Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:08:49
NA descyn is not the biggest problem(it's a problem made becus we blob;) ,

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but a Supercapital wil die fast now, they are way to easy to kill!
Even before the new fix moterships died. What they shuld have done was to make the dd eat all the cap, and make it unable to jump out 10minutes after the DD was fired, A dictor bubble shuld NOT stop ships jumpin out, but just hold them for warping out
All other ships can jump while in a dictor bubble, wy cant supercaps? (yes i know they dont use gates)

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Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur

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Indeed all you need is a dicto. Dictors are so pwn mobile they can single out Mothership tank like this *CLICK*.

Why even field a massive fleet to take out the MS... Why need support fleet for MS every one should fly dictors!!!

Scoop of the day man Dictors FTW!!!

Dictors can tank 20 + litgh drones and a support fleet! NERF dictors!!!

MS are not the invulnarable pwn mobile anymore!!! CRY me a river...

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:07:09
So the only tool to figthing of blobbing is now usless?

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Originally by: level80uberruler

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Edited by: level80uberruler on 24/07/2007 17:33:59

Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:07:09
So the only tool to figthing of blobbing is now usless?

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Hahahaha n00b. Titans caused blobs since it could DD any small fleet. In fact it created cap blobs.


lol you fail

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Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur

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Look at the GOONS frap and coutn the number of dictors, BS, Dread and all.

Bob pulled out because they chickened out their cap fleet.

And get the GOON TS version where you here all the dictors pilot calling their aggressor. GOONS pulled a very coordinated attack in a short call. Those dictors died and worked very hard.

Bob could have saved the titan but decided to saved the cap fleet.

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Originally by: kittypaws

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I sux

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Originally by: level80uberruler

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Edited by: level80uberruler on 24/07/2007 17:33:59

Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:07:09
So the only tool to figthing of blobbing is now usless?

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Hahahaha n00b. Titans caused blobs since it could DD any small fleet. In fact it created cap blobs.


lol you fail

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hmm titans killed blob's yeah? and i have newer seen so much blobbing as i do now. you fail thank you

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Originally by: DubanFP

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edit: Oh and of course the Doomsday device wouldn't be effected by the Siege modifier.

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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris

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I hope u do realise with motherships that if the pilot is acting as part of a small gang without a large support fleet they are most likely to fit officer smartbombs. Guess what this means...

By by dictors, by by bubbles.

(Also that the mothership pilot aint a noob and decides to do the sensible when solo)

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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris

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I hope u do realise with motherships that if the pilot is acting as part of a small gang without a large support fleet they are most likely to fit officer smartbombs. Guess what this means...

By by dictors, by by bubbles.
(Also that the mothership pilot aint a noob and decides to do the sensible when solo)

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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once again... a 50% bonus to cap for every ship in the fleet is worth 50 bil alone.

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Originally by: Haakon Jarl

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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once again... a 50% bonus to cap for every ship in the fleet is worth 50 bil alone.

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Yeah but youre a n00b

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Originally by: Hannobaal

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The Titan before was impossible to kill in battle. The two that were killed were killed because they logged off with an aggression timer, which made them sitting ducks once they were probed out.

Now, they are balanced. If you're going to use them you need a big fleet to protect them. That's as it should be.

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Originally by: Yaay

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Originally by: Hannobaal

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The Titan before was impossible to kill in battle. The two that were killed were killed because they logged off with an aggression timer, which made them sitting ducks once they were probed out.

Now, they are balanced. If you're going to use them you need a big fleet to protect them. That's as it should be.

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Funny, and here I thought we were trying to reduce lag and oversized fleets...

Titans did get overly nerfed, and it's a shame they don't take the front lines anymore, whether BOB or other. If you notice, no Titans have been launched since that patch, yet several were close to build stage. It was overpowered before, and nobody argued about that. It only needed 2 real fixes, it's capacitor, and it's remote DD. The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

Desyncs have been the smallest problem in super cap warefare. Now it's an issue of choosing 15 carriers over one mom, or 55 dreads over 1 titan. With the current state, it's pretty obvious which people are choosing. Super Capitals should be tough to kill, and should take a lot of work and planning (not dumb luck, not a few dictors and a ton of dreads).

I don't defend the titan kills on our side, they were what they were. Love em or hate em, at least they were preventable from the other side. Dictor bubbles are causing the same argument that existed before patch for normal capitals. Why should 1 tiny ship be able to hold down a something so big. It's easy to argue for until it directly affects you. It's funny how many people wanted capital class scrambling mods, yet instead, they went with something that required far less risk for such a great reward.

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been.

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: Endeva

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just remove dictor bubbles and put ingame supercapital warp disruptor that can scramble i.e 50k and can be mounted only on titan or mom
so i you wanna kill supercap you need to put your supercapital at field.

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Originally by: ElanMorin6

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Seems like the bigger problem is wrecks being able to bump supercaps, redering anyone with some shuttles or noobships capable of "warp scrambling" a supercap.


