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Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Don ZOLA on 02/07/2007 07:32:48 aye, being bored at work :). So wanna hear people opinions on best skilled pvp corps, but lets make it clear, i dont talk about strongest corps, biggest power, blob etc... Wanna know whats your impression, which corps have highest average skills (excludes many big corps immediatelly). Plz no inactive corps also, just live and kicking, and refrein from boosting ego of your corp/alliance mates (dont nominate your own corp), be honest about your enemies etc. for me taosp - top bob corp burn eden - (you may like or not like they tactics, i personally dont, but they got nice results and are prolly best in that kind of warfare) DNA - dunno name of their new experiment corp so ill call them DNA :) lemme hear what you think :) edit : spelling :/
Xeliya Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Xeliya on 02/07/2007 07:42:31 Not including any MC corps. Concord 0utbreak __________________
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.02 07:45:00 - [3] noone has really stood out to me that i have fought, though i can name you some bad pvp corps, lots of them
Jorja Fox Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:06:00 - [4] MC - BDCI BoB - Evolution Outbreak Black Reign ( small but very specialized )
Vital Efters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:07:00 - [5] As far as numbers go goonfleet would probably have the highest number of good pvpers
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:11:00 - [6] plz no alts, your great newbie corp expirience aint needed here. if you dont have balls to post with main then dont post. and for goon guy, i asked not to nominate your own corp/alliance and the question is high average skill so therefore imho goons have no chance to even close to top there, the bigger corp is lower average skill is in majority of cases...
Vital Efters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:13:00 - [7] 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor
With JudgeReinhold Gallente Legal Team	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:17:00 - [8] Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:18:00 - [9] well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :)
Vital Efters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Don ZOLA well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :) How are you measuring skill?
Vital Efters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:25:00 - [11] Originally by: With JudgeReinhold Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea If you had any grasp of eve history you would know I have fought LV, and destroyed them
Jonny 101 The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: With JudgeReinhold Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea If you had any grasp of eve history you would know I have fought LV, and destroyed them You did?! ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby
Vital Efters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: With JudgeReinhold Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea If you had any grasp of eve history you would know I have fought LV, and destroyed them You did?! "I" in terms of my corperations, ofcourse.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :) How are you measuring skill? first you must have it yourself to be able to measure others ie compare them :P
Jonny 101 The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: With JudgeReinhold Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea If you had any grasp of eve history you would know I have fought LV, and destroyed them You did?! "I" in terms of my corperations, ofcourse. Your corporations? I was wondering what char Remedial was sharing with the CEO of RA, TFC and co. ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:35:00 - [16] johhny & vital gtfo , you are spoiling my thread :P
With JudgeReinhold Gallente Legal Team	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:37:00 - [17] Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:35:40 Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: With JudgeReinhold Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea If you had any grasp of eve history you would know I have fought LV, and destroyed them Au contraire my ignorant friend; Lotka Volterra is BACK. FOR REVENGE.
Vital Efters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :) How are you measuring skill? first you must have it yourself to be able to measure others ie compare them :P My post was not a personal attack on your skill, so I am confused as to why you have chosen to attack mine. All i meant was what guidelines are you using to measure skill? K:D ratio? Survivability?
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :) How are you measuring skill? first you must have it yourself to be able to measure others ie compare them :P My post was not a personal attack on your skill, so I am confused as to why you have chosen to attack mine. All i meant was what guidelines are you using to measure skill? K:D ratio? Survivability? wts clue, this is a morale boost thread
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :) How are you measuring skill? first you must have it yourself to be able to measure others ie compare them :P My post was not a personal attack on your skill, so I am confused as to why you have chosen to attack mine. All i meant was what guidelines are you using to measure skill? K:D ratio? Survivability? see smiley at the end ? i havent fought you so cant comment your skill, it was kinda joke ;) K:D, survivabilty help, but imho you can say who has or has not skill if you fought them, saw their movies or witnessed on some other way.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Kramer Verone Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Vital Efters Originally by: Don ZOLA well maybe for you, but if you read my first post carefully, you`ll see that i said clearly that i dont need opinion on which corp is strongest, can make biggest blob or is most powerfull. i wanna know opinions on HIGHEST AVERAGE PVP SKILL of members :) How are you measuring skill? first you must have it yourself to be able to measure others ie compare them :P My post was not a personal attack on your skill, so I am confused as to why you have chosen to attack mine. All i meant was what guidelines are you using to measure skill? K:D ratio? Survivability? wts clue, this is a morale boost thread on the contrary, thats why i asked not to nominate own corps/alliances.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.02 08:59:00 - [22] O.k i have removed alot of off topic posts, please, if you are going to post in a thread can you make your post relevent to the OP, if you wish to discuss anything else feel free to make a new thread about it. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. Who cares why

darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:13:00 - [23] in actual skill points or in skill?. ccp done a top 3 of pvp corps a while back. it was an actual skillpoints average. dont recall the exact top 3 though. d solo.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:15:00 - [24] Originally by: darth solo in actual skill points or in skill?. ccp done a top 3 of pvp corps a while back. it was an actual skillpoints average. dont recall the exact top 3 though. d solo. in skill ofc, guess for sp we could ask officials to help us ? hutch care to enlight us in that too ? :)
unos Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:26:00 - [25] Originally by: darth solo in actual skill points or in skill?. ccp done a top 3 of pvp corps a while back. it was an actual skillpoints average. dont recall the exact top 3 though. d solo. The top 5 corporations with the highest average 'combat' skillpoints with membercount >25 This is according to the latest E-ON magazine. (issue #007) 1.The Corporation 2. Finite Horizon 3. DNA 4. BDCI 5. 0utbreak Latest kill
ScoRpS 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 09:37:00 - [26] section 13 from tcf alliance fatal revelations from the alliance i cant quite remember the name of... taosp from another alliance i cant remember.. burn eden mostly non allied SAS from the invisible alliance Section 13, whenever i see these guys in the opposing gang i know its gonna be a good fight, good skills. Fatal Revelations, these guys are up for fights and really aggressive with it, love it. TAOSP, no doubt about it, this corp harbours some big names in eve. Burn Eden, have caused so much drama through their tactics and stuff but have adapted and stood the test of time really well. and pretty darn good aswell. SAS, I remember these guys pvp'in when i was still working on warp disruptor skills. Been around and very highly skilled, if u see them its probably too late.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:26:00 - [27] As far as pure average skill goes I vote for The Establishment. - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Patso Tappaja Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:38:00 - [28] If you count K:D. I would have to say Kemono had pretty good K:D and they where decent PvP corp in skill.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Patso Tappaja If you count K:D. I would have to say eXtas had pretty good K:D and they where decent PvP corp in skill. Corrected it for you :PPP Just kidding though. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
tEvEy Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:13:00 - [30] FIRMA FTW
Buzee Flight Of Fantasy	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:18:00 - [31] please stop putting FATAL on any pretty boy list m'kay, they know who gives them a good beating anyday :P
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:21:00 - [32] Edited by: Ozstar on 02/07/2007 11:20:02 Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Patso Tappaja If you count K:D. I would have to say eXtas had pretty good K:D and they where decent PvP corp in skill. Corrected it for you :PPP Just kidding though. rofl i thought the same thing, eXtas pwns hard :) ---
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:35:00 - [33] Cataclysm Enterprises for 0.0 warfare. Seraphin Technologies is quite high up that scale aswell. Infinitus Odium for low security warfare. Veto right after that.
heavyg Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:44:00 - [34] K/D has NOTHING to do with ability to PvP, only Gank and Hide. Not hard to get a good ratio, only fight if the numbers are WAY in your favor, otherwise run and hide. This is not PvP but cowadice. If our.totalfirepower > thier.totalfirepower then engage else hide The real pvp corps will take on a gang even if the numbers are higher not just sit 150 off a gate cloaked with a cloaked dictor on the gate and only uncloak for a hauler gank.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:01:00 - [35] Originally by: heavyg K/D has NOTHING to do with ability to PvP, only Gank and Hide. Not hard to get a good ratio, only fight if the numbers are WAY in your favor, otherwise run and hide. This is not PvP but cowadice. If our.totalfirepower > thier.totalfirepower then engage else hide The real pvp corps will take on a gang even if the numbers are higher not just sit 150 off a gate cloaked with a cloaked dictor on the gate and only uncloak for a hauler gank. i never said only that is main thing to show someone skill. but it still should be taken into consideration. you can have corp who always suicides in blobs, will that make them good pvpers ? :P
IamBen Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: heavyg K/D has NOTHING to do with ability to PvP, only Gank and Hide. Not hard to get a good ratio, only fight if the numbers are WAY in your favor, otherwise run and hide. This is not PvP but cowadice. If our.totalfirepower > thier.totalfirepower then engage else hide The real pvp corps will take on a gang even if the numbers are higher not just sit 150 off a gate cloaked with a cloaked dictor on the gate and only uncloak for a hauler gank. i never said only that is main thing to show someone skill. but it still should be taken into consideration. you can have corp who always suicides in blobs, will that make them good pvpers ? :P Yes.
heavyg Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:19:00 - [37] Edited by: heavyg on 02/07/2007 12:18:38 Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: heavyg K/D has NOTHING to do with ability to PvP, only Gank and Hide. Not hard to get a good ratio, only fight if the numbers are WAY in your favor, otherwise run and hide. This is not PvP but cowadice. If our.totalfirepower > thier.totalfirepower then engage else hide The real pvp corps will take on a gang even if the numbers are higher not just sit 150 off a gate cloaked with a cloaked dictor on the gate and only uncloak for a hauler gank. i never said only that is main thing to show someone skill. but it still should be taken into consideration. you can have corp who always suicides in blobs, will that make them good pvpers ? :P No that is not good PvP either. I would say, if you were to take your gang against another equal sized gang, which corps make your sphinchter tighten? Not including MGRL ofc
Jack Archer GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:22:00 - [38] Lotka Voltera, Rens911, Goonfleet boyaa~ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:56:00 - [39] Originally by: heavyg Edited by: heavyg on 02/07/2007 12:18:38 Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: heavyg K/D has NOTHING to do with ability to PvP, only Gank and Hide. Not hard to get a good ratio, only fight if the numbers are WAY in your favor, otherwise run and hide. This is not PvP but cowadice. If our.totalfirepower > thier.totalfirepower then engage else hide The real pvp corps will take on a gang even if the numbers are higher not just sit 150 off a gate cloaked with a cloaked dictor on the gate and only uncloak for a hauler gank. i never said only that is main thing to show someone skill. but it still should be taken into consideration. you can have corp who always suicides in blobs, will that make them good pvpers ? :P No that is not good PvP either. I would say, if you were to take your gang against another equal sized gang, which corps make your sphinchter tighten? Not including MGRL ofc rofl, yes i guess it can be said that way :D
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:01:00 - [40] For a single corp: Establishment or Veto. Both groups by themselves have the rocks to take on almost anything they come up against. Much respect to both groups for their pilots. Burn Eden rely alot on alts in NPC corps which technically takes them out of the running. Burn Eden would probably beat them hands down otherwise. Cythrawl DEFY Director Omele Du Fromage? =+=+=+=+=+=+= Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:10:00 - [41] Celes <3 Infod :) --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:33:00 - [42] Sera Just quietly efficient killers.
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:26:00 - [43] System-Lords Magnificent Beavers and Mercenary Forces (from EXM) The Movement (before they started teaming up with TURBY) The Short Bus Squad (always respected these guys, shame to see them disband) Unrepentant Inc (we have our arguments, but when it comes down to it, the few guys in RPNT have a hell of a lot of skill and never run away from a fight) * Those that exceedingly lack in the skill department (from my recent encounters) include: Only kidding, I'm not that harsh! Latest Video, Click Here!
