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sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:05:00 - [241] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point? Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions? "The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal." That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:06:00 - [242] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57 Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Real question Edit: Might as well be a member of the next Corp in goonswarm: "Man Train Inc. Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.08.24 official website I am the way into the doleful city,I am the way into eternal grief,I am the way to a forsaken race.Abandon all hope, ye who climb aboard, for I am THE MAN TRAIN. Man Train Inc. consists of 8 members"
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:07:00 - [243] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point? Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions? "The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal." That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts. YOU read the OP for the answer to this.
DiuxDium Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:08:00 - [244] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Real question The answer is yes. ------------- Hello America
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:08:00 - [245] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right? (Hint: Its sarcasm.)
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:10:00 - [246] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:09:11 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Real question The answer is yes. If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see.
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:11:00 - [247] Originally by: mynnna Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right? (Hint: Its sarcasm.) Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:12:00 - [248] Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: DarkMatter Do you consider acting like a ** every minute you play other games valid? I enjoy being the biggest ** possible in other games. Shooting my team-mates, flash-banging my team, killing hostages, ninja-looting. Anything for a laugh. I play games for entertainment. As to your question about board games with family, my grandfather would send me to my room if I didn't sell him the properties he wanted in Monopoly. Maybe it's genetic. Games are for engaging in activites that can't be engaged in in real life. We enjoy games because they provide stimuli and opportunities that the day to day grind doesn't.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:13:00 - [249] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:13:27 Originally by: sesanti Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page. Read the OP, who you can believe over the dozens of goonfleeters who have said this same thing: They spammed the forum after CCP tried to censor them by deleting all references to the allegations. Did it work in getting information where normal methods failed? Did it succeed in opening community dialogue? The kind of people who believe this is a bad thing probably also believe that Americans questioning the motivation and planning of the Iraq war were unpatriotic because they 'hurt the troops.'
Tabouli GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:14:00 - [250] Hey wait is it 1) All goons are prejudiced cancers on society and should be outcast and hated by everyone. or is it 2) Prejudice is bad and people shouldn't hate others simply because they belong to a certain social group. snip - please do not use that signature. -Ivan K

Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:14:00 - [251] Originally by: Cringeley Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58 You have to ask yourself where this play style came from. Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2. After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys. So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well. Alright, I'll bite. So why return the favor on noobs? If you've got a beef with the Alliances because they have it coming, give it to them without vaseline or a reacharound. Why hammer on the noobs who are in much the same position you were in once? Doesn't that put you right up there with the idjits you're avenging yourself upon? Just for the record, I'm neither here nor there about the Goons. I've had one encounter with Goonfleet, and while y'all kicked my ass, I did enjoy the fight and got a laugh out of it because y'all used Cormorants to do it (I've got a small place in my heart for'em). This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:14:00 - [252] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: DarkMatter Do you consider acting like a ** every minute you play other games valid? I enjoy being the biggest possible in other games. Shooting my team-mates, flash-banging my team, killing hostages, ninja-looting. Anything for a laugh. I play games for entertainment. As to your question about board games with family, my grandfather would send me to my room if I didn't sell him the properties he wanted in Monopoly. Maybe it's genetic. Games are for engaging in activites that can't be engaged in in real life. We enjoy games because they provide stimuli and opportunities that the day to day grind doesn't. Acting like an ***** ingame within the defined rules of this world is ok (for instance, pirating or even corp thieving which is quite frowned upon). Trying to discredit the company and destroy the game from outside when you are losing is another complete different thing. If you had BOB by the throat you would have never done this stuff. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
DiuxDium Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 - [253] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:09:11 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Real question The answer is yes. If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see. Yes, it does. ------------- Hello America
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 - [254] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: mynnna Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right? (Hint: Its sarcasm.) Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page. Only making one or two threads to get your message out totally works when CCP locks and deletes them within minutes of their opening. The threadnaught is a sad necessity brought on by CCP's inability to understand that customer relations isn't composed entirely of telling your customers to shut up and go away if they have a complaint. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 - [255] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:14:27 Originally by: Tabouli Hey wait is it 1) All goons are prejudiced cancers on society and should be outcast and hated by everyone. or is it 2) Prejudice is bad and people shouldn't hate others simply because they belong to a certain social group. oh god euro-liberal dilemma
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 - [256] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: sesanti Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page. Read the OP, who you can believe over the dozens of goonfleeters who have said this same thing: They spammed the forum after CCP tried to censor them by deleting all references to the allegations. I think the OP is wrong in that point. You see, i do not blindly believe what i am told, I form my own opinion. And what was seen on the forums and outside, I believe, was a real coordinated attack. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Ska La GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:17:00 - [257] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/05/2007 23:13:40 Originally by: Kiko Goatbiter Originally by: Cooter Lik Originally by: Stradiot I wasn't even the target of your rage and my feelings got hurt. Well, he is a pubbie afterall, he's not the cleverest at managing to direct his insults accurately. Calling Dark Shikari a pubbie is an insult to pubbies everywhere. Want irony? I'm a goon. Not in Goonfleet/Goonswarm, and not active any time recently, but I'm a goon. I didn't register there under this name though, so you'll never know who You're probably right. All you subforum Tentacle Warehouse mouth-breathing hentai anime Japanese fetishists all post the same. We'll never know which one you are... or care. What is Goon? I want to know what Goon is...I want Goon to show me.
eleuthereus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 - [258] Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57 Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Kind of odd, this ongoing fixation on me considering myself a Goonswarm Director. Almost as if that is really the only thing that can possibly be criticized -- if twisted properly. For the record, I used the term "Goon Director" to simply mean I am a director (of whatever kind) in Goonswarm. A fairly simply concept. As a Recruitment director, I was given acccess to corp wallet, all BPOs, and gave input regarding the direction of corp (such as where I thought we needed to re-locate to). Would it help to say I had been an FC at least one time? Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again. So, okay, fair enough? Satisfied. And no, I did not on a daily basis run Goonswarm or help run Goonswarm. My directorship was limited to corp responsibilities.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 - [259] Originally by: sesanti Acting like an ******* ingame within the defined rules of this world is ok (for instance, pirating or even corp thieving which is quite frowned upon). Trying to discredit the company and destroy the game from outside when you are losing is another complete different thing. If you had BOB by the throat you would have never done this stuff. I submit that they would have, because they want the game to prosper, instead of continuing at an uneven, unfair status quo. Where's your proof? I don't have any. This is all unfounded opinion based on previous bias. I'm going to trust me, because I can type better than you and I don't blindly trust authority.
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 - [260] Originally by: Sir Lolle Originally by: sesanti Originally by: mynnna Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right? (Hint: Its sarcasm.) Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page. Only making one or two threads to get your message out totally works when CCP locks and deletes them within minutes of their opening. The threadnaught is a sad necessity brought on by CCP's inability to understand that customer relations isn't composed entirely of telling your customers to shut up and go away if they have a complaint. Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post. And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity. /sarcasm off _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>

