You're proving his own argument. If the risk / reward was balanced, they wouldn't be doing it in highsec. They do it in highsec because taking most of the reward, yet dropping the risk to zero, is a much better ratio.

No, the changes I'd like are:
- Vanguards to be non-blitzable. If you want to use shiny fleets, do so, they'll provide more safety and most likely efficiency over non-shiny but overall this will lengthen the time it takes to complete them to people who blitz them and get the income/hour to reasonable levels. People who don't blitz them ideally shouldn't see an impact on their hourly income.

- I'd like non-vangard sites to be reevaluated in terms of gain/time. Either by decreasing the time, increasing the rewards or a combination thereof. Variations in terms of difficulty are fine, it's just the payout/time I'd like streamlined.

- I'd like incursions to take longer to reach 100% in highsec, probably by a factor 1.5 to 2, so more casual type of people can participate in incursions instead of seeing them despawn by the time they get on site. This, combined with decent profitability for the other sites means more people can participate.

Also, but not in the "balancing" category per se, I'd like to see more types of incurions, other races than sansha or more sansha content, I'll leave that to the content guys at CCP to decide, but more content that encourages the type of gameplay we've seen here and was previously absent from highsec. Ideally that content would be accompanied by "story" events like we've seen with sansha, in order to get the storyline evolving again and give the RPers some much-needed "fuel".

Still there is no droping to zero .. you can get 5 alpha tornadoes move in .. alpha two of their logistics and watch how it cramble down. There is no zero risk except when you are docked. The major risk difference is in moving.. when in high you move from point A to point B more safely then in null .. /low

You're proving his own argument. If the risk / reward was balanced, they wouldn't be doing it in highsec. They do it in highsec because taking most of the reward, yet dropping the risk to zero, is a much better ratio.

and if the fleet notices that people are trying to break their rep chain somehow, they can just ******* warp out. You're a dumb-ass. High sec incursions are zero risk for shitloads of isk.

1) For the first time in Eve's history, a community has developed which places all differences aside for the sake of making ISK. Every other form of ISK making is generally down to a personal creation level or you are placed in direct competition. (I.e. Missioning on your own or fighting over a tech moon) ....

but I also dislike how this mechanic encourages the RAID mentality of WoW and other theme park MMO's where your ties and choices in game have no effect on your ability to exist within the universe.

However on the other side of the coin, 2/3 Logi pilots could as easily decided to split three ways the loot of 8 faction fit Nightmares just by not repping. Hell, they could fake a disconnect and probably not lose much of a reputation.

Let's keep the lights on and the game growing. Who cares what sec level people play in.

You're replying to all the wrong things. Why bother with highsec 4s, since highsec incursions make more money. Why bother with lowsec plexing, since highsec incursions make more money. Why bother with 0.0 ratting or anomalies or plexing, since highsec incursions make more money. The risk:reward ratio is entirely screwed and it falls to us, the people who are out there in low-sec and null-sec risking our ships on a daily base to say hey, why can these people make hundreds of millions of isk with close to no risk (oh no, suicide blackbirds, what will we do? oh right guardians have a slot for eccm and have ridiculous base Radar strength) under the close protection of CONCORD?

You're replying to all the wrong things. Why bother with highsec 4s, since highsec incursions make more money. Why bother with lowsec plexing, since highsec incursions make more money. Why bother with 0.0 ratting or anomalies or plexing, since highsec incursions make more money. The risk:reward ratio is entirely screwed and it falls to us, the people who are out there in low-sec and null-sec risking our ships on a daily base to say hey, why can these people make hundreds of millions of isk with close to no risk (oh no, suicide blackbirds, what will we do? oh right guardians have a slot for eccm and have ridiculous base Radar strength) under the close protection of CONCORD?

highsec 4s, since highsec incursions make more money. Why bother with lowsec plexing, since highsec incursions make more money. Why bother with 0.0 ratting or anomalies or plexing, since highsec incursions make more money.

The risk:reward ratio is entirely screwed and it falls to us, the people who are out there in low-sec and null-sec risking our ships on a daily base to say hey, why can these people make hundreds of millions of isk with close to no risk (oh no, suicide blackbirds, what will we do? oh right guardians have a slot for eccm and have ridiculous base Radar strength) under the close protection of CONCORD?

And go where.

Lets say you join alliance A because the corp you are going into sounded good or had a friend of yours in it. You get treated like dirt and decide to leave.