Naruto Hunter Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:01:00 - [44] S.A.S. hands down. By far the best corp for empire warfare, well organized, always achieving the goals they set (and not small or easy stuff that is).
Cartboard Box Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:45:00 - [45] Endgame. [END.]
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:06:00 - [46] Tbh i only wanna judge non-alliance corps, because we all know that bob and mc are pretty decent pvpers. 1. outbreak 2. dna (yea im an ifni fanboi ) 3. sas 4. viper squad
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 02/07/2007 07:42:31 Not including any MC corps. Concord 0utbreak Concord definately has thier **** together. But I want to know where they get all their wonderful toys. They've come along way since the days of Zombie tanking them in Yulai.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn The Movement (before they started teaming up with TURBY) poor turby
Chuck Dawg Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:38:00 - [49] I would have to say Triumvirate shines top on my list but it may just be because they're the one's who are always trying to hunt us down. lol I've only seen them bring capitals twice I believe and yet they inflict heavy losses and, seemingly, strike fear into people. And thus they get my vote. If I wanted to put the use of capitals into the equation then it would be MC. They bring the heat with them like nobody else. Almost arrogant about not thinking they can lose any of them, which they seemingly hardly ever do. For being so small they accomplish more than alliances 3x their size seem capable of. Burn Eden has a lot of respect but I don't feel compelled to give it to them. They use the same old and played out tactic. Yeah it works and gets them lots of kills with minimal losses, but this is a game. War is hell, in real life. But this is a game and should be played as such. Games are meant to be fun and to me what they pull isn't fun. But hey to each his own and its a dog eat dog world after all is said and done.
Hudsonn Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:46:00 - [50] INFOD and HSY, obviously. ___________________________
spoon2 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:54:00 - [51] Best I've fought Outbreak (When they were Battle Angels). Also Good who I've fought The Establishment and Burn Eden. Best I've flown with not including Slackers are, MC (mentioning old corps the Original Contraband Inc are the best I've seen surpassing any mentioned here). BoB Cult of Cwythla however you spell it the old corp prior to OO.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:54:00 - [52] People that I've actually fought against: Solar Dragons and CELES are the only two corps that stick in the mind for their excellence (and maybe REUNION). People I've fought alongside: SERA (in V and MC), A-WAR and all of MC. - - - - - - - - - -
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:33:00 - [53] things you should take into consideration when evaluating a pvp corp... 1- raw prowess, of course 2- ability to field a force and meet a challenge within a discrete timeframe. Also known as logistical and tactical ability. 3- sportsmanship/demeanor of their pilots 4- Whether or not Marko is the CEO.
Naurhir Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:40:00 - [54] In the past I would have put FZN highest on this pedestal. DNA is pretty cool as well. Establishment, 0utbreak and Burn Eden would make my list too. Used to hate seeing Celtic, SAS, or Rage and Terror in local as well.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:49:00 - [55] I've always thought of COL and RAT. as a group of very skilled pilots, not only in skillpoints but individual skill as well. All smack and grudges aside, they're pretty damn good in my opinion. And outbreak of course makes me wet. Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:03:00 - [56] best pvp corp i think, was omega corp. maybe dead now but was great though outnumberd all the time and the leroy spirit
Dr Smythe Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:17:00 - [57] I'm going back in time here as the corp is now in stasis. Sha Kharn Corp In my time I learned most of what I know about close combat pvp and small fun skirmishes with the likes of Riddlock, Drift Spec, Sulfon, YoYo Mama, Icey Reloaded, Jasmine Dupre, Sha Kharn himself, Snake Death, TheOffSpring, Sladge Bruty, Zungen, Metacannibal but to name a few. Great times. Some of us are still fighting together in BoB, some are with MC some are with STK some are else where but they are all having fun I can guarantee you that much :D
Raznarok Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Don ZOLA DNA - dunno name of their new experiment corp so ill call them DNA :) Applied Eugenics/DNA - and I agree. D00M Viper Squad Dirty Deeds Corp Dark Cartel
Plaetean Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:49:00 - [59] MD-K -----
Imode 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:30:00 - [60] Applied Eugenics - Back when these guys were mostly in FZN they had me cowering my stations for hours on end while giving lessons on the unforgiveness of 0.0 space. I hated them then, but will always respect what they were able to do with so few. Outbreak - Possibly a shameless plug. This may be my own corporation, but I am constantly amazed at what a lot of the individual members can pull off. Marko, Dave Tehsulei, Zeroh, FraXy and many more-- it's incredibly humbling to be a part of it. Rage and Terror/Xenobytes - Ignoring the allegations of exploiting, these guys have been powerhouses of the south for as long as I can remember. Overflowing with competent FC's, a ridiculously deadly capital fleet, their own Titan and what seems like the Russian ability to just appear out of nowhere-- evil stuff.
Gerome Doutrande Rue Morgue	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:42:00 - [61] someone recruit zola already before he starts to cry.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:53:00 - [62] Id say the answer is simple to find and easy to know because if your looking at non lag ops that show pure skill your lookin at small gangs. So id say its whoever wins the torneys they are 0 lag 0 blob its down to the know how of the pilots. Any thing else is about either numbers or style of play. ie; Outbreak are superb at there type of hit and run. MC ftw in pos warfare and on and on depending on the circumstances of the engagment who is flyin and who there attacking. But with the tourneys the players get to choose the ship type, mods all within certain limits. and all know the type and size of the playing field. So it comes down to good choices of ships/fittings, good fc'ing, fast thinking and reactions to a scenario, adaptability and as with all situations combat, real, or otherwise a bit of luck.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:59:00 - [63] Outbreak. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:06:00 - [64] OMG, the first 2 alliance tournaments were so far removed from pvp that it was stupid. The thrid initially resembled pvp but then the rules were modified and it became an abortion that barely represented true pvp. I am excited about the new rules as it more closely resembles true pvp. But again LOL at you for thinking the winner of the PVP tournaments is automatically the best pvp force in the game P.S. LOL at you again, I mean really.... LOL
Sutter Kane Caldari Zombie Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:10:00 - [65] Zombie inc.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Evil Pookie P.S. LOL at you again, I mean really.... LOL in my opinion, two lols in the such close proxminity is just rong
Traffic Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:13:00 - [67] ATUK
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:16:00 - [68] From all corps i have seen till now? CELES hands down.
ignisgunner Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:18:00 - [69] Edited by: ignisgunner on 02/07/2007 21:20:04 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor wow lol....okay okay back to topic Rage and terror...like these dudes are super sneaky evil russians Mass...need i say more
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:20:00 - [70] The Establishment Outbreak Cruel Intentions <-- I know it's an alliance but I can't differentiate between the corps so meh ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:40:00 - [71] the only people i worry about when i see in local are RAT
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:46:00 - [72] Originally by: Evil Pookie OMG, the first 2 alliance tournaments were so far removed from pvp that it was stupid. The thrid initially resembled pvp but then the rules were modified and it became an abortion that barely represented true pvp. I am excited about the new rules as it more closely resembles true pvp. But again LOL at you for thinking the winner of the PVP tournaments is automatically the best pvp force in the game P.S. LOL at you again, I mean really.... LOL Seems to me that running a gank squad against a certain type of foe and getting kills is yes pvp but only a certain type of skill. If you judge by getting space cleared and gaining outposts MC ftw. But they do not keep them so what else shall you judge by?. I suppose burnt edens tactics?. are you the best at your style?. Are outbreak?. Its easy to get kills if your specialised and do not wanna build a 0.0 alliance with outposts and just fly around popping ships chosen by the criteria and situation that suits your style and fleet. Its also easy to out blob does that make goons and there pets the best?. So before you scoff and LOL or flash your killboard or your knowledge of your style of pvp why do you not try a level playing field like the tourney to be judged on or have you already and been found wanting?. Asking who is the best PVP corp is a to broad a question because theres to many forms of pvp. The question should be who is best at what type ie; pos, small gang, sniper gank and the rest. then make a list of types and ranks. But like it or not the tourneys still give a better view of who make the best all round teams out of a corp. And if thats not you or yours then i suppose you would mock them and anybody else for suggesting that they be the instrument we measure skill, team work and all the other things that make good pvpers. I say you stick to your own style if your so afraid of getting out of your comfort zone and avoid the tourney. It sounds like you prefer the admiration others give you for your style and type of pvp than to risk losing that admiration by failing the challenge of a level or unfamiliar playing field.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:55:00 - [73] Small part of outbreak like 10% of people, during time, when they havent start to recruit everybody who : "you was + at the time while we were fix, so we will recruit you". Old hardcore triade + battle angels crew. S.A.S. : Creative, hardcore, adapted to "bring moar supercapitals" stuff. TAOSP : 80% of "you are my old friend, so wellcome to my corp", but they have few ppl like TWD, who is selfish moron, but very good @ pvp. And they have Farjung, who is loved by everybody, his mom, his dog and cat (also good covert ops)
Stribog Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:57:00 - [74] RAT are really really good at what they do, god damn those maxed skilled probers.
Kaleeb Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:58:00 - [75] Not many corps I like atm really, the ones that still stand out are: 1. RAT 2. Some of Outbreak 3. DNA
RacerX1 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:58:00 - [76] Edited by: RacerX1 on 02/07/2007 21:59:41 Originally by: slothe the only people i worry about when i see in local are RAT amen to that...RAT is the one corp I get nervous about in local anymore. They are truly evil people. We constantly fought them while in the Triad, and it was always 50/50 I was gonna die.
MINERALMAN UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:10:00 - [77] 1. RAT ( with ET:) i love that dude... ) 2. Evolution 3. UAI ( one of the oldest players) 4. DICE( cause it's ex atuk) 5. Xenobytes 6. Solar Dragons( cause i like MACTEP) and dont give a ....... about the rest... the rest are to young for me. ps... East Side is da Best
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:20:00 - [78] 1. Snigg 2. NESW Yes both are in pandemic however NESW i have fought both with and against.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:21:00 - [79] Rage and Terror - Nasty to fight, but man they drop great loot. Wreckless Abandon - Gets associated rep from a few superstars, but those stars are very good. Mercenary Forces - Haven't fought them recently, but they were skillful and smack-free when we did.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:29:00 - [80] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 02/07/2007 22:29:36 Originally by: Forty Three The Establishment Outbreak Cruel Intentions <-- I know it's an alliance but I can't differentiate between the corps so meh yay..bout time someone mentioned us We had a sweet fight against you guys, out numbered in G-5 recently, then we went on to fight CVA with the remainder of our gang, and killed a lot of them too..tbh we were after them nasty slavers, you guys just got in the way I think you were in tempest mate, but you got to love the Vaga in close range stuff like that. I vote UK, because they fight outnumbered and are "underdogs"...and minie rules Edit: spelling I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Pigvar Molestor Caldari EarthPig ArmPit Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:44:00 - [81] Originally by: Evil Pookie OMG, the first 2 alliance tournaments were so far removed from pvp that it was stupid. The thrid initially resembled pvp but then the rules were modified and it became an abortion that barely represented true pvp. I am excited about the new rules as it more closely resembles true pvp. But again LOL at you for thinking the winner of the PVP tournaments is automatically the best pvp force in the game P.S. LOL at you again, I mean really.... LOL Is there any corp that BE have met several times that actually try fighting back by attacking? That jump into your gate camp now and then full gung ho and can get a little handful of respect from BE for trying? I believe that none of the mentioned corp`s in this thread have done that and if Pookie can mention one that have balls it would end on my list..