FatKao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:19:00 - [261] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point? Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions? "The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal." That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts. What purpose would bringing down the forums serve us? Without the forums people can't read the message, if people don't read the message then the chance of a coverup is still possible. That said there is no grand Goons vs CCP conspiracy. Friday night on a 3 day weekend was just when the **** hit the fan on our forums about DS1 and we decided to go post about it. Actually there were posts in our director section about waiting until Monday or Tuesday for better exposure but we decided to go with it because we have pretty short attention sp..hey lets go ride bikes. In general we love EVE, it has the best PVP hands down of any game on the market. The industrial side is something to behold as well, from production to moon mining to trading the market there is so much to do vs the rigid put tab A into slot A "industry" you get on most MMO games.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:19:00 - [262] Originally by: eleuthereus Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57 Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Kind of odd, this ongoing fixation on me considering myself a Goonswarm Director. Almost as if that is really the only thing that can possibly be criticized -- if twisted properly. For the record, I used the term "Goon Director" to simply mean I am a director (of whatever kind) in Goonswarm. A fairly simply concept. As a Recruitment director, I was given acccess to corp wallet, all BPOs, and gave input regarding the direction of corp (such as where I thought we needed to re-locate to). Would it help to say I had been an FC at least one time? Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again. So, okay, fair enough? Satisfied. And no, I did not on a daily basis run Goonswarm or help run Goonswarm. My directorship was limited to corp responsibilities. I'm not a goonfleeter; I have no interest in discrediting you. The unclear nature of your post was self-aggrandizing and suspect, especially given your extreme verbosity in every other tiny detail. Thanks for the clarification.
Terket Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:21:00 - [263] Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:21:00 - [264] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:20:58 Originally by: sesanti Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post. And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity. /sarcasm off If you had the capacity and you saw a serious issue of corruption that you couldn't get into the public eye any other way, that would be within your rights. PS- I still value your opinions less because you don't know how to use English properly.
eleuthereus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 - [265] Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 03:28:07 Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 03:27:01 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see. Well, goodness, if that's all that's bugging you, then I'll go in and make sure, right up front that it says I am the director for Ultrapolite Socialites. On my way now to make the post perfectly acceptable to you. Thnaks for the heads-up. I'm always open to constructive criticism.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 - [266] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27 Originally by: Terket Honestly guys, what did you all expect? How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you? It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 - [267] Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 03:25:06 Originally by: sesanti Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post. And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity. /sarcasm off Obviously we organized 1000s of people to post and we're liable for getting sued out of millions. Why don't you cancel your accounts because you're cause lag in eve and its disrupting my gameplay Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27 Originally by: Terket Honestly guys, what did you all expect? How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you? It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now. Quite well now because all I could do was post about Eve on SA but they banned me.
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:25:00 - [268] snip please remain on-topic - Karass Sayfo _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:25:00 - [269] Originally by: eleuthereus Originally by: Elmo Noguchi If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see. Well, goodness, if that's all that's bugging you, then I'll go in and make sure, right up front that it says I am the director for Ultrapolite Socialites. On my way now to make the post perfectly acceptable to you. Thnaks for the heads-up. I'm always open to constructive criticism. Thanks
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:26:00 - [270] snip stay on topic - Karass Sayfo



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