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Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Stealthiest Get into an interceptor, Put 4 local hulls in lows and then go afk. At 800-900 m/s second your on the gate before they scanyou and decidde your worth killing and then lock you. :) btw put your **** in a can, they may risk it for a can but they usually don't. In high sec at least. I did several tests using cans and escrow wrap a few months ago. Cargo Scanners WILL still see the cargo.
justcheckingthemarket	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:34:00 - [92] congratulations Speedy Banana, you are granted the "whine of the day award"! keep up the good work and make me laugh!
Saraen	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:35:00 - [93] Originally by: warpod It was totally your fault. Never haul afk valuable cargo, because you cannot be safe anywhere. As a fairly new player, I suprised how so many respondents to the opening post replying in such a childish manner - surely they belong playing WoW not a more mature game like Eve. There are some excellent replies to the post but people how are just maligning the guy for saying how he feels and explaining what happened, grow up and get a life. Act like adults and as though you were face to face with them; don't hide behind your computer monitor and take like a kid.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:40:00 - [94] "I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space" You're leaving Eve because you're too lazy to look after your stuff and too arrogant to believe that "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" applies to you as well. Check. "Warning"? You did the training, right? You know you could learn from this lesson, make another pile of ISK (150M in 2 weeks as a start character? Impressive! I thought me getting to 40M was pretty good) and become a better player. Or you could quit.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:45:00 - [95] Originally by: Speedy Banana The problem is you need isk to make isk. I need 100 million to make 20-30 mil profit. with 4 mil ill make 800k-1.2mil profit. Which is basically like starting all over again. And for what really? To run into another expliot down that line, where a bunch of idiots will just tell me "ohh ya you should have (somehow) known about that and not done this or that" ? Not true. You need a kestrel and a few thousand bloodclaws. 350k will do it. That's enough to get you into a Caracal in a day or two (you have 4M left right?), which is enough to get you in to a Drake in a few more days, which is enough to get you running level 3 missions or 4/10 plexes.
Glassback M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:45:00 - [96] Originally by: Speedy Banana I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks). Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game. This is exactly the reason I KEEP paying each month. G. If Eve was just a game, it would have a pause button.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:24:00 - [97] 1) You suck 2) Afk hauling is bad, mkay 3) You suck 4) Dont buy isk with RL money 5) You suck --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
CaosSpinner	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:46:00 - [98] Sigh... I can remember when I first stared playing, there was no Autopilot. Autopilot was added to the game for the exact reasion to allow moving and hauling from point a to point b AFK becuase traveling was such a mind numbing experince. The a few of the BOD err make that Prats complained and the Pratwelfare program was created thus removing resposibility for ones actions. Thus all the lamers were drawn to EVE like moths to a flame but they were not burned but rewarded. (most seem to have posted here) The problem is not that you can be attacked in highsec, the problem is that the gankers can make a profit by breaking the laws of the game. You get a sec hit for breaking any law in EVE, if you bothered to read the EULA then you would see that by haveing a partner grab the loot after a suacide gank you are circumventing the the rules and laws of the game IE: exploiting the game mechanics and that is the real problem. But what the OP fails to relize is that he expects players to be held accountable for their actions (as the rules dictate) and for fair play as well as non-expoitation of the game mechanics.,,, he expects this from CCP Right.....
Ralara Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:54:00 - [99] Originally by: Speedy Banana 150 mil isk hauler auto pilot ganked That is your problem. Real men CORPSE-TANK.
Adaris Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:05:00 - [100] Edited by: Adaris on 26/05/2007 10:04:55 Originally by: Speedy Banana I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked THERE IS NO SECURE SPACE in this game. High sec is NOT SECURE. Sorry for your loss, but don't be a rotton banana and quit, it happens to loads of people and they have the willpower to work up their wealth again and make sure it never happens to them again. Its how you learn in this game. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
Anna Grahm Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:09:00 - [101] Originally by: Leonardo Sabrioski Originally by: Speedy Banana I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks). Wait are you in Trial or are you Trial + 2 weeks? Oh by the way I just wanted to reafirm this previous statement: IT WAS YOUR FAULT kthxbye You should like the kind of tool that would blame a *****victim whilst absolving the rapist of any wrongdoing. I am NOT an alt!