Make wreck HP a fucntion of wreck size. Shuttle/noobship wrecks should be exploded by 1 large smartbomb going off. Frig wrecks by 2 large smartbomb activations. Cruiser/BC/BS wrecks would have more HP. Problem solved. If you want to "tackle" a supercap with wrecks you need to sacrifice battleships to do it, not noobships.

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:07:09
So the only tool to figthing of blobbing is now usless?

Any one seen a titan in use after the nerf?
Any one used the titan FOR FIGTHING after the nerf?

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: Scatim Helicon

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And those alliances who don't own any supercaps (Goonswarm does, before you start) just have to sit there and cry while the invincible death machine pilot presses butan and prints out another 5 pages worth of killmails?

"Welcome to Super-Capitals Online".

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: Ghost Reaper

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Edited by: Ghost Reaper on 25/07/2007 00:54:01
Seeing as the devs are reading and replying to this thread, can i get a response to the following:

Do you have any plans to change titans in there current format, or is this how they were 'meant' to be?

You never expressed any 'drastic' changed likes this before the forums were attacked, so what brought on the 'lets turn titans into a suped up freighters'

Gr

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Whaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaa sob sob sob whaaaaaaaa whyyyyy cpp whaaaaaaaaa super caps should own everything whaaaaaaaa BoB has no unbeatable advantage anymore whaaaaa were going to lose whaaaaaa whyyyy ccp whyyyyyy whaaaaaaa

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Smartboms got a 10k range, Dictor bubbles got a 20k range check your info first ;)

FACTS:
No titan's build since the nerf
No dd's fired since shrike lost his
Titans are way to UNDERPOWERD
Titans are to easy to kill

add more please,

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Originally by: Yaay

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The capacitor could have easily been fixed by causing the DD to take at least 60% of it's cap.

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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if you ever do that let me know in advance so i can stock up on cap boosters

i imagine titans will still be useful, one sets off a dd, and 1 more cynos in and lets of another dd, with a 3rd titan to set of a 3 dd. 1 clears a fleet and acts as decoy, #2 for the reenforcement, #3 for the pods.

or even 10 titans dding every 6 mins. byebye dictor bubbles

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Originally by: Alis Aquilae

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IMO, titans need more logistics capability, and bumping really needs to be fixed. To me, bumping zergs (of ships many thousandths the size of the ship being bumped), to destroy a ship that takes a huge group of players month to build, although "creative" game mechanics, is a little on the ridiculous side.

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Originally by: ForumPosterAlt

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Originally by: Alis Aquilae

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IMO, titans need more logistics capability, and bumping really needs to be fixed. To me, bumping zergs (of ships many thousandths the size of the ship being bumped), to destroy a ship that takes a huge group of players month to build, although "creative" game mechanics, is a little on the ridiculous side.

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Titans have two escape mechanics.
Warp.
Jump.

A titan is only vulnerable 10 minutes after DDD.

After said DDD, they can warp. If they were immune to dictor bubbles, then bumping would be the only way to kill a titan.
If bumping didn't work on titans, then the titan could easily just align and wait for a suicide battleship gang to pop the dictor bubbles.

Sadly, this is while the Titan is hugely outnumbered with little to no support. Titans, even with little or no support at all, have to:
A) have been stupid enough to use DDD with little or no support
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B) have interdictors bubble them to keep them from warping when they are alligned
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C) have suiciding enemy ships bumping them for if they have even a couple of support to pop the bubbles
and finally
D) a dread fleet ready to hotdrop after said wiitarded titan pilot blows a DDD with little or no support

No.
Titans need no buffs.
Ever again.

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Their value is indescribable. Functioning for those who own them as a mobile base of operations as well as a flagship, Titans turn the tides of war with their mere presence. Aside from their blistering armament and many-metres-thick armour, they boast the ability to transport entire fleets within their hulks across entire star systems. Their mind-boggling mass can cause small ships to become trapped in the gravity bow-wave before them. A few of these vessels are massive enough that their presence affects planetary tidal patterns.

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Originally by: Zeros Omega

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Their value is indescribable. Functioning for those who own them as a mobile base of operations as well as a flagship, Titans turn the tides of war with their mere presence. Aside from their blistering armament and many-metres-thick armour, they boast the ability to transport entire fleets within their hulks across entire star systems. Their mind-boggling mass can cause small ships to become trapped in the gravity bow-wave before them. A few of these vessels are massive enough that their presence affects planetary tidal patterns.

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http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/apr01-01.asp

this is what TITANS are supposed to do, an interdictor even FLYING near it should be destroyed

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Originally by: Zeros Omega

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Their value is indescribable. Functioning for those who own them as a mobile base of operations as well as a flagship, Titans turn the tides of war with their mere presence. Aside from their blistering armament and many-metres-thick armour, they boast the ability to transport entire fleets within their hulks across entire star systems. Their mind-boggling mass can cause small ships to become trapped in the gravity bow-wave before them. A few of these vessels are massive enough that their presence affects planetary tidal patterns.

