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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:29:00 -
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I can wait a few hours How did you manage a forum ban on one section of the forums? Didn't know that was possible
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
*edit* PS. stop asking Calmdown about this IPO. He doesn't know anout it, is not involved in it, and the fact that he happens to admin a fan site that I frequent doesn't mean he should be your go-to guy for problems.
*sigh* read the posts before you tell people to stop something they never did, please?
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker I understand that people are upset, heck I would be too. I'd apologize for the lack of communication but I'd have to amend it to not be directed at the people who are posting their nerd-rage in this thread (please hire the MC to attack us btw).
What a bizzare comment...
Other than that, good to hear it's not a lost cause even if I had nothing invested.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe I can wait a few hours How did you manage a forum ban on one section of the forums? Didn't know that was possible
This. Where the hell have you been Wylker, didn't you tell people you were banned? This is the first I have heard of this.....
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Calmdown
Minmatar BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:33:00 -
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Actually people have been PMing me quite a lot about this, I PM'd Wylker today and asked him to set the record straight to save me answering questions about something I have absolutely no clue about :)
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Calmdown Actually people have been PMing me quite a lot about this, I PM'd Wylker today and asked him to set the record straight to save me answering questions about something I have absolutely no clue about :)
Amazingly (no offence) this seems to have been the correcyt course of action in the end 
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Calmdown Actually people have been PMing me quite a lot about this, I PM'd Wylker today and asked him to set the record straight to save me answering questions about something I have absolutely no clue about :)
Really? How many?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 19/11/2007 15:43:38
Originally by: Eve-Online Forums - Last 2 Posts By Wylker Last 15 Posts - Edited by: Wylker on 19/11/2007 15:24:58 Hi!Eve-O forum ban is lifted, and I managed to proxy in fr ...19/11/2007 15:24:00 - OP: Welcome to a year ago. ...13/11/2007 22:03:00
Originally by: Wylker
Eve-O forum ban is lifted
I don't think the best way to restore trust is to start off with a lie.
Originally by: Wylker
I understand that people are upset, heck I would be too. I'd apologize for the lack of communication but I'd have to amend it to not be directed at the people who are posting their nerd-rage in this thread (please hire the MC to attack us btw).
You know people are mad, but you won't apologize to anyone who actually expressed how mad they were. Makes total sense... 
Originally by: Wylker
I've managed to survive huge amounts of peer pressure from Trixie to steal everyone's isk and all the assets are still safely in 2 stations in high and low sec.
Wow, you are a beacon of virtue! You managed to overcome peer pressure to do something which you swore you'd never do! What an amazingly strong person you are.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 19/11/2007 15:43:38
Originally by: Eve-Online Forums - Last 2 Posts By Wylker Last 15 Posts - Edited by: Wylker on 19/11/2007 15:24:58 Hi!Eve-O forum ban is lifted, and I managed to proxy in fr ...19/11/2007 15:24:00 - OP: Welcome to a year ago. ...13/11/2007 22:03:00
I don't think the best way to restore trust is to start off with a lie.
Notice the week between those posts? Hehe.
Quote:
You know people are mad, but you won't apologize to anyone who actually expressed how mad they were. Makes total sense... 
No theres a difference between "I'm mad" and "Lets get MC to blow up all their 0.0 assets, AND lets get a list of his friends and blow their **** up too"
Quote: Wow, you are a beacon of virtue! You managed to overcome peer pressure to do something which you swore you'd never do! What an amazingly strong person you are.
Thanks!
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe I can wait a few hours How did you manage a forum ban on one section of the forums? Didn't know that was possible
It wasn't, I had a 7 day ban from some CAOD smacktalk. PS. Everyone should be giving Ricdic and LV a lot of thanks, they really look after the members of this little section of eve. Ok, enough whoring, I'll be on tonight with some answers and a plan of action.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/11/2007 15:54:55 Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/11/2007 15:54:25
Originally by: Wylker
Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 19/11/2007 15:43:38
Originally by: Eve-Online Forums - Last 2 Posts By Wylker Last 15 Posts - Edited by: Wylker on 19/11/2007 15:24:58 Hi!Eve-O forum ban is lifted, and I managed to proxy in fr ...19/11/2007 15:24:00 - OP: Welcome to a year ago. ...13/11/2007 22:03:00
I don't think the best way to restore trust is to start off with a lie.
Notice the week between those posts? Hehe.
Does that excuse you from never posting updates, even before the ban? Or maybe communicate in your mailing list? Maybe have a corp mate post a post from you, containing all the info? Hell, maybe even post it on SHC, and im sure we would pick up on it!