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:48:00 - [82] Edited by: welsh wizard on 02/07/2007 22:48:05 In no particular order: I would say Outbreak/ba & E.R. but I'm part of one and the other doesn't exist anymore. Why these two? Because in my old corp we fought both and got battered by both. The only two corps I believe we came off with a negative ratio against over more than a week. celes - Still has a few of the veterans that made it so great back in the day. For a while my old corp could do no wrong, I miss the old days. bnc - not a fan of the alliance but they sure know how to play eve. bnc stood out the most for me on the battlefield. My last choice was a difficult one, I believe burn eden are a force to be reckoned with but I just don't think they'd cut it in a slugging match with a grass roots battleship corp, not in ravens anyway :P. They get an honourable mention for their ability to kill stuff without losing stuff though. rat - As some of my corp mates have said rat can play with the nerves a bit. I think part of it is the cold russian thing. Their corp is unknown to most of us just like the russian community. Fear of the unknown I guess. :E
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:01:00 - [83] Originally by: welsh wizard The only two corps I believe we came off with a negative ratio against over more than a week. aww welshy, I am fairly certain that you had to remove us from active campaigns as you dropped below 50% But I have fought you whilst in MOM, and D2, and have to admit, Outbreak taught me a lesson or three You guys kind of rock a little...ok maybe quite a lot I, erm, like kill things and stuff
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:03:00 - [84] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: welsh wizard The only two corps I believe we came off with a negative ratio against over more than a week. aww welshy, I am fairly certain that you had to remove us from active campaigns as you dropped below 50% But I have fought you whilst in MOM, and D2, and have to admit, Outbreak taught me a lesson or three You guys kind of rock a little...ok maybe quite a lot I'm talking about Celes dude :P
Z33ro Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:05:00 - [85] 0utbreak
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:16:00 - [86] Originally by: welsh wizard I'm talking about Celes dude :P ooops..so you are Oh well...you are still damm good, and we are not so shabby either I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Mythrell Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:34:00 - [87] I have to go with couple alliances / corps (can't really separate one corp from alliances in my books) Outbreak: They bring best BS to support ratio I've seen every time, also their sabre pilots are damn good Burn Eden: They have mastered their style, maybe not most honorable way of doing things but sure is effective. Mercenary Coalition: They're best I've fought against in overall EVE warfare.
Stockarian eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:45:00 - [88] Contraband Mercenary Forces Outbreak To save time, why don't you avoid the facts and get right to the spin.
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:58:00 - [89] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar aww welshy, I am fairly certain that you had to remove us from active campaigns as you dropped below 50% I created a campaign for you because I expected to have fights. When it turned into a non-event I dropped it. Our killboard campaigns section is cluttered enough as it is. I reinstated the campaign for you, I'll remove it in a day or two. *****.
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:02:00 - [90] Originally by: Kaleeb Not many corps I like atm really, the ones that still stand out are: 1. RAT 2. Some of Outbreak 3. DNA Very close to my thoughts, not the massive fleet killing mass gankage, but more the lag free hunter killer head of the food-chain type thing...based on pure firepower and tactical prowess related to numbers in gang etc (involving historical license here as several are inactive, also leaving out any my mains have flown with) 1. SAS 2. DNA 3. RAT 4. MC 5. Outbreak 6. Killer Clowns from outer space (where did they go :( 7. Tundragon and other gate camping nasties that made low sec entertaining 8. ASS in the Lord Mix days Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out
Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:05:00 - [91] Edited by: Ifni on 03/07/2007 00:04:48 Of the corporations I've met I would have to list the following (that are around at present, to include older corps would triple the length of this): Omniscient Order - Hardcore and pure. Don't make a mistake around them. The Establishment - Pushing the envelope for a long time with their Mothership. BURN EDEN - Half the time there are twice as many as it appears (NPC corp chars lawl). Notable others, that I see in local, and revise my status accordingly; TAOSP - usually a fleet behind them, quick check the killboard. EVOL 2.0. 0utbreak - Taken on too many 'bulk buy' deals from FIX, but the core and directorate know their stuff. Any Empire gatecamper - means I've messed up and have to rectify it quickly, before I get smartbombed. There are, of course, supplementary to this list, the corporations I fly with, and have been a part of; DNA/AGEN, FZN, GH-SC, BNC, END. ad infinitum. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:36:00 - [92] There's a small but growing EVE-O trend here I thought I'd address. Originally by: Evil Thug Small part of outbreak like 10% of people, during time, when they havent start to recruit everybody who : "you was + at the time while we were fix, so we will recruit you". Old hardcore triade + battle angels crew. Originally by: Ifni 0utbreak - Taken on too many 'bulk buy' deals from FIX, but the core and directorate know their stuff. Originally by: Kaleeb 2. Some of Outbreak The trend is that we accepted some folks who perhaps weren't on the same level as our standard. Let me tell you a bit about Outbreak. We get a lot of potential recruits from folks who we've fought, friends of members who like what they hear, and folks who believe the hype on EVE-O. We can pick and choose amongst them, and we do so, striving to keep a balance between growth and teamwork. We certainly did accept a lot of folks from FIX recently. The perception that because they came from FIX, who is famous as an honorable alliance but not a pvp super-heavyweight, makes the EVE-O crowd think that those FIXies who are now in Outbreak are not at the same level, since Outbreak has the EVE-O hype as being a pvp heavyweight. You folks know me, a bit. You can see that Outbreak is what I've built, with help from my directors and members. Knowing what you know about who I am and what Outbreaks recruitment options are, do you think I'd recruit a bunch of second rate pilots into my corporation, that I would then have to fly with? Every single person we have added to Outbreak from FIX was interviewed and vouched for, analyzed for over a month, and then added to the roster. They earned the right to be here by convincing myself and my staff that they could kill. I'm not sleeping on the job. The future will look like the past, but there will be more killmails.
Hamatitio Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:47:00 - [93] Originally by: Marko Debreault stuff Game. Set. Match. Hijack this
WildSide Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:48:00 - [94] Originally by: Shiva Shakti Originally by: Kaleeb Not many corps I like atm really, the ones that still stand out are: 8. ASS in the Lord Mix days Yarr too bad lordi ist around anymore....damn 8 heatsink nerf...>.< I dunno whos the best or not....guess its kinda impossible to say... ---Living In Norway--- ---Made In Thailand---
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:00:00 - [95] Had a nice thought out response written out and then realized it would just get misunderstood and flamed. So I decided to leave everyone with the following UDIE.. Pretty much sums it up.
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:55:00 - [96] Looking at some of the responses here, it saddens me to see a few of the corps that blatently lack skill, but have massive epeens that everyone knows about them. Not mentioning any specifics, some of the corps listed may have a few good players (individuals that perhaps make movies or do a lot of solo work, and therefore have a commonly known name), but no real knowledge of tactics or strategy. Like I said, I won't mention specifics, but to name a few examples of events that have happened regarding some of the named corps in this thread (that supposedly have skill) that prove they really don't: One corp listed recently attacked a System-Lords 5-man gate camp with 7 BS, and two carriers. That same corp also dropped a carrier on me and one other person while we were in command ships. Another corp (after losing a 10vs12 fight in their favour) then got jumped back in to system and dropped two MOTHERSHIPS on our fleet while we were collecting loot (note that our fleet consisted of less than 5 BS and support, no capitals). That same corp spent 2 hours baiting me and another member with 4 BS (ie Command+BS vs 4 BS) but always docked, finally warping in 15... FIFTEEN ships, BS heavy, to take us out. I have also had various run-ins with other corps listed where the lack of skill suprised me. Just a shame really thinking about what people are basing this on. Personally, to me, taking a fleet of 21 and engaging a fleet of 44 and winning (with 8 losses and 35 kills) for example shows skill. Seeing a few people in a few videos, and judging the corp is an entirely different thing. Latest Video, Click Here!
Tbone Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:55:00 - [97] Edited by: Tbone on 03/07/2007 01:54:16 I have alot of respect for alot of corps. The ones i list are just my top choices. Veto EST any corp don ZOLA is in and any corp Marko is in. Forgot to add my lovebirds from DNA also. IFNI, ONE PERCENT. ----------------------------------------------- Finite Horizon
Ravelin Eb Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:56:00 - [98] aww come on SATAN, grace us with your well thought out list :(
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.03 02:13:00 - [99] RAT. - The Red Army. They are dead serious about everything and they are the boogeymen of eve. Xenobytes - Same stop fudging with my sig :( waves -HornFrog
EinaruS Rage Academy oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.03 03:22:00 - [100] criteria is a corp that has no deadweights, all players in corp would constitute really good pvpers so i guess all i can think of are Burn Eden and SAS. there are probably more corps that have all top notch pvpers but maybe think more about just fighting than maintaining ratio, burn eden for example play really smart and therefore dont engage when there is much doubt (i'm sorry im not flaming you guys, you often engage incredible odds) as for corps that you've named like outbreak and taosp i think they're too big for you to be able to state they have highest average skill(although i can't be sure they aren't either), obviously very effective but still probably some low skilled ones. if there's someone good at the helm that person or those people can almost nullify a couple of "deadweights". - A finger...especially the middle one, is worth more than any amount of isk
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.03 03:34:00 - [101] thx for the E-R mention welsh, we had great fights. CELES are kool. E-R is dead, but most of the original members live on in shiny alliance, so we're still about, still flying with the same people, just with a shinier banner :) As for my list.. Omninicient order (spelling) Outbreak - cos theres ex E-R in it :) Cartel Alliance - good lads oooh Shiny!!! "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 04:40:00 - [102] Of the ones I have faced, MDK and Burn Eden are both awesome, and garner my complete respect.
Dave Tehsulei 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:12:00 - [103] Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 03/07/2007 05:11:17 I think its hard (if not impossible) for any mega corp to keep the standard up. I can't think of any sizeable corp around atm that hasnÆt made sacrifices on individual quality to pad the numbers a little. Outbreak included. My short list of best corps "evah!" has gotten even shorter lately a lot my old favourites have died and reformed and died again each time loosing a bit of their former glory - then again I could be wrong . DNA - go back to using the old name its much better! The Establishment - its always fun running away from that nyx Omniscient order - always deserve a mention, time has been rough on the corp but they are still top notch (not sure I like all the new faces).
