Originally by: Phil Carter

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Can i have you stuff aswell as all other stuff ingame from ppl who don't want to play anymore and start of a "i hate CCP" thread in the forums?

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Phil Carter

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Can i have you stuff aswell as all other stuff ingame from ppl who don't want to play anymore and start of a "i hate CCP" thread in the forums?

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What stuff? there is no stuff left, because of game design some guy can lose 2% of his money and cause you to lose 99% of yours. Ya gee, wonder why only 20,000 people online still even after all these years.

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Originally by: Leonardo Sabrioski

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

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Wait are you in Trial or are you Trial + 2 weeks?

Oh by the way I just wanted to reafirm this previous statement:


IT WAS YOUR FAULT

kthxbye

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Originally by: LaLida Fraunt

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Originally by: Leonardo Sabrioski

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

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Wait are you in Trial or are you Trial + 2 weeks?

Oh by the way I just wanted to reafirm this previous statement:


IT WAS YOUR FAULT

kthxbye

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/signed

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Originally by: Blacklight

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To be honest

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You said that you have 4m ISK left, give them to me including the insurance rookie ship :)

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Originally by: Sorum Daemoth

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actually, there are about 180,000 players not including trial accounts ( dont count those like WoW does)
and not including eve china. and boo hoo to your ship sorry to say, suck it up and make back the money.

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Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Sorum Daemoth

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actually, there are about 180,000 players not including trial accounts ( dont count those like WoW does)
and not including eve china. and boo hoo to your ship sorry to say, suck it up and make back the money.

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No I think I'll just find another game to pay my monthly subscription to that is not built from the ground up on the concept of griefing people.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:02:00
Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

All CCP would have to do is make concord destroy anyone who touches that wreck. This would completely eliminate the stupidity of suacide ganking. But hey.. then again, this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

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Originally by: Cammulos

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Highsec does not guarantee the immortality of your ship, just the eventuality that anyone who attacks you in highsec will lose theirs. Its a PvP game after-all, so... don't be daft mmmk.

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Originally by: Driven

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May I please be the 1475th player to say:

"Can I have ur stuff?"


Seriously don't quit. You'll regret it!

I remember once, I lost an ibis loaded with trit, flying AFK to 4C-B7X. Boy was I mad!

But I got over it. Now, I am gainfully employed and can cheerfully repeat "You wanna biggie-size that?" over 500 times in a row without lisping.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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2007.05.26 01:20
Destroyed items:

Mark I Modified SS Expanded Cargo (Cargo)
Overdrive Injector System I
Overdrive Injector System I
Warp Disruptor II, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Stasis Webifier II, Qty: 7 (Cargo)
Prototype Cloaking Device I, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Power Diagnostic System II, Qty: 8 (Cargo)
Cap Recharger II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Capacitor Power Relay II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
350mm Railgun II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Large Armor Repairer II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
800mm Repeating Artillery II (Cargo)
Siege Missile Launcher II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Overdrive Injector System II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
100MN Afterburner II (Cargo)

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:02:00
Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

All CCP would have to do is make concord destroy anyone who touches that wreck. This would completely eliminate the stupidity of suacide ganking. But hey.. then again, this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE.

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Originally by: Cammulos

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I think CONCORD needs to spank harder. And make insurance void when spanked by CONCORD.

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Originally by: Jikx Everproud

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Why? Simply because theere is virtually -NOTHING- you can do about triple BS suiciding on a hauler. Nothing.

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Originally by: Aramendel

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Originally by: Jikx Everproud

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Why? Simply because theere is virtually -NOTHING- you can do about triple BS suiciding on a hauler. Nothing.

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You can transport not enough stuff to make it an attractive suicidiegank target. Or use a tanked deep space transport.

You might as well complain that a Rifter can do -NOTHING- against a domi.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I think we already established here that thanks to insurance, if I carry anything over 20 mil, somebody can make a profit by suacide ganking. Tanked transport or not, I highly doubt you are going to stand up to 3 battleships fitted with close range weapons. Especially since concord takes so long to arrive that you're dead before any help arives.

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Originally by: Sgt Blade

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transport stuff in secure containers... putting a Pass Word on them would simply mean yes tehy ca suicide gank your ship buy they cant pick up your loot,

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Phil Carter

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Can i have you stuff aswell as all other stuff ingame from ppl who don't want to play anymore and start of a "i hate CCP" thread in the forums?

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What stuff? there is no stuff left, because of game design some guy can lose 2% of his money and cause you to lose 99% of yours. Ya gee, wonder why only 20,000 people online still even after all these years.

