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Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 18:46:00 - [91] Hello ? We're not talking auditing as in the type of auditing you all seem to think is going to be going on. CCP isn't going to let you check the database or whatever yourselves. They aren't going to let you sift through the petition queues yourselves. They aren't going to let you check msn logs on their staff. They're going to do something like a presentation of their findings on GM service quality, IA investigations of that quarter, and ISD member statistics, and let you revieuw the information on which they base it. At least, that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Do you really believe that it's an option to train up 9 random community guys to be able to sift through all available data and look for minute signs of abuse or something ? Of course it's not. Those people will go there as 'ambassadors' of the community, to review CCP's actions indirectly, and to give or withold their approval to CCP's conclusions on whatever they're asked to look at. Stop asking for ******* deloitte or whatever. The main requirement will be being somewhat above average in the IQ department, and being able to present your own views in clear and concise manner to the playerbase. There's no need to be able to read code, 'cause you're not going to be seeing much of it. [center] Old blog
Mysticaa Gallente Fringe Roamers of Goa	Posted - 2007.06.08 18:47:00 - [92] Personally I would never want the job. Imagine thousands of eve-mails from people you never wanted to talk to in the first place. About issues you may or maynot even care about yourself. Not to mention the fact that you will need to isolate yourself from every player on eve just so you can remain objective. Not for me! Good luck to whichever shmuck(s) they get to fill this role. ----------------------------------------------- Why do I post here? Originally by: Tao Han "TANK CEO!!!" Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!! Sig snatched by Xorus
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.08 18:49:00 - [93] I suggest you use your votes for a cynical player who will do the job not another sycophantic celebrity player that sucks up to CCP to try and gain favour. We already have those. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:46:00 - [94] Edited by: Tecam Hund on 08/06/2007 19:46:45 The Cosmopolite Chribba Verone

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:52:00 - [95] For pure fun... the hypothetical committee Backdoor Bandit Entity Janks Weirda Weirchas Noobhunter edit: Jade Constantine! ___ Questions/Complaints/Opinions/Bree \| Forum Rules \| Our Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:53:00 - [96] VOTE FOR ME! (or Nate Hammertown) What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:33:00 - [97] Cyvok. He used to deal with CCP regularly and helped with the CEO interface and getting the corp tools sorted. Running a nearly 700man corp was hell with the old tools. I've pm'd him and we have a thread going to see who would be put forward from our team. Currently its Cyvok, Me, and MT. I'd like Cyvok to go but that will be his call. I certainly will be put forward if he says no. I'd like to see some of this crap cleared up and see CCP start having the game enjoyed again. I'm tired of the forum spam and crap that is thrown around. I know their has been certain problems and i sincerly hope that CCP is keeping things above board. However things like Certain Ppl have direct CCP contacts to efectivly "FastTrack" things does disturb me. Level playing field for all? In time or we'll all be playing POTBS... Yarrr... now wheres me flag gone? SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
OutOfTheBox Cyborg	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:37:00 - [98] Daniel Jackson
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:47:00 - [99] Originally by: FarScape III I elect Dark Shikari, Why? Because he seems to be non biased and is into most aspects of EVE.[/quote This is some sort of joke? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:48:00 - [100] Originally by: SamuraiJack Cyvok. He used to deal with CCP regularly and helped with the CEO interface and getting the corp tools sorted. CVOK HAS PERSONAL DEALINGS WITH THE DEVS - LETS RIOT!"!!!!! SKUNK
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:53:00 - [101] Originally by: Roshan longshot This committee needs to come from the player base, not the forums. No well known forum *** should be elected, nor anyone from those two alliances or anyone allied to them. I say this election should be done IN GAME not the forums. Matter of fact most of the committee should come from NON Alliance corporations. They should be from every walk of life of Eve, and be known IN GAME. So another words only mission runners and pirates on the committee? Talk about corrupt than. Every single player either in an alliance or not should get a vote. A window should pop up where you can put in 5 character names in eve. This should happen for 1 week and not on trail accounts. People with two accounts that pay by CC should only get 1 chance. Once you have made your decision its done with. If you are not on that week to bad. I vote sirmolle and that astrate nosferatu guy. Two different views on the issue. --------------------------- Originally by:** Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:56:00 - [102] Well I tell you what. Get CCP to roll back Sisi to before Exodus... and you manage a 700man corp with the basic corp tools. No roles. No Titles etc. Then you find out just how much grind it was to deal with each member individually. I just hope that further revisions that CEO's and other members keep posting to the suggestions board are answered and done. Your CEO's want to play the game too. They dont want to spend 5-6hrs sorting out Corp stuff when they login. Eve has vast potential. The 5 year plan i hope to see carried out. Clearing up the yelling and screaming on the forums and establishing a level playing field and clearing the bugs that make EvE a matter of love and hate I'd love to see. This game is so much more than just the pvp and lagfest of POS battles etc. There has been many changes. Most... for the better. If CCP can continue to push eve forward (in a timely fashion... 1 1/2yrs for election does take the mick somewhat and other fallen promises. hint go see what was promised in exodus... to what is actually in the game) then eve will be the rising star that i joined way back after EnB's fall. Oveur. Here's a beer. Lets get the fun back. SJ. CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director =-
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:01:00 - [103] Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/06/2007 22:01:14 I nominate and vote for Verone - One of the most unbiased people i've met in eve. And nominate myself because quite frankly there is nothing i hate more then a liar or a thief (in rl). Edit: almost forgot. Im familiar with SQL databases and the tools used with them and I've also programmed a few of my own custom apps. ----------- "Mercinaries never die, we just go to hell to regroup." -xOm3gAx '99
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:05:00 - [104] This exercise in futility is a giant waste of time. You can't use anyone from BOB for fear of corruption in the corruption seeking. You can't use forum warriors because they are only known on the forum. You can't use random unknowns because "BOB ALT! ZOMG!"... This just will not work unless it's an unbiased 3rd party of some sort.