Darpz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:36:00 - [104] Originally by: Marko Debreault There's a small but growing EVE-O trend here I thought I'd address. Originally by: Evil Thug Small part of outbreak like 10% of people, during time, when they havent start to recruit everybody who : "you was + at the time while we were fix, so we will recruit you". Old hardcore triade + battle angels crew. Originally by: Ifni 0utbreak - Taken on too many 'bulk buy' deals from FIX, but the core and directorate know their stuff. Originally by: Kaleeb 2. Some of Outbreak The trend is that we accepted some folks who perhaps weren't on the same level as our standard. Let me tell you a bit about Outbreak. We get a lot of potential recruits from folks who we've fought, friends of members who like what they hear, and folks who believe the hype on EVE-O. We can pick and choose amongst them, and we do so, striving to keep a balance between growth and teamwork. We certainly did accept a lot of folks from FIX recently. The perception that because they came from FIX, who is famous as an honorable alliance but not a pvp super-heavyweight, makes the EVE-O crowd think that those FIXies who are now in Outbreak are not at the same level, since Outbreak has the EVE-O hype as being a pvp heavyweight. You folks know me, a bit. You can see that Outbreak is what I've built, with help from my directors and members. Knowing what you know about who I am and what Outbreaks recruitment options are, do you think I'd recruit a bunch of second rate pilots into my corporation, that I would then have to fly with? Every single person we have added to Outbreak from FIX was interviewed and vouched for, analyzed for over a month, and then added to the roster. They earned the right to be here by convincing myself and my staff that they could kill. I'm not sleeping on the job. The future will look like the past, but there will be more killmails. outbreak to me will always represent the fix that I fought before fix lost its way. (they lost there way somewhere between the Coalition vs Fix War and the CODA Wars) Now I just wish you would jump into us and give us a fight next time were on opposit sides of a gate :P
Raham Teeth Of The Hydra R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.03 05:41:00 - [105] The most fear inspiring corps for me: Rage and terror, some of the best pvpers I've ever fought against The Establishment, didn't even know who they were until my nighthawk got nyx-ganked. I watch more carefully now Outbreak, they're just very good at killing people Burn eden, great stats tho controversial methods
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:27:00 - [106] Edited by: Logi3 on 03/07/2007 08:26:54 Other then VETO i would say Snigg. One time sticks to mind was a small - mid size gang of Inty's, HACs, Cruisers and 2 BS's flying under Shamis on our usual killing patrol looking for KOS etc Well, i was scouting. I reported what i seen and the decision was made to go in after them, but they jumped. so, we all jumped in and jumped to the nexto gate and jumped on contact, a bit hasty. But, we sat under cloak and out numbered, not by a massive amount. Say we had 10 they had 15, more HACs and 2 more BS's. Order was given to stay cloaked while Shamis quickly organised who was doing what and who was primary, secondery etc. Within 45 seconds everyone knew what to do and we uncloaked and proceeded to rape, to make things more interesting. Some others warped in after most of there fleet, Domi, Zealot and Sac i think. But, 0 losess on our side. Great Leadership Great Communication Goreat Organisation
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:07:00 - [107] -ASCN -KOS -xelas -fatal -sparta -soul of fountain truly fearsome alliances
Eamz Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:09:00 - [108] CELES ATUK DNA Tundragons BE
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:23:00 - [109] Quote: Infinitus Odium for low security warfare. That's what you guys are calling gate-camps nowadays? Low-sec warfare? LOL! _________________________________________________________
BlackHorizon Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:24:00 - [110] Spartan Industries RAT TAOSP
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:47:00 - [111] Originally by: mazzilliu -ASCN -KOS -xelas -fatal -sparta -soul of fountain truly fearsome alliances But mazz! This is about corps! My own (serious) picks would be: RAT - hell I'd be scared to fight WITH these guys with ET in charge Chaos Reborn - because CERTAIN PEOPLE would complain if I didn't name them DKOD - hey BH I would have named Outbreak up til this weekend, when they refused to jump into us even with superior numbers and firepower. Come on guys, win me back over! --
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.03 11:31:00 - [112] Originally by: tEvEy FIRMA FTW firma is dkod Brute Force Film
SephiriotH REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 11:48:00 - [113] For the ones I fought against , most "adrenaline" memories goes to : 1. Finfleet . 2. Burn Eden . 3. BDCI . Remember : With a bad word and good torpedo you are always hurting more then with a bad word alone.
heavyg Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 11:48:00 - [114] Originally by: Darpz Now I just wish you would jump into us and give us a fight next time were on opposit sides of a gate :P [/quote After you good sir :)
Chantary Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.03 11:50:00 - [115] Originally by: Jack Archer Lotka Voltera, Rens911, Goonfleet boyaa~ Rens 911 are just some random exploiters as my corp saw yesterday Section XIII, RKK, BE...and one corp of RA i can't remember the name of ----------------------------------------------- When the opposing team has the ball on your five yard line, arguing about what kind of beer is being drunk in the parking lot is stupid
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:36:00 - [116] atuk
Bionicle Minmatar ShadowTec Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:38:00 - [117] I know, just active corps...but i couldnt resist and just list RONA-Kia from back in the days. Some of the old-timers might remember them. Again I know, im biased because i was with them but damn, was lots of fun up in the north.
Rutoo Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:42:00 - [118] A Top PvP Corp is one is not afraid to lose their ships. To Many "PvP" Corps Run away when against the odds. That being said if you see a IEEX Only Gang we are prepared to die. _________________________________________________________ My Second EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:49:00 - [119] Xenobytes -(creamster,dewie good pvp'rs) MASS -(some of the oldest eve players i know) BE -(love em or hate em they are the kings of gank.....would like to see em try hold space tho) COL - (good guys amazing pvp'rs, at least the COL i knw anyways) and can i get some clarification that SERA who joined MC are the same ex-SA SERA ran by LD who left to create -V- alliance? ---------------------------------------------
gaaksel Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:52:00 - [120] 1.) Outbreak 2.) RAT 3.) Omniscient Order All of the above are corps that bring a fight without waiting for a 200man blob and are fun to fight. These are the ones i get excited when i see them in local.
Basilii Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:18:00 - [121] RAT.- ofc Outbreak UAI COL TAOSP Dice celes Dkod sdg MC corps Cruel Intensions corps
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:28:00 - [122] I realy do not think a gank squad can be chosen, somone with space that needs to be held and defended should be the winner. Ive ran gank squads and our kill-loss ratio was uber about 20 billion in kills to about 200 mil in losses over about 1 week. So if voting for gankers even pro's we should vote for pirates they get more kills than anybody but i do not see any on here.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:36:00 - [123] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean I realy do not think a gank squad can be chosen, somone with space that needs to be held and defended should be the winner. Ive ran gank squads and our kill-loss ratio was uber about 20 billion in kills to about 200 mil in losses over about 1 week. So if voting for gankers even pro's we should vote for pirates they get more kills than anybody but i do not see any on here. well i said that skill only should be taken into, but people obviously dont read...
Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:39:00 - [124] Originally by: Vando I would have named Outbreak up til this weekend, when they refused to jump into us even with superior numbers and firepower. Come on guys, win me back over! Wouldn't you have just loved that? -----------------------------------------------
Kadean Gallente GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:04:00 - [125] I'd have to say: Outbreak BE Visual ID MC
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:07:00 - [126] Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: Vando I would have named Outbreak up til this weekend, when they refused to jump into us even with superior numbers and firepower. Come on guys, win me back over! Wouldn't you have just loved that? Probably not, you know you had way more people + firepower than us, right? I was cacking it, personally --
Francis Reighn Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:07:00 - [127] 1. A-War (pepperami fanboi ) 2. Outbreak 3. Celes 4. MDK 5. Burn Eden
Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:35:00 - [128] Originally by: Dave Tehsulei Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 03/07/2007 05:11:17 I think its hard (if not impossible) for any mega corp to keep the standard up. I can't think of any sizeable corp around atm that hasnÆt made sacrifices on individual quality to pad the numbers a little. Outbreak included. Ya, individual quality is one point. But not everyone is born to pwn solo like some I know . And to those of you who question our growth, I guess it's only natural to do so. Lot's of corps have risen and broke due to saturation. But I have complete faith in leadership that they adjust and adapt as needed. This questioning also tells me that some are afraid of what we've 0utbreak has become. We're a roaming corp with the potential of becoming a bohemoth of an alliance-like entity that can dispute territory at will. And franky, I know some of you just don't want us to grow because of it. But don't worry, I don't see it happening any time soon . Like I said, sure not everyone is a solo pwnmobile but everyone is willing to go down in blaze of glory in the name of teamwork and fun. It's just that we pick up folks who do all this efficiently and with style . Mainly I'd like to point out that as a whole, 0utbreak steps up to whatever comes our way. If an enemy is willing to fight without super blobbing us and its not a trap (i.e. we're not stupid), rest assured that we'll bring it. Originally by: Marko Debreault The future will look like the past, but there will be more killmails. My sentiments exactly . -----------------------------------------------
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:40:00 - [129] Originally by: Borg017 If an enemy is willing to fight without super blobbing us and its not a trap (i.e. we're not stupid), rest assured that we'll bring it. I promise there was no trap! --
Silverized 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:44:00 - [130] MD-K (because they bring it up close and so few people are casusing so much devestation) ------------------------------
Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:46:00 - [131] Originally by: Vando Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: Vando I would have named Outbreak up til this weekend, when they refused to jump into us even with superior numbers and firepower. Come on guys, win me back over! Wouldn't you have just loved that? Probably not, you know you had way more people + firepower than us, right? I was cacking it, personally No, we didn't have way more people than you. And just because one has more fire power, doesn't really mean too much imho. Much more to it than just sheer force (although it has a lot to do with it ). Also, not making excuses, but lag was also taken into consideration with us being the ones jumping in. p.s. - WTF IS UP WITH THE LAG IN THE NORTH?!? How the **** do you guys manage to play up there? Jeebus, never seen anything like that before . -----------------------------------------------
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:59:00 - [132] Originally by: Dave Tehsulei Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 03/07/2007 05:11:17 I think its hard (if not impossible) for any mega corp to keep the standard up. I can't think of any sizeable corp around atm that hasnÆt made sacrifices on individual quality to pad the numbers a little. Outbreak included. This is one thing I've always been mindful of in The Establishment. We have remained a very small corp (20 current members) in order to keep a tight team together and we try to be quite strict on who we let in. Thats not to say we are all solo pwnmobiles either (not counting Hera), we are actually quite a diverse bunch in terms of how we play the game which has given us a broader range of options in how we attain our goals. We might not be able to challenge Alliances on the scale of 0utbreak given our numbers, but we certainly remain a very real menace to contend with. On topic: I would have to say 0utbreak. The Establishment is at your service...
Brox alDragoran Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:01:00 - [133] MC are very good at what they do. Outbreak are also dangerous they fight hard and smart.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:08:00 - [134] well, Ex ATUK (today DICE)
Jhonen Senraedi Minmatar Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:13:00 - [135] Best single corp I have been in combat against and feel are a cut above others...the OP's....Omniscient Order...
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:27:00 - [136] Originally by: Borg017 p.s. - WTF IS UP WITH THE LAG IN THE NORTH?!? How the **** do you guys manage to play up there? Jeebus, never seen anything like that before . That's new, its also available in the south --
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:50:00 - [137] Omniscient Order is hands-down the most flexible, talented group of pvp-ers I've ever had to fly against. Outside of large-fleet conflicts with interest to claim sovereignty, they are capable of executing any scale/style of combat at will. Hate 'em or not, Burn Eden have to be mentioned as well. Efficiency, efficiency, efficiency.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:07:00 - [138] Originally by: With JudgeReinhold Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:19:49 Edited by: With JudgeReinhold on 02/07/2007 08:18:44 Originally by: Vital Efters 1v1 goonfleet could beat any corp in eve, that should be the deciding factor I take it you have never flown against Lotka Volterra. Edit: This means I am casting my vote for Lotka Volterra hEll yea LV were an alliance, not a corp. And GS and allies DID fly against them and DID destroy them....so....yea. ------------
Loocoh DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:21:00 - [139] Edited by: Loocoh on 03/07/2007 17:20:31 Originally by: Borg017 p.s. - WTF IS UP WITH THE LAG IN THE NORTH?!? How the **** do you guys manage to play up there? Jeebus, never seen anything like that before . We don¦t. Lag kills most major battles (major, as in more than 20 people involved )
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:40:00 - [140] Cult of Cthulhu, hands down. Sadly they are not around anymore :/.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:44:00 - [141] Originally by: Vando Originally by: Borg017 p.s. - WTF IS UP WITH THE LAG IN THE NORTH?!? How the **** do you guys manage to play up there? Jeebus, never seen anything like that before . That's new, its also available in the south Short and to the point and made me lmfao
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:47:00 - [142] SERA is a top pvp corp. Not often do you ask "so how many caps you guys got?" and get given the response "about 2.5 per member" There's a lot I could mention, but I don't get exceptionally impressed by corps who just wait on their engagements.. As far as I'm concerned we all can do that, good corps have to do that but to be exceptional corps need something extra to impress.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:14:00 - [143] Capital ships make a good corp do they? Interesting theory.