I gave this advice to a new dude who just started his IPO. Communicate whatever it takes, and be consistent. Dont answer maybe all the time, if you even post.
I hope you will work it all out tho :) Im looking very much forward to your plan.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
Notice the week between those posts? Hehe.
looks like 6 days to me, ISD gives out 6day bans?
Thanks for that knowledge, for some reason I thought they came in 1day, 7day and permanent flavors.
:) --
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:56:00 -
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Instead of joining into a ****ing match with justifiably upset people you need to be delivering a clear message as to what you intend to do. As it is it seems like you intend to make enemies of the people who trusted you. All the other matters raised, no matter what was said, is your fault. Lack of communication, of any kind, is a fertile ground for hostility. Reap the harvest.
In essence, you've lost investor confidence.
You've only got one real option and that is to close down. However you are not striking me as someone who is in the least bit concerned about your credibility and/or succeeding at this ipo. You've gotten what you wanted and I think you are going to abscond with it.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:58:00 -
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No it doesn't excuse it, and tbh I'm not looking to excuse it. I had intended to put this post up a few days ago though (on the 15th) and was unable to.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 19/11/2007 16:00:47
Originally by: Wylker It wasn't, I had a 7 day ban from some CAOD smacktalk. PS.
and you accuse some of us of nerd rage........
-- edit missed a "c" somewhere the first time around
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker I'd have to amend it to not be directed at the people who are posting their nerd-rage in this thread (please hire the MC to attack us btw).
Genius tact in word's for your business relations. As I see, it was you that made up a business plan and sold it in a game to build sell and essentialy role play an accountant, so why when people get angry at you for stopping all communication do you call it "nerd-rage"?
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:14:00 -
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I'm so glad I posted today, I was hoping to get trolled a bit before lunch. On a side note, whats with all the isk seller spam sigs? I didn't even realize it was different people until just now.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker I'm so glad I posted today, I was hoping to get trolled a bit before lunch. On a side note, whats with all the isk seller spam sigs? I didn't even realize it was different people until just now.
Wylker you have had the majority of your investor's getting rid of stocks in you as fast as they could, you are getting trolled and flamed by people who trusted you with their ISK, who beleived that you would at the very least have communication and early on ignored criticism for your plan by expanding into a dieing and saturated market. If you regularly visited the forums, you would notice we have an epidemic of bot's spamming every page and thread every couple of day's -people are REALY ****ed off at it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker I'm so glad I posted today, I was hoping to get trolled a bit before lunch. On a side note, whats with all the isk seller spam sigs? I didn't even realize it was different people until just now.
LOL. Calling 100% justified annoyance and criticism trolling... you are really on fire today!
The reason to show you posted on the 13th was to show that you could have posted in this thread on the 13th as well. But you didn't. You chose to engage in "nerd-rage" on CAOD and get yourself banned instead of informing your investors of the status of your IPO. Then, you chose not to reply in your mailing list to questions being raised. You also chose not to have a friend or corp mate post a message for you. You also had a friend of yours coming out and stating you should scam everyone.
Then you have the temerity to claim people are trolling by holding your feet to the fire? LOL
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:32:00 -
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I suggest we all calm down, and give him a chance to come up with something...
The way the annoying mob is going, you run the risk of forcing his hand instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt.
By being calm the worse thing that can happen is to be devoid of the chance of raging. The best thing is a profitable IPO and/or Liquidation.
Cheers...
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May Shiko
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:33:00 -
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I'm one of those people who didn't invest (I didn't have cash at the time).
Cutting to the chase, I'm glad I didn't.
To exert some forum warrioring;
I have asked ISD in the past regarding forum bans, it is only 1day and 7day forum bans; As Shadarle mentioned, don't start off with a lie. 6 days =/= 1 or 7.
What about everything up until the day you magically got banned? From everything I've followed up on and discussed with other people (being a new manager to the scene, I'm tenacious in my research to find out what to do and what not to do), you've failed to communicate.
Which I should mention; was something you promised in your initial plan
You're also a hypocrite, accusing a bunch of people of nerd rage, when you claim to have been banned for the exact same thing.
The point of this post? I think you've pretty much screwed your reputation even if you do refund 100% of all funds (even if you have to go into your own pocket)
Your business plan failed, as a manager you failed, and yes it is a case of hindsight being 20/20 for people who had invested in you, but you accepted responsibility to these people when you accepted their internet spaceship money.
You, and your method of managing a public venture, sir, will serve as a fresh and ripe example to IPO managers like myself of what exactly not to do. Enjoy the reputation you've cultivated.
On topic: Sorry to hear you've had such a trouble in the capital market, people did try to warn you about it tanking. =\
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: May Shiko stuff...
