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Lucre STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:39:00 - [541] Originally by: jamesw so theres no possibility it went like this?? bob dude: i'm gonna get you fired goes to msn bob dude says: hey mr dev old buddy old pal, can you please fire this guy... dev says: file a harrassment petition, you knob bob dude says: aw ok. files harrassment petition Yes, there's every possibility it went like that. And had CCP investigated this and explained the original chatlog was at X time and the petition submitted at time X+ and the ISD character banned at time X++ following the petition then neutrals here would probably be satisfied. But they didn't say that, did they? The question we have to ask is given how simple and effective it would be for such a timeline to have been explained, why wasn't it? I'm sure they have that info; I can't see it violates any confidentiality restrictions; and it'd substantially defuse this still hot topic. So why not? My horrid suspicion is that the timeline was not quite as virtuous as CCP might prefer & that action was underway before that petition arrived. Not a big issue normally - just someone helping out, maybe because they were embarrassed by the ISD guy's behaviour. But right now, admitting that happened would unleash a firestorm and they know it. But they don't dare lie, either. So they just carefully ignore it and hope it'll go away... I hope I'm wrong. But why else in such a careful and thorough explanation would they leave such an obvious omission?
Sirion Fujiwara	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:40:00 - [542] Originally by: CCP kieron Needless to say, it has been a very long weekend for a number of staff here at CCP Games. What could and should have been a quiet enjoyable extended weekend turned into something else. The following blog is long. There will be some in the community that claim the information contained is fabrication, fallacy or an attack by CCP on a portion of the player community. We are simply presenting the results of the investigations, as well as our interpretation of information presented to us and the events that transpired over the weekend. We ask you read the blog with an open mind and you reach your own conclusions based on the information presented. If you think CCP is in the wrong, we welcome constructive dialogue and criticism. If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests. If you agree with our assessment, we thank you for sharing our opinion and ask that you continue playing EVE in your normal manner. We do not ask for any retributive action to be taken, either in-game or out, on our behalf. IA investigation update: Three investigations concluded. Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!?? The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'......
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:42:00 - [543] I see the usual alts are going strong in this thread as well, it's sad that people have tried to reduce the game to this extent. Now it appears these alts try to shift the focus from their allegations which were proven to be falsified over to the fact that devs have friends (And no, I don't have any access to devs.) I have met John Carmack once, and I do have contact with Yahn Bernier from Valve, does this mean that I cheated at Quake, Counter-Strike or Teamfortress? The fact of the matter is simply a few players are trying to hold CCP hostage with unfounded allegations and blatant lies and use these "sensationalized" allegations to try to disrupt the business operations of CCP. I agree with Arkanon as well that the ôtimingö of these events, the use of several internet sites is very telling and validates these arguments. The ôGoonswarmö and others were not interested in truly getting to the bottom of any issue they may have felt was wrong, they wanted to cause as much havoc and grief as possible. ôThe allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.ö This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a ôpower tripö will come to an end.
Fivo Asia	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:43:00 - [544] Originally by: Feasd Addressing the issue of some BoB members having MSN contact with the devs is impossible. It's impossible because there is no way to prevent such friendships building up over time (and nor should there be), and no way for any company to regulate what its employees do in their free time. Besides, it's not just BoB... I'm sure that many other beta-aged players have the same access- it's only natural. Just because you haven't the knowledge to establish firewall rules doesn't mean the rest of the world is incapable. Few use MSN Chat on my network system from work without top-level management authorization and those that get caught spend nice times contemplating the loss of their jobs. At least CCP could be honest. At least CCP's ethics could allow the company to state publicly, "CCP actively promotes X corps/alliances with insider communication and give preferential information/knowledge/service to those groups" instead of the month plus times for petitions regularly cited. CCP doesn't have to be perfect, but CCP sure does need to be honest with its playerbase.
