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Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:51:00 - [481] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Skape Gote Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo. Much like your mother. I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news. Personal attacks? what are you 5?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:54:00 - [482] Originally by: Anille Kole Please note, Goon/Goon-alt, that none of my positions are straw men arguments. [SNIP] BoB is irrelevant, no matter what you may think. Ignore that enormous chunk of space they control, and the even bigger one they influence. /jedimindtrick
Cheval Blanc	Posted - 2007.06.01 10:58:00 - [483] Originally by: Anille Kole Originally by: Cheval Blanc Get off your horse, Anille Kole. As if BoB has never exploited either? As if goons' desires to ruin the game EVE makes the admins and other alliances, who have exploited far more than the goons have in terms of affecting the real 0.0 politics of EVE, makes them angels? Your pulling out more straw men than a farmer in the South would (no pun intended). Please note, Goon/Goon-alt, that none of my positions are straw men arguments. I listed things GoonSwarm is openly known to do, or known to have done. I did not mention BoB. I am not comparing them to BoB in any way. BoB is irrelevant, no matter what you may think. This thread is about GoonSwarm, and GoonSwarm alone. Any other assumption is merely to draw focus away from the issue by sending it all to BoB. I mean, it's not like it's obvious when most of the supporters of GoonSwarm call out BoB for everything any time someone tries to say that they aren't very nice... Sorry, maybe I should make my references more explicit when miming BoB's exact strategy in blaming Goonfleet, as seen during the 'scandal', and how they are trying to 'destroy EVE', which they are open about. Breaking news, Goonfleet has a potty mouth, news at 8. And if you indeed claim you are not putting out straw men, then you are in fact accepting double standards against Goonfleet. They are just as bad as many other corps/alliances in terms of exploitation and poor manners. In fact, I'd argue many are even worse. POS bowling? Hell Goonfleet doesn't even the ships to do such things, the poor ****tards.
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:02:00 - [484] Goons are griefing EVE, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think it is awesome that Goonswarm exists. The gigantic blobs, the griefing, the lolz: EVE just wouldn't be the same without it. In fact, EVE might actually become SERIOUS without Goons around. gasp I know, hard to believe, taking games seriously. Who does such a silly thing? :D I <3 Goons.
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:02:00 - [485] Man at first I thought this was a recruitment drive thread ;p ------------------------------------------------- http://razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50519 Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Cheval Blanc	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:05:00 - [486] you'd think EVE would appreciate some comedic relief. all that would be left would be: macro miners, pirates & pubbies (same thing in most respects), and a bunch of too serious "omgomg petition!!" alliances trying to fight over 0.0 in some eternal pendulum war. oh, and of course t2 BPOs would still be made for certain people, communicated through certain programs. wait, isn't that exactly what we wanted? down with the goons!
Nefera Sen The Senators of The Confederation The Confederation	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:22:00 - [487] I think we should all war dec goons on mass... come one eve, lets show em people power!
Atari Party GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:28:00 - [488] Edited by: Atari Party on 01/06/2007 11:28:16 Originally by: Cheval Blanc Originally by: Atari Party When has Goonfleet ever not been a massive riot of hooligans and maniacs? Why is this news to anybody? Some people are a bit slow. Especially specific subgroups on EVE. Apparently. All of a sudden it's like this big shock. "Oh my word! They... they did what? To whom? My lord, what scoundrels and rapscallions! Shackle the lot of them and pray they seek pennance for their cruel and barbarous misdoings!" Originally by: Microsoft Sam Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Skape Gote Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo. Much like your mother. I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news. Personal attacks? what are you 5? You DO realize calling goons a cancer is an attack too, right? Did the logic bus just magically skip a few stops today?
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:32:00 - [489] Everyones just so angry :(
Atari Party GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:32:00 - [490] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Everyones just so angry :( The internet is SERIOUS BUISNESS

cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:36:00 - [491] Originally by: Atari Party Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Everyones just so angry :( The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS I took the liberty of correcting your spelling error, as such mistakes are a great injustice to the EVE community. You deserve nothing less than a slap on the wrist for such a grave error. I <3 Goons.
Dyfed Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:36:00 - [492] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Everyones just so angry :( Yeah I know. Hey, to cancel out the anger does anyone want a free lawl?
