/2007 03:13:28 Cause I wanted to RP a ***, and if I decided to go with a male * it would look something like Backdoor Bandit EDIT: That's B I T C H btw ----- Originally by:** Patch86 Depressing as hell though. By the end, you feel like someone's eaten your kitten.
Jhagiti Tyran	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:14:00 - [165] Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? Where can I buy some?
Anluv Matar	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:19:00 - [166] Well one way to decide if something is fair or not is to turn the tables. I knew a guy who refused to play a game because so many women were pretending to be men. So why is it any of his business what the women do playing their game? Now some people will say the women have every right to do this for whatever reason. Others may try to analyze the reasons, come up with theories and want to make a big deal out of it and say women should be ashamed for playing men in games. So, i guess if you thinks its okay for women, should it not be okay for men? In an age of equal geekism, does it really matter?
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:20:00 - [167] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Cervalan You mean like these? What The **** what he said You may log out, but you can never leave
Lady Galadriel Thief Hunters of Orion's Alliance Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2007.07.28 07:04:00 - [168] blah blah blah....
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.28 07:23:00 - [169] Originally by: Zee Zen blah blah blah If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? why do you care my reason is because I want to trick you into flirting with me ingame, then i'd arrange a meating irl, and when you reach to touch my hoohoo you get a surprise and then i force manlove upon you duh Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:48:00 - [170] Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Originally by: Zee Zen blah blah blah If you don't want to wear women's underwear in real life, why do it here? why do you care my reason is because I want to trick you into flirting with me ingame, then i'd arrange a meating irl, and when you reach to touch my hoohoo you get a surprise and then i force manlove upon you duh Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
cuteboylookingatyou	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:33:00 - [171] Edited by: cuteboylookingatyou on 19/08/2007 21:33:48 No I wear comfortable fruit of the loom Mens g-string. They were made for fine people like myself. Oh and don't forget to use skin lotion for men.
cuteboylookingatyou	Posted - 2007.08.22 17:32:00 - [172] Using eyeliner is not just for girls either.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.22 17:35:00 - [173] (me) I think girls are more beautiful than boys (/me) -=-=-
cuteboylookingatyou	Posted - 2007.08.22 17:37:00 - [174] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn (me) I think girls are more beautiful than boys (/me) Is that a challenge girlfriend?
asgghsfdgsgsg	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:16:00 - [175] Originally by: cuteboylookingatyou Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn (me) I think girls are more beautiful than boys (/me) Is that a challenge girlfriend? STFU you are probably a 12 year old homophobe.

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