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Xandria Foreman	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Except for the bit about threatening us. That wasn't expected; that was a hysterical treat. By the way, we have more lawyers in GoonSwarm than you have employees. Now THAT was a hysterical threat. I'm sure they cringe at what sort of legal excrement storm your host of law students will unleash upon them. I'm not in goon, but the way their talking I really don't think their law students
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:49:00 - [92] Originally by: Desiderata Fabian MMO operator threatens to sue player guild for daring to bring up corruption allegations. That is sure to play well in the press. Can we expect in game retribution too? Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Desiderata Fabian MMO operator threatens to sue player guild for launching organized attacks against servers in hopes of crashing them. That is sure to play well in the press. Can we expect in game retribution too? I fixed it for you. Goons posting isn't an attempt to crash anything, anyway would we want to crash them when we were trying to get a message out? You do know that they were taken down by CCP while they were still working fine, yes?
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:50:00 - [93] Originally by: Phoenus Oh wtf, I'm past caring. From my previous (edited) post: Quote: Pardon me for posting, especially whilst semi-drunk... but. GTFO my game, you disease. Seriously, you've done nothing but troll. You've been proven wrong. Go play elsewhere. You don't like the way this game is run. Leave. You sicken me. Seriously, cry more - I mean it. You chose the perfect weekend to unleash a 150+ page thread upon CCP, and you just got shot in the foot. Epic FAIL. I hope you leave... All of you. Sure, I'll end up loosing out on targets, but, hell, you don't deserve to be able to play this game. Go cry and attempt to ruin some other MMO. Someone using the phrase EPIC FAIL should know that if we were really trying to bring down eve it wouldn't have been done like this
Barwinius Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:51:00 - [94] Thank you. I would have liked the secondary issues being addressed but can live with this.
SaIIy Minmatar X1 Industries	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:51:00 - [95] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 30/05/2007 02:30:53 Except for the bit about threatening us. That wasn't expected; that was a hysterical treat. By the way, we have more lawyers in GoonSwarm than you have employees. Actually, this sounds more like a threat and shows just how totally unprofessional Goons have become (in games and most probably in real life). I hope to god I never employ a lawyer with this type of mindset.
Jonas Vance Orion's Nebula	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:53:00 - [96] So are CCP actually going to respond to the legitimate questions in this thread, or they going to ignore it and hope it goes away (Like a good portion of their customer base)
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:54:00 - [97] How cute. QwaarJet thinks he speaks for the community. No my good friend, the only part of the community that is still outraged despite all the attention given to these allegations, are the same ones who've got no politics, culture, economy, and military left to pursue victory through legitimate ingame means. "This game sucks anyways" is the futility most often associated with carebears, sore losers, witless cretins, and general all around bad sports. I would ask for your stuff, if I did not fear being infected by whatever strain of Jovian biogenics used to rot your brain. ps: gg
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:58:00 - [98] Edited by: Sir Lolle on 30/05/2007 02:57:09 Originally by: Arenis Xemdal How cute. QwaarJet thinks he speaks for the community. No my good friend, the only part of the community that is still outraged despite all the attention given to these allegations, are the same ones who've got no politics, culture, economy, and military left to pursue victory through legitimate ingame means. "This game sucks anyways" is the futility most often associated with carebears, sore losers, witless cretins, and general all around bad sports. I would ask for your stuff, if I did not fear being infected by whatever strain of Jovian biogenics used to rot your brain. ps: gg All they have is t1 frigs anyway Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
SaIIy Minmatar X1 Industries	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:59:00 - [99] Originally by: Moonlight Express Of course, the beauty of this is that now, BoB will have a free reign and can do whatever they want because if someone starts to whine and does not have any proof, they might get banned or at least it will be dismissed as a whine. Brilliant once again, BoB. Bad move once again, Coalition. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Clearly it is all that Legal training that they have within the Goon ranks ... makes me embarrassed that my daughter wants to be in the legal profession.
Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:00:00 - [100] Originally by: Moonlight Express So we should see less lag now that all of you are quitting and the others are getting banned. Right? Because if I owned a company and someone attempted to destroy it, I would not have them as a customer, thatÆs for sure. It's rampant cheating and favoritism that's destroying the company, not bringing to light said rampant cheating and favoritism.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:00:00 - [101] Acceptable resolution. Not great, but acceptable. Better openness from CCP. And remember, they are bound to protect people's privacy. They have never knowingly violated that, unlike you-know-who. The problem here is that Goonswarm et al long ago decided this was not about BOB vs. Goons, but Goons vs. CCP, since they clearly equate the two. Are there links? Sure. Diana admitted that. Either that was very open of him, or very stupid of him, or more likely, both. That doesn't mean that it's affecting the game, but the Goons are unwilling to extend the benefit of the doubt given past actions. Okay, that's fine - we can believe whatever we want. But CCP can't go through everyone's MSN list by hand and say, delete so-and-so. That's outside of their purview. If they want to make employees sign something about non-interefence in the game, secrecy of dev info, whatever, and publicize that, great, fine. That's a semi-reasonable request. It may have already been done. I'm sure it's in the company legal mumbo-jumbo somewhere. But the requests we're seeing aren't reasonable, and they aren't constructive, and they are deeply offensive and thuggish and absolutley uncompromising. As accusations are struck down, the mob rallies around the few it has left and demands ever greater concessions. Why not just make the demands of BOB? You won't get what you want, but you might arouse enough sympathy to gain allies in your failing fight against them. It's a better idea than fighting the war on Slashdot and MMORPG.COM, no? The problem rising from this is that now CCP has said, truthfully and accurately, that they resent being directly attacked on multiple websites and aren't going to take it. Well, they're right to do so. The amount of vitriol that flows through the internet daily is absurd, and for people to believe they are permanently beyond consequences for their actions is equally absurd. Goonswarm's purpose has been to hold CCP responsible for misdeeds both real and imagined through whatever means available to them, it is only reasonable that a company with its financial future at stake should be expected to do the same to them. However, in doing so, CCP themselves make it more of a Goons vs. CCP issue, which ultimately doesn't help very much. That said, I'm sick of this crap. Let's get on with the game. If you still see a serious problem or conspiracy against you, I strongly suggest voting with your feet. It's honestly the most effective method of protest available.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:02:00 - [102] Arkanon, thank you for the details. I, for one, want to find out if the (previously alleged) way reporter was sacked was true, or he lied and falsified IRC logs/story? I am sure you keep IRC logs, so you should be able to check timestamps and see if that Admiral whatever did really come to IRC just after the 'incident', and if that IRC log is valid, or falsified. Evidence presented looks fair, but I have few minor questions: 1. What email client is showing spell/grammar errors while reading email? I presume GM didn't take, by chance a screenshot while writing an email. I know, it's silly detail, but it bugs me. 2. Why couldn't you show us petition date, on petition screen for bumping the dread? We can see petition history for DS1 guy, why couldn't we see petition date for bumping dread issue? 3. Reporter (allegedly) worked for ISD for over a year. Why was he so instantly sacked after petition for 'bumping' a dread? Especially, if his version of the story is true, and you teleport directly to ship and can't choose distance? Seems strange to fire someone just like that, after a mistake he (allegedly) didn't even have influence on. Thanks.
aethyl Minmatar STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:03:00 - [103] well im dissapointed CCP if this it. Selective answers and threats.
Trishan Minmatar Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:03:00 - [104] I'm reasonably satisfied with both the content and the form. This is far far better than what we have gotten previously in both aspects, and you don't end up with the impression that you've been just brushed away with neverending marketroidese or divine decree. Personally I don't consider it long at all, just the right size. Yes, there are quite a variety of rough edges left in a number of areas. I'm however willing to live with them for now, so I'm staying. I do hope that CCP learns its multiple lessons from all this, and gets proactive where it has to. Because something will have to be done; you got thousands of posts to prove that, on the GS side, on BoB side, and on neutral side. [rant] While CCP seems to be pointing fingers at one direction, it's as easy to point them at the other direction too: As far as I can tell (I read all the posts but I might have missed it) one of the involved parties hasn't been around to post a "you morons! my ccp friends told me to post a petition like everybody else even if im in QA -- just like always -- my epeen has been shrinked!", when everybody is upset that he could get a personal private channel for his petitions. One of the parties has been adding fuel to the fire, starting around page 12, and almost everyone falling behind the line of the "party". Just like the other side is on arms because it considers itself wronged. Unless CCP starts getting its stuff together and visibly doing something about this whole trust situation, this is going to eventually implode. You got thousands of posts worth of warning. [/rant]
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:03:00 - [105] Some people just don't know when to quit. I hope this blog serves to educate those people to that end. GG CCP. ♥♥♥ /Ben How to fix Eve
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:04:00 - [106] We aren't trying to destroy CCP and we aren't trying to destroy EVE. Shut the hell up about that already. Believe it or not, we love this game, which should be apparent from the stations we hold and our capital ship fleet. Lets look at the facts: 1) We posted these allegations to the forums. THEY WERE DELETED WITHOUT WARNING. 2) We got **ed, and began spamming the forums, because any reference to our article was automatically washed out. This is the only way to get CCP's attention about this kind of crap. Deal with it. 3) Once CCP responded, we stopped. The only thing GoonSwarm as a whole cares about is the direct access to CCP developers and GMs that Dianabolic openly admitted to. You can throw the term 'tinfoil hat' at us all you want BoB, but the fact is your fking lead diplomat admitted to it. How the hell are you supposed to just 'forget' about a direct confession like that?