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:44:00 - [545] Originally by: XoPhyte This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a “power trip” will come to an end. This coming from an alliance that has been known to threaten certain members of other alliances with real life bodily harm.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:45:00 - [546] Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara Originally by: CCP kieron Needless to say, it has been a very long weekend for a number of staff here at CCP Games. What could and should have been a quiet enjoyable extended weekend turned into something else. The following blog is long. There will be some in the community that claim the information contained is fabrication, fallacy or an attack by CCP on a portion of the player community. We are simply presenting the results of the investigations, as well as our interpretation of information presented to us and the events that transpired over the weekend. We ask you read the blog with an open mind and you reach your own conclusions based on the information presented. If you think CCP is in the wrong, we welcome constructive dialogue and criticism. If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests. If you agree with our assessment, we thank you for sharing our opinion and ask that you continue playing EVE in your normal manner. We do not ask for any retributive action to be taken, either in-game or out, on our behalf. IA investigation update: Three investigations concluded. Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!?? The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'...... Wouldn't forums and elsewhere on the internet be out of game? The conclusions the witch-hunters immediately leap to whenever they get a chance speak volumes for their credibility.
Scandalous X	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:47:00 - [547] so there is not going to be anything (officilly) coming form CCP aboout the MSN issue? Just asking becouse that is the one that bothered me the most.
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:47:00 - [548] Originally by: Illiya Originally by: XoPhyte This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a ôpower tripö will come to an end. This coming from an alliance that has been known to threaten certain members of other alliances with real life bodily harm. /me watches Goonswarm lurch desperately onto its next pointless smear attack Wonder what new, unfounded, sensationalist claims you're going to try to make next? Really goons, you should be ashamed of yourselves. But I guess, for you, the time for dignity is past.
Bu Ya	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:48:00 - [549] Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!?? The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'...... There was an excerpt from the BoB forums where a BoB member hinted at physical retribution. Kieron probably just forgot what forum he was on.
Jonas Vance Orion's Nebula	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:51:00 - [550] Originally by: Radar Rat Originally by: XoPhyte I see the usual alts are going strong in this thread as well, it's sad that people have tried to reduce the game to this extent. Now it appears these alts try to shift the focus from their allegations which were proven to be falsified over to the fact that devs have friends (And no, I don't have any access to devs.) I have met John Carmack once, and I do have contact with Yahn Bernier from Valve, does this mean that I cheated at Quake, Counter-Strike or Teamfortress? The fact of the matter is simply a few players are trying to hold CCP hostage with unfounded allegations and blatant lies and use these "sensationalized" allegations to try to disrupt the business operations of CCP. I agree with Arkanon as well that the ôtimingö of these events, the use of several internet sites is very telling and validates these arguments. The ôGoonswarmö and others were not interested in truly getting to the bottom of any issue they may have felt was wrong, they wanted to cause as much havoc and grief as possible. ôThe allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.ö This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a ôpower tripö will come to an end. Xophyte im stunned, how can you say that, your own alliance has openly admitted and not once denied having direct links to CCP, and on the original claims by goonfleet, CCP have carefully avoided answering the most damaging part of each issue. Just don't bother... be satisfied in the knowledge that BoB's reputation has been marred long ago. They will forever be known as cheaters and BoD. As much as they try to spin it and hope it blows over, that stigma will never ever leave them. Do as I have done and fight the injustice with your feet and just walk away.