You go talk to alliance B. They are blue to A but think you got kicked for a bad reason and treat you as a spy.

You go talk to alliance C. You discover alliance A is hated all over the place and they reject you on sight.

Alliance D wont take you without full API..

On and on and on.

It is not that easy to just leave.

Have you ever heard of this thing called signature radius? Alpha tornadoes won't hit guardians for ****, and if the fleet notices that people are trying to break their rep chain somehow, they can just ******* warp out. You're a dumb-ass. High sec incursions are zero risk for shitloads of isk.

Depends how you measure it, the average pick up from the incursion channel fleet isn't rolling in the high millions every hour ether. Only takes a couple of good drops in lowsec plexes to pick up the high money, same with null. Nothing in incursions compares to finding A-Type modules or high end officer spawns.

because officer spawns and a-type/x-type drops are so common right?

hint: they're not

Sure you can argue that the CSM is representing its constituents, you can tell yourself that they're just jealous, you can convince yourself that they just want to keep hi-sec poor.

And then you can go and look at the PLEX price, and the inflation of mineral values and realise that maybe the endless fountain of isk coming from farming incursions is not the best thing for the Eve economy right now. You can't argue with the numbers.

Same can be said for 150mil/hour isk fleets in incursions.

A-types are common at sub battleship level, hell I've found a fair few myself.

Read again what I said, low/null exploration is not as static in pay as incursions are, but when you score, you score big. The payout dwarfs anything you make from an incursion site.

Nullbear RMTers want to stamp out any competition before it shows up. CSM, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions, are nullbear RMTers. CCP Greyscale develops the game in ways that favor the nullbear RMTers and crushes competition. A big collaboration of nullbear RMTers deciding how to develop a game asset that threatens their livelihoods? Take a wild guess as to what direction it will go.

In EVE one thing is sure to never change... to get sov you must have supers. to get supers, you must have sov. Changing that would threaten the RMT machine.

Oh, but that's right, nullbears are too big of pussies to go out there and get any isk that isn't delivered to their silos every hour on the hour, wind rain or shine, and would rather b!tch and sh!t all over everyone elses' party.

No, the changes I'd like are:
- Vanguards to be non-blitzable. If you want to use shiny fleets, do so, they'll provide more safety and most likely efficiency over non-shiny but overall this will lengthen the time it takes to complete them to people who blitz them and get the income/hour to reasonable levels. People who don't blitz them ideally shouldn't see an impact on their hourly income.

- I'd like non-vangard sites to be reevaluated in terms of gain/time. Either by decreasing the time, increasing the rewards or a combination thereof. Variations in terms of difficulty are fine, it's just the payout/time I'd like streamlined.

- I'd like incursions to take longer to reach 100% in highsec, probably by a factor 1.5 to 2, so more casual type of people can participate in incursions instead of seeing them despawn by the time they get on site. This, combined with decent profitability for the other sites means more people can participate.

Also, but not in the "balancing" category per se, I'd like to see more types of incurions, other races than sansha or more sansha content, I'll leave that to the content guys at CCP to decide, but more content that encourages the type of gameplay we've seen here and was previously absent from highsec. Ideally that content would be accompanied by "story" events like we've seen with sansha, in order to get the storyline evolving again and give the RPers some much-needed "fuel".

Sure you can argue that the CSM is representing its constituents, you can tell yourself that they're just jealous, you can convince yourself that they just want to keep hi-sec poor.

And then you can go and look at the PLEX price, and the inflation of mineral values and realise that maybe the endless fountain of isk coming from farming incursions is not the best thing for the Eve economy right now. You can't argue with the numbers.

Anoms you can single box almost 100M an hour and even more if you have a alt with noctis handy.

That is fair. And warranted.

That is fair.

This is likely fair.

100 percent agreed

Thread is full of QQing high-sec carebears crying that their low risk high reward isk farms are gonna get balanced.


Risk vs Reward.

This thread if filled with MOAR NULL bears QQing that Hi Sec is not under the thumb of NULL corps & getting blown up in free range PvP playing the game how THY want to play not how many HI SECers wanna play it. NERF INCURSIONS AT THE SAME TIME YOU NERF TECH MOONS CCP!!! TECH MOONS PASSIVE INCOME IS WORSE THEN INCURSIONS Have drones poop moon goo to spread out the REAL wealth in CCP

Is this commentary necessary? You're speaking with a pixel spaceship politician.

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I found his statements fair. Sorry you don't like me speaking with a "pixel spaceship politician"