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Originally by: Sgt Blade

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transport stuff in secure containers... putting a Pass Word on them would simply mean yes tehy ca suicide gank your ship buy they cant pick up your loot,

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:08:34

Originally by: Cammulos

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Ummmm, could we revisit the 14day trial+2weeks sub=150m?

How did you do this as a nub (excluding GTC sales, which is prob what it was otherwise)?

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It's called mathematics and common sense. Being suacide ganked does not imply that I'm stupid, especially since I didn't even know stuff like that happens. Maybe if something like that was mentioned in the new player guide it would have helped. Sorry, I was kind of under the impression that SECURE space, was actually secure.

Would have been nice if getting killed by concord because you are an ahole would invalidate your insurance, but hey, I guess trying to eliminate exploits and griefing that makes people unsubscribe is not on CCP's priority list.

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Originally by: Mr Mirage

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it's a harsh reality. I bet they had their BSs insured so they didnt lose money from it.

you live and you learn ;)

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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It's called mathematics and common sense.

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Being suacide ganked does not imply that I'm stupid, especially since I didn't even know stuff like that happens.

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Maybe if something like that was mentioned in the new player guide it would have helped. Sorry, I was kind of under the impression that SECURE space, was actually secure.

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Would have been nice if getting killed by concord because you are an ahole would invalidate your insurance, but hey, I guess trying to eliminate exploits and griefing that makes people unsubscribe is not on CCP's priority list.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Phil Carter

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Can i have you stuff aswell as all other stuff ingame from ppl who don't want to play anymore and start of a "i hate CCP" thread in the forums?

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Originally by: Cammulos

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Highsec does not guarantee the immortality of your ship, just the eventuality that anyone who attacks you in highsec will lose theirs. Its a PvP game after-all, so... don't be daft mmmk.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Ductoris

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In any case I fully support the need for large diameter projectiles for Rodent disposal. Those little buggers are crafty.

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Originally by: Letheeth Kayl

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Edited by: Letheeth Kayl on 26/05/2007 05:08:36
2 weeks ago I lost my rl job, I lost my other RL job, then I lost my armageddon (the insurance thingy lapsed on it the day before), then I lost my apocalypse. In a boneheaded move, I tried to move through a known gate camp with a flimsly frigate with about 50mil worth of crap in it. AND my corp and allaince moved while I was distracted, leaving me stranded . . .
All in all I'd say I lost about 300milion and 75% of my personal fleet's firepower.
I think my week was worse than yours. :-P
I rebuilt my armageddon, borrowed the money to buy a new apocalypse, and scrapped the bottom of my loot barrel to buy a pilgrim. I got a new job as a clerk at Savemart, and I'm picking up this crazy gig as a door to door sales person {begin shameless plug} (buy Cutco (tm) knives, they is awesome){/end shameless plug}
You get over it or you don't, happens in real life, and it happens in game. Are you sure you're not one of those whiney people who always ask 'why does this always happen to me?'

Just remember, "No matter how stupendous, or fantastic your failures or success, there are approximately 1 billion people in India that really don't give a {insert 4 letter word beginning with F and ending with UK plus a C}!" Those are good words to live by. :-D

Edit: I'm more afraid of secure space than I am of low sec or null sec. (1) concord doesn't like me, and (2) my guards always down as I have a tendancy to fly around in an interceptor or shuttle

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Sorum Daemoth

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actually, there are about 180,000 players not including trial accounts ( dont count those like WoW does)
and not including eve china. and boo hoo to your ship sorry to say, suck it up and make back the money.

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No I think I'll just find another game to pay my monthly subscription to that is not built from the ground up on the concept of griefing people.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Ya gee, wonder why only 20,000 people online still even after all these years.

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Originally by: WhitePhantom

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How is it the fault of CCP that you didn't know about the risk of flying around on AP?

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Originally by: Ben Booley

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So where are you getting these "3 battleships" from. I see that you were killed, according to the killmail you posted, by a single battlecruiser. Even just a couple shield extenders is plenty to protect you from a BC long enough for concord to get there.

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Name: SamtheDog (laid the final blow)
Security: 4.3
Alliance: The Cartel.
Corp: Singularity.
Ship: Brutix
Weapon: Regulated Neutron Phase Cannon I

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Sorum Daemoth

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actually, there are about 180,000 players not including trial accounts ( dont count those like WoW does)
and not including eve china. and boo hoo to your ship sorry to say, suck it up and make back the money.

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No I think I'll just find another game to pay my monthly subscription to that is not built from the ground up on the concept of griefing people.

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Originally by: Stealthiest

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Get into an interceptor, Put 4 local hulls in lows and then go afk. At 800-900 m/s second your on the gate before they scanyou and decidde your worth killing and then lock you.

