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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Snowden Vel on 31/05/2007 23:21:59 Okay, here goes: - we took him in when he came from a hostile alliance - goons helped him access his assets that were trapped various former LV stations - LOVEU made him a director - Goons made and gave him his own bee on the forums. I can count all the goons with their own bee on one hand. It's a pretty big gesture.
It's pretty clear we didn't make him our veldspar slave or push him around.
And it looks truthful to you because you've already bought into his extremely slanted argument, which vastly oversimplifies the ethic and motivation of the average goon. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
[152]
I like goons. They are friendly kittens ^_^
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Golden Dove
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Golden Dove on 31/05/2007 23:21:37
Originally by: PKlavins
Originally by: Cringeley Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58 You have to ask yourself where this play style came from.
Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2.
After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys.
So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well.
Go them. Why? Because you chose to use probably the most despised legit combat tactic in the game: blobbing. Not even blobbing with skill (back then), unlike others. So yea. Blobbing = bad, and since that makes up 100% of your combat, you = bad. Combine that with your personalities and IQ's, and you get so much worse than 'bad'.
hell ya /signed
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:23:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 31/05/2007 23:21:46 nice story... if i didn't tlike iron that much i would havep prob been a goon myself
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Sicks Stringed
Intentional Negligence
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:23:00 -
[155]
For those of you that want a spam-free, always unlocked, easy to read version of his story, check out EVE-Blogger in my signature. You can comment there about it. Admin of EVE-Blogger.com "Your number one source for EVE blogs!"
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:23:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/06/2007 00:48:03 /removed
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr Rens 911
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:25:00 -
[157]
Originally by: nickycakes @op: weren't you the ****** in LV that made a whine thread about someone selling medium cap batteries for 100k isk each?
not gonna defend goons, but lets just say i'm not surprised to see a cry thread of this magnitude coming from you...
pretty much. he was probably the best treated pubbie in GS history. and maybe like two or three people have their own bee. he even got free carrier jumps to move his stuff out when he joined.
all for a ******** dramabomb. and he didn't even steal LOVEU's BPOs. if he had done that i at least could see he was competent at eve.
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Plexreticle
Ero Guro
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:26:00 -
[158]
Uncool quoting players in a negative context.
Even if it's true,I doubt it was stated with the intent of it being published in the forums.
*snip* Please do not use such profanity -Eldo ([email protected]) Goons have gone from zero to major player in the Eve universe almost over night.
I suggest the OP is a spy by the way he just fronted out GoonSwarm in the forums.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:26:00 -
[159]
Fairly undignified exit if you ask me. I realize what you say about RL issues you have and not wanting to deal with a*holes in game, too, but there is also a certain sense of levity that you obviously LACK when playing A GAME. Obviously, you have very disconnected relationships with REAL PEOPLE that you hold these NOT REAL relationships with people IN A GAME so seriously.
Anyway, before I go off, and I dont wish to bump this thread as its just the ramblings of a freaking maniac, nice way to bow out. You could have just left and identified it for what it is. You didnt fit in. But no, you had to be a commie/fascist (hows that for a paradox, hmmm?) and flame.
See you around, Eleuthereus.....
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: PKlavins
Originally by: Cringeley Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58 You have to ask yourself where this play style came from.
Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2.
After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys.
So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well.
Go them. Why? Because you chose to use probably the most despised legit combat tactic in the game: blobbing. Not even blobbing with skill (back then), unlike others. So yea. Blobbing = bad, and since that makes up 100% of your combat, you = bad. Combine that with your personalities and IQ's, and you get so much worse than 'bad'.
I agree, Newbies should be forced to stay in empire until they have 15million SP
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
The funny part is you think this is a threadnaught rather than goons being goons. Edit: Seriously did you even read the OP, we're worse than this to our own.
Yeah I read the OP, check out CAOD... I got to this thread on the first page... by the time I hit post reply it was 6 pages long and locked for editing... so yes its a threadnaught and not just gooners being w4nkers (sorry themselves..)
You do realize we are the largest corp in eve, right? This is not a threadnaught, this isn't even close the volume of posting that goes on in our internal forums.