Lady Spanky Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:51:00 - [551] Originally by: Bu Ya Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!?? The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'...... There was an excerpt from the BoB forums where a BoB member hinted at physical retribution. Kieron probably just forgot what forum he was on. Oooh! Looook! Goons are about to try to start yet another unfounded allegation! How exciting. Shame all their previous ones failed. Maybe this one will be the one that works for them, eh? Failing that, they can just try another.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:51:00 - [552] Originally by: General Windypops - Are widely regarded as some of eve's most experienced pilots and have made some friends in CCP through their long standing commitment to the game Clearly this is the problem, however. It's not wrong to have friends in CCP, true. Can we be sure those friendships have not been used to manipulate the game, though? Perhaps the odd petition was advanced, perhaps intel was leaked, perhaps even worse. At this point, given the examples we have of shady dealings in the past I'll admit I'm reluctant to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. At this point I don't see why I'm expected to when CCP have shown they have such little respect for us players. After all how long did they know about T20? Six months wasn't it? Before anyone attacks me for bringing up the past T20 showed us that CCP will do nothing until they are finally forced to. As long as things are kept under wraps we can be sure nothing will change and CCP staff acting inappropriately will go unpunished. And the censorship on these forums, where any discussion of exploits or staff is deleted, keep harmful activies hidden from us, the average player. Of course what the goons did was over the top, but until CCP allows us a forum to air fragrant abuses of developer-player relationships such tactics will be used. CCP could have put rules in place to stop such behaviour, instead they threaten their users with legal sanctions. I thank CCP for creating such a great game but they should note that though they created it we pay for it and that if their playing the game is the cause of problems with those who pay for the game it needs to stop. I hope they will see this for the problem it is but I confess I'm not hopeful after their reaction.
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:53:00 - [553] Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Illiya Originally by: XoPhyte This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a “power trip” will come to an end. This coming from an alliance that has been known to threaten certain members of other alliances with real life bodily harm. /me watches Goonswarm lurch desperately onto its next pointless smear attack Wonder what new, unfounded, sensationalist claims you're going to try to make next? Really goons, you should be ashamed of yourselves. But I guess, for you, the time for dignity is past. Members of corporations who have been at work on our own personal titan project have had documented threats leveled at them by members of the Band of Brothers in game alliance. It's not a smear campaign it's simply a statement of fact. I, myself, have never been threatened with bodily harm though I heartily assure them that any attemps at such would end in their own injury but I digress. Until I myself have been threatened I don't feel justified in posting any more about it, but if the members of our alliance who have been threatened with bodily harm want to come into this thread and share their stories, they're more than welcome to do so and I will highly encourage it.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:54:00 - [554] Originally by: Illiya Why does CCP only act when absolutely forced to? People point to IA repeatedly but remember, IA is a brand new department that was created ONLY AFTER a similar threadnaught and regardless of the penalties the end result of those issues was that CCP said "yeah we might have kind of screwed up a little in some places. Maybe. Sort of." The truth is, you guys did NOT use proper channels. The forum mods here are rather draconic and they have been for years. Thats why they have email boxes setup. When you failed to follow the rules and got banned for it, you cried all over the internet. Never did you mention on these sites that you NEVER opened an official investigation, nor did you follow proper channels for answers to your questions. You just decided it would be a awesome Idea to submit harmful news stories (without any basis) to internet sites all over the place. You did all this, because you failed to follow simple instructions. Those instructions were posted many months ago. They were if you have a complaint about something, send it to [email protected]. So instead of actually opening a complaint you had to go and try and show the world that you had baseless accusations. On top of that, now that its all over are you going to go remove your articles on Slashdot, or Digg, or anywhere else? Are you going to try and fix the damage you tried to cause? Are you even going to thank someone for working thier asses for you, for no reason? And you wonder why CCP treats you the way they do. You are acting mostly like untamed children with no respect for anything outside of themselves. Im 100% sure CCP would act properly if you guys used the proper channels. Like your story about the senior GM, CCP acted properly about that, granted it took you 100 tries (if this was post t20 you could have sent an email to IA, they would have hopped on it) but in the end the GM acted correctly, without you having to draw up a **storm. Another thing I find funny is how you guys are always so quick to tell everyone that BoB lies, but the minute they say something you want to believe they no longer lie. For example, They say the have devs on MSN you believe it (as its very plausible, a lot of beta players have friends that now work for ccp) but when they say they don't use their friends to get a head in game you don't believe it. Whats up with that? You belive half the statement and not the other half? Why, because the other half of the statement fits your agenda? I'm pretty sure ive seen posts from everyone that if MSN is used to help someone get ahead its a bad thing, and that shouldn't happen. Ive seen members of BoB say that, Members of Goonies, members of d2. We are all in agreement here, and the blog DOES cover it: Originally by:** CCP Arkanon At the same time, each and every