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:20:00 - [144] Originally by: welsh wizard Capital ships make a good corp do they? Interesting theory. Yeh - lets start empire war and they will PWN.. oh wait...
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:22:00 - [145] Edited by: Pepperami on 03/07/2007 18:22:26 Originally by: welsh wizard Capital ships make a good corp do they? Interesting theory. In many ways, yes, if mixed with the right type of players. But the point is, something extra takes a corp from "good" to "top", bob has it with their empire, but that's an easy pick.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:24:00 - [146] Aye you're right of course, I just don't like the bloody things. :P
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:24:00 - [147] [YACAODI1MAC] ? ------
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:34:00 - [148] It should be obvious that there is 'effective' PVP (gets results, captures systems) and then there is 'elite' PVP (adaptable, good and dominating even in small groups, highly skilled). Sometimes they coincide, and then you should be very afraid. This thread, I think, is more about 'elite' PVP. The inclusion of Burn Eden might seem sketchy to some, but they are very very good at what they do, and the fact they survive nearly every attempt to ambush them puts to the lie the notion that they're nothing but unskilled gatecampers. They are HIGHLY skilled gatecampers and probably very good besides. So musings aside... Eternity Inc. TAOSP The Establishment Xenobytes
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:57:00 - [149] The Establishment Great fighters and nice peeps too.
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:13:00 - [150] Anybody who runs a successful gank squad can look good so if you use this as a measure most 0.0 corps could win if you check there kill boards after an op. Not that outbreak or burn eden are not good at what they do. I just know that if i choose 20-40 ppl from most large alliances i could easily match there kill-loss rate. The hac, ac, cs and e-war squad in fatal has a superb kill-loss rate. But like most alliance corps mine holds space so we spend a lot of time defending our space in huge fleet ops. And not ganking solo or small gangs with t2 fitted hac's and other high end ships.
remo man Prophetic Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:25:00 - [151] S.A.S UDIE RAT TAOSP OMNOR SERA
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:59:00 - [152] Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/07/2007 19:58:40 RAT - 'cause they're ebil! The Establishment - 'cause I met 'em in Fountain, and they seem to love fighting outnumbered... Veto - 'cause they're what a true pirate corp should be... Celes - met 'em in Fountain, and had a ball flying with some of 'em...very skilled PVP'ers, and I hope they'll rise to new glory after their maternity leave EDIT: I forgot some corps... Burn Eden - I friggin' hate them, but they're good at what they do, so they deserve a bit of respect... SAS - 'cause they have Sjoor _______________
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:19:00 - [153] Originally by: Ione Hunt Burn Eden - I friggin' hate them, Out of curiosity, why?
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:28:00 - [154] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Ione Hunt Burn Eden - I friggin' hate them, Out of curiosity, why? Why not? It's cool to hate you guys I have never flew against you guys, so the only thing I can say is that, euhh, euhhh, I wouldn't know actually. Back on topic: - RAT, 1 word.....SCARY. - Celes, fuzy guys when you are on there good side, wouldm't stay long around when I'm on there bad side. "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:37:00 - [155] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Ione Hunt Burn Eden - I friggin' hate them, Out of curiosity, why? Not because I ever lost a ship to you guys I just think it's no fun trying to fight you. You're playing it safe, and you're very very good at what you do, but it doesn't provide for fun PVP. You're the masters of gank, which is not what I like about PVP. I don't think engaging 2 of your Ravens is fun just to have 2 more noob corp guys lock me up... On the other side, I had the pleasure of fighting WITH you while I was in Geki, and I have to admit you're VERY good at what you do. And for that you have my respect. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't like your style of PVP...nothing personal. I'm not judging you as a person, just your paly-style... PS: Oh, and you suck at Photoshop _______________
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:56:00 - [156] sigtest
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.04 02:08:00 - [157] Originally by: Ione Hunt PS: Oh, and you suck at Photoshop I remember that, good times Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.07.04 02:15:00 - [158] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Ione Hunt PS: Oh, and you suck at Photoshop I remember that, good times It was all a ploy. St0rmbringer joined BE a while back. John McReedy was on to us so we had to do a double bluff to get everyone off our case
XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.04 02:54:00 - [159] I don't see anyone at the moment as far out-skilling/outwitting any of 20+ other pvp corps, the only thing that sets people apart is numbers and timezone coverage. I'd say many of the TRI corps are equally skilled man to man with outbreak/Snigg/BE on an even playing field, it all generally depends on who's online + the FC's that are available - therefore I believe this sets BoB/MC apart from the rest as they seem to have greater resources and less of the "fat" that are unneccessary in some corps. --------------------------------------
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.04 03:06:00 - [160] Celestial Apocalypse(show that oldskool pvp skill rocks). Omniscient Order(competent pvp'ers with the informational skills that any merc corp should have). Outbreak(highly skilled pvp'ers from around the eve world+the core of Battle Angels). RAT(should always be feared). old DNA(dont know about the new). BCDI and FRICK of MC(same as with Omnar). TAOSP(I have never seen them in combat, but I know a fair share of their players, and they are exceptional). Burn Eden(tired of the tantrum of their tactics - get over it - it works). TunDragon(do they still exist - at any rate they were good) TC (highly skilled swedes - should bring fear into anyones hearts) Blade Runners(Know how to get the job done). I bet there are many more highly skilled pvp corps, but these are the ones i have some sort of knowledge concerning. Think most of the other BoB corps should have a special mention as well. _____________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo _____________________________________ Kreul Intentions is my Guardian Angel
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.04 03:26:00 - [161] Most every post with Burn Eden says something about "lame tactics". To this I ask why are we the king of lame? We dont drop Motherships on top of lone battleships. We dont jump a titan onto a five man gate camp and the get slapped in the face by said Ravens 8). Ha got you on that one Evil Thug. We dont use nano****gotry where you cannot even hit the target (except extas 8P). So why are we kings of "lame"? Is it because we can engage out numbered 40 to 1 and if our abbadon didnt lag up on the jump in we would have technically won the fight? Or is it just out of pure frustration that noone can kill a Navy Raven in 0.0 8P. Just curious WildCat oh and 0utbreak
XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.04 04:18:00 - [162] Originally by: DHB WildCat Most every post with Burn Eden says something about "lame tactics". To this I ask why are we the king of lame? We dont drop Motherships on top of lone battleships. We dont jump a titan onto a five man gate camp and the get slapped in the face by said Ravens 8). Ha got you on that one Evil Thug. We dont use nano****gotry where you cannot even hit the target (except extas 8P). So why are we kings of "lame"? Is it because we can engage out numbered 40 to 1 and if our abbadon didnt lag up on the jump in we would have technically won the fight? Or is it just out of pure frustration that noone can kill a Navy Raven in 0.0 8P. Just curious WildCat oh and 0utbreak I don't think its lame tactics as much as how difficult it is to get into a situation with you guys where both sides can suffer losses - i think that's where people get annoyed. It is possible though, when VSQ by chance warped to the same belt as you in MGAM it could have been the end of your navy raven, just a shame we were lacking on the pilots to do so and the npcs kind of got in our way - however, we could have had your whole gang had we had the right ships/pilots who knew wtf they were doing, however you know your stuff and knew to get out and come back in where killing was possible. I don't think you guys are by any means unbeatable, I just think you present very few chances where killing you is easy and this means that a lot of the mediocre corporations/pilots get slightly peeved You do what you do very well, it's just not my style of pvp. I don't know - PVP only has lustre for me now if i engage 2 vs 5+ in close quarters, but then the next time they always bring double the numbers and you don't get the respect when you run away from certain death. Meh, emo. --------------------------------------
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.04 04:33:00 - [163] So they get mad at me because I wont allow an enemy that outnumbers me or our gang to get on top of me? I got it 8). It would have been interesting that fight Angel. At the time my CNR had 40k armor do you think your 3-4 recons could have survived 7 cruise launchers, and a gank abbadon long enough to kill it? The only reason I warped out was cause local grew from 20 to 34 and we thought there was a lot more of ya 8). But the past is the past, and the Ghost Ship still lives.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.04 08:11:00 - [164] i dont think your tactics are lame, they are very efficient and you fight outnumbered, but simply anything on long range aint pvp for me, shoot when you see their eyeballs! close range outnumbered is only way to get my adrenaline rush :D
hantwo S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.04 08:43:00 - [165] Burn Eden don't kill enough capitals to be considered great imho good yes great no. as for the better than burn eden Anything in CI Why me eh?
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 08:49:00 - [166] Edited by: MOS DEF on 04/07/2007 08:48:32 Originally by: DHB WildCat Most every post with Burn Eden says something about "lame tactics". To this I ask why are we the king of lame? We dont drop Motherships on top of lone battleships. We dont jump a titan onto a five man gate camp and the get slapped in the face by said Ravens 8). Ha got you on that one Evil Thug. We dont use nano****gotry where you cannot even hit the target (except extas 8P). So why are we kings of "lame"? Is it because we can engage out numbered 40 to 1 and if our abbadon didnt lag up on the jump in we would have technically won the fight? Or is it just out of pure frustration that noone can kill a Navy Raven in 0.0 8P. Just curious WildCat oh and 0utbreak Because you only fight to gank? Because all your tactics are focussing on getting out alive if it gets ugly? Because not everyone things loosing a ship is bad when you get a decent fight out of it? That being said: You guys are damn effective in what you do. It's just a waste of time fighting you. No fun to be had there.
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:03:00 - [167] Since when did we become the 'How to enjoy your game police'? If they're not to your taste, don't apply to join them, but can we all stop flaming each other on public forums please. ------------------
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:07:00 - [168] i dont think BE lame but i think MOS DEF hit the nail on the head........you would get better fights if u stuck around a bit more ive heard many times on ts over the years "BE in (insert system here)" reply "dont bother if u show up with something that might kill em they bug out".....ganking u do very well but its something anyone can do ---------------------------------------------
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:44:00 - [169] Edited by: MOS DEF on 04/07/2007 10:42:56 Originally by: EnglishBob Since when did we become the 'How to enjoy your game police'? If they're not to your taste, don't apply to join them, but can we all stop flaming each other on public forums please. I'm not flaming. He asked a question. He got his answer. I'm not telling them to change their way of playing. To each his own.
rig0r 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:44:00 - [170] Originally by: EnglishBob Since when did we become the 'How to enjoy your game police'? If they're not to your taste, don't apply to join them, but can we all stop flaming each other on public forums please. Agreed. Threads like these make me wonder if I accidently signed up for a WoW trial. What's the point anyway, it's not like people will change the way they play because others don't like it. Grow up and move along.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:50:00 - [171] Originally by: rig0r Originally by: EnglishBob Since when did we become the 'How to enjoy your game police'? If they're not to your taste, don't apply to join them, but can we all stop flaming each other on public forums please. Agreed. Threads like these make me wonder if I accidently signed up for a WoW trial. What's the point anyway, it's not like people will change the way they play because others don't like it. Grow up and move along. hey dont blame my thread for people comments! :P
heavyg Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:54:00 - [172] This help?
Kheo Sen Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:55:00 - [173] Actually fighting BE can be very frustrating that is why i think if some1 nails BE he can get great satisfaction from that fight. It does take a **load of time and pacience to kill BE but that is the fun part imho. Anyway back on topic : I think TAOSP can be quite nasty but the dont play the game as they used to, so i have to go with RAT, but that can change anyday now since ET is about to get into shock cuz he cant plex*** all day anymore. A defunct corp that in my oppinion was the best pvp corp was CoC.