Snake Jankins Minmatar Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:09:00 - [102] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 26/05/2007 10:09:02 Originally by: CaosSpinner if you bothered to read the EULA then you would see that by haveing a partner grab the loot after a suacide gank you are circumventing the the rules and laws of the game IE: exploiting the game mechanics and that is the real problem. But what the OP fails to relize is that he expects players to be held accountable for their actions (as the rules dictate) and for fair play as well as non-expoitation of the game mechanics.,,, he expects this from CCP Right..... Concord don't care about theft. They don't come to protect the stuff in your cargohold. They come to punish the guy, who is aggressing in high-sec and try to prevent your ship from being destroyed. So it can't be an exploit to get a mate to pick up the loot. E.g. ore in your can is seen as your property, otherwise can-flagging wouldn't exist. So if someone else takes ore out of it, it's theft. Concord doesn't intervene, ergo they don't care about theft. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
ToranagaSama	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:31:00 - [103] Originally by: Speedy Banana Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:02:00 Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43 Originally by: Necrosmith Wow, you're stupid. You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you? Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything. All CCP would have to do is make concord destroy anyone who touches that wreck. This would completely eliminate the stupidity of suacide ganking. But hey.. then again, this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE. First, as a relative newb myself (and only a partial Eve fan), I fully sympathize with and feel your pain. Yet, before you leave the game, let's acknowledge a few things: 1) This game isn't perfect, and unfortunately, a LOT of people (Devs included!!) appear to like it that way. It's unfortunate, but so is life. 2) You are a newb. Does this sort of thing happen to more experienced players? If not why not? 3) With your new and painful knowledge and experience, a) would you do the same thing precisely the same way? b) What could I have done differently? 4) I dunno know, 2 weeks and you made 150 million plus!??? I've been playing more than 2 months and only have 100 mil in the bank----though I've probably spent 3 times that much! But, then, I'm not a Miner! BTW, I took 4 mill and made it into 100 mil in about a month. My point is yeah, maybe you're starting over, but this time you're starting with FOUR MILLION!!! Things should go a LOT faster! Try to look at the upside. 5) Admit your own failures. Yes, griefing exists in this game. Nothing to be done, except learn to deal---that is make yourself LESS of a target for griefers. If you can do this, then you must admit: a) Putting ALL your money into one ship run was the SECOND WORSE thing to do playing Eve; and b) The FIRST WORST thing was using Auto-pilot with everything at risk. d) Less than two weeks worth of forum reading would have taught me the cardinal rule of Eve: DON'T fly what you can't afford to lose; and, probably the second cardinal rule (maybe third or fourth!): Don't use Auto-pilot! BTW, you're analogy isn't realistic, because what you did was to run down the street carrying 150 million---buck naked! screaming ROB ME, ROB ME! Sh*t, in my town, NYC, the Police would have robbed you!!! :))) From, one noob to another noob, suck it up and keep playing.... [Is Speedy Banana you're real in-game name? If you decide to stay in the game, maybe a little charity might be arranged. I'll pledge 500k and a module or two--what do you need? Anyone else?] Oh, and look up the corp, Eve University, they help newbs like yourself learn the game. Probably get a bit more sympathy there. Luck!
Haks'he Lirky 8th	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:35:00 - [104] Originally by: Speedy Banana I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks). Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game. so you lost 2 weeks worth of work and your whining?
Leeluvv Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:04:00 - [105] I don't know or care whether the OP was ebayed or what, but some of the responses are worrying. A quick message to the 'hard core' players in the game. A game lives or dies by the number of subscribers. Hard core players are the minority, so it is the casual noobs that provide most of the money that keeps the game alive. I am not asking for carebear world, but if you insist on making the game an elitist, hard-core venture, then it will slowly die. You need to welcome novices and help them grow and understand the game, but make them aware of where the dangers are and how to avoid them or face them. Lee == Sig to follow
Damares Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:12:00 - [106] your fault.... afk haul through high sec with valuable cargo, prepare to die.... dont whine at the game for something you asked for....
Kassandra Tillman	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:16:00 - [107] Originally by: Speedy Banana I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks). Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game. I would make the obligitory can I have your stuff post but it seems somebody already has your stuff
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:18:00 - [108] It sucks to be ganked and lose most of what you have, it happened to me way back when I got my first BC. However, **** happens in Eve. That your losses can be painful is a big part of what Eve is about. Nothing is really safe. That is one of the main reasons why I play this game. You don't seem to be that kind of guy that will learn to appreciate this aspect of the game. My advice is that you leave for another game because it is quite likely that you will be ganked in the future as well if you stay. Eve isn't for everyone to like.