CCP employee is expected to exercise their judgment while doing so and treat EVE, CCP and our customers with the respect they deserve. Nothing else is acceptable, not to you and certainly not to us. Originally by: CCP Arkanon Examples of action taken or initiated by Internal Affairs include a complete and ongoing revision of existing in-house rules, as well as all investigations into any allegations of misconduct. This activity has on occasion led to employment termination of staff and volunteers, in accordance with processes we have in place to address such incidents. While we do not enjoy speaking or publicizing these instances, they have occured. Im pretty sure if you follow what he says, it means any employee that abuses their powers and creates any sort of unfair balance will be terminated. Im 99% sure that includes leaking anything that might be pertinent over MSN. If CCP could confirm this however, I think it would go a long way. Your only option is not to quit. If you love the community and the game, become part of it. Help it get better by reporting forum and game abuse/unfairness to the PROPER channels. __________________________________________
Shiny McJangles GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:54:00 - [555] Originally by: XoPhyte I see the usual alts are going strong in this thread as well, it's sad that people have tried to reduce the game to this extent. Now it appears these alts try to shift the focus from their allegations which were proven to be falsified over to the fact that devs have friends (And no, I don't have any access to devs.) I have met John Carmack once, and I do have contact with Yahn Bernier from Valve, does this mean that I cheated at Quake, Counter-Strike or Teamfortress? The fact of the matter is simply a few players are trying to hold CCP hostage with unfounded allegations and blatant lies and use these "sensationalized" allegations to try to disrupt the business operations of CCP. I agree with Arkanon as well that the ôtimingö of these events, the use of several internet sites is very telling and validates these arguments. The ôGoonswarmö and others were not interested in truly getting to the bottom of any issue they may have felt was wrong, they wanted to cause as much havoc and grief as possible. ôThe allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.ö This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a ôpower tripö will come to an end. Blatant lies? If they were blatant lies why didn't CCP address them and show us this blatant proof. If they are so easily seen as lies the proof must be just as available. The fact is CCP once again side-stepped the issue that it is full of some corrupt Devs/GMs who are using their power to change the game. The timing of these events coincides with when we found out about them. Sorry CCP if you hadn't had cheating Dev's like t20 we wouldn't have to worry about information claiming that something fishy is going on. Then you delete the open letter. So we keep posting it (our right to post is given by the purchasing this account, if we were out of line then ban the forumaccounts, don't bring this "our law team is looking into it" drivel you sound ignorant). Finaly an answer is given after you had to slave away all holiday weekend because the damn customers were upset. Hey welcome to the real world CCP. Nice customer service you got there.
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:54:00 - [556] Originally by: Bu Ya Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!?? The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'...... There was an excerpt from the BoB forums where a BoB member hinted at physical retribution. Kieron probably just forgot what forum he was on. n:iceburn:
KeratinBoy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:54:00 - [557] Originally by: General Windypops /me watches Goonswarm lurch desperately onto its next pointless smear attack Wonder what new, unfounded, sensationalist claims you're going to try to make next? Really goons, you should be ashamed of yourselves. But I guess, for you, the time for dignity is past. I believe everyone heard you the many, many times you posted this sort of thing a la your character name before. Also, when did Goonfleet ever claim to have dignity?
Lord Guffy Minmatar Lame Duck Logistics	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:56:00 - [558] Originally by: Illiya Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Illiya Originally by: XoPhyte This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a ôpower tripö will come to an end. This coming from an alliance that has been known to threaten certain members of other alliances with real life bodily harm. /me watches Goonswarm lurch desperately onto its next pointless smear attack Wonder what new, unfounded, sensationalist claims you're going to try to make next? Really goons, you should be ashamed of yourselves. But I guess, for you, the time for dignity is past. Members of corporations who have been at work on our own personal titan project have had documented threats leveled at them by members of the Band of Brothers in game alliance. It's not a smear campaign it's simply a statement of fact. I, myself, have never been threatened with bodily harm though I heartily assure them that any attemps at such would end in their own injury but I digress. Until I myself have been threatened I don't feel justified in posting any more about it, but if the members of our alliance who have been threatened with bodily harm want to come into this thread and share their stories, they're more than welcome to do so and I will highly encourage it. You guys are just becoming a laughing stock now. I really can't decide whether to laugh or cry at your increasingly desperate claims. To be honest, I think most people are infinitely more offended by GS's immature, vindictive assault on the forums that the whole of eve share, and by your spamming of racist and illegal images. Personally, since CCP will be able to trace names and addresses of those who posted these illegal images, I hope they do the responsible thing and pass those details on to the proper authorities.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:57:00 - [559] Originally by: Illiya Originally by: Bu Ya Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!?? The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'...... There was an excerpt from the BoB forums where a BoB member hinted at physical retribution. Kieron probably just forgot what forum he was on. n:iceburn: Your trolling never ends does it?