:)

btw put your **** in a can, they may risk it for a can but they usually don't. In high sec at least.

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Originally by: warpod

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It was totally your fault. Never haul afk valuable cargo, because you cannot be safe anywhere.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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The problem is you need isk to make isk. I need 100 million to make 20-30 mil profit. with 4 mil ill make 800k-1.2mil profit. Which is basically like starting all over again. And for what really? To run into another expliot down that line, where a bunch of idiots will just tell me "ohh ya you should have (somehow) known about that and not done this or that" ?

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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150 mil isk
hauler
auto pilot
ganked

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked

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Originally by: Leonardo Sabrioski

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

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Wait are you in Trial or are you Trial + 2 weeks?

Oh by the way I just wanted to reafirm this previous statement:


IT WAS YOUR FAULT

kthxbye

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Originally by: CaosSpinner

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if you bothered to read the EULA then you would see that by haveing a partner grab the loot after a suacide gank you are circumventing the the rules and laws of the game IE: exploiting the game mechanics and that is the real problem.

But what the OP fails to relize is that he expects players to be held accountable for their actions (as the rules dictate) and for fair play as well as non-expoitation of the game mechanics.,,, he expects this from CCP

Right.....

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:02:00
Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

All CCP would have to do is make concord destroy anyone who touches that wreck. This would completely eliminate the stupidity of suacide ganking. But hey.. then again, this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Fayn Trak

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Wait what, 150 million inside your first two weeks, you'r well out ahead of the curve on making isk, yet you're quitting becasue of lost isk?

Is there that much more money washing around than when I started or are you doing something outside of the box?

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Originally by: Soulja

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must also be the ones that in real life follow the 'she deserved it' or the 'she was asking for it' for it mentality in stories of r/ape where the woman was wearing revealing clothes or were to drunk to resist.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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...this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE.

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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In response to the opening post:

Eve is a HARSH game. While it might seem strange at first, it is Eves harshness that sets it appart and makes it, in a strange way, attractive.

Once you learn the ropes of the game, you can move high value stuff through some very hostile space. I've moved some extreme cargos (in value, in size, and even both value and size) through some VERY hostile space.

But as stated, when moving high value stuff, use the right ship, and dont be afk. Evn in empire 0.5+, use warp to 0km for every warp, even for 50 jump trips.

My specialty in this game is getting in and out of dangerous space without dying, even if I am moving cargo. I have lost ships doing it, but rarely (and I've NEVER lost a ship when carrying a contracted cargo)

It can be done, but you need to have a solid understanding of the threats you face, your own strengths and weaknesses, and above all, patience (unless you have a huge escort that can kill everything).

But to succeed in Eve, you need to be able to die for STUPID reasons, and still get back up and continue working on the challenge you are facing (which includes the self honesty to know when to back off and try latter when you have more skill, or more friends, etc....)

The reason I stress the need to be able to face "stupid" death with a smile is that much of the death in this game, even for hardened veterans, can be called stupid death. Assaulting an enemy through a gate, and dying before your screen loads happens. Some whine that it is a serious and stupid flaw that they die before their screen even loads (and they are right, but they are still whining). Others get a new ship and continue the fight.

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Originally by: Miki Fin

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Sounds like ebayed account to be honest. Speedy Banana = 8 months old but claims to be playing two weeks? Pilot in kill mail = same age.

Either ebayed account or flamebait so yes please quit.

kthxbai

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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To be honest

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. AFK / Autopilot or not, nobody is getting through 15,000 shields and 10,000 armor before concord gets them.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Ohh and as an update. Thanks to the generosity of some of the people on this forum and my corp, I was able to raise 80 million isk last night. This morning all my stuff has sold and I have 120 million. By tomorrow I should be able to do the same thing and get to 160-170 million. Few days after that I should have more then enough to pay everybody back.

Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. AFK / Autopilot or not, nobody is getting through 15,000 shields and 10,000 armor before concord gets them. Thanks for all the positive comments that made me reconsider leaving and try to rebuild my losses. In the end it's nice to know that not everyone out there in this sh*tstorm is ahole.To the negative people... well I don't read those posts anyways... those are the people that belong in world of warcraft, because those are the kind of kids that game is known for attracting.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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To the negative people... well I don't read those posts anyways... those are the people that belong in world of warcraft, because those are the kind of kids that game is known for attracting.

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Originally by: Necrosmith

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What's worse is the criminals insurance company filling their claim.

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Originally by: Raane Thyandar

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Next time use GSCs in your cargo. Then when they scan they won't know what's in there. Plus you get more cargo space as you are just carrying modules.

