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Ubel Feuer
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:56:00 -
[571]
Very well written. You make your points in a concise manner and your statements are refreshingly unbiased.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:59:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Rekindle Edited by: Rekindle on 01/06/2007 17:55:36 Edited by: Rekindle on 01/06/2007 17:54:33 With all due respect, the people in Goonswarm responsible for the recent allegations and the social elements that cause people to tell such tales makes the alliance sound like a big ***** scab on the face of Eve online.
Your alliance has offered nothing constructive to the community in all of this in the last while. Any group that supports racial slurs and supports the type of grief play your organization apparantly supports, reflects poorly on the social character of hte people behind the characters - which is not fictious.
I find the type of social atmopshere depicted by this former GS member to be a poor reflection of the human condition in general.
Goons have alot of growing up to do Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm |
Delors
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:00:00 -
[573]
It's pretty sad that instead of doing something with your life you spent all this time writing a massive ****post in hopes that someone would sponsor you into EVOL or RKK. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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ElCholo
Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:01:00 -
[574]
only my opinion but Goons could have attempted to go the IA route first before threadnaught, but thats in the past and cant be changed.
other than that .. Goons will be Goons .. you either are one or are not. get them or do not.
And no - I don't think Goons are out to destroy the game. Just bring their brand of humor and play style to non Goons everywhere.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:01:00 -
[575]
Originally by: eleuthereus Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:19:50 Goons are a bunch of uncouth, savage, crass, foul-mouthed, vulgar, immature, racist-epithet-uttering ogres
You forgot cross-dressing, intellectually devoid, slobbering, stinky, pis-drunk homosexuals
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Elenath
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:03:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Snowden Vel We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
This is the sort of idiotic, short-sighted and pitiful way that children view the world. Guess what? Most every single player in this game that is part of an alliance living in 0.0 is treated the exact same way. And guess what? They don't lash out at EVERYONE in return. They pick their targets of revenge instead of griefing everyone.
While the Goons may wear the titles of 'childish' and 'malacious' with honor... there is one very fitting adjective for you all that no one can wear with honor - 'stupid'.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:04:00 -
[577]
Originally by: sesanti You spitted everything out on the forums when maybe you should have submitted to CCP all the stuff thru other more proper channels. And then, if they had swept everything under the rug, take it to the forums. But of course, you wouldn't do that. Let's not forget that these accussations you made were a bunch of lies to begin with, whose only purpose was to begin a witchunt by manipulating and purposefully lying to the ENTIRE community and even people outside this game. What for? To discredit BOB, their allies, the entire game and even CCP. So if you had taken them silently to CCP they way it should have been done, CCP could have retrieved the evidence, showed it to you, and then you wouldn't have been able to post all this on the forums and generate the repercussions you have made.
And also I do not think the 4000 thousands Goons that play EVE were actually those who did this. Probably the leadership who planned all this stuff must have given orders to their most "trusted" pals, and in turn these to some others, adding up to 500/700 people with a couple of ALTS each to generate the desired effect. That's why many Goons will deny everything. Because they probably don't know what was indeed ochestrated, and do not believe their leadership capable of this ****. So they will charge forward blindly reassuring everyone that there was not plot. In turn, turning against CCP for what they believe it is an "injustice" and more favoritism towards BOB. Man, I am not dumb, I have met A LOT of manipulative people during my all my life, and to be honest this STINKS bad. And whoever orchestrated this is so naive as to believe nobody would even notice and things would flow naturally... PFFFTTTT
This post is completely false starting with the very first sentence. You're arguing that ele, who has spilled his guts to create a huge anti-goon manifesto and leaked a ton of internal information, has arbitrarily decided to lie about one thing and that the actual truth of the matter lies in a vast, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy that you somehow have divined the entire shape of by yourself with absolutely zero firsthand experience.
You are dumber than a bag full of stupid. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
ElCholo
Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:05:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Delors It's pretty sad that instead of doing something with your life you spent all this time writing a massive ****post in hopes that someone would sponsor you into EVOL or RKK.
Seemed more like he was suckin up to BNC to me.
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:05:00 -
[579]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 18:09:05
Originally by: AegriSomnia I just thought the 14-post yellow journalism was excessive.
yellow journalism is defined by wiki as "scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism or other unethical or unprofessional practices"
If anything my OP is the very contradiction of all of these things. I did my best to quash scandals (including my exoneration of GS of implications by CCp that the GS had deliberately tried to use the threadnaught to harm Eve-O forums). Ther eis nothing sensational in the OP, no jingoism, and hardly unethical/unprofessional tactics since I directly quoted what has been public knowledge, but simply not coalesced in such a form.
