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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:42:00 -
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Letrange wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone,
We're in the process of scheduling some developer time to review the Incursion content, and make adjustments as needed. We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.
Thanks, -Greyscale So, what you're saying is that the CSM (which consists of prety much only 0.0 leaders) was bitching that their pilots were up in high sec running incursions instead of being in their fleets in 0.0 like they want. I predict an incoming hard nerf since the squeaky whines are coming from the CSM this time.
I got to say this sounds more likely than anything else
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
769
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:44:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:NULL SECers once again crying because someone in HI SEC can make some ISK... Want to make REAL ISK with no RISK get a TECH MOON! I say NERF the TECH MOONs and say have drones poop techtanium dollups so its not just a NULL SEC passive farm item. At least HI sec Incursions are not a passive way to make you rich
spoken like someone who has never enjoyed a good book or movie while running logi on vanguards
sure its not PI, but it sure as hell isn't work either
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:48:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone,
We're in the process of scheduling some developer time to review the Incursion content, and make adjustments as needed. We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.
Thanks, -Greyscale
Never listen to CSM. They are all in some big alliance.... and will offc. get rid of incursion. They want theyr players back |
mkint
605
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:50:00 -
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Gogela wrote:mkint wrote:Chandaris wrote: - payouts for lowsec and nullsec incursions should be dramatically increased (like 5x) -- the risk running them is enormous
No. No, no, no. nullbear mega-blox RMTers do not need more monopolies. One alliance dumping all it's people into one low/null constellation and grinding half a billion isk per individual per hour is bad. 1 vg system supports approx 50 people... the nullbear alliances do not need the power to grind 1 super per hour per system with what adds up to be essentially NO risk. It would be trivially easy for asshat fucktards like goons to trigger uncontrollable inflation effectively removing everyone else from the game. post less stupid next time. I think I'm starting to get your thought process. Whereas most players take a look at the system overall and try to find a way they can adapt their play style to the game and the other players to reach their goals, you have a play style that is set in stone and you want eve to conform to you. Sounds lazy. I would make some kind of argument trying to convince you that half the fun is overcoming the challenges of the game, but I don't care anymore. Recycle your char. is my only advice. Since we're talking about personal playstyles... I'll admit, maybe I don't want to adapt to certain changes... But I know that's my own issue, and I never make the argument "it's too hard for me to change." The argument I make, and will always make until it changes, is that life is too easy for nullbears. AFK empires should fall. Lazy empires should fall. Holding the same sov for more than a year should be a rarity. Change is life, permanence is death. Every change that has ever happened in nullsec has lead toward permanence, stagnation. Until nullsec is made permanently volatile (i.e. fresh), the ONLY viable long term careers in EVE is "nullbear stooge" and "nullbear RMTer" everything else being a dead end, and thus EVE being a dead end. That is why I will ALWAYS argue in favor of those who might topple the lazy afk RMTing behemoths, as those are the only changes that can stop EVE from dying. The only motivation I can think of for arguing (much less developing) in favor of the RMTing behemoths is if you stand to personally profit from their RMT. And if development heads even further in that direction, EVE is already dead but just doesn't know it yet.
Oh, and to frame my goon jab, I accept that they have a right to be dickheads, but I'm irritated that they are constantly rewarded for it instead of punished. That's not gamebreaking though, except for when it is (as is reflected in my argument against the five fold increase in null/low incursion payments.)
edit: I would be in favor of a change to incursion payouts to favor corps over individuals... To get current (or maybe even buffed) payouts in incursions, all fleet members must be in the same corp, else it's 10-20% lower than current rates. Perhaps even a sliding scale... 50% of fleet is in corp, and there's 50% of the corp bonus to the fleet. I would support this, even though it would nerf my own income, as I've only ever flown incursions with 1 corp member once. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
283
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:00:00 -
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mkint wrote:Since we're talking about personal playstyles... I'll admit, maybe I don't want to adapt to certain changes... But I know that's my own issue, and I never make the argument "it's too hard for me to change." The argument I make, and will always make until it changes, is that life is too easy for nullbears. AFK empires should fall. Lazy empires should fall. Holding the same sov for more than a year should be a rarity. Change is life, permanence is death. Every change that has ever happened in nullsec has lead toward permanence, stagnation. Until nullsec is made permanently volatile (i.e. fresh), the ONLY viable long term careers in EVE is "nullbear stooge" and "nullbear RMTer" everything else being a dead end, and thus EVE being a dead end. That is why I will ALWAYS argue in favor of those who might topple the lazy afk RMTing behemoths, as those are the only changes that can stop EVE from dying. The only motivation I can think of for arguing (much less developing) in favor of the RMTing behemoths is if you stand to personally profit from their RMT. And if development heads even further in that direction, EVE is already dead but just doesn't know it yet.