APT BANK Amarr Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:31:00 - [109] Originally by: Fayn Trak Wait what, 150 million inside your first two weeks, you'r well out ahead of the curve on making isk, yet you're quitting becasue of lost isk? Is there that much more money washing around than when I started or are you doing something outside of the box? I have to agree with this statement, Even after 3 years of playing i would be hard pressed to make that kind of isk, although i dont farm. However, if you can make that much after 2 weeks, then stay and be a billionaire in a month ^_^
Soto ShinDo Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:43:00 - [110] Originally by: Soulja must also be the ones that in real life follow the 'she deserved it' or the 'she was asking for it' for it mentality in stories of r/ape where the woman was wearing revealing clothes or were to drunk to resist. . [off topic] And I'm starting to question the mentality of people bringing up such id....c comparisons. If a woman is too drunk to resist it cannot be more far away from r/ape. You insult every woman with a bit of brains as that would mean they cannot decide for themselves - how much they drink and whom they spend the night with or if at all. If I would've cried 'r/ape' on all the mornings I woke up beneath somebody I could hardly imagine the name of because of too much beer and vodka the night before ..... Just one more question - you think it's also r/ape if a man is too drunk to resist? [/off topic]
Krigg	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:45:00 - [111] Edited by: Krigg on 26/05/2007 11:45:58 Originally by: Speedy Banana ...this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE. No, its built to weed out the weak minded, the over sensitive, and the whiners. Unfortunatley the whiners don't go quietly... they whine first. Eve isn't another clone of every other MMORPG out there. Its uniquie in the fact that its a bloody tough game to succeed in at times. Its merciless on the stupid, punishes the brain-dead, and weeds out the unworthy. If you want a cuddly fluffy game that wraps you up in cotton wool, where loss is meaningless, where there are no consequences, and where there are "safe" places to play without ever having to worry about what the other guy is up to, then Eve Online is not for you my friend.
pipvac Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:47:00 - [112] Originally by: Sergeant Spot In response to the opening post: Eve is a HARSH game. While it might seem strange at first, it is Eves harshness that sets it appart and makes it, in a strange way, attractive. Once you learn the ropes of the game, you can move high value stuff through some very hostile space. I've moved some extreme cargos (in value, in size, and even both value and size) through some VERY hostile space. But as stated, when moving high value stuff, use the right ship, and dont be afk. Evn in empire 0.5+, use warp to 0km for every warp, even for 50 jump trips. My specialty in this game is getting in and out of dangerous space without dying, even if I am moving cargo. I have lost ships doing it, but rarely (and I've NEVER lost a ship when carrying a contracted cargo) It can be done, but you need to have a solid understanding of the threats you face, your own strengths and weaknesses, and above all, patience (unless you have a huge escort that can kill everything). But to succeed in Eve, you need to be able to die for STUPID reasons, and still get back up and continue working on the challenge you are facing (which includes the self honesty to know when to back off and try latter when you have more skill, or more friends, etc....) The reason I stress the need to be able to face "stupid" death with a smile is that much of the death in this game, even for hardened veterans, can be called stupid death. Assaulting an enemy through a gate, and dying before your screen loads happens. Some whine that it is a serious and stupid flaw that they die before their screen even loads (and they are right, but they are still whining). Others get a new ship and continue the fight. Given how much I loathe BoB, I have to say, that is probably the single most constructive reply I've read today. I need a shower...and I shall be playing the music to 'Crying Game'.
Eyphix	Posted - 2007.05.26 12:14:00 - [113] I'm 8 days into my trial. Things I know: 1. If you need to transport expensive stuff, don't if you can't afford to lose it. If you must then do it in several trips. 2. Never use auto-pilot. Set waypoints and manually do jump-to-zero from gate to gate. Sure you can't just afk and end up at your destination but you will get there and it will be 3+ times faster depending on the size of your ship. 3. In any MMO if you die and come crying to a forum trying to find attention you fail in epic fashion. If you want to make a serious suggestion about the behavior of NPC ships in EVE then do that, don't cry about a valid play style to the community.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 12:17:00 - [114] So sorry for your loss, Speedy. May I suggest Hello Kitty World Online as a suitable alternative after you quit?
