I wouldn't advocate incursion constellations staying up for weeks, but when they stay up less than 48 hours after spawning, it's a bit too short.

The fact that incursions vary in location is a good thing, but it's a question of the frequency of the move. If they stay a decent amount of time after spawning, a more "casual" type of people could give them a shot.

This also ties with the reevaluation of the non-vanguard sites, the more near-identically profitable sites, the more concurrent group can run them.

Why ?

There is nothing for us out there.

We are carebears.... not pvp'ers

Nullsec alliances have become complacent in their "superiority" over other EVE players. Perhaps there needs be Jove incursions in null to put them in their place. You want to nerf ISK making in high-sec? Then nerf the flow of ISK in null as well.

They don't represent anyone other than nullbear empires.

Seriously i don't understand where's balance??? Why pve fitted expensive ships do not fly in low sec where cheap PVP fitted pilots could have make some ISK and easy kills!!!! The life must be very risky and hard for everyone but pvp players!!! This PVE Pilots are cowards!!!! They don't want to play the game the way i like it!!!!! Fix this CCP!!!!! I like to play PVP, everyone else should like this too!!!!! I simply DEMAND THIS!!!!! *emorage*

Not sure I agree with this, and I think this thread got derailed long ago.

Isn't the potential issue that incursions are nothing more than isk-printing machines, injecting unbacked value into the market at an unprecented rate? Seriously, who gives a damn about highsec or lowsec or nullsec? I think there is reason to believe it's hurting all of us. LP value is down and wallets are fat and possibliy losing true buying power. Despite our playing preferences, we ALL depend on the market. If incursions are threatening the true value of ISK, everyone suffers.

Focus, people.

Prices are determined by manufacturing costs which revolve around base mineral value. Tell me why the price of mods would rise because of Incursions, please.

Prices are determined by manufacturing costs which revolve around base mineral value. Tell me why the price of mods would rise because of Incursions, please.

You're forgetting that not everything on the market is primarily sourced from minerals. T2 ships/mods, LP store items, deadspace items, PI-derived goods.

Some people run low sec incursions because they enjoy the opportunity for PVP that they present. Cowards stay in high sec with the rest of the scrubs.

If you think there is too much money to be made, or too many people running them then do something different. It's rather hypocritical to complain about how much money they make when you happily run them yourself. I assume you are complaining about the ISK rewarded, your rant was pretty incoherent.

Its a pvp game. Why are people upset about having to pvp?

I say everyone pour support into the skunkworks and similar groups to drive the risk of incursions up to match the rewards, til CCP does it for us.

I just totally agreed with a Lady Spank post...

But yeah, what LS said...

1. It isn't only a pvp game, otherwise ccp wouldn't release "Tyrannis" trailer to convince new players that eve online is not only about shotting.
2. I am not upset to pvp or any other pilot, it's just fun doing that on pvp fitted ship, not on ship that is effective only for PVE encounter.

The only coward is the one who is looking for unfair fight.

Just allow some way for players to side with the Sansha against the farmers without CONCORD interference, then the profitability can remain high without throwing rsk vs reward out the window. Failing that just remove Incursions from High Sec altogether.

No thanks. No matter which way you cut it. It is still a "I wantz free hisec targets to attack" Earn up enough to get a gank ship if you want to fight incursion runners so bad. Incursions don't need this nerf.

And then you say if you cant haz your free targets you want to remove good hisec grouping. Bias much? Removing them from hisec will just lead to people going back to Lvl4 missions.

I have a question. Are you one of those people who complained about raiders getting exclusive access to tier gear so much that Blizzard gave in and gave equal gear to everyone?

I am not a WoW player. (Or are you talking about that starcraft stuff I cant play for more than 2 mins before my mouse hand hurts?) Either way it is off topic.

Referring to WoW, sorry.

And actually, its not off topic, because it was those arguments, which are just like your arguments, that directly caused the massive decline of wow. When people who work hard are no longer the only ones who get the goodies, they quit the game because there is nothing to work for. When the people who want it that way get their way, they get bored and quit because they are no goals to set that they can't easily get to.

There is some complicated psychology behind it, but simply put, there are 2 kinds of people. Those who get off on doing, and those who get off on achieving. The achievers just want the goal at the end of the tunnel, and as such will try to make it easy so they can be praised for how good they are. The doers enjoy the tunnel itself, and look for a new one as soon as they reach the goal. When achievers get to influence the design of a game, they ruin it for everyone, because the doers don't want it to be that easy, and the achievers won't get praised for achieving easy things.

If you are a doer, you want it as hard as possible. If you are an achiever, you will work to make absolutely sure you get your shiny, even if it means other people can't have fun.

Sadly, eve is a game where the point of a doers is usually to make someone elses game less fun, so its hard to filter who is who, unless you ask yourself who is trying to ruin the game for as many people as possible via changing the rules, vs who is trying to ruin the game by in-game griefing.

tl;dr if your rule changes make it easier for anyone without addressing a clear imbalance, you are doing it wrong.

Nerf Incursions please.

Buff nullsec.

WoW player who rushed to nullsec thinking it was endgame detected.

Incursions are fun!

Incursions dont need to be fixed, they are not broken.

A lot of things in EVE are not fun, so they need to be fixed.

Fix that which is broken, its a better use of your time, and a better way to generate more interested players.
After I found out how fun incursions are, several of my RL friends have come back to EVE, because I told that to my great surprise, EVE was fun again.

Incursions has a much larger FUN/hour factor than any other PVE content in EVE.

This is what should matter.