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:07:00 -
[580]
Originally by: AegriSomnia Again with the snippets, Dude. You gotta stop this. Its undignified. Just admit you wrote a hit piece and move on. Hey, there are these great things outside called "Girls". You should go find one!
lol. yeah, got one. been married to her for quite some time now, too. One is enough.
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Delors
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:12:00 -
[581]
Edited by: Delors on 01/06/2007 18:11:01
Originally by: eleuthereus Ther eis nothing sensational in the OP
yeah except for the GOON DIRECTOR RESIGNS headline when you weren't even a director of goonfleet and so had no actual knowledge of or contribution to alliance policymaking at all
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no jingoism
except for a 20+ post hack job against GS and pushing for BoB to win I guess
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and hardly unethical/unprofessional tactics
yeah quitting a corp and airing all your dirty laundry on eve-o complete with private forum posts isnt unprofessional at all
hey so has digitalcommunist come through with that recruitment offer yet Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:13:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Elenath
Originally by: Snowden Vel We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
This is the sort of idiotic, short-sighted and pitiful way that children view the world. Guess what? Most every single player in this game that is part of an alliance living in 0.0 is treated the exact same way. And guess what? They don't lash out at EVERYONE in return. They pick their targets of revenge instead of griefing everyone.
While the Goons may wear the titles of 'childish' and 'malacious' with honor... there is one very fitting adjective for you all that no one can wear with honor - 'stupid'.
I'm not just talking about getting blown up, I'm talking about persistent allegations of "lagsploits", complaints about blobbing, the whole nine yards of anti-goon rhetoric that came into being without any real substance to it and long before we were trying to play hardball with alliance warfare. After that kind of ridiculous bitterness, why should we want to play nice? Sure, it's arbitrary, but my point is that it's a reaction. Like I said, we're not without purpose. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
Rekindle
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:15:00 -
[583]
anti-goon rhetoric
Do you want a glass of milk and a couple cookies? What_do_you_expect to happen?
What is your expectation under present circumstances? -------------------------------------------
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Elenath
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:15:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Somebody mentioned it earlier, but the other problem is you have absolutely zero knowledge of the history of goons in EVE. We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
I would also like to add two comments to this quote... in addition to my previous post.
A. Even *IF* you all are actual victims who are specifically targeted for griefing... who could blame anyone for doing so? You all have ADMITTEDLY moved from game to game to be nothing but malacious and inconsiderate. You all have made a reputation for yourselves... and now you all cry for being treated the same way you all have treated others! Amazing!
B. You all claim to just play the game for fun and to not care. Then stop caring and play the game for fun. As it stands now you all seem terribly interested in more than just playing and having fun.
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Neoromi
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:17:00 -
[585]
Why dont you goonies go post some on the SA forums? Oh thats right, they hate you just as much as the EVE community my bad.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:17:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Elenath B. You all claim to just play the game for fun and to not care. Then stop caring and play the game for fun. As it stands now you all seem terribly interested in more than just playing and having fun.
Revenge is fun. Grinding apart the old Southern Coalition bit by bit was one of the most deeply satisfying accomplishments I've experienced in any game, ever.
But you have a point, and I think that's the issue the Hammertown administration will bring back to the fore. Goons need to chillax again. Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
Rekindle
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:18:00 -
[587]
I wish GS could be deleted from existience personally. They represent exactly what is bad about MMORPG game play. Somewhere along the line we thought it a social requirement to foster a community that encourages negative social behaviour.
I maintain people can still play bad guys without having to embrace the worst of human behaviour. From what i've seen the leadership of GS is part of a social problem not part of any solution.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:18:00 -
[588]
Man, you sound like you should be an AGONY pilot.
Best of luck to ya.
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:22:00 -
[589]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 18:24:07
Originally by: ElCholo Seemed more like he was suckin up to BNC to me.
hello ElCholo,
Actually, I've not sucked up to anyone, including BNC. My comments regarding BNC have been based on posts I have read by BNC guys, and a short convo I had with Blacklight as I was leaving ASCN. I convo'd him to ask very plainly, why they attacked ASCN. I wanted to know this since my alliance was dying. He gave me a very straight-up answer, was polite, mature, and what I perceived as being honest. So, I believe in giving credit where credit is do -- to enemies and friends alike. Here, I'll compliment Goons -- What they accomplished in 0.0 such a short short amount of time was nothing short of incredible -- and I will always respect them and be in awe of that. There. As I said, I try to be fair. Truth is truth.