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2007.05.26 12:20:00 - [115] Edited by: Happster on 26/05/2007 12:28:35 Actually OP has a point. High sec has become a joke. If he autopilot or not doesnt really matter. He can just as easilly be ganked in his hauler if he sits by his computer. If the will to kill is in place, theres nothing anyone can do to stop it. As an industrialist you have to start somewhere to start gaining isk. You haul stuff from a to b to gain isk. To keep gaining more isk, you have to put your wallet in the cargo to keep increasing your income. It takes a while to get a Freighter. And even a Freighter isnt safe to be killed if ppl want it dead. In my eyes EVE has become a lot harder to new industrialists that want to make a living that way. Edit: When all your work the last months get lost because of something you cant even prevent- It do get kind of silly to pay for such a game. Where is the fun? I sure dont see it. Industrial in high sec for new ppl really has become a joke... It's almost as CCP wants all to go to 0.0 and shoot eachother. If everyone did, the economy would break down :\ I need some ppl to haul stuff for me
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:19:00 - [116] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 16:26:16 Originally by: Miki Fin Sounds like ebayed account to be honest. Speedy Banana = 8 months old but claims to be playing two weeks? Pilot in kill mail = same age. Either ebayed account or flamebait so yes please quit. kthxbai I played the trial 8 months ago and quit when my corp went out to 0.0 and got destroyed and I was left with no ships and no money, so I quit. I came back 2 weeks ago and subscribed. This is not my main character, Undercover Palmtree is, read the kill mail that I posted.. This is why the char has been in a noob corp for 7 and a half months.
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:41:00 - [117] Ohh and as an update. Thanks to the generosity of some of the people on this forum and my corp, I was able to raise 80 million isk last night. This morning all my stuff has sold and I have 120 million. By tomorrow I should be able to do the same thing and get to 160-170 million. Few days after that I should have more then enough to pay everybody back. Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. AFK / Autopilot or not, nobody is getting through 15,000 shields and 10,000 armor before concord gets them. Thanks for all the positive comments that made me reconsider leaving and try to rebuild my losses. In the end it's nice to know that not everyone out there in this sh*tstorm is ahole.To the negative people... well I don't read those posts anyways... those are the people that belong in world of warcraft, because those are the kind of kids that game is known for attracting.
Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:44:00 - [118] Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/05/2007 16:43:02 Originally by: Speedy Banana Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. edited cause my mirth broke the forums. --- Originally by: Blacklight To be honest
Neothas	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:52:00 - [119] Originally by: Speedy Banana Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. AFK / Autopilot or not, nobody is getting through 15,000 shields and 10,000 armor before concord gets them. I believe the freighter crowd thought the same thing This game is all about risk / reward.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:58:00 - [120] Originally by: Speedy Banana Ohh and as an update. Thanks to the generosity of some of the people on this forum and my corp, I was able to raise 80 million isk last night. This morning all my stuff has sold and I have 120 million. By tomorrow I should be able to do the same thing and get to 160-170 million. Few days after that I should have more then enough to pay everybody back. Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. AFK / Autopilot or not, nobody is getting through 15,000 shields and 10,000 armor before concord gets them. Thanks for all the positive comments that made me reconsider leaving and try to rebuild my losses. In the end it's nice to know that not everyone out there in this sh*tstorm is ahole.To the negative people... well I don't read those posts anyways... those are the people that belong in world of warcraft, because those are the kind of kids that game is known for attracting. Um, actually, that can still be killed before concord gets them. Much bigger and badder stuff has been killed in 0.5+ before concord can kill attackers. However The extra armor and shields means that attackers will need more firepower to make the kill before dying, thus meaning they lose more ships to concord and have a higher expense. A higher expense means that killing your ships "might" not be worth it (depends how much value you are carrying). For the record, I've long supported making 0.5+ safer. However, I'm rabidly against making things safer in 0.4 and below. Best idea I've heard to date is that there should be no insurance pay out if you die to Concord in 0.5+. Removing the insurance in such situations would amke suicide ganks MUCH more expensive for an attacker (thus meaning the required "break even" cargo value would be much higher), but would still leave the decision to attack in the hands of players. Others disagree.

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