Alpine 69 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.04 11:24:00 - [174] RAT Outbreak Infinitus Odium Taosp Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth hubba hubba - Deckard
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:05:00 - [175] Edited by: Darcuese on 04/07/2007 14:08:26 Of all i fought against i give my voice to only one corp. "Cult of >write here instead of me the proper name<" (Omniscient order follow same path i believe) All other corps have either too big member base that prevent them of being "uber"/individual skills/expiriance, or i dont respect them at all. I didnt fight much against Outbrake and i dont make my judgment based on other ppl opinion sadly. BE have their own tactics which work just fine for them. You can argue about them being cautious to not lose ships, but preventing your losses is skills as much any other RAT....mostly been involved in fleet fights. I cant remember being on lossing side myself, allthough they did win some fights against us in global. But known for logon traps make me put this corp out of qualifications. To many other i have fights with but cant remember any of them (not only couse they are bad, but its just that overview icons is what interest me, rather then name itself....and bad memory about names too) And one more that must have had strong skill/expiriance structure per individual is ATUK . Couse i cant think how would be possible to fight/win against 3 alliances on their ground without having quality members from bottom till top. (props to Black Reign that did help a lot but atuk was heart of that crusade). Why saying Atuk when i was part of? Couse to be able to do what Atuk did it took lots of skirmish, ganking, medium gang fights and ofc many fleet fights and capital fights too (for that time). I doubt you can find much corps that did all those succesfull at once me, myself and I ------>
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.04 20:22:00 - [176] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 04/07/2007 08:48:32 Originally by: DHB WildCat Most every post with Burn Eden says something about "lame tactics". To this I ask why are we the king of lame? We dont drop Motherships on top of lone battleships. We dont jump a titan onto a five man gate camp and the get slapped in the face by said Ravens 8). Ha got you on that one Evil Thug. We dont use nano****gotry where you cannot even hit the target (except extas 8P). So why are we kings of "lame"? Is it because we can engage out numbered 40 to 1 and if our abbadon didnt lag up on the jump in we would have technically won the fight? Or is it just out of pure frustration that noone can kill a Navy Raven in 0.0 8P. Just curious WildCat oh and 0utbreak Because you only fight to gank? Because all your tactics are focussing on getting out alive if it gets ugly? Because not everyone things loosing a ship is bad when you get a decent fight out of it? That being said: You guys are damn effective in what you do. It's just a waste of time fighting you. No fun to be had there. There are so many forum myths in your reply I dont know where to even start. 1) How is it a gank when we engage if there is 1 pilot or 50 or 100 with just a hand full of us? I find it amusing when a gank is 3 udie members killing a group of say 10. Or is it an automatic gank if you die to us? 2) When we fight alliances you have to be on your toes, we are not outbreak we DONT blob, we don't fit our ships to do 10k/sec. If we loose a ship that means a trip back to empire, which is far less fun than it sounds. 3) Anytime the nunmbers are even close we will warp in close and fight, I have no problem with doing it and neither does anyone else in the corp. But warping in 20k away outnumbered 5:1 is suicidal in our setups, or any other setup. 4) We loose ships all the time, what makes you think we dont? We are just better at not loosing them than anyone else. Dont forget unlike every one else in this game our isk is made only from PvP, we do nothing else for income. How do you expect us to have shiny toys if we keep loosing them? You should ask some of your members who flew with us up north a few days ago before you go making assumptions on what it is we do or do not do.
Elizabeth Saxon Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.04 20:42:00 - [177] Brutor Tribe burea - reason being - all skilled minmatar rejects are thrown there whe they over-kill everyone so by default they go here Otherwise it would be MAFIA OR incarnation of evil
marakor Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:15:00 - [178] I vote for me in my noob friggie from hell and after your all dead you will finaly belive me.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:17:00 - [179] Originally by: marakor I vote for me in my noob friggie from hell and after your all dead you will finaly belive me. Ive seen this guy go were all screwed lol
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:18:00 - [180] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: marakor I vote for me in my noob friggie from hell and after your all dead you will finaly belive me. Ive seen this guy go were all screwed lol Me 2 im quitting eve were all doooomed
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:19:00 - [181] satan, chill out mate, he wasnt saying you arent good. you ARE very very very good. what he said was proly dictated by some of your members previously saying that outbreak pilots lose too many ships. we lose ships because we tend to jump in close range outnumbered very often, in order to get a fight of our oponents. if we go long range, they just go away and that means less shooty shooty. ps: i dont see how we blob, as in fleet engagements we rarely face odds better than 2:1 in favor of oponent, which ofcourse isnt the 20:1 odds that you sometimes face, but the difference is that we tend to stay till everything is dead, not just kill 1-2 and then warp off. ofcourse that is because of the numbers we have, but how can you turn down people that want to join a gang ? the ganks that you see on the killboads, are usually killing unsuspecting ratters, which have no value whatsoever, doesnt matter if u kill a npcing bs in 1 bs or with a whole gang. it is dying anyways.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:27:00 - [182] Originally by: Ivo D satan, chill out mate, he wasnt saying you arent good. you ARE very very very good. what he said was proly dictated by some of your members previously saying that outbreak pilots lose too many ships. we lose ships because we tend to jump in close range outnumbered very often, in order to get a fight of our oponents. if we go long range, they just go away and that means less shooty shooty. ps: i dont see how we blob, as in fleet engagements we rarely face odds better than 2:1 in favor of oponent, which ofcourse isnt the 20:1 odds that you sometimes face, but the difference is that we tend to stay till everything is dead, not just kill 1-2 and then warp off. ofcourse that is because of the numbers we have, but how can you turn down people that want to join a gang ? the ganks that you see on the killboads, are usually killing unsuspecting ratters, which have no value whatsoever, doesnt matter if u kill a npcing bs in 1 bs or with a whole gang. it is dying anyways. What he said.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:41:00 - [183] You see! This is why we can't have nice things....
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:48:00 - [184] the best buzz for me is fighitng outnumbered with a good chance of not surviving, thats what u get when u join celes apoc.. other ppl fight different which is fair enough.. BE have tactics that personally i would never use but thats up to them. i dont think it would get many fights as ppl just seem to "not bother" as they know the tactics that they will be up against.. fast dictors and dampd ravens at 200km isnt worth the time and just invites blobs onto u. d solo. RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com
Crzycnck2 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:33:00 - [185] Outbreak... Enough pls. I'm a trained bomb disposal expert.. if you see me running, try to keep up
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 00:17:00 - [186] I'm the best in eve!!!! This thread has no meaning anymore now!! lock it! Lock it straight away! \m/ Metal Head \m/
anister Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.05 06:24:00 - [187] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain sigtest Yeah, those guys are pretty ruthless. ___
Faith Rose Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.05 07:18:00 - [188] 1. Evol, bnc, rkk, atuk and the other slackers that make life worth while. 2. ((This space for rent)) "How do you kill... that which has no life?"
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.05 07:54:00 - [189] amazing how many people dont read and think, just see topic name and go nominate themselves... :/
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:25:00 - [190] Indeed. And its not like selfnomination would improve performance of those either me, myself and I ------>
Jay Phor Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:23:00 - [191] Arcane Technologies UK ( ATUK ) Dice rest of bob Originally by: Zeno Kang BoB will offline your keyboard, then assault with a gang of threadnaughts.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:50:00 - [192] Originally by: Jay Phor Arcane Technologies UK ( ATUK ) Dice rest of bob hi, i didnt read what exactly this topic is about, but i still think i should post. No matter ill post completely offtopic, cuz thread maker just pointed on mistakes people do. He also wrote it couple of times before that. But i must point out that WE RULE. WE > *. ONLY US. NO ONE ELSE IS GOOD. HAHA NUBS. LAWL. NOW IM COOL AND MY ALLIANCE MATES WILL LIKE ME EVEN MORE! if it wasnt sad, it would actually be quite funny...
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Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:09:00 - [194] Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Jay Phor Arcane Technologies UK ( ATUK ) Dice rest of bob hi, i didnt read what exactly this topic is about, but i still think i should post. No matter ill post completely offtopic, cuz thread maker just pointed on mistakes people do. He also wrote it couple of times before that. But i must point out that WE RULE. WE > . ONLY US. NO ONE ELSE IS GOOD. HAHA NUBS. LAWL. NOW IM COOL AND MY ALLIANCE MATES WILL LIKE ME EVEN MORE! if it wasnt sad, it would actually be quite funny... Originally by:* Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:22:00 - [195] I loved fighting BE back when I was in FIX. I knew that one little mistake would result in my death. I also liked that they brought in a fighting style that was original and that no one else used, which caused me to have to think and take chances big time. Holding the field in an evenly matched fight, and getting that raven kill, were one of the most rewarding pvp moments I've had. People hate their tactics because they are very frustrating. They know how to get away when they need to, so they can engage outnumbered, catch some kills, and vanish.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:03:00 - [196] I would not swap one killmail in our Utopia engagement with Outbreak for a thousand BE gank mails, not a single one. PVP in its truest sense leaves both sides telling stories months afterwards, fond memories, and giggles on TS when the event is brought up. Stats are nothing to me compared to that shaky adrenaline rush which can only be sought in a full frontal dust up. PVP cannot be measured by your killboard, or by the amount of epeen equipment you have. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:15:00 - [197] killboard is second curse of eve me, myself and I ------>
Gerome Doutrande Rue Morgue	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:31:00 - [198] > * !
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:36:00 - [199] So I take it the first curse of eve is cheating devs?