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Originally by: Valan

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First off the negative posters aren't best suited to WoW because I agree with them. I'm coming upto my 4th Birthday and have never touched WoW.

You've spat the dummy out of the pram because for some reason you've ignored all the advice on this website from CCP and players.

You've already quit once because you didn't get things your own way in 0.0.

Now you've begged isk off these people which isn't really allowed on the forums and all of a sudden you're not leaving. Wasted isk as far as I'm concerned you're only going to quit again at some point.

What happens when your war decced or lose your ship again? More begging? In my view you're the worst kind of player there is and people like you are dragging this fine game into the gutter with you.

You don't have the minerals to post with your main. Which is because you were afraid of repercussions. Why when you were leaving? You had no intention of leaving, you came on here for a whine and hand outs. You made out to be a 2 week old player and it turns out you've played once already.

One final thing it says in the FAQ and player guide that empire isn't safe so by your own logic your're stupid.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:08:34

Originally by: Cammulos

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Ummmm, could we revisit the 14day trial+2weeks sub=150m?

How did you do this as a nub (excluding GTC sales, which is prob what it was otherwise)?

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It's called mathematics and common sense. Being suacide ganked does not imply that I'm stupid, especially since I didn't even know stuff like that happens. Maybe if something like that was mentioned in the new player guide it would have helped. Sorry, I was kind of under the impression that SECURE space, was actually secure.

Would have been nice if getting killed by concord because you are an ahole would invalidate your insurance, but hey, I guess trying to eliminate exploits and griefing that makes people unsubscribe is not on CCP's priority list.

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Originally by: GreenSurf

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I must say I'm surprised to hear the tone in this thread - I totally agree with Speedy that there's a problem here.
I believe that secure space should be secure - if it isn't a whole dimension of EVE is lost. Most of the people reading this thread may not appreciate the carebear profession, but it has it place in the game. I see this incident as a threat to that profession.
I would suggest that the price you pay for ship insurance is increased for every time you are killed - thats how it works in real life (this could be altered in a way so that the price is most affected by concord kills)

GreenSurf

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Originally by: Heisenburg Principle

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I've een playing since early 2004, i never really have anything over 10m isk, doesn't bother me.

This exactly why i'm happy you were killed, whineing carebears should quit eve.

Go away and don't come back.

I'd ask for your stuff but i don't want anyhting with tears and snot on it.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Heisenburg Principle

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I've een playing since early 2004, i never really have anything over 10m isk, doesn't bother me.

This exactly why i'm happy you were killed, whineing carebears should quit eve.

Go away and don't come back.

I'd ask for your stuff but i don't want anyhting with tears and snot on it.

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ya that's right im carebear.. I guess thats why I managed to get a 800,000 bounty on my head in 2 weeks when my clone only costs 30k.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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To be honest

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Ohh and as an update. Thanks to the generosity of some of the people on this forum and my corp, I was able to raise 80 million isk last night. This morning all my stuff has sold and I have 120 million. By tomorrow I should be able to do the same thing and get to 160-170 million. Few days after that I should have more then enough to pay everybody back.

Now I'm flying in a Myrmidon with 5 shield expanders and a 1600mm plate. AFK / Autopilot or not, nobody is getting through 15,000 shields and 10,000 armor before concord gets them. Thanks for all the positive comments that made me reconsider leaving and try to rebuild my losses. In the end it's nice to know that not everyone out there in this sh*tstorm is ahole.To the negative people... well I don't read those posts anyways... those are the people that belong in world of warcraft, because those are the kind of kids that game is known for attracting.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Heisenburg Principle

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I've een playing since early 2004, i never really have anything over 10m isk, doesn't bother me.

This exactly why i'm happy you were killed, whineing carebears should quit eve.

Go away and don't come back.

I'd ask for your stuff but i don't want anyhting with tears and snot on it.

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ya that's right im carebear.. I guess thats why I managed to get a 800,000 bounty on my head in 2 weeks when my clone only costs 30k.

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Originally by: Gibbal Slogspit

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Empire ganking as it were, is for noobs.

From the sounds of it, this guy has been playing the game for at least 3 hours a day for the past 2 weeks for that 150M, just to lose it to a bunch of noob griefers trying to make easy isk, knowing they wont lose much.

If you ask me, speedy is more hardcore than that ghey who blew him up.

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Originally by: Soulja

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I am starting to question the mentality of people that just shout, 'don't AFK haul', 'use an alt to X' ...etc.. The problem with high sec suicide ganking is that its just plain wrong.

Does anyone else see a similarity here.