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http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/apr01-01.asp

this is what TITANS are supposed to do, an interdictor even FLYING near it should be destroyed

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Originally by: Astro Teller

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Originally by: Zeros Omega

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Their value is indescribable. Functioning for those who own them as a mobile base of operations as well as a flagship, Titans turn the tides of war with their mere presence. Aside from their blistering armament and many-metres-thick armour, they boast the ability to transport entire fleets within their hulks across entire star systems. Their mind-boggling mass can cause small ships to become trapped in the gravity bow-wave before them. A few of these vessels are massive enough that their presence affects planetary tidal patterns.

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http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/apr01-01.asp

this is what TITANS are supposed to do, an interdictor even FLYING near it should be destroyed

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? because of gravity? please- the space shuttle in low earth orbit would like to have a word with you

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Originally by: Bu Jinkan

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Those who argue that the Titan has been over-nerfed have never fueled a POS. The logistical value of a Titan is enormous.

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Yes we all know remote dd was a joke, it was also stupid thath a titan culd jump in fire the DD then jump out again all in 30 sec's!

The 10 minunte "cool down timer" before you can jump out is realy god, not beeing able to jump out of bubbles is stupid,

If you got a plan, you shuld be able to gett a bubble and nos a titan below 71% cap in 10 minutes.

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Originally by: Depp Knight

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Yeah titan is underpowered in combat now but compared to how it was, rather it to be like it is now than then.

CCP really needed to nerf the titan to either A) be able to scram it or hold it down in some way or B)Stop remote DD.

CCP decided to do both. Tisk Tisk

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 25/07/2007 07:44:45
I stop reading other posts some time ago (more or less), so if i wrote here what somebody else mentioned, I apologize.

One of things that CCP have skills to do is going from one extreme point to another, not carring much or thinking what the middle should look like. (Golden middle). Migh not be true, but they trying to make some things that are too complicated to describe with words,so you can imagine what WORK on program/codes should look like then.....ergo, many bugs soon after.

So, first they made it almost imposible to kill...AND, like it wasnt enough, THEY MADE REMOTE DD.

Then they nerfed it so much (little bugs bumping huge ugly ship), etc,etc.....even though this is a si-fi game, some things are way too unlogical.

Personaly, i think they nerfed titans so much on purpose, knowing that bob, with this many active titans while others dont have any, could just run over regions with good planed logistic.....And from neutral point of view (if you can raise above your ingame chars), its perfectly fine to do something about it.

But not like this, when you dont see them in space much either.


As i said, extreme points...there isnt middle.

Before nerf, to much in space
After nerf, almost none in space.

But im not surprised tbh. Ppl stop reading books, they spending to much time at PC thinking all information and wisdom they heard over internet must be true.....making their mind "1 dimensional" over time without real experiance as individuals.....providing you only black and white reality with only bugs they consider as something contributing.

Had to say some crap like this above, or that wouldnt be me

EDIT: I read this last part of my post....and,damn....so much truth in there....my narcis size is flashing atm so much

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Originally by: JP Beauregard

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The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:08:49
NA descyn is not the biggest problem(it's a problem made becus we blob;) , but a Supercapital wil die fast now, they are way to easy to kill!
Even before the new fix moterships died. What they shuld have done was to make the dd eat all the cap, and make it unable to jump out 10minutes after the DD was fired, A dictor bubble shuld NOT stop ships jumpin out, but just hold them for warping out

All other ships can jump while in a dictor bubble, wy cant supercaps? (yes i know they dont use gates)

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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However we seem to follow a rule of more damage is better, because EVERY other mechanic does NOT WORK well or at all - EW, NOS, logistics in part etc. We have a disjoint system where damage (and speed as second) is the king overruling all other aspects. That's why we see blobing as a problem (yes lag is a large factor too).

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Edited by: Kerfira on 24/07/2007 21:09:30
The major thing that affects titans atm is that the physics of ship/object collisions are totally screwed in EVE.

A 1.8 million tonne titan being hit by a 1.2 tonne frigate will be bumped like a balloon getting hit by a hand in real-life!

A titan with a frigate wreck in front of it can not move .past that wreck or shove it out of the way, but have to detour around it (and the titan have a very slow turning speed and acceleration).

So in effect just warping a few noob frigates to the titan from different directions and get them killed by smartbombs is enough to stop a titan dead in its tracks.
In effect equivalent to someone placing a few small pebbles around a truck and it not being able to move because of that.

This is just plain wrong! If a titan decides to move in a direction, everything in its path should be bumped away with only a very minimal effect on the titan.

Fix this, make interdictor bubbles directly target-able by weapons (or have some other kind of counter), and titans will be useful again (as an instrument of war, not just logistics ) though not their old overpowered self.

TBH, it's kinda weird that the ship that was supposed to be THE weapon to counter blobs now has to bring an even BIGGER blob to be usable without certain death...

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Originally by: Ione Hunt

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The nerf rocks!

Titans aren't weak now, you just need to back it up with a sizeable support fleet.

Down with solo-pwn mobiles!!!