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:56:00 - [200] Originally by: Necronomicon I would not swap one killmail in our Utopia engagement with Outbreak for a thousand BE gank mails, not a single one. PVP in its truest sense leaves both sides telling stories months afterwards, fond memories, and giggles on TS when the event is brought up. Stats are nothing to me compared to that shaky adrenaline rush which can only be sought in a full frontal dust up. PVP cannot be measured by your killboard, or by the amount of epeen equipment you have. From what I recall all the kill mails were had by Outbreak in that engagement. We have engagements like that every day, except its 10 of us vs 50 enemies. Generally the people fighting us conveniently forget about those fights, cause its kinda hard to smack someone who whoops you with those odds.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:59:00 - [201] Originally by: Evil Pookie So I take it the first curse of eve is cheating devs? first curse of eve is.....region ofc me, myself and I ------>
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:36:00 - [202] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 05/07/2007 21:37:33 Originally by: Evil Pookie So I take it the first curse of eve is cheating devs? Kill some capitals Burn Eden, then you can claim to be "up there". Until then, you will just remain as gatecampers that run when equal numbers enter local...bit like so many other pirate corps DICE kill plenty of Capitals, despite the fact I hate the ebil bstards, they are still way better than your cloaking damping safe spotting raven squads I missed the post from IEEX, claiming to be hardcore and not run away. But please take the stabs of your fighter bombing frigs. Carriers hiding at POS, suicide frigate squad = lots of nice kills for us... At least you used named stabs, that IS hard"warp"core Edit: from today, before it gets snipped http://killboard.newbie.se/?id=72819 I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:11:00 - [203] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Necronomicon I would not swap one killmail in our Utopia engagement with Outbreak for a thousand BE gank mails, not a single one. PVP in its truest sense leaves both sides telling stories months afterwards, fond memories, and giggles on TS when the event is brought up. Stats are nothing to me compared to that shaky adrenaline rush which can only be sought in a full frontal dust up. PVP cannot be measured by your killboard, or by the amount of epeen equipment you have. From what I recall all the kill mails were had by Outbreak in that engagement. We have engagements like that every day, except its 10 of us vs 50 enemies. Generally the people fighting us conveniently forget about those fights, cause its kinda hard to smack someone who whoops you with those odds. uncloak shoot cloak align uncloak warp cloak warp cloak uncloak shoot cloak etc etc etc might be your idea of pvp but would bore me to tears within a few minutes. I prefer the warp jump "Clear" warp jump uncloak OH ARSE! PEW PEW ARGH! PHEW PEW PEW ARGH! WARP TURN WARP ARGH! PEW PEW BANG! ARGH! PEW PEW, GF ALL! Win or lose, I prefer to go to bed grinning over a victory or analyzing what went wrong in a defeat than justifying my style of pvp purely based on killboard stats. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Aeon Black Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 23:28:00 - [204] I vote for Morne Attitude If you haven't heard of them consider yourself lucky :)
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.07.07 01:08:00 - [205] i need this still active, work knows to be very boring from time to time :/
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.07.07 03:10:00 - [206] i liked euphoria released. Darwin With Attitude (can I join?) and REPO Industries. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.08 17:23:00 - [207] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 08/07/2007 17:25:25 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 05/07/2007 21:37:33 Originally by: Evil Pookie So I take it the first curse of eve is cheating devs? Kill some capitals Burn Eden, then you can claim to be "up there". Until then, you will just remain as gatecampers that run when equal numbers enter local...bit like so many other pirate corps DICE kill plenty of Capitals, despite the fact I hate the ebil bstards, they are still way better than your cloaking damping safe spotting raven squads I missed the post from IEEX, claiming to be hardcore and not run away. But please take the stabs of your fighter bombing frigs. Carriers hiding at POS, suicide frigate squad = lots of nice kills for us... At least you used named stabs, that IS hard"warp"core Edit: from today, before it gets snipped http://killboard.newbie.se/?id=72819 In the last few months our small 10-15 man corp has killed several carriers and 1 dreadnaught. All WITHOUT our own capital support and under ten battleships. Claim that! Anyone can drop a mothership and 3 carriers of there own with a support gang on 2 carriers (as I look at Evil Edna's video), with remote reps (pansies) and say they are uber. Take away your capital support and then try it. Most recent carrier kill.... Dark and Light Archon July, 6th 2007 EDIT* and I have to add for those of you who have chosen BoB corps, as of right now we are currently in Delve, I can say that they log off more than ANYONE I have ever tried to kill.
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.08 17:57:00 - [208] From fighting with and against: Mentally Unstable Enterprises Viper Squad Yesodic Nomads Corp
rig0r 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:03:00 - [209] Originally by: Necronomicon I would not swap one killmail in our Utopia engagement with Outbreak for a thousand BE gank mails, not a single one. PVP in its truest sense leaves both sides telling stories months afterwards, fond memories, and giggles on TS when the event is brought up. Stats are nothing to me compared to that shaky adrenaline rush which can only be sought in a full frontal dust up. PVP cannot be measured by your killboard, or by the amount of epeen equipment you have. Very true. Threads like these should be banned from EVE-O as all they do is cause flamewars.
Rob Robb Pipeline Gypsies The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:16:00 - [210] having fought Burn Edeen in three alliances, I tip my hats. They may be haughty and high-minded, but thier brand of guerrilla warfare (though unpopular) is quite effective. Therefore, I believe them to be the ultimate PVP corp HANDS DOWN! I just hope I ne ver have to see them again on the battlefield, they are a real pain in the arse. Cheers!
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:22:00 - [211] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 08/07/2007 17:25:25 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 05/07/2007 21:37:33 Originally by: Evil Pookie So I take it the first curse of eve is cheating devs? stuff more stuff EDIT* and I have to add for those of you who have chosen BoB corps, as of right now we are currently in Delve, I can say that they log off more than ANYONE I have ever tried to kill. cool stuff! you guys on contract?
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:38:00 - [212] Burn Eden ... Outbreak Burn Eden gets No.1 place from me. Distant second is Outbreak - the best of the rest. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.08 19:15:00 - [213] Next to my own corp. Cora Outbreak TAOSP EST Sniggs
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.08 19:17:00 - [214] 1. BE. No question about it, I've flown both with them and against them and both experiences have given me nothing but respect for them. 2. Penetrate. I think they are pretty much dead these days, but awesome back in the day. 3. m0o. Nuf said. 4. Establishment. They can work wonders with what they've got. 5. BDCI. They have it all, and can take what ever they want. 6. RKK. Relentless. 7. VOTF, legend in their own time. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Fantome Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.08 19:52:00 - [215] Outbreack ! Skills and no smack , always a pleasure to meet them Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.08 22:10:00 - [216] BNC RKK Outbreak I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.09 00:57:00 - [217] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 09/07/2007 00:57:20 The only corp/group that I have ever fought against that has consistently impressed me is Xenobytes/RAT. Those I have fought with, probably E-R.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.09 06:50:00 - [218] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 05/07/2007 21:37:33 Originally by: Evil Pookie So I take it the first curse of eve is cheating devs? Kill some capitals Burn Eden, then you can claim to be "up there". Until then, you will just remain as gatecampers that run when equal numbers enter local... My short experience in a gang with BE tells me otherwise I still feel dirty tough In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.09 07:10:00 - [219] Originally by: rig0r Originally by: Necronomicon I would not swap one killmail in our Utopia engagement with Outbreak for a thousand BE gank mails, not a single one. PVP in its truest sense leaves both sides telling stories months afterwards, fond memories, and giggles on TS when the event is brought up. Stats are nothing to me compared to that shaky adrenaline rush which can only be sought in a full frontal dust up. PVP cannot be measured by your killboard, or by the amount of epeen equipment you have. Very true. Threads like these should be banned from EVE-O as all they do is cause flamewars. LOL, O.o ban threads cuz people dont know to behave themselves? id rather ban people :D
PainBall Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:22:00 - [220] here they are my fav : atuk m0o zombies inc rat and vsq ofc <3 Love conqueres all ... but not in eve
Captain Rickdick BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.09 20:47:00 - [221] Past us best i have ever fought is CEI.
Rasta Rocketman Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:22:00 - [222] It seems to me there are 2 distinct classes of 'top pvp' corps, which should be compared totally separately. Best Fleet Corps - These are corps that roam in large blobs with good fleet commanders. These corps become feared primarily because of good fleet commanders and the large numbers. If you remove the good commander, most of these fleets would get eaten up by any other fleet because the pilots in the blob lack individual piloting skills, but work well under command of a good leader. Best Solo/Small Group Corps - These are the corps with pilots that have good individual skills or small group skills, that can do a lot of damage with not a lot of pilots. Piloting ability, new setups and tactics, wisdom in combat are what makes these people good. It seems to be most everyone in this post is naming off good fleet corps. As an example, I can see Outbreak has been mentioned a lot. I can clearly see they work very well in a fleet but how many would get destroyed in a 1v1 or a 3v3 (without the fleet commander being 1 of the 3)? I'm not saying anything at all about Oubreak, as I dont' really know the skill of their members. I'm just making the point that there are 2 distinct types of PvP corps that you cannot really judge in the same way. My personal opinion is the best PvP corps as the ones with the best skilled individual PvPers, the best at 1v1s and small skirmish warfare. I consider the best fleet corps as mostly having good leadership (ie..1 very skilled guy in a blob of 40+). In Eve the blob wins, but it doesn't necessarily make the blob the best skilled corp. _______________________________________________
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:32:00 - [223] There's plenty of good small gang warfare done by a handful of corps that will never make this thread.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:37:00 - [224] i still need this topic, its a workday! :D
Cardassius Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:00:00 - [225] Well, there is never gonna be a top 5 pvp corps list because no one had the experience of fighting the same corps. Good to see our corpname mentioned! Too many good pvp corps out there for me to make a top 5 list. For the people mentioning Burn Eden as a top PVP corp, well you can.. but my experience is that they mostly lack balls. And that makes them very predictable (remember that when fighting them).
Thronde 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:56:00 - [226] Edited by: Thronde on 11/07/2007 09:57:26 Wow another E-peen waving thread about who is the coolest video game players. /emote stroke stroke Let me make my contribution : Im the 1337est OMG1111 There my work is done here. Bonus Advice = Less talk more F1-F8
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.11 09:59:00 - [227] Originally by: Thronde Edited by: Thronde on 11/07/2007 09:57:26 Wow another E-peen waving thread about who is the coolest video game players. /emote stroke stroke Let me make my contribution : Im the 1337est OMG1111 There my work is done here. Bonus Advice = Less talk more F1-F8 Hi. Nice to see that you know to write. Pitty you dont know to read aswell :\|
Thronde 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:05:00 - [228] Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Thronde Edited by: Thronde on 11/07/2007 09:57:26 Wow another E-peen waving thread about who is the coolest video game players. /emote stroke stroke Let me make my contribution : Im the 1337est OMG1111 There my work is done here. Bonus Advice = Less talk more F1-F8 Hi. Nice to see that you know to write. Pitty you dont know to read aswell :\| Sorry Op wasnt really trying to bag on you. Its just the rest of the pages that follow with people arguing about this and that. If at the end of my days as a human I look back on my life and consider my uberness in a video game as a milestone ive done somthing terribly wrong.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:09:00 - [229] Originally by: Thronde Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Thronde Edited by: Thronde on 11/07/2007 09:57:26 Wow another E-peen waving thread about who is the coolest video game players. /emote stroke stroke Let me make my contribution : Im the 1337est OMG1111 There my work is done here. Bonus Advice = Less talk more F1-F8 Hi. Nice to see that you know to write. Pitty you dont know to read aswell :\| Sorry Op wasnt really trying to bag on you. Its just the rest of the pages that follow with people arguing about this and that. If at the end of my days as a human I look back on my life and consider my uberness in a video game as a milestone ive done somthing terribly wrong. thats the biggest problem as i stated couple of times. point of this thread aint to nominate yourself or allies to boost each other morale. its to give props to your enemies. not that it matters much, but work knows to be very boring and i need something to waste time on :P
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:20:00 - [230] tbh all the rly cool Corps are gone m0o Cult of cuthulu atuk zombie inc sinister OC old scholl and nolt the one that was part of the Coda
RogerWilco Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:48:00 - [231] The only way to measure the best pvp corp would be to look at their accomplishments, and since i wont mention BOB corps, there would be only the MC and RA left to mention. In my opinion pvp skills isnt just about pushing F* at the right moment, or focusing fire or what have you in the heat of battle, the machine behind the army is what grant you victory in the long run, along with willpower and dedication ofc.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.11 10:48:00 - [232] The corp and player name escapes me...but this anti-pirate usually flies a solo BS with a Falcon in support and takes on some incredible odds...and wins a lot! I am sure somone will recognize who this is (Lord-something or another perhaps?). Also: CELES Snigg REUNION (RA) Any fleet led by K1lz BE play to win...people don't like that. And DHB Wildcat is a funny guy in local too (I still remember despite repeated warnings on all sorts of LV intel channels regarding "BE with dictor alts in 46DP...fly smart" the ridiculous number of kills they pulled off). BE should consider a name change to "Darwins Blade" . Oh....and theres this one corp led by a guy...hmmm...think his name starts with V . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
popej 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:03:00 - [233] Originally by: RuleoftheBone The corp and player name escapes me...but this anti-pirate usually flies a solo BS with a Falcon in support and takes on some incredible odds...and wins a lot! I am sure somone will recognize who this is (Lord-something or another perhaps?). Sounds like fedaykin naib except he doesnt fly his pest anymore coz hes a scared of Ravens.