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:38:00 - [493] Originally by: Chequrself Man at first I thought this was a recruitment drive thread ;p Well we do seem to be out one person who wasn't a director but for some reason thought he was if you're interested.
Atari Party GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:38:00 - [494] Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Atari Party Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Everyones just so angry :( The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS I took the liberty of correcting your spelling error, as such mistakes are a great injustice to the EVE community. You deserve nothing less than a slap on the wrist for such a grave error. I <3 Goons. Trap sprung.
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:38:00 - [495] Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . ------------------------------------------------- http://razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50519 Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 11:56:00 - [496] Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:00:00 - [497] Originally by: Anille Kole A) Exploiting, openly and often. B) Spamming, again, openly and often. C) Trolling, often, but behind your alts(or your mains, which can also be seen as alts given what their employment status is and therefore being an unknown), typically in an organized fashion, or just at the mention of BoB, devs, CCP, Goons, donges, or whatever your meme of the hour is. D) Smacking in local, (third time is the charm) openly and often. Smacktalk is like oxygen to GoonSwarm members I've been in local with. E) A fairly obvious and organized attempt(even though there was no public evidence that the GoonSwarm leaders premeditated it, there's plenty of obvious reasons why it was.) to try to make CCP look ebil and mean. Okay my turn again: a) There's only one thing I can think of that you'd be talking about, and I'm not eve sure it's even ongoing, but last I'd heard CCP had no plans to ban anyone for it and months ago they implemented something that made it moot. If you're talking about some sort of "lagsploits" then you're dumb as hell and completely out of touch with reality. b) What? The volume of goon posting is a function of our size, not frequency. If you're talking about the threadnaught thing, that's not "often". If you're talking about fofo, that's one line by each goon and happens approximately once in a blue moon. c) We're being accused of alt trolling by the University of Caille? Thanks for this. Though I'm sure I've seen a few goon CAOD altposts here and there over the last few months that's no different than the rest of the EVE population. There's nothing extraordinary or ban-worthy about this. d) Goons have a still-standing "no local" rule so please screenshot all incidents of this and forward them to Arghy. On fleet ops, I barely ever see anything in local unless Tolon is drunk. Most goons realize how ******** arguing in local sounds and will make fun of any goons who do it. In contrast, I refer you to the "mind-bending torrent of profanity" I've seen from other players in local. I'm fairly sure goons actually smack far less than most pilots. Regardless, none of this is bannable and it's a fairly common point across the EVE community. e) We've already discussed intent at great length at the thread, so I'm just going to say that heavy-handed moderation of our initial inquiries did a far better job of casting CCP in that light than we ever could have. If goons really hated this game they'd quit without a fight. Again, none of this is bannable or even uncommon across the community. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:06:00 - [498] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well. So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue). Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:07:00 - [499] First, to the OP, great post. Personally, I can't wait till the Goons leave EvE. Their entry into this game has been a litany of hijacked threads, premature and immature 1 man corp posts, a constant and disgusting barrage of racism and sexism, with no regard to themselves, the community, or CCP. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Won Swunglow Caldari Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:13:00 - [500] Good read m8 now who wants a hugg --

sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:22:00 - [501] Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well. So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue). I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month. And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember? _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:23:00 - [502] Edited by: Garia666 on 01/06/2007 12:35:47 Edited by: Garia666 on 01/06/2007 12:23:58 I have no good word at all for you.. YOu back stabbed LV back stabbed ADGA and my trust. I will make sure all future corperations / alliance`s will know where u came from and what you did.. My advise is its better for you to stick where you are with the GOONs. Thats where you belong.. ->My Vids<-
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:27:00 - [503] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well. So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue). I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month. And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember? I didn't say it's impossible, I said it's illogical. The goons who really were sick of this game voted with their feet and quit. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango
This Pilot posts for honor	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:28:00 - [504] To all the people thinking the OP is a good post. Why? He takes 10 pages to say he's content to join and leave alliances so he can sit in the same few stations in 0.0 . If he liked LV so much then why didn't he move with them to NPC space before they fell apart? Also, the pages and pages about goons being self-righteous hypocritical racist mean idiotic peoples is only going to be embraced by any goon I know. He's not telling anything new nor insulting any goons. OP is a coward who spends a large amount of time justifying his cowardice.
vildmand	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:28:00 - [505] Edited by: vildmand on 01/06/2007 12:27:58 Edited by: vildmand on 01/06/2007 12:27:47 Really nice post there by the OP. Respect allways nice with a little story during dt. ooh well back to the game.
vildmand	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:30:00 - [506] during dt....