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:59:00 - [560] Let's suppose for a second that some of you are right and we have screwed up by citing dianabolic's own testimony as evidence. If it's not true than it's a troll to stir up the controversy even farther. If he's trolling then he has done so multiple times on this issue and should be banned from eve-o. If he's telling the truth than he's implicated CCP and we no longer can trust the Developers. Either way, it's still a bad thing.
John McFly	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:00:00 - [561] Is there a way I can find out the MSN for the dev assigned to my corp/alliance? I prefer AIM, but I'll log into MSN if thats what it takes to get instant results to any complaints I might have...
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:01:00 - [562] Originally by: Illiya Let's suppose for a second that some of you are right and we have screwed up by citing dianabolic's own testimony as evidence. If it's not true than it's a troll to stir up the controversy even farther. If he's trolling then he has done so multiple times on this issue and should be banned from eve-o. If he's telling the truth than he's implicated CCP and we no longer can trust the Developers. Either way, it's still a bad thing. If trolling would get you banned you would not be here.
KeratinBoy	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:02:00 - [563] Originally by: Lord Guffy You guys are just becoming a laughing stock now. I really can't decide whether to laugh or cry at your increasingly desperate claims. To be honest, I think most people are infinitely more offended by GS's immature, vindictive assault on the forums that the whole of eve share, and by your spamming of racist and illegal images. Personally, since CCP will be able to trace names and addresses of those who posted these illegal images, I hope they do the responsible thing and pass those details on to the proper authorities. Again, a lot of noise and no content. We are becoming a laughingstock now? Were we merely gigglesome before?
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:02:00 - [564] Originally by: Lord Guffy Originally by: Illiya Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Illiya Originally by: XoPhyte This is the best news yet, and offers hope that these unwarranted attacks from a very disturbed group of players on a “power trip” will come to an end. This coming from an alliance that has been known to threaten certain members of other alliances with real life bodily harm. /me watches Goonswarm lurch desperately onto its next pointless smear attack Wonder what new, unfounded, sensationalist claims you're going to try to make next? Really goons, you should be ashamed of yourselves. But I guess, for you, the time for dignity is past. Members of corporations who have been at work on our own personal titan project have had documented threats leveled at them by members of the Band of Brothers in game alliance. It's not a smear campaign it's simply a statement of fact. I, myself, have never been threatened with bodily harm though I heartily assure them that any attemps at such would end in their own injury but I digress. Until I myself have been threatened I don't feel justified in posting any more about it, but if the members of our alliance who have been threatened with bodily harm want to come into this thread and share their stories, they're more than welcome to do so and I will highly encourage it. You guys are just becoming a laughing stock now. I really can't decide whether to laugh or cry at your increasingly desperate claims. To be honest, I think most people are infinitely more offended by GS's immature, vindictive assault on the forums that the whole of eve share, and by your spamming of racist and illegal images. Personally, since CCP will be able to trace names and addresses of those who posted these illegal images, I hope they do the responsible thing and pass those details on to the proper authorities. I fail to see what there is to be offended about. Again, I myself have not been threatened but I know others who have. I will encourage them to share their stories, what more would you like from me on this?