Waffle House	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:05:00 - [107] Well the question about the msn accusation should be "Does it matter?" In the worse case, a player that probably is in regular contact with ccp (and has probably been doing this since BETA) to work out bugs that only a major alliance can have has a quicker contact then the average player. So instead of it taking 45 minutes for a harassment petition, it took 15 minutes. If everyone had this contact, it would be abused just like the "unnamed corp" abused the eve-o forums until it was useless. During this spam attack, i was in the in game help channel and the "un named corp" was doing their best to make that channel completely useless. Even without that, can you picture the MSN chat channel with 25k people asking "why is jita so slow, how do I add ammo to my civi autocannon". Some people will say this is unfair, but is it a game effecting matter? If I had to choose between a few players that have been in game forever being able to get slightly faster service from CCP, or a corp that did its best to shoot down a game that I enjoy very much. I think you can guess who I think deserves the perma ban stick. And whats worse, is that the "unnamed corp" has probably gotten its membership so riled up and full of hate, that a lot of people that should really be enjoying the game and going far in it, are now stuck in the "I can never win because the game is totally rigged against me" mode. And the final rambling point I want to make. Have you ever noticed how senior BOB members tend to post comments (that are often less then accurate) just to tweak a person/corps nose? They seem to intentional try to break the will of their enemies by saying things that make the battle hopeless? I dont think I would accept anything said by a BoB member on the Eve-o forums at face value.
XFreedomX	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:06:00 - [108] Dear CCP, I hope you will not stop here and think that the investigation or reconciliation is over. There are obviously some serious problems that needs to be resolved. 1. As stated in your report, this weekends event is a designed attack against you. Even tho the thread does not state the corp name, it is clearly pointing the finger at GOON. I have a few questions... - What is GOON's motivation? - Why did you think it was a designed attact to discredit you? - What are you gonna do about it? 2. From what I read over the last few days... yes, I too spend my weekend following this issue (wish to point out that I did not get paid either so stop winning about having to work extra over the weekend, its your JOB) The most troubling issue is the favoritizm CCP seems to show toward BOB over all other. If it is not true, please state this for the record and what you will do about players who represent themself as having your favor, because this is as much if not worse a smear against you as someone accusing you of it. If it is ture, please state why you think this is okay or what you will do to change this. Thanks
Kuseka Adama Gallente WOLFPACK DELTA	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:06:00 - [109] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex 1. What email client is showing spell/grammar errors while reading email? I presume GM didn't take, by chance a screenshot while writing an email. I know, it's silly detail, but it bugs me. As i stated earlier in the thread most likely a combination of MS outlook and MS Word I have very little experience with the program other than it was used to help setup my highspeed ISP and i had a very simular looking window at the time for that situation. My posts on pages 3 and 4 would explain it a bit better.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:06:00 - [110] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Phoenus Oh wtf, I'm past caring. From my previous (edited) post: Quote: Pardon me for posting, especially whilst semi-drunk... but. GTFO my game, you disease. Seriously, you've done nothing but troll. You've been proven wrong. Go play elsewhere. You don't like the way this game is run. Leave. You sicken me. Seriously, cry more - I mean it. You chose the perfect weekend to unleash a 150+ page thread upon CCP, and you just got shot in the foot. Epic FAIL. I hope you leave... All of you. Sure, I'll end up loosing out on targets, but, hell, you don't deserve to be able to play this game. Go cry and attempt to ruin some other MMO. Someone using the phrase EPIC FAIL should know that if we were really trying to bring down eve it wouldn't have been done like this You guys can't cry about veiled threats against you while you're constantly making them against the game itself. Such arrogance surpasses BOB by several degrees.
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:07:00 - [111] Originally by: Waffle House Well the question about the msn accusation should be "Does it matter?" In the worse case, a player that probably is in regular contact with ccp (and has probably been doing this since BETA) to work out bugs that only a major alliance can have has a quicker contact then the average player. So instead of it taking 45 minutes for a harassment petition, it took 15 minutes. Goons who think the bob / developer connection was ever abused are pretty delusional tbqh. I for one am sure that it was only used to fix bugs in game, such as 10/10 overseers who spawn every half hour. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
blkmajik ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:07:00 - [112] Lets generalize: 1) CCP employee/volunteer makes a mistake, does something questionable, or forgets a step in some other process. 2) Event is observed by an in-game player. 3) Player submits a petition. 4) Petition gets ignored or deleted. 5) Player posts on forums 6) Forum post moderated, player possible banned. 7) Player and/or friends makes stink about the ordeal, spam it, report it to 3rd parties, etc. 8) CCP frantically deletes any reference until this becomes unmanageable. 9) A devblog is posted asking to stop the spam as the matter is investigated. 10) Some time goes by as an investigation is performed. 11) A devblog is posted explaining the situation, admitting any guilt, or otherwise not addressing the issue. I think if steps 4 or 6 were handled in a better way, we would never see steps 7 through 11 unless there actually was a cover-up attemp. Not that the way the last few 'incidents' have been handled is right or wrong, but two things are for sure: 1. its effective, and 2. nothing else seems to work. Take the hint.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:08:00 - [113] Originally by: Adam Weishaupt You guys can't cry about veiled threats against you while you're constantly making them against the game itself. Such arrogance surpasses BOB by several degrees. He just told you that we aren't trying to destroy this game and we have no intention to. You should probably learn to read.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:10:00 - [114] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Adam Weishaupt You guys can't cry about veiled threats against you while you're constantly making them against the game itself. Such arrogance surpasses BOB by several degrees. He just told you that we aren't trying to destroy this game and we have no intention to. You should probably learn to read. This was all a joke right? The whole, get as much bad press as possible on CCP. Spam their forums til they crash.