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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The Titans are fine in their current state it has pushed combat back into the realm of the regular grunt pilots with Titans taking up the support roles instead (jump bridge, gang bonus, the ability transport additional replacement ships onto the field etc).

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Kerfira

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If the titan did any of the support roles you mention well, you could have a point, but it doesn't.....

Jump bridge: Very useful, but way too short range. Not worth 60b+ though...

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Hangar space: A complete and utter joke. It holds 5 battleships

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Gang bonus: Not much more than supplied by a proper command ship. I.e. not worth 60+b either.

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Their tank is laughable, they can't maneuver because of crappy physics engine, using them in combat is basically suicide UNLESS you use them against enemies that are already inferior to you (hardly something to encourage either).

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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I really love watching as only BoB members and alts are arguing that the Titan nerf was a bad thing. Everyone else just aplauds CCP for it because it has helped to take the focus of big fleet battles away from capital ships and back into the smaller vessels where it should belong IMO.

That beeing said, smartbombs really should affect wrecks and bodies. The idea of having that large a ship stoped in its track by a smaller object is a bit ridiculous. However changing the current mecanics would probably be too dificult so the quickest fix for it would be to allow smartbombs to deal with it.

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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I really love watching as only BoB members and alts are arguing that the Titan nerf was a bad thing. Everyone else just aplauds CCP for it because it has helped to take the focus of big fleet battles away from capital ships and back into the smaller vessels where it should belong IMO.

That beeing said, smartbombs really should affect wrecks and bodies. The idea of having that large a ship stoped in its track by a smaller object is a bit ridiculous. However changing the current mecanics would probably be too dificult so the quickest fix for it would be to allow smartbombs to deal with it.

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Um, everyone is an alt of someone dude unless you're suggesting every alt in here is bob (tinfoil?!) . Kind of like sying it was just goonies and there alts in the nerf titan threads previously. Everyone has there own viewpoint and is entitled to it. Certainly doesn't make them an alt/ pet/ slave/ insert witty fotm saying here

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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I was saying BoB members AND alts, not that the alts are alts of BoB (even though that has a pretty large probability of beeing correct).

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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Hangar space: A complete and utter joke. It holds 5 battleships

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you play nice with numbers here to argue them in your favor, but how many HAC's is that, 50-60? i think most people would agree that's a large hanger size.

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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Gang bonus: Not much more than supplied by a proper command ship. I.e. not worth 60+b either.

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Anyone who's played EVE a long time knows that every % helps, and your not just paying for the gang bonus.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Gang bonus: Not much more than supplied by a proper command ship. I.e. not worth 60+b either.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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please edit your post so we can read it.

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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I really love watching as only BoB members and alts are arguing that the Titan nerf was a bad thing. Everyone else just aplauds CCP for it because it has helped to take the focus of big fleet battles away from capital ships and back into the smaller vessels where it should belong IMO.

That beeing said, smartbombs really should affect wrecks and bodies. The idea of having that large a ship stoped in its track by a smaller object is a bit ridiculous. However changing the current mecanics would probably be too dificult so the quickest fix for it would be to allow smartbombs to deal with it.

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Originally by: Matrixcvd

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..stuff..

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Originally by: SiJira

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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However we seem to follow a rule of more damage is better, because EVERY other mechanic does NOT WORK well or at all - EW, NOS, logistics in part etc. We have a disjoint system where damage (and speed as second) is the king overruling all other aspects. That's why we see blobing as a problem (yes lag is a large factor too).

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this puts so many things into perspective

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Originally by: JP Beauregard

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The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....

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Originally by: Le Bon

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We must not forget that a titan has amazing logistical abilities such as the ability to jump an entire fleet into a system without using jump gates which have amazing tactical implications on defending fleets. But.. is this alone worth 40bil+mods? No.

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Originally by: Le Bon

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It is impossible to have a titan on the field in modern day warefare without heavy losses of capitals. If your fighting enemies that have any sort of a clue they will be on you like a shot dictor rushes etc.. But meh.

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Originally by: Matrixcvd

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So the Titan nerf has really allowed a shift in politics and will continue to for quite some time. thats the difference between a "certain alliance" is that with caps/previous super caps, they could go in and decimate a support fleet 10's of LYs away with having far fewer numbers and basically throw their little rich weight around risking nothing. The alliance with this attitude can't just try and control multiple regions by merely setting up a cyno DD and killing enemies so taht a 30 man gank squad could run amock.

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Originally by: Kerfira

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If the titan did any of the support roles you mention well, you could have a point, but it doesn't.....

Jump bridge: Very useful, but way too short range. Not worth 60b+ though...
Hangar space: A complete and utter joke. It holds 5 battleships
Gang bonus: Not much more than supplied by a proper command ship. I.e. not worth 60+b either.

Their tank is laughable, they can't maneuver because of crappy physics engine, using them in combat is basically suicide UNLESS you use them against enemies that are already inferior to you (hardly something to encourage either).