Pretty good post, apart for all the self serving moral posturing and the inaccurate stuff about Goons scamming allies. I don't expect anyone here to believe this, but we actually love our allies and scamming them gets you kicked out so fast your head will spin. Yes, even on alts.
Shame you never really fit in, Eleuthereus, but I'm not going to argue that GS is for everyone.
I guess this will teach us not to show pubbies mercy or something. Lesson learned.
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rycar
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I'm a goon.
Not in Goonfleet/Goonswarm, and not active any time recently, but I'm a goon.
I didn't register there under this name though, so you'll never know who
Give us a hint
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Krazy Kraker
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:30:00 -
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1)He definately hit our mentality on the head.
2)We do want to ruin eve for everyone else, because our fun is the only thing that matters to us. Yes we are selfish and everything else. Think of it this way, if we werent here you would be bored to tear because most of the crap that is talked about wouldnt be around for you to read or write about. God, EVE would suck.
3)Last time I read the Forums, it was BOB saying we were dead and there were no more GOONS. HMMMmmmmm. Good job guys. Way to break our Industrial backbone.
OP - should have just said we were f**s and saved everyone that actually read that post a couple of hours of their lives. |
eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: eleuthereus And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
Probably because for those of us with firsthand knowledge of how well you were treated you come off like a passive-aggressive weasel. I see the text but what I'm reading is "hey guys I know you did a lot to show me mercy and help me out and even gave me my own bee but we have some fundamental disagreements so instead of just leaving with dignity I'm going to write a short novel about them and cherry-pick a few people's quotes to attack you on the forums so hopefully I can score some pubbie street cred to get recruited elsewhere."
How well you treated me?
Well, you let me into GS. TY. It's not like you gave me all kinds of free ships, fronted me millions of ISk, or taught me the ropes of 0.0. Give it a rest. I was a seasoned 0.0 pilot with lots of battles, kills, loses, ships, and ISk in my pocket when I joined. I appreciated you letting me in, as I have always said. But our styles of play crossed. Hence, my extrication of self from said allaince -- leaving behind me some extremely valuable assets to LOVEU and GS. So, really, it was how well I treated you. I call that leaving with dignity -- fulfilling the promises to my CEO not to steal or spy.
And as for the Bee symbol, I paid for that just like others. And I also paid for my forum sig. Finally, I need no "street cred," as you put it, to get some kind of invitation to another alliance. I explained exactly why I wrote the multi-post. And clearly, I have only documented what Goons themselevs have said. I made nothing up. You can read the quotes yourself. I didn't make them up. best to ya.
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Scouty McPiperunner
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Ahahahahaha!
Yeah, Goons were wide-eyed innocents coming into EVE, looking around in wonder and awe for friendship and understanding before ebil BoB smacked you down and FORCED you to become a bunch of useless ****s.
Right.
Nobody is saying that goons are wide-eyed innocents. He is saying that most of you are no better than goons in the morals department. You roll your eyes at their tongue in cheek racism, only to gleefully make completely bigoted terms like "logoffski" part of the Eve pubbie vernacular. |
Dop Sutol
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: AegriSomnia Fairly undignified exit if you ask me. I realize what you say about RL issues you have and not wanting to deal with a*holes in game, too, but there is also a certain sense of levity that you obviously LACK when playing A GAME. Obviously, you have very disconnected relationships with REAL PEOPLE that you hold these NOT REAL relationships with people IN A GAME so seriously.
Anyway, before I go off, and I dont wish to bump this thread as its just the ramblings of a freaking maniac, nice way to bow out. You could have just left and identified it for what it is. You didnt fit in. But no, you had to be a commie/fascist (hows that for a paradox, hmmm?) and flame.
See you around, Eleuthereus.....
Talk about hypocrisy "Leave quitly, don't stir up a mess" from the Goons?
I'll call BS to Dev Fanbois when they say it and I'll call BS to players when they say it.
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:17:00 -
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What amazes me most is that he never clued into what makes goons who they are in the game.
For insight into goon psychology, feel free to visit the well-known forum whose humor is based on ironic meta-mockery. I don't expect everyone to "get it", but then, not everyone can be a goon.