Etien Aldragoran GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:10:00 - [115] Originally by: Waffle House Well the question about the msn accusation should be "Does it matter?" In the worse case, a player that probably is in regular contact with ccp (and has probably been doing this since BETA) to work out bugs that only a major alliance can have has a quicker contact then the average player. So instead of it taking 45 minutes for a harassment petition, it took 15 minutes. If everyone had this contact, it would be abused just like the "unnamed corp" abused the eve-o forums until it was useless. During this spam attack, i was in the in game help channel and the "un named corp" was doing their best to make that channel completely useless. Even without that, can you picture the MSN chat channel with 25k people asking "why is jita so slow, how do I add ammo to my civi autocannon". Some people will say this is unfair, but is it a game effecting matter? If I had to choose between a few players that have been in game forever being able to get slightly faster service from CCP, or a corp that did its best to shoot down a game that I enjoy very much. I think you can guess who I think deserves the perma ban stick. And whats worse, is that the "unnamed corp" has probably gotten its membership so riled up and full of hate, that a lot of people that should really be enjoying the game and going far in it, are now stuck in the "I can never win because the game is totally rigged against me" mode. And the final rambling point I want to make. Have you ever noticed how senior BOB members tend to post comments (that are often less then accurate) just to tweak a person/corps nose? They seem to intentional try to break the will of their enemies by saying things that make the battle hopeless? I dont think I would accept anything said by a BoB member on the Eve-o forums at face value. Yes it matters, only a complete ***** moron wouldn't think stuff like that didn't matter, because it can't be controlled and scrutinized by the company. As for BoB members, they can do that because CCP doesn't do anything about it. If Dianabolic had gotten muzzled for a month of so for even hinting at ** like he did by CCP we wouldn't be having these problems. ------------------------------------------------------ I am not a nice person, never have, never will be, its my burden to deal with the consequences of my actions.
Rongar Maximus	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:11:00 - [116] How much financial damage would losing the 2000 members of GoonSwarm (those that came from SA) from the monthly subscriptions ($30,000 USD per month) cause CCP? Sure, they would survive, but the concurrent number of users has not insubstantially increased in months (http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility) While to those of us left it might appear to be a good thing (fewer players on line == less lag) but what impact will that have on CCP long term? Those threats may encourage them all to set a long skill training, move back to high sec, and take a 6 month break. Who wins then?
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:11:00 - [117] Originally by: XFreedomX please state this for the record and what you will do about players who represent themself as having your favor, because this is as much if not worse a smear against you as someone accusing you of it. Thanks I like this idea there's no such thing as bad press
Ediz Daxx FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:12:00 - [118] Originally by: Rongar Maximus How much financial damage would losing the 2000 members of GoonSwarm (those that came from SA) from the monthly subscriptions ($30,000 USD per month) cause CCP? Sure, they would survive, but the concurrent number of users has not insubstantially increased in months (http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility) While to those of us left it might appear to be a good thing (fewer players on line == less lag) but what impact will that have on CCP long term? Those threats may encourage them all to set a long skill training, move back to high sec, and take a 6 month break. Who wins then? The community wins.
Kirika Misono War by Proxy	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:12:00 - [119] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd As an aside, it does bring up some interesting theory. Could CCP actually claim that it is a separate 3rd party from the game and should not be subject to the politics of the game itself, when such an obvious miasma exists over their interference in the game? Hmmm...strictly from a "US" legal perspective, no, as the GMs/Devs are employees of the corporate entity known to us as CCP. I'm not entirely sure how it falls out in Iceland, but I once again point out that the EULA is governed by the laws of Iceland, but in non-EULA related situations: libel, for example, CCP can be brought before US courts, and possibly other nations courts. Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
Imode 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.30 03:12:00 - [120] @ Goons. If you guys spent half the time playing the game as much as you cry about being victimized by it you may actually be able to accomplish things.

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