The guy who suggested capital scramblers instead of interdictor bubbles made a good argument for it, but it'd still need changes to tank and physics to make them useful again....

PS: I LIKE the idea of big! Big ships! Big losses! Big explosions! etc., etc.
Titans/mommyships in combat adds a lot to the epic scope EVE... It's just sad that this epic aspect of the game has been removed...

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: Matrixcvd

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..stuff..

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just a few dreads will down a titan in under 3 minutes. how often did you risk 70-80bil to fire just one DD and then die due to being primary?

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Originally by: fuze

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The point is that like Darcuese said there is nothing in between here. A ship with this pricetag on it got nutered down to a industrial supercapital.

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Originally by: fuze

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One thing is that I hope that CCP does realize that they should rethink their nerfings a tad more better and take in account that it not only influences the political landscape as well as be fair for those who own such a behemoth.

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Originally by: fuze

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And to the role of support I agree fully that these ships shouldn't survive without them. But taking them down in 3-5 min with just a few dreads is pathetic IMHO. What about super-capital modules? Just like the jumpbridge and DDD.

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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[...]
If the titan did any of the support roles you mention well, you could have a point, but it doesn't.....

Jump bridge: [...] Not worth 60b+ though...
Hangar space: A complete and utter joke. It holds 5 battleships
Gang bonus: Not much more than supplied by a proper command ship. I.e. not worth 60+b either.

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Agreed that individually each bonus is not worth 60 bill that is why it is not worth 180 bill...

But all bonus together It is worth the 60 big...

Unbreakability? This thing is a titan not a dreadnought why should we get a 2nd bigger dread? would be pointless
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Originally by: Neena Valdi

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Just a question. Lets imagine situation.
Hostiles have 70-80 dreads in a siege mode stomping the Titan along with 5+ motherships (the numbers are quite possible nowadays). The question: what you need to do to save the said titan?

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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We discussed this briefly when looking into the super cap issues, but sadly no amount of cap usage on the DD would prevent a titan from jumping almost immediately after firing the DD. An Avatar in gang can obtain a recharge time of 7.96sec with the right modules. This means that even if the DD completely drained the titan's cap, then it would have recovered a sufficient amount of cap to jump after approximately 3sec (barely enough time to type "LOL" in local ). Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability. The problem is that cap recharge is not stacking nerfed as it ought to have been. Unfortunately making cap recharge stacking nerfed would break a very large number of setups and aside from "fringe issues" like this one there aren't any truly compelling reasons for doing so and having to re-balance every single ship.

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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From an RP perspective: It really bugs me that large ships don't have enough presence on the battlefield. A titan should be like a super-stardestroyer in Star Wars, the type of ship a galactic empire can only afford to have a couple of but makes your enemies flee in terror the moment it arrives on the battlefield.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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From an RP perspective: It really bugs me that large ships don't have enough presence on the battlefield. A titan should be like a super-stardestroyer in Star Wars, the type of ship a galactic empire can only afford to have a couple of but makes your enemies flee in terror the moment it arrives on the battlefield.

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Umm you do remember that the Executor was taken down by a single A-Wing through through the command deck.
An A-wing is much much smaller then any dictors we have..

Didn't your mommy ever tell you that size dosen't matter.

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Quote:

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The Executor was destroyed at the Battle of Endor after the shields protecting the bridge superstructure were knocked down by a heavy bombardment from the Rebel fleet. Rebel fighter pilot Arvel Crynyd, his A-wing spinning out of control, crashed into the Executor's unprotected command tower, smashing through portions of the bridge section, disabling the massive ship's navigational systems and causing it to drift into a collision with the incomplete second Death Star, where the Star Dreadnought was vaporized.

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Originally by: Hllaxiu

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Also, to the first poster in the post chain, a Revelation is larger than the Executor.

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Quote:

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it costs 40 bil isk to bulid, and takes lots of efort and time to build. but it can be can be killed by a ship thath cost's 10mil, and a module that cost 200k isk.

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Originally by: Hllaxiu

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Uhm. You need to watch that scene again. From wookieepedia:

Quote:

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The Executor was destroyed at the Battle of Endor after the shields protecting the bridge superstructure were knocked down by a heavy bombardment from the Rebel fleet. Rebel fighter pilot Arvel Crynyd, his A-wing spinning out of control, crashed into the Executor's unprotected command tower, smashing through portions of the bridge section, disabling the massive ship's navigational systems and causing it to drift into a collision with the incomplete second Death Star, where the Star Dreadnought was vaporized.

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Saying that the executor was taken out by an A-wing is kinda like saying that Molle's titan was taken out by an interdictor. Sure, it needed to be there, but the Dreads (MonCals) were the ships that really destroyed it (well, provided the firepower that lead to the ship's desctruction).

Also, to the first poster in the post chain, a Revelation is larger than the Executor.

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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth

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Is your point that you think Titans should all be given trenches, just wide enough for an interceptor to fly down and a reactor core target at the end?

I like it ;)

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?

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Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:48:09
Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:46:46

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?

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Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move.

