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Krezeb
Caldari
The Renegade Order
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Posted - 2007.06.09 08:57:00 -
[121]
I'd vote for Dark Shikari
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though reports written by Janks would be amusing 
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EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:01:00 -
[122]
You guys are missing the point.
The intention is to go audit CCP procedures and interaction with the playerbase in-game.
Not to "represent" BoB, Goons, or any other alliance.
They are not going to discuss 0.0 politics, theres enough of that mud-slinging on the boards.
Having a bunch of in-game experience helps, but its not necessary. A pirate wouldnt do any better than a lone empire pilot running the routes in his inty.
Ultimately you would want someone who is familiar with the MMO business, hopefully having worked in it, (to see through CCPs spin) and has a good handle on the game. That could be anyone.
But in all this just looks like a PR opportunity to get back what they have lost since T20. Unless you have intimate knowledge of MMO architecture, development process, and GM/CSR procedures, all your going to do is look at a bunch of information CCP has prepared for you ahead of time.
Taking a bunch of "elected" (we will see how that one goes) players doesnt solve anything. Its too easy to make pretty documents and suspicious screenshots to get the oohs and ahhs and then sign a nice fat NDA.
What you really need is people in the MMO industry.
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UndergrounD
Caldari
Grumpy Old Farts
Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:10:00 -
[123]
Jade Constantine is the only person worth voting for tbh
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Apocalytica Insomnia
DarkSide Defenders
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:10:00 -
[124]
I dotn know whom I'll vote for yet, but i can certenly tell you that I'll make sure that i will not vote anyone with more then 10 Flameposts on his record, or beeing in the top 20 Alliances, or beeing Hippoking.
Thats right, cause the cost for CCP to fly in the Hippo would be as enormous then hiring 2 Officials to do the audits.
Apocalyptica Insomnia
DSD - Accounting and More |
Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.09 09:13:00 -
[125]
I elect SirMolle, Dianabolic, Blacklight, DBPreacher, Rod Blaine, Orange Species, and fire59.
They're all 100% honest, and have never committed a wrong in Eve, because they said so. I know the rest of the Eve community would be as happy with this panel as I would be. Thank you.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 10:18:00 -
[126]
i would, instead of voting for ******** eve celebrities, find someone who played eve that worked for an auditing corporation and knows how to do this sort of stuff professionally, and wiling to do it under CCP's conditions, and i would vote for them.
not like the community is going to do anything sensible like that, it's a nice thought and if it actually happened then both ccp and the playerbase would appreciate it since there wouldn't be any worries of audits only being performed on the bar and food services, rather then important things.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.09 10:28:00 -
[127]
 Originally by: mazzilliu
i would, instead of voting for ******** eve celebrities, find someone who played eve that worked for an auditing corporation and knows how to do this sort of stuff professionally, and wiling to do it under CCP's conditions, and i would vote for them.
not like the community is going to do anything sensible like that, it's a nice thought and if it actually happened then both ccp and the playerbase would appreciate it since there wouldn't be any worries of audits only being performed on the bar and food services, rather then important things.
The problem is that community will vote for candidates they know, which is very reasonable. I want to vote for a person who is unbiased and has good knowledge of the game, but if I see their name for the first time it will not tell me much about them even if they present themselves.
My choices could be classified as EVE celebrities to be honest, but I have dealt with Verone and The Cosmopolite personally. As fir Chribba, he did a lot for the community and is a member of 1 man alliance, so he is a reasonable choice.
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:09:00 -
[128]
I would go for Dark Shikari, Chribba(sp?), aaaaand.. Hippoking, along with Tasuric Orka, he's so awesome.
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DarkKeeper
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:11:00 -
[129]
Kugutsumen
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Skip a line or two, get a rest, then come home.
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the blender
the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:59:00 -
[130]
Just 'cus no-one else will say. ME ME ME ME.
There done. Could be good though, I would insist on non-uniform days, icecream in every station and free bree for all 
VOTE THE BLENDER FOR PREZ!!
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the blender
the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:59:00 -
[131]
Just 'cus no-one else will say. ME ME ME ME.
There done. Could be good though, I would insist on non-uniform days, icecream in every station and free bree for all
VOTE THE BLENDER FOR PREZ!!