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Delors
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:26:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Rekindle
I maintain people can still play bad guys without having to embrace the worst of human behaviour. From what i've seen the leadership of GS is part of a social problem not part of any solution.
imo ccp should try to get an ASBO on em!!!!!!! Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:29:00 -
[591]
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 18:35:19
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia I just thought the 14-post yellow journalism was excessive.
yeallow journalism is defined by wiki as "scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism or other unethical or unprofessional practices"
If anything my OP is the very contradiction of all of these things. I did my best to quash scandals (including my exoneration of GS of implications by CCp that teh GS had deliberately tried to use the threadnaught to harm Eve-O forums). Ther eis nothing sensational in the OP, no jingoism, and hardly unethical/unprofessional tactics since I directly quoted what has been public knowledge, but simply not coalesced in such a form.
I mean, whatever. I just dont see it that way. I dont read the GS forums and recoil in horror at the rhetoric, as you do. And thats fine, "To Each His Own", thats what I always say. But, your defense of yourself is paper thin. You wrote the longest single post in EVE-O history with the sole intention of driving the final spear into GS side, eh Longinus? And by the response from the masses, well done. Your token comment about GS/CCP whatever doesn't exonerate you from the 1000+ other words designed to kill the last bastion of resistance against the empire that is BoB.
If people cared, they could check into the facts and not believe your bologna. And your definition of yellow journalism fits what you wrote perfectly, despite the martydom you think you achieved.
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:36:00 -
[592]
Originally by: AegriSomnia You wrote the longest single post in EVE-O history with the sole intention of driving the final spear into GS side, eh Cassius?
If an alliance of 4,000 can be brought down by a single post, it wasn't much of an alliance. Fact is, if GS dies, then it is Goonswarm's fault for making themselves, as was stated in this week's State of Goonion speech a "pariah" in Eve. I didn't do that with my post. Goons did that to themselves.
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sesanti
Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:38:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti You spitted everything out on the forums when maybe you should have submitted to CCP all the stuff thru other more proper channels. And then, if they had swept everything under the rug, take it to the forums. But of course, you wouldn't do that. Let's not forget that these accussations you made were a bunch of lies to begin with, whose only purpose was to begin a witchunt by manipulating and purposefully lying to the ENTIRE community and even people outside this game. What for? To discredit BOB, their allies, the entire game and even CCP. So if you had taken them silently to CCP they way it should have been done, CCP could have retrieved the evidence, showed it to you, and then you wouldn't have been able to post all this on the forums and generate the repercussions you have made.
And also I do not think the 4000 thousands Goons that play EVE were actually those who did this. Probably the leadership who planned all this stuff must have given orders to their most "trusted" pals, and in turn these to some others, adding up to 500/700 people with a couple of ALTS each to generate the desired effect. That's why many Goons will deny everything. Because they probably don't know what was indeed ochestrated, and do not believe their leadership capable of this ****. So they will charge forward blindly reassuring everyone that there was not plot. In turn, turning against CCP for what they believe it is an "injustice" and more favoritism towards BOB. Man, I am not dumb, I have met A LOT of manipulative people during my all my life, and to be honest this STINKS bad. And whoever orchestrated this is so naive as to believe nobody would even notice and things would flow naturally... PFFFTTTT
This post is completely false starting with the very first sentence. You're arguing that ele, who has spilled his guts to create a huge anti-goon manifesto and leaked a ton of internal information, has arbitrarily decided to lie about one thing and that the actual truth of the matter lies in a vast, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy that you somehow have divined the entire shape of by yourself with absolutely zero firsthand experience.
You are dumber than a bag full of stupid.
If you had taken time to read what i wrote and my previous posts, you would remember ME saying that I do not believe blindly on what the OP said but that i rather draw my own conclusions on what I see. I am gonna make it clear again, for it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension:
- While Ele did not believe that there was someone behind the attacks, i BELIEVE HIM WRONG in this assumption and my reasons are the ones i mentioned on the post you have just QUOTED.
So READ AND UNDERSTAND what I say before insulting, and read my previous posts to understand it all if you MUST. Another thing, I would appreciate it if you refrained from foulmouthing in your future references to me, mmmkay?
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:43:00 -
[594]
Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
I am not religious, I just play one on TV
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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eleuthereus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:46:00 -
[595]
Originally by: AegriSomnia Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
Very, very interesting analogy, since Jesus was already dead when Longinus thrust that spear into his side. Are you then saying that you believe Goonswarm is already dead??? Because that is the only thing your analogy points to. In that case, you may be right. Interesting analogy. Seemingly very appropriate.