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true.. but...
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http://www.paul.penguincrossing.com/images/eve_chart-rmr.jpg

a POS gun is the size of a frigate.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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If you actually watch the scene the bridge deflector "globe thinggy" was destroyed by 2-3 x or y wings. Hence loosing the bridge deflector.. allowing the A wing to crash into it (gotta admit thats a hell of a lucky shot for an out of control fighter) hence loosing control and getting sucked to the Death Star due to gravity.

You assume that the Mon Cal "dreads" actually did much. Most likely the ships shields were still fully functional (I never saw any secondary explosions or fires burning) until the bridge lost its shield and got smacked. Remember the quote "Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through".. sorta implies that nothings actually hurt the SSD yet.. least not enough to make them hurry around rather then simply standing on the deck watching. It dosen't matter how many turbolasers the Mon Cal's "might" have shot at it with when it was the snubfighters that brought down the bridge shields and 1 A-wing that destroyed the command deck causing the ship to crash.

Remember that as a small rebel fleet vs a very large 30+ strong Destroyer force as well as a 19km Super Star Destroyer.. Home 1 (Admiral Ackbars ship) was slightly larger then an Imp Star duce while the 2-3 other mon cal ships were roughly equal or less then to an Imperial II class Star Destroyer.

Point is.. the ship was brought down directly via snubfighters.. not capital ship assaults.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Do you actually think those last three ships were the entire bombardment of the destroyer? That activates my hilarity unit.

"We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!"
―Admiral Ackbar, on board Home One during the Battle of Endor

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Originally by: Tom Gunn

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The only titan that died in 'real combat' died because it lacked support to combat the opposing fleet.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Although yes, this is significantly smaller than the Empire's fleet (2900 fighters, and 50 Star Destroyers alone), but the Rebel Alliance could never muster that much.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Do you actually think those last three ships were the entire bombardment of the destroyer? That activates my hilarity unit.

"We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!"
―Admiral Ackbar, on board Home One during the Battle of Endor

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Never said they were.. but with shields still up.. the Mon Cal's couldn't hurt it much. They were still in the process of taking the shields down to get at the chewy center when a stray ship popped the ships head causing it to crash. Sure the Rebel firepower helped.. but the ship was actually broguht down by a few lucky fighters and 1 poor sap in an A-wing before the capital ships could get past the primary shields. Few nicely placed x-wing proton torpedos to take off the bridge shield and nicly crashed A-wing to send it crashing out of control.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Although yes, this is significantly smaller than the Empire's fleet (2900 fighters, and 50 Star Destroyers alone), but the Rebel Alliance could never muster that much.

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And where are you getting these numbers and names from? Wiki again?

Anyone that quotes a wiki as fact automaticly looses the argument.

btw if you think Lucas and friends actually spent the time to come up with names for all the ships you just listed.. you're the crazy one.

Those names are simply fans and writers trying to give it more depth.. other then home 1 and "the medical frigate" there is zero eviudence that any were actually named.. those were just all made up.. like all information in a wiki can be.

Again.. quote wiki as a factual source and loose the argument automaticly

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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I don't know if that's the case. Because in the movie it's not obvious, and as much as I'd like to pretend, I don't know the entire extended universe.

By the way, I edited it to add the whole rebel space fleet.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm
Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:48:09
Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:46:46

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?

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Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move.

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true.. but...
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http://www.paul.penguincrossing.com/images/eve_chart-rmr.jpg

a POS gun is the size of a frigate.

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So? dosen't change the fact that its built with metal too dense to fit on a ship. Also dosent require crew quarters or mess halls or bathrooms or any of the other things that take up the interrior space of a frigate.. lots more room for armor defense.

Think about it.. its nothing but a gun the size of a frigate floating in space. guns are small.. frigates are large.. thats alot of spare room for super dense armor plates... oh and no engines either wich is what usually takes up most of a ships space.

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Originally by: kittypaws

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The 10 minunte "cool down timer" before you can jump out is realy god, not beeing able to jump out of bubbles is stupid,

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm
Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.

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Oh I'm sure the BBC is reliable.. But its not the BBC we are talking about. Nor are we refering to the scientific articles that BBC checked on. We are talking about science fiction entries that are open to interpretation and editign by anyone.

You did read the tidbit at the end?
"Wikipedia came under fire earlier this month from prominent US journalist John Seigenthaler.

The founding editorial director of USA Today attacked a Wikipedia entry that incorrectly named him as a suspect in the assassinations of president John F Kennedy and his brother, Robert.

The false information was the work of Tennessean Brian Chase, who said he was trying to trick a co-worker. "

This alone proves.. Wikipedia as a factual source is incorrect.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:23:26

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm
Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.

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Oh I'm sure the BBC is reliable.. But its not the BBC we are talking about. Nor are we refering to the scientific articles that BBC checked on. We are talking about science fiction entries that are open to interpretation and editign by anyone.

You did read the tidbit at the end?
"Wikipedia came under fire earlier this month from prominent US journalist John Seigenthaler.