Vladimir Tinakin Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:15:00 - [105] Originally by: Rod Blaine Hello ? We're not talking auditing as in the type of auditing you all seem to think is going to be going on. CCP isn't going to let you check the database or whatever yourselves. They aren't going to let you sift through the petition queues yourselves. They aren't going to let you check msn logs on their staff. They're going to do something like a presentation of their findings on GM service quality, IA investigations of that quarter, and ISD member statistics, and let you revieuw the information on which they base it. At least, that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Do you really believe that it's an option to train up 9 random community guys to be able to sift through all available data and look for minute signs of abuse or something ? Of course it's not. Those people will go there as 'ambassadors' of the community, to review CCP's actions indirectly, and to give or withold their approval to CCP's conclusions on whatever they're asked to look at. Stop asking for ******* deloitte or whatever. The main requirement will be being somewhat above average in the IQ department, and being able to present your own views in clear and concise manner to the playerbase. There's no need to be able to read code, 'cause you're not going to be seeing much of it. Never entertained the notion that the position would be debugging code or picking through the petition queue. However, and I could very well be mistaken here, I think CCP is going to bring in the people to "Audit the Auditors/Auditing process"--and to do that competantly, you would benefit a great deal from knowing what makes a good control and what is worthless or an "in name only" audit check. Technical knowledge will be of use in making that judgement, since the relevant processes will be conducted on and against technical items. This is largely a "Hi folks from the community, here's what we're doing, these are the IA/audit staff personnel, here are our controls, here are our remediation processes. Go tell everyone else the department exists, please" maneuver, however it is quite valid and relevant since the existance or due diligence of the department is somewhat in doubt at times and by certain significant segments of the eve population. As such, the best candidates for this, I think, would be respectable, trusted members of Eve with something of a technical background. Along with the schedule flexibility, passport issue, etc. Oh, for the record: I have my passport up to date. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO Hadean Drive Yards
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:49:00 - [106] Originally by: scabbsssjr I vote sirmolle and that astrate nosferatu guy. Two different views on the issue. SirMolle and me in the same room, I'm wondering how that'll end . If anything, the candidates must be passionate about EvE, preferably been playing since early retail or even beta (to be able to fully understand what working with a community as ours means) and be able to show neutrality. This isn't that much of a Alliance vs Coalition issue as it's a customer vs CCP issue. So all the crap about electing people from alliance A or corp B doesn't really matter, as we're all paying customers afterall and people should not be chosen cause they are in a specific corp or follow a specific profession in EvE. The choice should be made based on who the community thinks are thrustworthy and able players, people who will represent both the EvE community and CCP honorably. I'm sure certain Alliance members would be acceptable for the Coalition, and vice versa. Guess we'll have to wait and see where CCP actually wants to go with this. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:59:00 - [107] Originally by: Kumu Honua This exercise in futility is a giant waste of time. You can't use anyone from BOB for fear of corruption in the corruption seeking. You can't use forum warriors because they are only known on the forum. You can't use random unknowns because "BOB ALT! ZOMG!"... This just will not work unless it's an unbiased 3rd party of some sort. I think the only answer is to use all of them, represented proportionally from among the electorate. Incidentally, it so happens that I'm a student with very long holidays this summer and the next, not to mention about a month's break each for Christmas & Easter ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:05:00 - [108] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: scabbsssjr I vote sirmolle and that astrate nosferatu guy. Two different views on the issue. SirMolle and me in the same room, I'm wondering how that'll end . If anything, the candidates must be passionate about EvE, preferably been playing since early retail or even beta (to be able to fully understand what working with a community as ours means) and be able to show neutrality. This isn't that much of a Alliance vs Coalition issue as it's a customer vs CCP issue. I will be taking bets on sirmolle in round 3 :) I agree totally with you on every accept the alliance vs coalition issue. Their should be at least one member from each side that is fairly knowledgeable about whats going on ingame and such (doesn't have to be a BOB or RAGOON guy, but someone from their sides). The rest of the slots can be filled with anyone. If ccp didn't allow 1 person from each side to join the committee than we will be right back were we started before the committee was mentioned. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Trent Tyler	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:06:00 - [109] Morning Maniac has my vote, a better representation of a Eve player is hard to some by