Those that...
In eve:
Hauler warps to a hi sec gate at 15km.. Hauler is scanned, popped by n of combat ship y, Hauler points out the injustice and the whole forum shouts abuse at the Hauler.

must also be the ones that in real life follow the 'she deserved it' or the 'she was asking for it' for it mentality in stories of r/ape where the woman was wearing revealing clothes or were to drunk to resist.

So there are two morals:
Just because you can Doesn't mean you should!!
When someone posts a 'OMG i been ganked thread' please don't reply in such r/etarded manner. (see any number of the 'its your fault' threads for examples of r/etarded responses)


even *comparing* *****to losing a ship in an internet spaceship game is ********, dude. Grow up.
Thanks for your time.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/02/2007 23:20:58
But come on, at least give the devs a chance to fire t20.

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Originally by: Soulja

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I am starting to question the mentality of people that just shout, 'don't AFK haul', 'use an alt to X' ...etc.. The problem with high sec suicide ganking is that its just plain wrong.

Does anyone else see a similarity here.

Those that...
In eve:
Hauler warps to a hi sec gate at 15km.. Hauler is scanned, popped by n of combat ship y, Hauler points out the injustice and the whole forum shouts abuse at the Hauler.

must also be the ones that in real life follow the 'she deserved it' or the 'she was asking for it' for it mentality in stories of r/ape where the woman was wearing revealing clothes or were to drunk to resist.

So there are two morals:
Just because you can Doesn't mean you should!!
When someone posts a 'OMG i been ganked thread' please don't reply in such r/etarded manner. (see any number of the 'its your fault' threads for examples of r/etarded responses)

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/02/2007 23:20:58
But come on, at least give the devs a chance to fire t20.

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Originally by: Soulja

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I am starting to question the mentality of people that just shout, 'don't AFK haul', 'use an alt to X' ...etc.. The problem with high sec suicide ganking is that its just plain wrong.

Does anyone else see a similarity here.

Those that...
In eve:
Hauler warps to a hi sec gate at 15km.. Hauler is scanned, popped by n of combat ship y, Hauler points out the injustice and the whole forum shouts abuse at the Hauler.

must also be the ones that in real life follow the 'she deserved it' or the 'she was asking for it' for it mentality in stories of r/ape where the woman was wearing revealing clothes or were to drunk to resist.

So there are two morals:
Just because you can Doesn't mean you should!!
When someone posts a 'OMG i been ganked thread' please don't reply in such r/etarded manner. (see any number of the 'its your fault' threads for examples of r/etarded responses)

Thanks for your time.

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Originally by: Knerf

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i just read 6 pages of CRAP,

//--------stuff---

my "2 isk"

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Originally by: Emsee

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And I clicked on this thread thinking it was another developer misconduct whine

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Quote:

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- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Mogrin

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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People will talk big like 99.9% of the flamers in this thread, but all the dozens of people that get fed up with this game for one reason or another add up.

CCP employees won't care about anything you say though. They'll feel the collective decisions of thousands of dissatisfied customers though. So you win by going and doing what you enjoy, and CCP loses in the end.

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Originally by: Leonardo Sabrioski

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Edited by: Leonardo Sabrioski on 26/05/2007 01:39:56
sorry for your loss m8

although.... they necessarily did not lose 100 million each...

3x bships = 3((108 million insurance - (90 something buy price) +(30 million insurance)) price)
So its around 12 million loss for each bship so they only around 36 loss without mods.

Also, why were you autopiloting... this game teaches you not to use a flimsy autopilot system when carrying large amounts of valuable goods. Its no one else's fault but your own.

Sorry but thats the truth (sorry for your loss )

Edit: Gosh darnit you guys post too fast - I was gonna be first

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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In reply to the original post:

One other thing about Eve (something I dont like about it), is that not only do many newbies take a hard beating learning the game (normal and not really a problem), but many players verbally abuse the newbs if they show even the slightest weakness.

I dont approve of the abuse heaped on many newbs at the drop of hat. I "DO" approve of telling newbs that Eve is harsh game and that in most cases they have only themselves to blame for those early loses, but that can be done with a touch of diplomacy.

For example, in RL, I really dont give a damn if I hurt folk's feelings when I point out cold truth, but I (usually) try not to be an jerk. A number of Eve players go out of their way to be a jerk when pointing out cold truth in such cases.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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"The only thing wrong here is that people who can't handle the game whine about it.