The founding editorial director of USA Today attacked a Wikipedia entry that incorrectly named him as a suspect in the assassinations of president John F Kennedy and his brother, Robert.

The false information was the work of Tennessean Brian Chase, who said he was trying to trick a co-worker. "

This alone proves.. Wikipedia as a factual source is incorrect.

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Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.

The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.

Amazingly enough, there's a great Wikipedia page of Errors in the Encyclopedia Britannica that have been Corrected in Wikipedia

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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nice.
I think you just won.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.

The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 26/07/2007 03:47:20

Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.

The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.

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Actually my logic is you cannot necessarily argue as fact based on something thats editable by anyone that wants to click the edit button. Sure it may get changed eventually once someone catches it but the fact of the matter is it can be changed at any time by anyone regardless of if they catch it 10 seconds or 10 months later.

Sure the Encyclopedia may have wrong answers in it.. everything is subject to inaccuracies.. but not everything is subject to any websurfers whim that decides their version is better. Nor are we discussing the encyclopedia and its possible inaccuracies.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41
wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right

but I still think Illyria is a troll

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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but I still think Illyria is a troll

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 04:05:33

Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41
wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right

but I still think Illyria is a troll

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So then you don't cite wikipedia, but you site the website that they cited. Gets around the name bias.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 04:05:33

Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41
wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right

but I still think Illyria is a troll

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So then you don't cite wikipedia, but you site the website that they cited. Gets around the name bias.

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its not just a name bias, its way too easy to get BAD information from wikipedia

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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yes because the media is always so trustworthy

Cause if the BBC says it it must be true!

seriously, you have to have a better argument than that

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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OMG stay on topic.

My god look what you started! where fighting over the BBC, wikis and how this related to how many battle cruisers where in the star wars movie!

what have we become?!?!?!?!

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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OMG stay on topic.

My god look what you started! where fighting over the BBC, wikis and how this related to how many battle cruisers where in the star wars movie!

what have we become?!?!?!?!

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Defending the fourms of the internet from the scum of the world

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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and I can come up with just as many links supporting the opposite point, I never said they were lying, but they all have their own angles

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Originally by: Tarron Sarek

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Talk about derailing a thread..

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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From an RP perspective: It really bugs me that large ships don't have enough presence on the battlefield. A titan should be like a super-stardestroyer in Star Wars, the type of ship a galactic empire can only afford to have a couple of but makes your enemies flee in terror the moment it arrives on the battlefield.

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Umm you do remember that the Executor was taken down by a single A-Wing through through the command deck.
An A-wing is much much smaller then any dictors we have..

Didn't your mommy ever tell you that size dosen't matter.

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Hllaxiu

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Uhm. You need to watch that scene again. From wookieepedia:

Quote:

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The Executor was destroyed at the Battle of Endor after the shields protecting the bridge superstructure were knocked down by a heavy bombardment from the Rebel fleet. Rebel fighter pilot Arvel Crynyd, his A-wing spinning out of control, crashed into the Executor's unprotected command tower, smashing through portions of the bridge section, disabling the massive ship's navigational systems and causing it to drift into a collision with the incomplete second Death Star, where the Star Dreadnought was vaporized.

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Saying that the executor was taken out by an A-wing is kinda like saying that Molle's titan was taken out by an interdictor. Sure, it needed to be there, but the Dreads (MonCals) were the ships that really destroyed it (well, provided the firepower that lead to the ship's desctruction).

Also, to the first poster in the post chain, a Revelation is larger than the Executor.

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Hmm perhaps you need to watch that scene again rather then quoting wiki like fact.

If you actually watch the scene the bridge deflector "globe thinggy" was destroyed by 2-3 x or y wings. Hence loosing the bridge deflector.. allowing the A wing to crash into it (gotta admit thats a hell of a lucky shot for an out of control fighter) hence loosing control and getting sucked to the Death Star due to gravity.

You assume that the Mon Cal "dreads" actually did much. Most likely the ships shields were still fully functional (I never saw any secondary explosions or fires burning) until the bridge lost its shield and got smacked. Remember the quote "Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through".. sorta implies that nothings actually hurt the SSD yet.. least not enough to make them hurry around rather then simply standing on the deck watching. It dosen't matter how many turbolasers the Mon Cal's "might" have shot at it with when it was the snubfighters that brought down the bridge shields and 1 A-wing that destroyed the command deck causing the ship to crash.

Remember that as a small rebel fleet vs a very large 30+ strong Destroyer force as well as a 19km Super Star Destroyer.. Home 1 (Admiral Ackbars ship) was slightly larger then an Imp Star duce while the 2-3 other mon cal ships were roughly equal or less then to an Imperial II class Star Destroyer.

Point is.. the ship was brought down directly via snubfighters.. not capital ship assaults.

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Titans are are fine, leave them as is. Last titan kill took a few dozens capitals to achieve - and these capitals cost even more than a titan. So i dont see any problem here.

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Titans are are fine, leave them as is. Last titan kill took a few dozens capitals to achieve - and these capitals cost even more than a titan. So i dont see any problem here.