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:11:00 - [110] Edited by: Valan on 08/06/2007 23:10:41 Let me get this right. Some people are going to vote for BoB and other people who've been working with CCP since beta. Thats the entire reason CCP are in this mess to start with. This is to repair CCPs public image, not to formalise the alleged bonds. I give up /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:15:00 - [111] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 08/06/2007 23:13:46 Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 08/06/2007 23:10:41 Let me get this right. Some people are going to vote for BoB and other people who've been working with CCP since beta. Thats the entire reason CCP are in this mess to start with. This is to repair CCPs public image, not to formalise the alleged bonds. I give up I have personally been playing since August 2003 and I have never worked for CCP before. Not as a volunteer, not as an employee. I'm sure there are other players like me, who have been playing for 4 years or longer, who haven't worked for CCP (except of course the alpha/beta testing). Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:16:00 - [112] Edited by: Valan on 08/06/2007 23:17:10 Thats the point I was making not the players who've been working with CCP since beta. That would mean someone like yourself. I don't want to see goons in there or BoB. I don't want to see forum celebs, ISD, mods or anyone else whose even spoken to a Dev before or its pointless. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Abbadon Caldari Pukin' Dogs	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:29:00 - [113] Jim McGregor DS Chribba Ombey Jade Constantine Verone Ragnar and his hat . Dancers plz. o/ --Jorauk boogies-eris booty bounces - Corte
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:45:00 - [114] Originally by: Valan I don't want to see goons in there or BoB. I don't want to see forum celebs, ISD, mods or anyone else whose even spoken to a Dev before or its pointless. I'm not a Goon nor a BoB member, nor have I ever been. I'm not an ISD member, a forum moderator nor have I ever spoken to a Dev (not without me knowing he was a Dev at least). Only category I might remotely fall under is forum celebrity, although I seriously doubt many people know me except for, of course, the infamous chat I had with SirMolle once which made me the laughing stock of EvE back in 2004. If, and that's a big 'if', I would be a candidate, I think I would meet the current unofficial criteria as an EvE-loving, cheating/exploiting/metagaming-hating player. I would no doubt give CCP and the employees who are affiliated with BoB a hard time, but I wouldn't ignore the exploiting from certain Coalition members either (complex-farming anyone?). But again, IF. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Coupo Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:56:00 - [115] Vote me in, I accept all forms of Bunds I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
WisdomLikeSilence Rogue Method Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 00:00:00 - [116] I vote for Hans Blix. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) I want to use my robot-wisdo body!
Phoebus Athenian Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 07:28:00 - [117] +1 Dark Shikari ---
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.09 08:08:00 - [118] Are we representing EVE or the EVE-O Forums?
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.09 08:53:00 - [119] Originally by: Roshan longshot This committee needs to come from the player base, not the forums. No well known forum ***** should be elected, nor anyone from those two alliances or anyone allied to them. I say this election should be done IN GAME not the forums. Matter of fact most of the committee should come from NON Alliance corporations. They should be from every walk of life of Eve, and be known IN GAME. In that case, you need me on the committee. :) I must say - I think that this whole thing sounds like a charade. Players vote players to go to Iceland to "audit" CCP. So what happens when SirMolle gets 5,000 votes, and TWD gets 5,000 votes, and all the BoB folks get alts, who vote for their own. They've got the numbers to make it happen.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.09 08:54:00 - [120] Considerinbg the damage to the perceived reputation of CCP and EVE that BoB has done, they should be out of the running for getting on this board and probably should have the grace to bow out on their own. This is SUPPOSED to be about FIXING CCP's waning credibility with its players, and having BoB members, pets, alts, etc ISNT gonna do that. Fine... Ill play nice

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