You got PWNED. Stop crying. "



this is perfect example of why suicide ganking needs to be eliminated. so tough talking weenie kids can be forced out into 0.0 where they THEMSELVES are not safe, so that real pvp'ers like myself can repeatedly prison *****fools like this until they quit eve. Seriously You really got to be a dumb arse to talk like some tough guy pwning people when you yourself are little empire hugging carebear. People who suicide gank in empire are not good players, they are not smart, they are not courageous, they are some of the weakest and fragile people ever to play a game. They sit in empire 100% safe humping gates waiting for haulers to suicide on... Seriously I don't think in my 10 years of playing pvp MMO type games have I ever seen a more pathetic style of gameplay lol. the crazy thing is how they are so blind to how pathetic they are that they actually talk tough /boggle

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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"The only thing wrong here is that people who can't handle the game whine about it.

You got PWNED. Stop crying. "



this is perfect example of why suicide ganking needs to be eliminated. so tough talking weenie kids can be forced out into 0.0 where they THEMSELVES are not safe, so that real pvp'ers like myself can repeatedly prison *****fools like this until they quit eve. Seriously You really got to be a dumb arse to talk like some tough guy pwning people when you yourself are little empire hugging carebear. People who suicide gank in empire are not good players, they are not smart, they are not courageous, they are some of the weakest and fragile people ever to play a game. They sit in empire 100% safe humping gates waiting for haulers to suicide on... Seriously I don't think in my 10 years of playing pvp MMO type games have I ever seen a more pathetic style of gameplay lol. the crazy thing is how they are so blind to how pathetic they are that they actually talk tough /boggle

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Originally by: Knerf

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i just read 6 pages of CRAP, i cant believe how this community has gone to total **** after it started as such a good group, all these people saying "your an idiot, the gankers rox" art tools in the worst way. man how i miss the days of eve-i and how the forums werent full of such a complete morons. i know everybody is entitled to their own opinion and all that but there is such a thing as deicency and understanding, maybe even helping the guy out...

yes the OP made a mistake, the forums are filled with people saying the EXACT thing almost every few hours, then the same people calling them idiots and telling them to go packing, as i see it there is a problem in the game, high sec ganking needs a change, as it is there is no penalty as there should be for dying, somebody needs to come up with a system to change soon.

that and the community needs to mature a little, this game will never be what it should be with this kind of blatent stupidity running wild, its like all the people doing it have some sort of chip on their shoulder and take it out on people on the internet as they probably lack the gall to do it in real life...

there are several things that need changing soon or the game will be full of mentally unstable IRC kiddies flaming one another all day and all the quality players will be gone looking for a place where people arent complete *******s constantly.

my "2 isk"

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Originally by: GreenSurf

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I must say I'm surprised to hear the tone in this thread - I totally agree with Speedy that there's a problem here.
I believe that secure space should be secure - if it isn't a whole dimension of EVE is lost. Most of the people reading this thread may not appreciate the carebear profession, but it has it place in the game. I see this incident as a threat to that profession.

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Originally by: SamtheDog

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stuff

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Originally by: Phil Carter

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Can i have you stuff aswell as all other stuff ingame from ppl who don't want to play anymore and start of a "i hate CCP" thread in the forums?

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What stuff? there is no stuff left, because of game design some guy can lose 2% of his money and cause you to lose 99% of yours. Ya gee, wonder why only 20,000 people online still even after all these years.

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Originally by: Frug

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The only thing wrong here is that people who can't handle the game whine about it.

You got PWNED. Stop crying.

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Originally by: SamtheDog

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We wasn't pwn'd with battleships. READ my killmail, it was ONE brutix vs his ship.

He's exaggerated the circumstance to gain sympathy, & even his own killmail goes against his initial claim.

1v1 I died...he died...my hauler collected his loot.

I left happy, he wasn't.

End of story....move along..nothing to see here (anymore)

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Izo Azlion

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You flew all your wealth through space without considering any risk. If I walk down the streets of Manchester with all my worldly possessions - who cares about the Police? I'm going to get battered, robbed, and lucky if thats all.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: SamtheDog

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We wasn't pwn'd with battleships. READ my killmail, it was ONE brutix vs his ship.

He's exaggerated the circumstance to gain sympathy, & even his own killmail goes against his initial claim.

1v1 I died...he died...my hauler collected his loot.

I left happy, he wasn't.

End of story....move along..nothing to see here (anymore)

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What was the profit?

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:02:00
Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

All CCP would have to do is make concord destroy anyone who touches that wreck. This would completely eliminate the stupidity of suacide ganking. But hey.. then again, this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE.

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Originally by: Grunanca

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 02:02:00
Edited by: Speedy Banana on 26/05/2007 01:57:43

Originally by: Necrosmith

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Wow, you're stupid.

You don't carry $100,000 in cash around the bad part of town do you?