Scandalous X	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:02:00 - [565] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Illiya Let's suppose for a second that some of you are right and we have screwed up by citing dianabolic's own testimony as evidence. If it's not true than it's a troll to stir up the controversy even farther. If he's trolling then he has done so multiple times on this issue and should be banned from eve-o. If he's telling the truth than he's implicated CCP and we no longer can trust the Developers. Either way, it's still a bad thing. If trolling would get you banned you would not be here. neither would you
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:04:00 - [566] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Illiya Let's suppose for a second that some of you are right and we have screwed up by citing dianabolic's own testimony as evidence. If it's not true than it's a troll to stir up the controversy even farther. If he's trolling then he has done so multiple times on this issue and should be banned from eve-o. If he's telling the truth than he's implicated CCP and we no longer can trust the Developers. Either way, it's still a bad thing. If trolling would get you banned you would not be here. Please show me where I'm trolling. So far, not one of my posts has been edited by a moderator to my knowledge. The fact is the kieron joke I quoted was, as far as I'm concerned, witty and humorous and I said as much.
Feasd Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:04:00 - [567] Originally by: Fivo Asia Originally by: Feasd Addressing the issue of some BoB members having MSN contact with the devs is impossible. It's impossible because there is no way to prevent such friendships building up over time (and nor should there be), and no way for any company to regulate what its employees do in their free time. Besides, it's not just BoB... I'm sure that many other beta-aged players have the same access- it's only natural. Just because you haven't the knowledge to establish firewall rules doesn't mean the rest of the world is incapable. Few use MSN Chat on my network system from work without top-level management authorization and those that get caught spend nice times contemplating the loss of their jobs. <snip> On the contrary, I am perfectly capable of configuring a firewall properly. However, I fail to see what impact this would have on somebody utilising MSN from home which was the point I was getting at (unless you are advocating that CCP employees should only ever use the Internet via the office, which seems somewhat draconian).
Veronique deEstelle Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:04:00 - [568] The main problem from my point of view seems to be some borked ways of comunication between CCP and player base. 'DarkStar 1' corp has some questions about GM actions, files a pedition which get closed/deleted/whatever without answer. Other tries of comunication in-game fail too. So now they go to the forums, a way you CCP Arkanon recommend in this very blog too and what happens... thread gets deleted. Now they start spamming the forums, the whole case blows up and here we are. Suddenly it is no problem to explain every tiny bit and it shows that all is fine and dandy exept you now call DarkStar 1 liar because you failed to answer their questions early. Concerning the 'rigged' events: I have no problem with CCP choosing an end of a story to promote some new strings of events. To the case of unfair dismissial of an ISD guy: After the vast documention of the DarkStar 1 points a fairly vague pedition (without timestamp) about bumping a dread... once, seems a little weak for me to get rid of an (even unwanted) ISD employe. The accusation of Goonswarm to run a carefully constructed and well-timed conspiracy to harm CCP seems base-less to me since it was CCP staff that deleted the orginally thread and caused the following stom. And remember... in this very blog is posting in forum as a way to get in contact with CCP staff recommended. About these MSN story I'm a little bit undecided. For one I envy player who have some short-cut to get things done faster and I feel that this is unjust. On the other hand it seems to me that EVE has benefit from a close player/CCP relationship since the very first days. Guess it boils down to the question if one trust CCP enough to keep ties to some players without giving it the look of favoritism.
Shiny McJangles GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:07:00 - [569] Originally by: Lord Guffy Personally, since CCP will be able to trace names and addresses of those who posted these illegal images, I hope they do the responsible thing and pass those details on to the proper authorities. You are the laughing stock thinking that posting those pictures on the internet is illegal. i hope the catch those guys really, for the sake of all the internet.
Robert Denby	Posted - 2007.05.30 16:09:00 - [570] This is SO not concluded... WHAT ABOUT CIRCUMVENTING THE PETITION SYSTEM? That's the biggest issue here, why does the rest of Eve have to go through the pettion system, while BoB gets to simply use MSN and get things resolved instantly? Is CCP saying that this won't be addressed? Because they're saying it's "concluded," but they're not addressing this at all. WTF?

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