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:13:00 - [234] Edited by: SwindonBadger on 11/07/2007 11:13:27 lol more like the hiekie alliance? if he still works his gate camp madjic,, very evil one man + alt army. last I saw he was in a tourny getting pimpy with a hord of drones around his curse.
The Dark Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:41:00 - [235] Originally by: popej Originally by: RuleoftheBone The corp and player name escapes me...but this anti-pirate usually flies a solo BS with a Falcon in support and takes on some incredible odds...and wins a lot! I am sure somone will recognize who this is (Lord-something or another perhaps?). Sounds like fedaykin naib except he doesnt fly his pest anymore coz hes a scared of Ravens. na... this guys had had a few run ins with lordchaos in celes apoc. fed was pretty good at that too though.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:45:00 - [236] Originally by: The Dark Originally by: popej Originally by: RuleoftheBone The corp and player name escapes me...but this anti-pirate usually flies a solo BS with a Falcon in support and takes on some incredible odds...and wins a lot! I am sure somone will recognize who this is (Lord-something or another perhaps?). Sounds like fedaykin naib except he doesnt fly his pest anymore coz hes a scared of Ravens. na... this guys had had a few run ins with lordchaos in celes apoc. fed was pretty good at that too though. Bingo...thats the guy . He is...scary . I witnessed 2 of his engagements (I could not engage on gates at the time) and the guy is gas on a fire! "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:50:00 - [237] Ahh LC's stupid Geddon, it is a scary machine.
The Dark Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:56:00 - [238] Originally by: welsh wizard Ahh LC's stupid Geddon, it is a scary machine. dont fight with him though agains crazy odds, everytime i have iv died cause his falcons jam fails, its like a curse:). personally i dont think he activates it just to see me die.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:58:00 - [239] arf
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.11 12:49:00 - [240] Edited by: Laboratus on 11/07/2007 12:52:24 Originally by: Cardassius ... For the people mentioning Burn Eden as a top PVP corp, well you can.. but my experience is that they mostly lack balls. And that makes them very predictable (remember that when fighting them). In my personal experience, they are the only guys that rutinely engage outnumbered 20:1 and manage to make the other guys retreat. You sure we are talking about the same corp? edit note: typos ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:29:00 - [241] Don't blame BE if you haven't figured out a way to counter them yet. They've only been using the same tactics forever. But yeah..."BURN EDEN you don't deserve to be mentioned for PVP because you kill too much and don't die enough!". Wylker and Alice Cholmondeley are my fanclub. \0/
KardonHarman Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:57:00 - [242] Edited by: KardonHarman on 11/07/2007 13:56:43 Quote: In my personal experience, they are the only guys that rutinely engage outnumbered 20:1 and manage to make the other guys retreat I can name quite a few corps that do that regularly, mainly the smaller totally PVP focused corps/alliances. Just a few out of lots - these I mention from personal experience of flying in/alongside or against- I am sure there are many more all have my respect for being damn good PvPers Veto TBSV (now defunct) Triumvurate Mutually Assured Destruction Pilots of Honour The Movement Turbulent and of course Pandemic Legion Those that have my respect for maybe not being the best PVPers in the world but refusing to lay down and die/surrender FLA Bruce
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:58:00 - [243] Originally by: Cardassius Well, there is never gonna be a top 5 pvp corps list because no one had the experience of fighting the same corps. Good to see our corpname mentioned! Too many good pvp corps out there for me to make a top 5 list. For the people mentioning Burn Eden as a top PVP corp, well you can.. but my experience is that they mostly lack balls. And that makes them very predictable (remember that when fighting them). Well lets see here... We "lack balls", is that why your alliance feels its necessary to jump in multiple cap ships/mother ships to fight just a few of us? Or bring a blob to fight us with no caps involved? Predictable, is that saying if you are there we will attack you no matter what the odds or the ships you have? Does that sound about right? Bottom line is we dont care what others think of us, our success speaks for its self.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.11 23:31:00 - [244] Originally by: Cardassius Well, there is never gonna be a top 5 pvp corps list because no one had the experience of fighting the same corps. Good to see our corpname mentioned! Too many good pvp corps out there for me to make a top 5 list. For the people mentioning Burn Eden as a top PVP corp, well you can.. but my experience is that they mostly lack balls. And that makes them very predictable (remember that when fighting them). I tried to refrain from posting on this but you sir are not telling the whole truth. In the only 2 engagements that BURN EDEN has had with Suckapin Technologies I lost a raven in n-rael doing solo heroics ie 1 vs 6 of you. Yeah all we do is gank and run ohh wai.... The second engagement, you ganked DHB Wilcat, by jumping in 5 carriers and a crap load of support on our gatecamp consisting of 3 ravens and a few dictors. Once again all we do is gank and run. But guess what, even when outnumbering us in both engagements in the order of 6-1, we still managed to kill more of you than you killed of us. You obviously do not speak for MC or even represent the majority of MC pilots in smacking our abilities. Maybe you should pull your farking head in a little and ask some of the older MC members who have been around the block a few times just how ordinary we are. I mean seriously smacking our abilities is like sitting at home watching a football game and yelling at the screen and saying I'm a better coach than you or even I could have kicked that goal!
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.12 01:41:00 - [245] lmao I remember that one well. (When SERA, or I should say MC killed me) They tackled SATAN, he made thier interceptor warp off, while we both slamed the command ship next to him. It lost lock and he warped off. An inty was racing for me (I was 140km away from SATAN) I clicked warp, but a Falcon had uncloaked next to me a scrambled me. So Evil, and I killed the buzzard that was making the cyno. Then 5 carriers jumped in about 180km away. Evil warped out by now. The inty had caught me and a domi warped to me. So knowing I was done for, I ask who wants to bet I kill more of them before they take me down!? I two volleyed the Falcon, and since I couldnt hold anything down, I decided to kill the only thing I knew I could kill that would warp out.... fighters 8). Took three down before they got to me. By then the 20 man support gang and 5 carrier loads of fighters had me in structure and popped. MC 1 / BE 2 (ships) 3 (fighters). The Falcon cost more than my Raven did 8). The End. WildCat
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:34:00 - [246] BE aren't allowed to have a good rep because Fragm was in your corp lol Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Frozen Light Art of War	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:09:00 - [247] I will give my vote to .EE --- AWAR is recruiting
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:06:00 - [248] Best PvP corp...uhh...Lord Chaos and his alt AmunRaa? I still don't understand how people manage two accounts in pvp so effectively, macro-managing one is hard enough, let alone two. Fallen Angel's Recruitment
Gypsy Djinn V I R I I	Posted - 2007.07.16 00:24:00 - [249] This was a pretty humorous thread, but then again the 8000 similar threads on the same subject over the years have always been pretty humorous... I'm not sure what killing capitols has to do with your talent level at PVP especially in the context that the OP poised the question. As I understand it he was looking for a best average skill level of the corp at PvP and anyone who would deny that Burn Eden doesn't rank in that list somewhere has either never fought them and believe the incredible amount of BS that spews from people who have and gotten their ass handed to them... or have fought them first hand, gotten their asses handed to them and just want to try and discredit them somehow to try and make their own short comings less glaringly obvious. To me the sign of a skilled PvP'er is someone who doesn't just look at numbers but calculates odds of outcome in a fight and in turn make adjustments to their game plan to sway those odds in their favor. Like everything else though in life sometimes things don't go as planned and its refreshing to see a group that takes so much smack from people be gracious in defeat and acknowledge others skills when they do overcome. That is something that is probably lost on most of the people in this thread, so to those you can just continue on with your "blah, blah, capitols, blah, blah, we have fleets of 300, we kill nodes, blah, blah, we t0tally pnwed u. u r so n00b and we are so 1337"
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.16 00:44:00 - [250] Originally by: Gypsy Djinn This was a pretty humorous thread, but then again the 8000 similar threads on the same subject over the years have always been pretty humorous... I'm not sure what killing capitols has to do with your talent level at PVP especially in the context that the OP poised the question. As I understand it he was looking for a best average skill level of the corp at PvP and anyone who would deny that Burn Eden doesn't rank in that list somewhere has either never fought them and believe the incredible amount of BS that spews from people who have and gotten their ass handed to them... or have fought them first hand, gotten their asses handed to them and just want to try and discredit them somehow to try and make their own short comings less glaringly obvious. To me the sign of a skilled PvP'er is someone who doesn't just look at numbers but calculates odds of outcome in a fight and in turn make adjustments to their game plan to sway those odds in their favor. Like everything else though in life sometimes things don't go as planned and its refreshing to see a group that takes so much smack from people be gracious in defeat and acknowledge others skills when they do overcome. That is something that is probably lost on most of the people in this thread, so to those you can just continue on with your "blah, blah, capitols, blah, blah, we have fleets of 300, we kill nodes, blah, blah, we t0tally pnwed u. u r so n00b and we are so 1337" Its rational, well thought out responses like this that are destroying CAOD.
Gypsy Djinn V I R I I	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:35:00 - [251] Originally by: Evil Pookie Its rational, well thought out responses like this that are destroying CAOD. You are correct, my bad... I mean lets be honest rational has no place in the current EVE anyway, let alone CAOD, especially in the PvP context... Thats almost as preposterous as making sure you have hardware and software capable of handling a useless added feature that anyone who can do a google search could come up with 2 better FREE options. PvP, what a novel idea, where it use to be the main selling point of this game, now it seems to be the thorn in the game creators sides. EvE was always ranked highly by gamers for its PvP aspects, but CCP would rather us all just run missions in +.5 and talk about it on eve-voice while it takes 2 minutes for your screen to load when you undock from station or jump through a gate... Im glad this thread has run it's course as I am sure it will be locked now as we know you can't question the Gods without the almighty lock... maybe eve-tv can have Hilmar explain to the 12 subscribers about the absolute ridiculous notion that there is unplayable lag and a desynch and about how everyone so wanted this feature and how everyone is so happy with it's implementation, to be followed by a group drinking of the purple kool-aide...
Allister Feind V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:09:00 - [252] Originally by: Gypsy Djinn Originally by: Evil Pookie Its rational, well thought out responses like this that are destroying CAOD. You are correct, my bad... I mean lets be honest rational has no place in the current EVE anyway, let alone CAOD, especially in the PvP context... Thats almost as preposterous as making sure you have hardware and software capable of handling a useless added feature that anyone who can do a google search could come up with 2 better FREE options. PvP, what a novel idea, where it use to be the main selling point of this game, now it seems to be the thorn in the game creators sides. EvE was always ranked highly by gamers for its PvP aspects, but CCP would rather us all just run missions in +.5 and talk about it on eve-voice while it takes 2 minutes for your screen to load when you undock from station or jump through a gate... Im glad this thread has run it's course as I am sure it will be locked now as we know you can't question the Gods without the almighty lock... maybe eve-tv can have Hilmar explain to the 12 subscribers about the absolute ridiculous notion that there is unplayable lag and a desynch and about how everyone so wanted this feature and how everyone is so happy with it's implementation, to be followed by a group drinking of the purple kool-aide... OMG!!! post with your main Jake Sisko! ooops... /me puts the cat back in the bag.
Cardassius Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:34:00 - [253] Edited by: Cardassius on 16/07/2007 20:33:51 Originally by: DHB WildCat Jadajada... I thought we were talking about corporations here? And as I said, personal experiences! By the way I personally fought Burn Eden guys way before you even joined BE :) BE may have great pvp pilots in their ranks, but the problem it had many ego pilots in their ranks that made BE smell like it does today :) Oh and this is MY view on things, not my corp nor my alliance.

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