Great! So I resub after couple of years to get some incursion action, now CCP decides to nerf it

Nullbear RMTers want to stamp out any competition before it shows up. CSM, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions, are nullbear RMTers. CCP Greyscale develops the game in ways that favor the nullbear RMTers and crushes competition. A big collaboration of nullbear RMTers deciding how to develop a game asset that threatens their livelihoods? Take a wild guess as to what direction it will go.

In EVE one thing is sure to never change... to get sov you must have supers. to get supers, you must have sov. Changing that would threaten the RMT machine.

Maybe for you. Not for those flying 2-3 2-3B isk ships.

And division by account matters not. You can plex an account or two in a single day running 4s. The rest of the month is pure profit. And you don't have the risks of a drunk logi or other crap that ends up with your ship a smoldering pile of junk.

What needs to happen is eventually IVs and Vs need to be moved into an incursion like grouping system. Hisec moving into a grouping stance will benefit EVE as a whole because it will reduce botting and teach behaviors that can benefit people going into other areas of the game.

Edit: You mentioned 100M an hour with one account. That and the 150 figure assumes everything is PERFECT and that you are running them again and again and again with no downtime for people to change ships or change members of fleets.

I don't know if this has already been clarified since my last post, but alot of people need to stop thinking of money as an absolute. Its a commodity, just like minerals, pi or mods. It has no inherent value, tho, only what people place in it. If there is alot of isk per player, that value goes down because you don't value it as much.

This is simple economics, people. We should have all learned this in high school. :/

EDIT: and I doubt anyone has a problem with incursions themselves, just the payout because its devaluing every other form of isk making. The change the payouts to be LP heavy and isk light is the best idea overall.

No thanks the payouts are fine. Fix the ability of shiny fleets to blitz vanguards and up the value of the higher sites and we are good to go!

So the fix for incursions causing inflation due to to much isk pouring in is to up the payouts?

Makes perfect sense.

if you can't understand the core of the problem, 150M/hr in high-sec when you can't even make that running -1.0 anoms with infinitely more risk, you are dumb

it is fair to make that isk because we fly expensive ship with strangers, the real risk of being suicide ganked, the npcs are strong with superier AIS and we have to compete with other players in for isk (incursion pve really is PvEvP!!)..

Hi everyone,

We're in the process of scheduling some developer time to review the Incursion content, and make adjustments as needed. We've got a stack of feedback from the CSM, and we'll hopefully be blogging about it in the near future.

Thanks,
-Greyscale

Yes people like you have been saying "the EVE economy is at risk OH NOES" for the longest time now when it comes to incursions. But wont show proof except for Plex prices which are not an indicator of anything considering the changes between Incarna and Crucible brought many bittervets back.

Except the economy is doing fine. Bigger issue is hisec people are making isk and folks like you don't like that. Lessens the power of nullsec overlords.

Bigger issue is hisec people are making isk and folks like you don't like that. Lessens the power of nullsec overlords.

it is fair to make that isk because we fly expensive ship with strangers, the real risk of being suicide ganked, the npcs are strong with superier AIS and we have to compete with other players in for isk (incursion pve really is PvEvP!!)..

I got to say this sounds more likely than anything else

And this is coming from a person who likes to run them for extra isk, but this is just wtf stupid.

1. I can quickly fleet up in an incursion and get 100 mil in an hour. During that hour, I could also be scanning down a good class 3 wormhole, forming up a fleet for it, moving ships to the WH, and I might make the same amount of isk. It depends on whether or not I get shot in the process of making it (no bounties, need to carry everything out).

2. Everyone does vanguards. FFS EVERYBODY DOES VANGUARDS. It's ******* PACKED in the vanguard systems because of the legion + NCO = iskiskisk. This is stupid. Vanguards shouldn't be the isk printing machines, assaults or HQ's should be much much better and have many more people willing to run them.

3. Low sec incursions should pay WTFisk. It's not worth it with the rate it's at to go out there and try to run the incursions.

just sayin'.

Sure after a while they would summon the chivalry and we had to GTFO but their afternoon was broken anyway. And no, the increased LP and pirate BPCs imho would not cover the hassle of all of the above.

Well as for my opinion

Sounds like the problem lies in the risk/reward of null, not hisec. If the payouts in null don't cover the hassle like you say above, why bother at all? That has nothing to do with hisec rewards but taking one step forward and two back. If that's what the bears have to look forward to in null, no one will think that is worth their $15/mo.

It's not a problem of R/R in null, because those guys would still return doing their PvE after we left. They were not escaping back to hi sec. It was an example of fine balance between risk and reward, some days they get the booty some days we did.

What's wrong with the current implementation of incursions? They are one of the few un-nerfed ISK faucets left in EvE. Missions were nerfed like 3 times in the last years, even 0.0 anomalies got (over) nerfed to the point CCP had to re-tweak them.

ISK faucets can be BAD, they are only needed to offset the global financial balance sinks to keep an equilibrium.

The moment one of them gets exploited then the equilibrium starts breaking and this is when CCP have to come in and close the loop hole.

Notice there are many huge money makers in EvE (moon mining, trading...) but none of them creates ISK out of thin air.

Paradoxically, it's more global economy damaging one exploited incursion than 1 year of moon goo selling. The former creates some billions out of thin air, the latter only involves (much) ISK changing hands. Minus sov fees and similar (this makes moon mining actually an ISK sink).

Why would we go to High Sec to run incursions, when we can do it in the comfort and safety of our Sov Systems and make more ISK doing it.

Incursions are the one and only ISK faucet that cannot be botted.