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

All CCP would have to do is make concord destroy anyone who touches that wreck. This would completely eliminate the stupidity of suacide ganking. But hey.. then again, this game was built from the very start to **** people off more then entertain. Hence the reason why there about as many people playing runescape as there are playing EVE.

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Actually that might have something to do with Runescape being free and a grind game, which is clearly something kids like these days, as wierd as it might seem... Also just the fact that you had 150 mil after 2 weeks shows me how easy this game has become.. Back when I was new it took more than a week to get 10 mil. Losing a BC was something you would remember and regret for a long time. Learn to live with loss or try SWG as even decay is not an issue there...

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Quote:

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"Well, let's see. Brutix 22.2M in jita with std tech1 kit (approx 1M total) insured for 27M at a cost of 8.1M for insurance. That means I lose 4M per brutix give or take how many mods are destroyed.

Now I had a 5.0 sec status, & that gives me plenty of chances to gain isk, but I won't blow up a ship for a mere 50M...it has to be around 150M+ or I won't bother. I mean seriously, what's the point of getting a piddly 60M that could go pop? A very aggressive engagement goes only one way...fast lock, check fast & make a fast decision & go for broke. It works nearly 90% of the time with a trusty hauler standing by, you can scoop & drop it off while you travel back to jita to refit in a brutix in your pod while your criminal timer wears off. Get into a new ship...rinse & repeat. There are plenty of fools out there, just choose who's stuff you want & simply take it.

As for his profit..it was a meager 100M or so. One guy I popped today lost a navy apoc BPC + 2 giant containers & ALOT of loot. http://singularity.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=2622 The guy even came back at my hauler to shoot at it with a noob ship when I went for his giant container (the std t1 stuff recycled for around 150M in jita). The other stuff I either sold or will stockpile for future empire ganking. Hell, I even got a large tower out of one ship. Was nice to see. But one guy had over FIFTY +4 implants in his ship & he *just* got away in structure.

All in all... 6 hours of ganking netted me 2.6bn in profits. Ruined alot of people's day. I'm sure at least one monitor was smashed & a few keyboards thrown. Heh..one guy threatened me with real life death & called it an exploit. Anyways...these are things you do for a week-end to have some fun. Shooting tactically-challenged individuals in empire & taking their stuff is fun & all...but 0.0 is where the game is really played. Not in the kids sandbox we call "empire".

Good money though.... Like a free dread + fittings in 6 hours."

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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Have never seen a more succinct description detailing EXACTLY why empire suicide ganking is 100% broken and MUST BE FIXED. Clearly something is SEVERELY broken for people to be able to make over 2.5 billion in 6 hours. CCP where is the risk versus reward? your game is quickly becoming a joke. A person was able to sit in jita for over 6 hours suiciding everyone was helpless to stop him, the faction hit is so minimal he could do it for 6 straight hours.

The crazy thing is you close down complexes because of a bad spawn time allowing people to make to much money to fast with to little risk, bet yet here is the same crap NO RISK, HUGE GAINS..... yes risk vs reward in eve is TRULY BROKEN.

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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Originally by: Stealthiest

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Get into an interceptor, Put 4 local hulls in lows and then go afk. At 800-900 m/s second your on the gate before they scanyou and decidde your worth killing and then lock you.

:)

btw put your **** in a can, they may risk it for a can but they usually don't. In high sec at least.

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I did several tests using cans and escrow wrap a few months ago.

Cargo Scanners WILL still see the cargo.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: SamtheDog

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Edited by: SamtheDog on 27/05/2007 13:18:50

Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: SamtheDog

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We wasn't pwn'd with battleships. READ my killmail, it was ONE brutix vs his ship.

He's exaggerated the circumstance to gain sympathy, & even his own killmail goes against his initial claim.

1v1 I died...he died...my hauler collected his loot.

I left happy, he wasn't.

End of story....move along..nothing to see here (anymore)

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What was the profit?

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Well, let's see. Brutix 22.2M in jita with std tech1 kit (approx 1M total) insured for 27M at a cost of 8.1M for insurance. That means I lose 4M per brutix give or take how many mods are destroyed.

Now I had a 5.0 sec status, & that gives me plenty of chances to gain isk, but I won't blow up a ship for a mere 50M...it has to be around 150M+ or I won't bother. I mean seriously, what's the point of getting a piddly 60M that could go pop? A very aggressive engagement goes only one way...fast lock, check fast & make a fast decision & go for broke. It works nearly 90% of the time with a trusty hauler standing by, you can scoop & drop it off while you travel back to jita to refit in a brutix in your pod while your criminal timer wears off. Get into a new ship...rinse & repeat. There are plenty of fools out there, just choose who's stuff you want & simply take it.