Oh, and to frame my goon jab, I accept that they have a right to be dickheads, but I'm irritated that they are constantly rewarded for it instead of punished. That's not gamebreaking though, except for when it is (as is reflected in my argument against the five fold increase in null/low incursion payments.) I agree about the AFK empires... that's what Empire space is for. I also agree that holding space for that long should be rare, but not impossible. The reason the alliances can hold space for that long is because 1) they can indefinitely sprawl their empire laterally because all of space is pretty much the same moon goo aside and 2) (also because space is all the same) nobody wants to fight for another alliances space because they can just pick up and go somewhere else.
Also: I don't see how goons get rewarded for their asshattery other than getting to keep their scam money. They are just an alliance in my view. Neither good nor bad. They just play the game. Nothing wrong with that.
I still don't see what any of this has to do with adjusting the way incursions work.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:02:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:NULL SECers once again crying because someone in HI SEC can make some ISK... Want to make REAL ISK with no RISK get a TECH MOON! I say NERF the TECH MOONs and say have drones poop techtanium dollups so its not just a NULL SEC passive farm item. At least HI sec Incursions are not a passive way to make you rich
How about CCP nerf tech moons AND highsec incursions? ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
mkint
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:05:00 -
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Gogela wrote: I still don't see what any of this has to do with adjusting the way incursions work.
Nullbear RMTers want to stamp out any competition before it shows up. CSM, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions, are nullbear RMTers. CCP Greyscale develops the game in ways that favor the nullbear RMTers and crushes competition. A big collaboration of nullbear RMTers deciding how to develop a game asset that threatens their livelihoods? Take a wild guess as to what direction it will go.
In EVE one thing is sure to never change... to get sov you must have supers. to get supers, you must have sov. Changing that would threaten the RMT machine. |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:11:00 -
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Look honey! Harry got a nice new car.
Wait! I don't have a nice new car!
Harry is screwing me over.... |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
923
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Replace ISK with (more) LP. Everyone wins.
I just needed to quote this as it's the ultimate fix.
I have no issues with highsec incursions being very lucrative, but the obscene amounts of isk created from thin air are a problem (yes - that's banknotes).
Make activities redistribute isk instead of printing hundreds of billions every day. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
210
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:18:00 -
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I think the OP is just an alt for one of the CSM members. The guys who want everything nerfed until people can only become serfs to their empires or quit. |
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium The Forsaken.
34
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:33:00 -
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Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. |
mkint
606
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:36:00 -
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Admiral Pelleon wrote:Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs. *quoted for irony*
As if the nullbears aren't trying to protect their RMT interests by trying to kill incursions. |
Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium The Forsaken.
34
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:40:00 -
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mkint wrote:Admiral Pelleon wrote:Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs. *quoted for irony* As if the nullbears aren't trying to protect their RMT interests by trying to kill incursions.
Nullsec has risks. Highsec has none. If you'd like to play your 99.9% safe hello kitty online, be prepared to pay for it with less income. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2570
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:40:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone,
We're in the process of scheduling some developer time to review the Incursion content, and make adjustments as needed. We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.
Thanks, -Greyscale
As Tippia say: please tilt the rewards away from raw ISK and towards LP. LP are a valuable ISK sink. There is already a vast ISK surplus in the economy. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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mkint
609
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:44:00 -
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Admiral Pelleon wrote:mkint wrote:Admiral Pelleon wrote:Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs. *quoted for irony* As if the nullbears aren't trying to protect their RMT interests by trying to kill incursions. Nullsec has risks. Highsec has none. If you'd like to play your 99.9% safe hello kitty online, be prepared to pay for it with less income. Nullsec incursions pay nearly double. Let's do some math... double... >... not double... Or, half... <... not half...
Oh, but that's right, nullbears are too big of pussies to go out there and get any isk that isn't delivered to their silos every hour on the hour, wind rain or shine, and would rather b!tch and sh!t all over everyone elses' party. |
Barakkus
1482
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:48:00 -
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Admiral Pelleon wrote:Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs.
You realize many, many pvp corps and alliances also utilize high sec incursions to fund pvp. It's not just a bunch of carebears. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
22
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:53:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Admiral Pelleon wrote:Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs. You realize many, many pvp corps and alliances also utilize high sec incursions to fund pvp. It's not just a bunch of carebears.
agreed. For players that only care about PVP, incursions are really the only way to make decent isk so they can buy their pvp ships
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Barakkus
1482
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:55:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:Barakkus wrote:Admiral Pelleon wrote:Many empire bears in here.
Adorable.
As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs. You realize many, many pvp corps and alliances also utilize high sec incursions to fund pvp. It's not just a bunch of carebears. agreed. For players that only care about PVP, incursions are really the only way to make decent isk so they can buy their pvp ships
That is pretty much the only reason I run them and why I don't care when this happens to me: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10581371 http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:55:00 -
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They can fund their PVP in low sec incursions, where they ought to be if they are PVPing in the first place. Defending weekend warriors is no excuse for justifying the stupid income available in high-sec. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Barakkus
1482
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:57:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:They can fund their PVP in low sec incursions, where they ought to be if they are PVPing in the first place. Defending weekend warriors is no excuse for justifying the stupid income available in high-sec.