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 12:45:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Voculus
I elect SirMolle, Dianabolic, Blacklight, DBPreacher, Rod Blaine, Orange Species, and fire59.
They're all 100% honest, and have never committed a wrong in Eve, because they said so. I know the rest of the Eve community would be as happy with this panel as I would be. Thank you.
i second this notion!
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2007.06.09 13:23:00 -
[133]
In actual fact this is all a clever ruse to change the playerbases focus off said "incidents" and onto something else that they call all ***** about :P
tbh to avoid the issue that this was proposed to solve, nobody in bob should be allowed in this group.
Bob is the reason this is being considered in the first place and if bob ends up on the committee your back to square one "oh noes the committee is corrupt!!!11!!" etc.
It'd make the most sense to take carebears to this since they're generally impartial to the alliance wars since they have nothing to do with it (or as little as they can get away with).
Even better would be to just use an external auditing company from iceland. Thats gotta be cheaper than flying in players who're just in it for a free flight and beer :)
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Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 13:42:00 -
[134]
Great.. now this whole thing will turn into a flamewar about who gets to go or not.
CCP will be happy either way since this puts the focus off other issues at hand.
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rig0r
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.09 13:45:00 -
[135]
+1 Ginger Magician
cos he's the bestest pvper in EVE !!
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NereSky
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.09 13:54:00 -
[136]
well if its a election it would depend who go's forward and what speech they deliver and what they state they will try to achieve'
1)ie a full investigation
2)a proper petition process where all petitions are acted on fairly and evenly and responded to in a proper time frame.
3) doesnt matter where the person comes from or what entity he is affiliated too as long as the group itself is evenly spread to represent the majority of Eve community
4)i like the idea of a member of the main alliances with a few complete neutrals.
ill be paying close attention to any campaign speech and my vote will be cast to try and get a fair and even committee.
as i said id like to have reps from major powers and also member(s) of CCP on the committee with also reps from the clearl neutral stand point.
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Matzu Kana
Icon Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.09 14:09:00 -
[137]
There can be only one correct answer.
Skyflyer
A man who undestands what transparency is all about.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 14:09:00 -
[138]
I'm going to sound like an attention-seeking ***** here, but in all honesty my perceptions of this is that the main focus of any audit team would most likely be on the interactions of CCP employees and the playerbase, which means not looking at database stuff but more interview type situations.
There have been very few times here that something has come up and I could say "I have experience in this!" Well, I see this as one of those times.
As an anthropologist I have experience with interviewing people on their day to day interactions and meaningfully evaluating their answers in context. I have been involved in investigations regarding racial discrimination on my campus (as an investigator, mind you) which is VERY similar to the charges levied against CCP. Although we say that it is alliance bias, the alliance ticker is (imo) analagous to percieved race in the real world as it informs automatically the bias one reads into another's perceptions. It is something that we use to judge one another's in-game actions, and increasingly their out of game motivations. It also serves as the basis for the charges against how CCP is seen to treat players.
There is a place for database admins who can (hopefully) see whether CCP has proper controls on access etc, and to see how easy it is for someone to access the db while logged onto an account in-game. But I also see a great need for someone who can seriously and professionally do in-depth interviews with devs, GMs, ISD, players and whoever the hell else can be made available.
I've always kept to the back of the room in Eve, I usually play in small-time or solo corps but I've also experienced enough 0.0 to understand the politics and gameplay out there. I ducked out of 0.0 when the war started because I thought it was unhealthy for the Eve community-- war is good but I like to keep it in-game, not conduct it for ooc reasons.
Because of this, and my ability to take time off for this purpose, I toss my hat in the ring as a social scientist trained in ethnography and with the knowledge base to understand the questions to ask.
Of course there is no such thing as an unbiased player-- each of us comes with our own baggage. I have always been supportive of efforts to oppose BoB in-game (even got a killmail on one of them) but I also take into consideration the contributions that longstanding members such as Blacklight and Avon have made to the forums. Many reading this probably find it unbelievable, but some members of BoB have in the past been very vocal and friendly on the forums, especially to newer players. On the other hand, I also see that some others, such as Sir Molle, can never be taken at their words here-- they post purely to mess with people's heads, and I'm always amazed at how so many people take them seriously.
I feel that it is imperative that auditors include at least one person capable of doing ethnographic research. Social engineering, after all, is one of the biggest charges levied against CCP, and a trained ethnographer has a better chance than many to find out whether this is the case or not.
