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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:52:00 -
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And this is coming from a person who likes to run them for extra isk, but this is just wtf stupid.
1. I can quickly fleet up in an incursion and get 100 mil in an hour. During that hour, I could also be scanning down a good class 3 wormhole, forming up a fleet for it, moving ships to the WH, and I might make the same amount of isk. It depends on whether or not I get shot in the process of making it (no bounties, need to carry everything out).
2. Everyone does vanguards. FFS EVERYBODY DOES VANGUARDS. It's ******* PACKED in the vanguard systems because of the legion + NCO = iskiskisk. This is stupid. Vanguards shouldn't be the isk printing machines, assaults or HQ's should be much much better and have many more people willing to run them.
3. Low sec incursions should pay WTFisk. It's not worth it with the rate it's at to go out there and try to run the incursions.
just sayin'. |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:58:00 -
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Quit |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:09:00 -
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Some people run low sec incursions because they enjoy the opportunity for PVP that they present. Cowards stay in high sec with the rest of the scrubs.
If you think there is too much money to be made, or too many people running them then do something different. It's rather hypocritical to complain about how much money they make when you happily run them yourself. I assume you are complaining about the ISK rewarded, your rant was pretty incoherent.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:15:00 -
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Test / goons can be seen running low sec incursions. These incursions are normally run without issue.
Occasionally the test guys fall for a tarp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdWzTcPiMqI
They are getting wise now though :) |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:16:00 -
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For the number of people involved in a Highsec Incursion team, (heard something like 8); that's about the same revenue per hour as running wormhole Ops in a C6 per person, and with much less effort. Granted, only the team with the highest DPS gets the ISK.
Still, it may seem a little broken, but I assume competition makes it much less given there are potentially many who get nothing for the effort.
The fact that Vanguards are the highest reward is a bit odd; but I imagine that's just a balance issue, or effort/time vs. ISK
Still haven't run an Incursion, so I'm not really one to judge though. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:17:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote: I assume you are complaining about the ISK rewarded, your rant was pretty incoherent.
OP took me less than a minute to write. Guaranteed. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:20:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:...Cowards stay in highsec...
If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.
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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:22:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
Still, it may seem a little broken, but I assume competition makes it much less given there are potentially many who get nothing for the effort.
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You might think this, but consider this. One fleet is in a vanguard. Another fleet warps in. I kid you not, the site goes down in less than half the time it would take for the single fleet to do since things just pop so effing fast. one fleet moves on to something else, it's no biggy.
Also, while two fleets can compete for a site, this doesn't happen as often as you might think. Three vanguard systems means a lot less competition than you might think.
My main beef with it is that it's WAY more isk than anything that actually involves risk, and also the scaling of isk making is just ****** to all hell with the way vanguards/assaults/HQ's are compared. |
Klown Walk
Ore Mongers
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:26:00 -
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You can make that amount of isk in a t1 frigate in low sec with abit of luck. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:29:00 -
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Makes Vanguards harder or more time-consuming, and increase the payout for everything else.
I also think that Sansha ships should be brought in line with player ships, but more of them need to be destroyed per site. The fact you can simply pop 4 specific ships to finish a site is just plain bad. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:35:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Makes Vanguards harder or more time-consuming, and increase the payout for everything else.
I also think that Sansha ships should be brought in line with player ships, but more of them need to be destroyed per site. The fact you can simply pop 4 specific ships to finish a site is just plain bad.
That does seem a relatively underwhelming requirement. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:42:00 -
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met worst wrote:Lady Spank wrote:...Cowards stay in highsec... If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.
Lady Spank likes to seem tough. It's...a thing. You should see her tap her glass with an emory file. It's absolutely frightening!
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:50:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:met worst wrote:Lady Spank wrote:...Cowards stay in highsec... If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be. Lady Spank likes to seem tough. It's...a thing. You should see her tap her glass with an emory file. It's absolutely frightening!
It's true.
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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:04:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:met worst wrote:Lady Spank wrote:...Cowards stay in highsec... If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be. Lady Spank likes to seem tough. It's...a thing. You should see her tap her glass with an emory file. It's absolutely frightening!
Lady Spank is a she?
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:12:00 -
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CCP is on vacation so don't expect much response.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:40:00 -
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your correct. we need to nerf 0.0 bots and the mining bots that are in highsec.
I think we should start with a serious anti botting effort on CCP's part with some sort of detection method such as blizzards tripwire or w/e its called. when the botts start dieing the economy will get better. mining will become more profitable.