As for his profit..it was a meager 100M or so. One guy I popped today lost a navy apoc BPC + 2 giant containers & ALOT of loot. http://singularity.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=2622 The guy even came back at my hauler to shoot at it with a noob ship when I went for his giant container (the std t1 stuff recycled for around 150M in jita). The other stuff I either sold or will stockpile for future empire ganking. Hell, I even got a large tower out of one ship. Was nice to see. But one guy had over FIFTY +4 implants in his ship & he *just* got away in structure.

All in all... 6 hours of ganking netted me 2.6bn in profits. Ruined alot of people's day. I'm sure at least one monitor was smashed & a few keyboards thrown. Heh..one guy threatened me with real life death & called it an exploit. Anyways...these are things you do for a week-end to have some fun. Shooting tactically-challenged individuals in empire & taking their stuff is fun & all...but 0.0 is where the game is really played. Not in the kids sandbox we call "empire".

Good money though.... Like a free dread + fittings in 6 hours.



Cheers!

Sammy

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Originally by: Cruthensis

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Originally by: Frug

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The only thing wrong here is that people who can't handle the game whine about it.

You got PWNED. Stop crying.

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He was a month old!

Also, I think 'PWNED' would normally apply to a PVP encounter in which both sides engaged in combat-appropriate ships. To describe suiciding an indy with battleships as 'PWNED'...

"We really PWNED that guy. He had no guns, tank, nothing. Well done us! We F*cken rock."

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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The problem is you need isk to make isk. I need 100 million to make 20-30 mil profit. with 4 mil ill make 800k-1.2mil profit. Which is basically like starting all over again. And for what really? To run into another expliot down that line, where a bunch of idiots will just tell me "ohh ya you should have (somehow) known about that and not done this or that" ?

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Sadness...

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Originally by: RtoZ

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The fact that you're getting an insurance payout for losing a ship while ripping off a carebear is indeed proof that the game mechanics aren't totally balanced. Other than that I have little issue with what happened.

Warp to zero and some attention is enough to keep a valuable cargo more or less safe in a hauler. Anything worth more than 100m I tend to transport by itself in a battleship though. Haulers are for low value high volume items. Bulk transport of high value is a risk everyone should be aware of, even in 1.0.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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Edited by: Speedy Banana

Quote:

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Ohh you wan't realistic comprisons? Ok ill give you a realistic one. I'm walking down the street with 150 million in my pocket, with police officers right beside me. Somebody shoots me, and the cops shoot him. We're both dead. Now his friend comes and picks up the 75 million that's left on my corpse, which happens to be 2 feet away from the police, but they don't do anything.

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Originally by: MotoTsume

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Edited by: MotoTsume on 28/05/2007 00:10:31
i would have to say that anyone that have been posting since oh about page 3 or 4
havent been reading at all - since the Op has stated back about that, that he has
made the isk back.

so folk might want to read before posting, since even on this page there are people
asking for his stuff lol.

edit:spelling and grammar

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Quote:

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Thanks for the replies. As for the guy who thinks that empire sec status is 100% broken. I'd have to disagree.

#1 For those who have reading problems, I did NOT gank a single ship in jita, it was all over empire at various gates. When you gank a ship, concord stays there and you have to find a new spot (knowledge from what we call "observation").

#2 Warp to 0 was put into eve to AVOID this type of scenario as well as remove server lag (which was very well done btw..eve hasn't been smoother in a long time)

#3 To the guy who asked if you can cargo scan a ship. Yes you can, it's called cargo scanners & was put into the game for a reason which for some reason alot of players dont' seem to fully understand WHY it was there. Then again they dont' understand the concepts of SHIELDS & ARMOR....oh well.

As for the last guy who asked, the guy was in a fast ship...I locked him saw the implants & engaged him..he mwd'd it to the gate & jumped out in structure. One guy I killed was popped just as my ship was @ 5% structure with my drones on him (tech1 hammerheads are fine for this) in a 0.8 system.....dmg control 1's 4tw!). You dont' always get them. Sometimes a guy puts a shield booster or a plate on his hauler & I can't kill him in time b4 I die..but alot of guys would rather put speed b4 security.

People dont' seem to understand that this is a FIGHTING game.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game.

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Quote:

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"EvE is risk vs. reward, that simple."

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Originally by: Redpants

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks).

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2 weeks?! Oh no! When I lay down to go to sleep tonight, I'll think of this and cry for you. I think there's games more appropriate for you on the Wii, check those out.

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Originally by: Speedy Banana

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I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had.

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