From day 1 as a smallish swarm of t1 frigates we have been called a "cancer" and accused of everything up to and including destroying the universe IRL (omg teh goonies r so evil!). We make fun of that by pretending to be what people think we are. IN A GAME. ON THE INTERNET.
We are not actually out to destroy eve. We are not actually out to destroy CCP. We love this game and we want to see it grow and prosper, but there are serious problems that need to be addressed with it that eventually really will destroy EvE if something is not done soon. Whether you agree with the way we decided (or were forced to,) address those problems, we know our intentions were good. Feel free to not believe me, but it's the honest truth.
Yes, goons play evil monstrous bastards in an internet spaceship game. No one (particularly goons) is going to argue against that. Anyone who takes it too seriously needs to unglue themselves from the keyboard go outside for a while to absorb some sunlight.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:28:00 -
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Thread scrubbed. Stop trolling and derailing the thread to get it locked, or your posting privileges will be short lived. ___
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 01:00:19 Post accidentally doubled after scrubbing.
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:50:00 -
[170]
Stop spamming the thread Eleuthereus. Honestly, you are your own worst enemy.
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 01:05:49 Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 01:01:43
Originally by: nickycakes @op: weren't you the ****** in LV that made a whine thread about someone selling medium cap batteries for 100k isk each? not gonna defend goons, but lets just say i'm not surprised to see a cry thread of this magnitude coming from you...
No, actually, I was criticizing a single LV guy for bloating prices in LV space during wartime when med caps were cruicial for ospreys trying to rep. It was standard ASCN practice to not pull that kind of market stuff during war.
Originally by: nickycakes pretty much. he was probably the best treated pubbie in GS history. and maybe like two or three people have their own bee. he even got free carrier jumps to move his stuff out when he joined.
Uhm, as I said. I paid for that bee like everyone who has an avatar in GS. And as for a free carrier jump of my stuff out of GS space -- ROFL. Wrong. Don't post about what you know nothing of. When I joined GS -- read mu OP -- I already had all my stuff in LV space, which you took over. All my stuff was already there. Moreover, when I had all my stuff jumped out over the last week or so, I offered to pay THAT carrier pilot, and I DID pay that carrier pilot. Go ask him. Do you even know who he was?
And I think if I would have stolen ANYTHING from LOVEU, you and the others would have reacted with firey indignation -- the same way you all reacted to that other pilot, who before he left a month or so ago did INDEED steal BPOs from a corp. You guys went ballistic.
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Psilocin
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: eleuthereus And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
Probably because for those of us with firsthand knowledge of how well you were treated you come off like a passive-aggressive weasel. I see the text but what I'm reading is "hey guys I know you did a lot to show me mercy and help me out and even gave me my own bee but we have some fundamental disagreements so instead of just leaving with dignity I'm going to write a short novel about them and cherry-pick a few people's quotes to attack you on the forums so hopefully I can score some pubbie street cred to get recruited elsewhere."
How well you treated me?
Well, you let me into GS. TY. It's not like you gave me all kinds of free ships, fronted me millions of ISk, or taught me the ropes of 0.0. Give it a rest. I was a seasoned 0.0 pilot with lots of battles, kills, loses, ships, and ISk in my pocket when I joined. I appreciated you letting me in, as I have always said. But our styles of play crossed. Hence, my extrication of self from said allaince -- leaving behind me some extremely valuable assets to LOVEU and GS. So, really, it was how well I treated you. I call that leaving with dignity -- fulfilling the promises to my CEO not to steal or spy.
And as for the Bee symbol, I paid for that just like others. And I also paid for my forum sig. Finally, I need no "street cred," as you put it, to get some kind of invitation to another alliance. I explained exactly why I wrote the multi-post. And clearly, I have only documented what Goons themselves have said. I made nothing up. You can read the quotes yourself. I didn't make them up. best to ya.
You really think highly of yourself, don't you? But it's cool, if you ever come by where I live I'll buy you a glass of milk ^_^
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 00:59:27
Quote: We are not actually out to destroy eve. We are not actually out to destroy CCP. We love this game and we want to see it grow and prosper, but there are serious problems that need to be addressed with it that eventually really will destroy EvE if something is not done soon.