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Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:50:00 -
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I find it amusing that High-Sec Incursions represent the low bar for what it takes to get a bunch of random strangers in EVE to fly together for the purpose of making ISK.
And that is probably why CCP won't nerf it much. They get people to mix and mingle, and they put ISK in the hands of people likely to blow it on shinies (or, dare I say it, PVP).
I think, on the whole, this sort of thing is good for the game.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
adopt
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:07:00 -
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I don't do Vanguards, its all about Headquarters baby!
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
adopt
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:11:00 -
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And just to clarify, an experienced HQ fleet can make 150mil an hour, however, we are susceptible to losses, primarily logistics ships, with the occasional Battleship/T3 loss due to late broadcasts, and these tend to be people who haven't done a HQ before.
The most I made in an hour was 126mil isk + 28k LP
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:12:00 -
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This topic again?
I Support the Goons! |
adopt
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:18:00 -
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And before you say hurr hurr isk/hr *****, I don't care how much money I make, I have so much more fun than VGfags, and we tend to do more stupid shit like this
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:12:00 -
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adopt wrote:And just to clarify, an experienced HQ fleet can make 150mil an hour, however, we are susceptible to losses, primarily logistics ships, with the occasional Battleship/T3 loss due to late broadcasts, and these tend to be people who haven't done a HQ before.
The most I made in an hour was 126mil isk + 28k LP
Is it just not possible to run Incursions with anything other than dyed in the wool Cruiser-class logistics? Is it possible to run a Battlecruiser or even a Battleship faux-logistics... or does it just not have enough rep output?
I feel like Cruiser-class logistics are just too expensive, like it needs better tank, or something. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:16:00 -
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Replace ISK with (more) LP. Everyone wins.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Treks Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:36:00 -
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everyday the same threads. im glad you guys spend 15 dollars a month to keep talking about the same stuff. day in day out month aftet month, year after year, priceless |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:48:00 -
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adopt wrote:And before you say hurr hurr isk/hr *****, I don't care how much money I make, I have so much more fun than VGfags, and we tend to do more stupid sh it like this
I want to fly assaults/HQ's, but have trouble finding fleets for them because sometimes a fleet isn't even up for either. That, or the fleet is a shield fleet, and my shield skills aren't good enough to do that yet.
But really, assaults/HQ's litter the systems that contain them and half the time, no one is running them. They're all running vanguards. Usually they're all in legions. Something is broken with this.
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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:50:00 -
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Treks Shadow wrote:everyday the same threads. im glad you guys spend 15 dollars a month to keep talking about the same stuff. day in day out month aftet month, year after year, priceless
....you mean like you? Since the same thing has been posted once or twice in this thread already?
Really, you should reconsider your priorities if you pay 15$ a month just to access the forums... |
Ira Theos
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:57:00 -
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met worst wrote:Lady Spank wrote:...Cowards stay in highsec... If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.
Unfortunately for the gaming community, there are internet links in countries where many more will eagerly settle for the position of bleating sheep. The really sad fact is that right here in the developed world we have many players who are too stupid or just plain ignorant to understand the meaning of your post. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:45:00 -
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met worst wrote:Lady Spank wrote:...Cowards stay in highsec... If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.
For some people the choice is: be a bleating sheep, or a principled starving homeless man. It is nice to have priciples when you are fat, happy, and have a roof over your head.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
okst666
Not Solitude Again
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:55:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:You can make that amount of isk in a t1 frigate in low sec with abit of luck.
In an incursion you do not even need luck...just a few basilisks and 3 battleships will do.
But there are 2 other MAJOR Problems with incursions.
a) It takes ages to find a fleet
b) There are way to less Vanguards for all the people who want to fly them...An Incursion-System easily goes up to 400 people in lots of fleets and you warp from site to site only to see it is allready occupied... once you find a free one, you might be lucky and be able to do it uncontested... But most of the time some idiots think it is funny to contest and shoot the targets.
[X] < Nail here for new monitor |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:56:00 -
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LOL, yes low sec alt, CCP should nerf high sec incursions so you have an advantage.
Lets also be very clear.
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
Say it with me?
You can or you can't. Plain and ******* simple. Once you know how to do something you can do it a million times. It's the flaw of computer code. There is nothing CCP can do about it. Stop crying
High sec ISK farmers will still sit in high sec and farm ISK. They won't come to low sec and be your cow. They are Alts, you know that, I know that. Likely Alts from your own alliances, deal with it. |
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