This is completely incorrect.

They don't represent anyone other than nullbear empires.

Remember wanting to nerf ABC mining in Wormholes because they didn't know they were 0.0 regions?


Just because you like to troll in caps with terribly thin veiled insults doesn't make your argument right. People don't all want to play a small group's idea of EVE, deal with it.

Some of them don't even run the incursions in their own sov. You fly through a week after they're established and still at full penalties.

How come 0.0 people cant form a simple 10 man fleet to fight them? seriously you hold space have over 1000 people in your alliance and you cant get 10-40 people to run vans and make money. Sounds like some serious failure out there.

Go check it out when a lo sec incursion is falling in influence zoom over there & see for yourself who is there.

If you look at their agenda's you will see how small minded your comment is. Most of the people I see crying about how unfair the CSM is are irrelevant high-sec risk averse whiners that think farming incursions, avoiding wardecs and mining in peace are the most important issues. Maybe you don't feel represented because you are completely out of touch with the grand scope of the game. The mineral removal in wormhole space was primarily to limit the ease with which systems could become impenetrable fortresses.

Perhaps they aren't interested in Incursions.

Many empire bears in here.

Adorable.

As soon as your gravy train is threatened, you all come out of the woodwork to post. HTFU and move out of your trade hubs.

Again, we're debating individual ideas of what people think EVE is, or should be. But the reality is far from the accusations of people in their T1 battleships making billions out of pugfleets that I grow tired of hearing.

Nullsec has risks. Highsec has none. If you'd like to play your 99.9% safe hello kitty online, be prepared to pay for it with less income.

*looks at wallet*

*looks at ship*

*looks at fleet*

I'm sorry, what was that?

How much are you making per hour, what are you flying and what's your fleet comp?

Then let us know what system that is so you can get rolled by a Faction shield fleet and find yourself losing most contests.

You said T1 battleships can't make billions with pug fleets. None of the rest of your reply to me matters because you are wrong.

Now you're just full of it.

you are WRONG

Its so funny that I warned people of this exact problem back in January of last year. Its not the people in T1 BSs who are cranking out the 150 mil per hour, its the people in their "elite" shiny fleets. Most people in incursions get 60-80 mil per hour tops just because their fleets don't run smoothly (can't find a logi, long wait times between sites, etc).

Now to nerf incursions because the top percentage is apparently making large amounts of ISK severely punishes those who are barely making more than level 4 missions. Hell, a lot of people do it because its an easy way to get a bit of fleet and social interaction in EVE with low risk.

I am no fan of ISK pumps. In my opinion, it's dumb to let the Sansha mother sit there while the sites are farmed. That mother should have a despawn timer and if it's not destroyed, NOBODY gets their ISK and LP rewards for that incursion. This would make things very very interesting.

Hi everyone,

We're in the process of scheduling some developer time to review the Incursion content, and make adjustments as needed. We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.

Thanks,
-Greyscale

Or I am paranoid.

In my opinion, it's dumb to let the Sansha mother sit there while the sites are farmed. That mother should have a despawn timer and if it's not destroyed, NOBODY gets their ISK and LP rewards for that incursion. This would make things very very interesting.

Do you guys even listen to what the csm says about incursions? The current csm loves incursions and wants ccp to implement more pve content like it.

This thread is full of tinfoil.

Show proof.

Show me proof that CSM has stated that they want incursions to be anything but nerfed.

Nerf statements include.

"OMG rebalance vanguards!"
"Less Incursions in hisec"
"Force players into other types of incursions"
"Make incursions more a threat to logis"
"Tweaks to incursions"

etc..

Look at many alliances alliance mail. You will notice this phrase in many different ways "This is a mandatory CTA join or log off" WIth Incursions people can run alts when they don't want to circle a gate or be cannon fodder for the good ole boys club. It gives incentive for alliances to have ship replacement policies and other efforts to urge players to go out.

The CSM is not I REPEAT NOT a good place to get feedback that is accurate on Incursions. Even going to places like BTL Pub is not because a number of incursion runners WANT nerfs to things like vanguards to drive away anything but shiny fleets so their LP value is higher. Utter bias on both fronts.

The CSM may paint a picture of "Incursion Inflation" yet in reality you can make more skillfully blitzing lvl4s with 2-3 accounts. It is just that for once you implemented a feature that TRUELY encourages grouping in hisec and that has the other groups miffed.

If you do ANYTHING leave hisec incursions EXACTLY as they are and increase the spawn rate for nullsec.

This will do two things.

#1 It will allow blues and renters to work together in PVP like setups that will help to encourage grouping on PVP ops and other activities bigger than "This corp dis system"

#2 Gets big nullsec alliances to want to pop them instead of waiting it out. They "wait it out" currently because they don't want to introduce their members to anything that is an alternative of their mandatory CTAs.

I think Incursions are superior in all ways to L4 missions. They generate content, socialization, and in some cases PvP. They're a great way for corps to form and recruit. And, unlike a L4, they can't be botted into being an endless fountain of isk.

So I'm in favor of Hisec incursions being profitable, as at least humans are profiting from them instead of bots, and they drive social interaction between players rather than being a mindless, boring, awful solo activity. Missions bore the hell out of me and I can't imagine doing them for any length of time. Hell, even Incursions get repetitive, but at least you can chat while you do them.

And you are bulls##ting. But of course if you're not going to actually refute the argument with anything other than putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALA I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG" then this is a waste of time.

Running vanguards Blameston tonight there were 3 shield faction fleets and 1 armour faction fleet, as well as a shield Slepneir fleet and a Legion fleet running NCOs.

3 of those fleets left the area because of the hot contestation and sites were clearing faster than they spawned. PuG fleets were getting muscled out and served little purpose than giving other fleets faster payout.

But of course you've got a system all to yourself where your T1 BS fleet is probably chaning outpost sites like there's no tomorrow and never get rolled by a shiny fleet right?

Nullsec has risks. Highsec has none. If you'd like to play your 99.9% safe hello kitty online, be prepared to pay for it with less income.

So, what you're saying is that the CSM (which consists of prety much only 0.0 leaders) was bitching that their pilots were up in high sec running incursions instead of being in their fleets in 0.0 like they want. I predict an incoming hard nerf since the squeaky whines are coming from the CSM this time.

what risk does nullsec have that highsec doesn't again?
nullsec, all alone doing whatever
neut or red in local
warp/cloak
success

highsec local is jammed.. doing your thing and bam, suicide gank, fail RR or any of the other things that happen in highsec that nullbears seem to ignore.

the only issue with incursions is it prints isk.
if it gave out LP it would be better. but it would have to be a lot of LP to compensate for the isk ( note: usually LP= isk sink)