Not a bad post, however, you didn't invest, and I am sure you can bask in your own glow of righteousness.... trying to force him to run away with the isk and say "**** it all" doesn't make your decision not to invest more brilliant.
Leave the shouting to people that actually invested, if they are happy to see what comes up this evening, let them be.
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John Newport
Caldari Newport Family Trust Fund
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Wylker I'm so glad I posted today, I was hoping to get trolled a bit before lunch. On a side note, whats with all the isk seller spam sigs? I didn't even realize it was different people until just now.
LOL. Calling 100% justified annoyance and criticism trolling... you are really on fire today!
The reason to show you posted on the 13th was to show that you could have posted in this thread on the 13th as well. But you didn't. You chose to engage in "nerd-rage" on CAOD and get yourself banned instead of informing your investors of the status of your IPO. Then, you chose not to reply in your mailing list to questions being raised. You also chose not to have a friend or corp mate post a message for you. You also had a friend of yours coming out and stating you should scam everyone.
Then you have the temerity to claim people are trolling by holding your feet to the fire? LOL
I won't deny agreeing with the things you say here Shadarle, but you said you had nothing invested in this venture. Perhaps it's not fair to throw oil on an already huge fire here and have the investors and Wylker work it out first, before we "neutrals" get judgemental.
John Newport Small Time Investor.
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May Shiko
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: May Shiko stuff...
stuff¦
Just because I didn't invest doesn't mean I didn't come across some PSI shares back in september from a friend that are on a holding alt. But this is off topic and irrelevant, I own at least one PSI share even though I didn't invest any of my own cash into it, as such I am entitle to an opinion.
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: May Shiko
Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: May Shiko stuff...
stuff¦
Just because I didn't invest doesn't mean I didn't come across some PSI shares back in september from a friend that are on a holding alt. But this is off topic and irrelevant, I own at least one PSI share even though I didn't invest any of my own cash into it, as such I am entitle to an opinion.
wtf?
What has 'being entitled to an opinion' have anything to do with it?
What I am saying is: No need to be destructive and try to make Wylker change his mind (back) to scamzor if you have nothing to lose.... and even if you DO have anything to lose it still isn't a smart idea...
So he didn't respond for 1 week, so he has a lot of isk... so he did get called names... So you have an opinion.. (that he is a liar/scam/cheat genuine bastard, whatever)
you still have 2 choices:
1) Keep your opionion to yourself on the chance you are wrong and he turns into a great CEO and/or he reimburses everyone 2) Out your opinion from the top of your lungs, with the risk that he gets ****ed off beyond belief and maybe scams anyways.
Funny thing is... doing 1) has no risk (besides lacking the i-told-you-so factor) and 2) has a lot of risk.
Meh, breathe, drink water... and shout again in a week... :)
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
So he didn't respond for 1 week, so he has a lot of isk... so he did get called names... So you have an opinion.. (that he is a liar/scam/cheat genuine bastard, whatever)
We arent talking 1 week good Naph. We are talking way longer. The only updates prior to today, have been very arrogant posts saying "STFU IM WORKING", and then he gone MIA.
He isnt following his plan, and is now lying. You dont see what people are comming at?
I fully get your point. But you make it sound like people are angry because of a small thing. It isnt a small thing.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:03:00 -
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So not only did you all got scammed, you bow down, beg and kiss his feet in the vain hope that he returns some of the cash?
This has to be one of the most humiliating, crushing victories ever in eve, good job Wylker.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista And where do you see that he actually pulled scam, unless you are wylker?
Now now Vista, let's not let this become a witch hunt.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: LaVista Vista And where do you see that he actually pulled scam, unless you are wylker?
Now now Vista, let's not let this become a witch hunt.
Isnt a witch hunt. I merely questioned how he would know that it was a scam, unless he was wylker himself.
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Argenton Sayvers So not only did you all got scammed, you bow down, beg and kiss his feet in the vain hope that he returns some of the cash?
This has to be one of the most humiliating, crushing victories ever in eve, good job Wylker.
Naphtalia is the one that is assuming Wylker even bought the carrier BPO in the first place. On another note - I did not invest in Wylker myself, but am as an IPO runner am upset that it happened, whenever a large profile one like this scam's people stop investing in new IPO's, so I have nothing personaly to gain by fighting on other people's behalf.
I don't asume anything, I don't even know what the IPO is about (obviously a carrier BPO) I just know that:
People that have not invested, flaming a possible scammer, increases the chance of it becoming an actual scam, with the only "gain" for the flamers is internet-epeen-points.
I don't think that is right, nor fair to the investors, that is all.
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