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:32:00 - [507] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well. So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue). I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month. And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember? You seem to confuse most people's frustration with CCP's complete lack of policies, questionable hiring practice and oh yeah t20 owns part of the company no wonder nothing happened with that, disclosure much with actual distaste for EVE. People like EVE. Goons like EVE. At this point I, them and plenty of unrelated parties on the forum don't like CCP. That in hot blood, I, them and others would say that we hope CCP goes down is perhaps an expression of how much we love the game and wish they'd stop screwing with it.
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:38:00 - [508] Long, but good read - thank you. Personaly I think that having DEV's and other CCP staff playing the game is great for both parties. Ok so we all want TomB in our team, but I said it first OK? Only j/k. Btw I saw a BMW X5 with the number plate V8 7OMB the other day... real shame I did not have the gear to take a photo. anyway back to topic, I do strongly belive that CCP need and must be allowed to play the game to be able to fully understand player and game issues only to be found on the main server. I also dont for a moment think that CCP would want to help "BoB" and no one else, as it would also be foolish to think that t20 was a stand alone issue. I do think that CCP now has there house in order and that more comunication between player and GM's/Devs are only to be promoted. The last thing we need is GM's and DEV's hiding behind the "post only" firewall. A small suggestion that may help the petition system would be to have (like in real life) another person (CEO or similar) to have a say when the stakes are very high, loss of captial ships, banning etc. This may help to stop lots of petitions of the same subject. So you want to join us?
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:43:00 - [509] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58 Originally by: Atari Party rapscallions! And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions" Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol: In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats. . Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well. So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue). I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month. And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember? You seem to confuse most people's frustration with CCP's complete lack of policies, questionable hiring practice and oh yeah t20 owns part of the company no wonder nothing happened with that, disclosure much with actual distaste for EVE. People like EVE. Goons like EVE. At this point I, them and plenty of unrelated parties on the forum don't like CCP. That in hot blood, I, them and others would say that we hope CCP goes down is perhaps an expression of how much we love the game and wish they'd stop screwing with it. I agree with your post, I do not like CCP practices either and I think the majority of EVE will agree with us, but you fail to see that the only group that perpetrated the forum spamming attack were the Goons. As much as I disliked BOB for what came up with T20 I did not plot to take the forums down in a coordinated attack. Neither did I made up stuff manipulating info on Sharkbait's petition, RP events rigging or taking for a fact a stupid brag of a BOB member who said they would get the ISD guy banned over the MSN with his DEV friend (when in reality he raised a petition, as was proven later). And I didn't try to discredit CCP on every possible online place spamming thousands of posts based on lies, either Nor did anyone in my Alliance and I believe none in yours or any other. None took place in the forums attack nor the libel campaign outside this site within minutes of difference. People were very vocal here, there were many threads, but manageable, not THOUSANDS of "spontaneous" threads all belonging to the same ingame group. That's what I mean. In no way do I approve CCP lack of proper politics, just as you and the rest of the community probably don't. But i also fail to see how a DoS attack, and massive desacreditation based on lies, from only ONE group, would help the situation. Hell, I fail to see how it could not be on purpose to have thousands of people post in different places in just a few hours. No other group of people ingame other than the GOONS did it. What transpired is obvious. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 12:50:00 - [510] Originally by: sesanti That's what I mean. In no way do I approve CCP lack of proper politics, just as you and the rest of the community probably don't. But i also fail to see how a DoS attack, and massive desacreditation based on lies, from only ONE group, would help the situation. Hell, I fail to see how it could not be on purpose to have thousands of people post in different places in just a few hours. No other group of people ingame other than the GOONS did it. What transpired is obvious. No, it's not obvious just because you say it is, particularly when ele specifically says otherwise. It was an attempt to raise the profile of the issue to the point where CCP had to address it. Whether there was no fire where we saw smoke is largely irrelevant as to intent; at the time things looked bad to us since DS1's initial inquiries about the Sharkbait thing were deleted and buried by CCP without a response. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango



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