Don't you realize that the main problem with this game is players like you?
CCP is quite generous to allow a band of disruptive players like yourselves to continue to exist in this game, I'd be thanking them for not banning your asses like most other game companies would if I were you...
Building the homestead
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unsmith
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: unsmith on 01/06/2007 00:55:54
Originally by: DarkMatter
CCP is quite generous to allow a band of disruptive players like yourselves to continue to exist in this game, I'd be thanking them for not banning your asses like most other gane companies would if I were you...
Quoting this because DAMN SON
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Psilocin
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: eleuthereus And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
Probably because for those of us with firsthand knowledge of how well you were treated you come off like a passive-aggressive weasel. I see the text but what I'm reading is "hey guys I know you did a lot to show me mercy and help me out and even gave me my own bee but we have some fundamental disagreements so instead of just leaving with dignity I'm going to write a short novel about them and cherry-pick a few people's quotes to attack you on the forums so hopefully I can score some pubbie street cred to get recruited elsewhere."
How well you treated me?
Well, you let me into GS. TY. It's not like you gave me all kinds of free ships, fronted me millions of ISk, or taught me the ropes of 0.0. Give it a rest. I was a seasoned 0.0 pilot with lots of battles, kills, loses, ships, and ISk in my pocket when I joined. I appreciated you letting me in, as I have always said. But our styles of play crossed. Hence, my extrication of self from said allaince -- leaving behind me some extremely valuable assets to LOVEU and GS. So, really, it was how well I treated you. I call that leaving with dignity -- fulfilling the promises to my CEO not to steal or spy.
And as for the Bee symbol, I paid for that just like others. And I also paid for my forum sig. Finally, I need no "street cred," as you put it, to get some kind of invitation to another alliance. I explained exactly why I wrote the multi-post. And clearly, I have only documented what Goons themselves have said. I made nothing up. You can read the quotes yourself. I didn't make them up. best to ya.
You really think highly of yourself, don't you? But it's cool, if you ever come by where I live I'll buy you a glass of milk ^_^
Well he DID write a huge thread about his detailed history that people are only caring about because it's about dem evil goonies
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel Edited by: Snowden Vel on 31/05/2007 23:21:59 Okay, here goes: - we took him in when he came from a hostile alliance
true
Originally by: Snowden Vel - goons helped him access his assets that were trapped various former LV stations
untrue. I possessed/moved my own stuff.
Originally by: Snowden Vel - LOVEU made him a director
true
Originally by: Snowden Vel - Goons made and gave him his own bee on the forums. I can count all the goons with their own bee on one hand. It's a pretty big gesture.
true. And paid for it, like the otehrs. But it was a nice gesture to give me a unique bee.
Originally by: Snowden Vel It's pretty clear we didn't make him our veldspar slave or push him around.
true
Originally by: Snowden Vel And it looks truthful to you because you've already bought into his extremely slanted argument, which vastly oversimplifies the ethic and motivation of the average goon.
I tried to be anything but simplistic.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 01/06/2007 01:09:05 @op excellent post 10/10 very nice read ty
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:02:00 -
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The butt-hurt goons ITT make it all worth while baby. Seriously, you guys are whining because a guy you bestowed the holy bee upon thinks you're idiots.
How is that not the height of comedy? ------------- Hello America |
Calderio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:15:00 -
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i havent read any of the replys and thats probally a good thing, but this guy talked about alot of interesting things in how different allainces work and his personal viewpoints on the game.
i give it a 9/10 for it being a good and interesting read, also i covered this thread on bob radio.
listen to me on bob radio, heavy metal, random babbling, and live forum coverage. |
Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:16:00 -
[180]
Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 00:59:27
Quote: We are not actually out to destroy eve. We are not actually out to destroy CCP. We love this game and we want to see it grow and prosper, but there are serious problems that need to be addressed with it that eventually really will destroy EvE if something is not done soon.
Don't you realize that the main problem with this game is players like you?
CCP is quite generous to allow a band of disruptive players like yourselves to continue to exist in this game, I'd be thanking them for not banning your asses like most other game companies would if I were you...
Please explain at greater length why goons should be banned for behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players, goon and non-goon alike. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
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