It's not just weekend warriors and you know it, unless you wanna group Brick sQuad and Noir in the weekend warrior crowd. Whether or not they're running on mains or alts, every single major alliance and corp has people running highsec incursions. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:07:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Lady Spank wrote:They can fund their PVP in low sec incursions, where they ought to be if they are PVPing in the first place. Defending weekend warriors is no excuse for justifying the stupid income available in high-sec. It's not just weekend warriors and you know it, unless you wanna group Brick sQuad and Noir in the weekend warrior crowd. Whether or not they're running on mains or alts, every single major alliance and corp has people running highsec incursions. So make them worthless to these groups. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Barakkus
1482
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:09:00 -
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I have no problem with adjusting the null and lowsec incursions to make them even more attractive. I don't really have a problem with adjusting the isk/lp of highsec incursions. I have a problem with the hypocrites that post nerf incursion threads every other day and they're exploiting them themselves with their alts and laughing all the while and running around generalizing everyone running incursions in highsec as carebears, and yet they sit there and "carebear it up" just the same as everyone else...they just sit there and use alts so they can't be labeled "carebears" themselves. All they're doing is trolling. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
300
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:43:00 -
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Letrange wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone,
We're in the process of scheduling some developer time to review the Incursion content, and make adjustments as needed. We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.
Thanks, -Greyscale So, what you're saying is that the CSM (which consists of prety much only 0.0 leaders) was bitching that their pilots were up in high sec running incursions instead of being in their fleets in 0.0 like they want. I predict an incoming hard nerf since the squeaky whines are coming from the CSM this time.
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Theodemir
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
19
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:59:00 -
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Morganta wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:NULL SECers once again crying because someone in HI SEC can make some ISK... Want to make REAL ISK with no RISK get a TECH MOON! I say NERF the TECH MOONs and say have drones poop techtanium dollups so its not just a NULL SEC passive farm item. At least HI sec Incursions are not a passive way to make you rich spoken like someone who has never enjoyed a good book or movie while running logi on vanguards sure its not PI, but it sure as hell isn't work either
I prefer Futurama.
Watched them all now, along with a few seasons of the simpsons. |
P42ALPHA
DEAD-ON
31
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:17:00 -
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This thread is priceless. Went from a good old fashion Incursion cry, strait too the CSM/Mega Alliences are kill the game.
Epic win...Epic
I think that Dev derailed this faster then any forum troll could have ever dempt of.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
384
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:23:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.
Pity the CSM doesn't actually represent the majority of the playerbase.
Less time pushing your personal small group agendas of wanting everyone to play your game, more time doing the job you're suppose to do guys. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:26:00 -
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BOO HOO I DONT THINK THE CSM REPRESENT HIGH SEC SCRUBLORDS THATS THE ONLY REASON HIGH SEC IS NOT AS LUCRATIVE, I CANT ACCEPT THAT PERHAPS I AM WRONG BUT TRYING TO DELUDE MYSELF BECAUSE I AM TOO COWARDLY TO LEAVE THE TRAINING GROUNDS. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
741
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:27:00 -
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You cannot actually run low sec incursions w/o running into goons or test. Seriously if you have ever gone to a low sec incursion you will see goons and their allies there farming it to death. Goons know where the money is at and how to make it. Why are people complaining about high sec incursions, while the rest of 0.0 is bitching about high sec, they dont see the massive fleet building up in goon space of revenants and nightmares getting ready to move out.
Also while the rest whines about incursions you begin to realize one thing.
How come 0.0 people cant form a simple 10 man fleet to fight them? seriously you hold space have over 1000 people in your alliance and you cant get 10-40 people to run vans and make money. Sounds like some serious failure out there. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
384
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:29:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:BOO HOO I DONT THINK THE CSM REPRESENT HIGH SEC SCRUBLORDS THATS THE ONLY REASON HIGH SEC IS NOT AS LUCRATIVE, I CANT ACCEPT THAT PERHAPS I AM WRONG BUT TRYING TO DELUDE MYSELF BECAUSE I AM TOO COWARDLY TO LEAVE THE TRAINING GROUNDS.
They don't represent anyone other than nullbear empires.
Remember wanting to nerf ABC mining in Wormholes because they didn't know they were 0.0 regions?
Just because you like to troll in caps with terribly thin veiled insults doesn't make your argument right. People don't all want to play a small group's idea of EVE, deal with it.
Obsidian Hawk wrote:You cannot actually run low sec incursions w/o running into goons or test. Seriously if you have ever gone to a low sec incursion you will see goons and their allies there farming it to death. Goons know where the money is at and how to make it. Why are people complaining about high sec incursions, while the rest of 0.0 is bitching about high sec, they dont see the massive fleet building up in goon space of revenants and nightmares getting ready to move out.
Also while the rest whines about incursions you begin to realize one thing.
How come 0.0 people cant form a simple 10 man fleet to fight them? seriously you hold space have over 1000 people in your alliance and you cant get 10-40 people to run vans and make money. Sounds like some serious failure out there.
Some of them don't even run the incursions in their own sov. You fly through a week after they're established and still at full penalties. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:30:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:You cannot actually run low sec incursions w/o running into goons or test. This is completely incorrect.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
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