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:50:00 -
[596]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
Very, very interesting analogy, since Jesus was already dead when Longinus thrust that spear into his side. Are you then saying that you believe Goonswarm is already dead??? Because that is the only thing your analogy points to. In that case, you may be right. Interesting analogy. Seemingly very appropriate.
LOL nice burn! ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer
I like that.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:56:00 -
[597]
To the OP: I actually read all of your posts, didnt read any replies cause i dont really care THAT much. But yeh, good posts. I think its good to let people see what GS is really like because infact...you were right, some people just fit..others dont. Your views where definately entertaining..good luck with the missions. As for the whole GS pulling back into scalding pass to make..what was it that was said on the SOTG..ah right "Fortress Region", glad to see I aint the only one who sees that as a mistake. Hm.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:07:00 -
[598]
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 19:07:15
Originally by: Sir Drake
LOL nice burn!
And thus we get the parakeets opinion. Coward.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
Very, very interesting analogy, since Jesus was already dead when Longinus thrust that spear into his side. Are you then saying that you believe Goonswarm is already dead??? Because that is the only thing your analogy points to. In that case, you may be right. Interesting analogy. Seemingly very appropriate.
Well, it really depends on what you believe. Many historians believe he may NOT have been dead at that point, but again, you twist things to match your own dogma.
Its not the only thing that my analogy points to. My analogy was meant to point out the attempt by you to drive the final blow into GS side, as Longinus did to Jesus.
Just admit you wrote a hit piece and be done with it.
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Mud Pandemonium
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:07:00 -
[599]
Hrm, this is all very interesting and worth of some processing time in the ol' coconut. It's hard to discern what is truth and what is fiction these days.
First and foremost your posts leave a bad taste in my mouth to be quite honest. Whilst you applaud your old Alliance connections you seem to be carrying quite the heavy grudge against Goonswarm after they took you in from the storm, clothed you, fed you and made sure you had a place within their ranks.
Regarding the Goon rhetoric, why do you make this out to seem so bad? Yes, I'm fully aware that you, yourself don't see eye to eye with the day to day goings on, the manner in which goons conduct themselves, etc. In the end, is it so bad? That is who they are, on the internet. It's refreshing to know that their existence is utterly chaotic, that they're a living, breathing, soul consuming creature. I'm glad they're not like the larger alliances before them. I'm glad that they're an actual swarm, it's new, it's awesome.
Look at their accomplishments, why judge them so unfairly? They're a marching, teeming mass of insanity with seemingly no goals at any given time. However once the swarm switches over to their awe-inspiring form of groupthink you can truly sit back in utter amazement at what they're capable of doing.
It's like watching an anthill, the ants scurrying about, looking bereft of purpose, a chaotic ballet if you will. However when a threat appears upon the horizon they become stalwart in their objectives. They move with an undeniably sadistic rhythm, powerful, chaotic, but with a centralized idea shared amongst them.
Band of Brothers is a marvel of efficiency and organization.\ Both Alliances are beautiful to behold whilst in action, powerful and purposeful in their goals, using two very different means to accomplish them.
It's very easy to jump on the Goonbashing Bandwagon, or the Band of Brothers bashing bandwagon, it seems to be the cool thing to do these days.
It's hard to categorize what a goon is really, the best part about Goonswarm is their variety. They come from all walks of life, all demographics, lower class, middle class, upper class, some are professionals, others work at McDonalds.
To be honest with you eleuthereus, you don't seem like Goonswarm material and I think that you leaving is a beneficial act for both parties. It is great that you left without causing too much disturbance in-game..however after reading all your posts it seems that, well...
This is just my opinion.
It seems you used this entire thing as a thinly veiled attack on Goonswarm while kissing up to older alliances you parted from. You've tested the waters of Lake GoonAWanabago and found them to be too cold for your liking. It seems you've needed to publicly announce that you're a free agent. You, knowing that you need to be in a larger alliance to survive have taken shots at Goonswarm to appease the alliances you wish to join.
That being said, given your history it looks as if you hop from place to place, no real loyalty to anyone but yourself.
You're not as honorable as you're trying to convince people you are.
I do apologize if my post seems confusing and jumbled, my brain is currently under the influence of massive amounts of opiates (Legal, prescribed, I can assure you ISD)
I've said my piece.
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spottedgalaxy
Gallente Guys With Strippers Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:10:00 -
[600]
OK, ele my final offer is 150 isk
Spot
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