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Magnum III
Journey On Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.10 05:19:00 -
[139]
I like the idea of a Committee of 9 players going to Iceland.
I can't wait for the pre election campaigns, fun stuff, the forum will be as fun as the game. :)
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:29:00 -
[140]
I vote me
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:52:00 -
[141]
daniel jackson
fatballs
firstname lastname
thread over
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Lux Simian
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:49:00 -
[142]
Me
I have an IT Background with focus towards enforcing Contractual Obligations, investigation and audit focus (some 5-7 years) which has given me an objective ability to risk my own reputation by upsetting my own employers when necessary.
I'm also very good at working with technical people, as well as reporting details back to a group.
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ShadowDuke
Caldari
Territorial Arms
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:00:00 -
[143]
I figure I'm as good a canadite as any. I am actually going inactive to beta test WAR, and can easily get time off work. If it hadn't been for dev dishonesty I would likely be playing both.
I have been involved in several beta test, understand the MMO model, and can get information out of people without them saying a word (body language tells you more than words some times).
All that said, I'm not very well known, dont have a stake in any alliances, and represent the empire industrialist. Many of which are quietly sickened by the precieved wrong-doing of CCP.
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Shamza
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:14:00 -
[144]
I vote for:
Me, myself and mine.
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:15:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Enaria Ferenic on 10/06/2007 10:15:30
Firstly, is CCP serious about this oversight committe? becasue if they are, having the players vote is the wrong way to go about it. Powerfull 0.0 alliances can motivate/force their members to vote for their 'ticket'; and forgive me if i'm wrong, but is'int it issues with powerfull 0.0 alliances (and their alleged underhand contacts with DEV's) which is the root of this mess CCP now finds itself in?
If CCP really want to have an effective overshight committe (and one trusted and respetced by the playerbase), they need to approach this from a different angle. Plenty of players have axes to grind on this issue and a committe engaging in a anti BoB witchhunt would be as bad as one made up of their senoir non DEV members (and a few 'pets' as a sop to the rest of us).
The approach i'd like to see is have interested characters submit RL CV's to CCP, with reference checking etc.....just like in a 'real' job application. The nine committe members would be a mix of techies for DB/gameplaying issues (T2 lotteries and node crashes come to mind  ), and a mix of others with HR and organisational structures/management experience (CCP really need to build some sort of 'Chinese Wall' system internally....). I'd propose 3 of each, with the remianing 3 being selected 'at random' from the general player base. Oh and to make it even more transparnet, have an external consultantcy firm run the whole Oversight Committe Recruitment process, so no accusations of favouritism/rigging etc. can be leveled at CCP.
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:51:00 -
[146]
What oversight committee?
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:54:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Cypherous
What oversight committee?
See http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=532982
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:06:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Enaria Ferenic
Originally by: Cypherous
What oversight committee?
See http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=532982
Many thanks, seems interesting will be nice to see how it all turns out, yes i'm afanboi and i don't really feel the need or have the desire to go to iceland to audit something i already believe is working perfectly but to each thier own, will give you a free trip to iceland i suppose.
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whiteouter
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:14:00 -
[149]
My suggestion, would be to have a rotating oversight committe. Could be selected by 'lottery' rather than 'voting' on an annul basis.
Anyone, considering themselves upto the job, would notify ccp of their interest, then the said 'lottery' would take place.
Furthemore, I disagreewith selection of an applicant, purely on the 'names or faces' that are present on the forums, that would be foolhardy. I also feel, that applicants to any audit body, should have a minimum of +2 years in game. This would in my opinion generally allow a widespread of applicants, with commensurate knowledge.
The people that make up any eventual body, will be to an extent, auditng ( in it's loosest meaning), an international business. With respect,I'm afraid that saying a bunch of stuff on a forum, or knowing things about a game, doesn't equate to that level of required experience.
The other option, is to call in 'proper' auditers, that can make a true account of ccp. This report could be made 'available' to us unclean masses to ponder.
Is this an honest attempt to to become more 'transparent'.. or a bit of spin/PR?
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:29:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Nate Hammertown
im voting for me
if there's a name you can trust then that name is hammertown
and its me
Im Nate.
Hammertown.
I'll be voting for nate
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