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So you think it's not a problem that biomass can stop a titan or mothership in it's tracks and bounce it the other way? There is some tweaking to do no matter which way you look at it.

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Originally by: Voculus

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Titans were not nerfed enough. In fact, Titans should be nerfed out of existance. I still can't believe how the peeps at CCP sat down and decided that destroying 200+ ships in an instant with a single mouse click was a good idea.

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Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur

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On a side note I wonder now with the bombers what could have both sides done...

Those bomb take out wrecks and dictors I guess? As well as drones....

We yet have to see a coordinated small bomber fleet action.

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Originally by: Cipher7

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Did Molle recently lose another Titan?

Oh wait, he got 264 killmails yesterday.

Underpowered?

Yeah ok.

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Originally by: kittypaws

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Edited by: kittypaws on 24/07/2007 17:07:09
So the only tool to figthing of blobbing is now usless?

Any one seen a titan in use after the nerf?
Any one used the titan FOR FIGTHING after the nerf?

Evil Thug even said he wuld never use it again becuse its so wonerable after the patch.
It is one of the most unbalanced ship's in eve atm. it costs 40 bil isk to bulid, and takes lots of efort and time to build. but it can be can be killed by a ship thath cost's 10mil, and a module that cost 200k isk.

yes i know they nedded a nerf realy realy bad, but ccp didd a bit to much here.

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Titans are are fine, leave them as is. Last titan kill took a few dozens capitals to achieve - and these capitals cost even more than a titan. So i dont see any problem here.

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So you think it's not a problem that biomass can stop a titan or mothership in it's tracks and bounce it the other way? There is some tweaking to do no matter which way you look at it.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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yes because the media is always so trustworthy

Cause if the BBC says it it must be true!

seriously, you have to have a better argument than that

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Originally by: Trind2222

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After reading more i am not sure if we need a buff and bob success is they are ucing
it many can't deny that bob is best titan owner in this game as they are good
at using it they learn from the last mistake at are using it whit more success.

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Originally by: theposterofchoice

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Why can nobody use an apostrophe properly? :(

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Originally by: cal nereus

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Originally by: theposterofchoice

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Why can nobody use an apostrophe properly? :(

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What's an apostrophe? Is that a new Amarr ship?

On Topic: Titans have become more of a tactical logistics tool than an actual wtfpwnmobile, which is fine. Perhaps not worth its cost, but that is up to the individual alliance to decide.

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Originally by: kittypaws

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lol i haven lived in 0.0 all my eve-life, and ofc this is a alt..
Coming from tcf about blobing is not mather, you work with the Blobbers yourself aka, the goons ;)

A titan culd kill lots of ships in a blast yes, and they where to powerfull!
They got a nerf, and they got nerfed way to much! making them unable to jump out of bubbles is just stupid, you culd kill supercaps before this(yes i know titans where realy realy hard to kill, but not imposible

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Originally by: Ildryn

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Originally by: kittypaws

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lol i haven lived in 0.0 all my eve-life, and ofc this is a alt..
Coming from tcf about blobing is not mather, you work with the Blobbers yourself aka, the goons ;)

A titan culd kill lots of ships in a blast yes, and they where to powerfull!
They got a nerf, and they got nerfed way to much! making them unable to jump out of bubbles is just stupid, you culd kill supercaps before this(yes i know titans where realy realy hard to kill, but not imposible

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Post with your main so your experience wont be questioned...

Though the Titan did receive a pretty big nerf its role as a logistics ship is still unchallenged :)

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Originally by: Aequitas Veritas

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Capital Scramblers, and let all capitals use them. Let carriers for instance have strength of 1, motherships 5 and titans 10. If you want to kill a supercap, you need to bring capitals to the job. Today you can just easily lag out system and overwhelm the titans tank which is poo because there is no siege mode, which brings me to the other thing they need to implement a titan siege module. It should be hard to overcome a titan's tank, not something you do in 5 minutes with a bunch of battleships...

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Originally by: SiJira

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Originally by: Aequitas Veritas

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Capital Scramblers, and let all capitals use them. Let carriers for instance have strength of 1, motherships 5 and titans 10. If you want to kill a supercap, you need to bring capitals to the job. Today you can just easily lag out system and overwhelm the titans tank which is poo because there is no siege mode, which brings me to the other thing they need to implement a titan siege module. It should be hard to overcome a titan's tank, not something you do in 5 minutes with a bunch of battleships...

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didnt they nerf the titans just recently? they wont buff them again

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it says it on the forums, so it must be true

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Originally by: CCP Fendahl

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Granted, the setup would probably cost as much as the titan itself, but in my opinion price alone cannot justify (virtual) invulnerability.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I'll add one last point. how many people here HAVE a titan?

lolz.

because it seems like more people than their are titans. and those people MUST know what a titan is good for.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I'll add one last point. how many people here HAVE a titan?

lolz.

because it seems like more people than their are titans. and those people MUST know what a titan is good for.

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