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XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 08:48:00 - [271] War disagrees with the fact he's supposed to carry exotic dancers instead of marines so has bought and trashed all the dancers. Some say he likes the marines uniforms. --------------------------------------
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 09:55:00 - [272] Seeing as there is so much of it going on in this thread i think it deserves this - Smack I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*( www.firestar-online.com
Arcane Carnage omen.	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:03:00 - [273] Congratz tri! Shame I missed all the fun.. . Ures truly kickin' ass Carn
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:06:00 - [274] Sith takes toy dolls. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:11:00 - [275] Originally by: Wraithstorm Originally by: Xenny Lee Originally by: Wraithstorm Desync played a major part in the first engagement. Respect for bringing the numbers, but I will not concede the loss of this battle to your skill. It was massive lag, and desync. By the time our forces loaded, you held the gate firmly, and the bubbles were killed. Your snipers also had time to warp to snipespots so one would assume that your lag/desync was minimal while we sustained the brunt of it. Nonetheless thanks for the fight. First storm post and its a whine about the lag despite the fact they jumped into you.......... Ya lets not say it was skill or numbers or better FCing or a better fleet... lets say it was strictly lag, since its a known fact CCP doesn't like Sparta, "Enter tinfoil hattery" My post was far from whine my friend. I stated what I experienced from a battlefield perspective. TRI of all people know that ESA or I specifically have no problems admitting when we are beaten. Its a game, its going to happen. Storm Armada accepts that fully, however in this one specific instance the outcome of the battle for that gate, system dominance and eventually the Capital POS was not based on FCing, skill or type of ships. It was decided by lag and/or desync depending on what you experienced... Am I saying that we would have held the field? Absolutely not. I am also not saying that TRI would have either. What I am saying is that we didnt get a chance to actually fight, because CCP would rather work on changing my damn costume, and walking in a station then the actual issues this game is having.. To all who participated in that battle, it was an epic event nonetheless. Storm Armada, clear this thread. Let the trolls eat. This is one time I agree with you. The lag and various network/server issues are not helping. I hope that in the future you actually get a chance to have a fight. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Ur235	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:18:00 - [276] Originally by: Arthur Guinness "Waah, Waah!!!" as usual. You guys have NEVER held the field after a fleet battle with us and you never will. Look back over our killboard and CAOD for the battle reports for Tri. I can't remember seeing a fleet battle we've lost in a LONG time. What makes you think this one would be any different? As stated before, you obviously lack a true T2 fleet, disciplined pilots, and experienced FC's. You bring poorly fit T1 ships. We bring T2 fit BS and T2 support ships...every time. You guys freak out over a little lag, which everyone has, and you all shoot whatever you want. I can only imagine the chaos to be heard on your TS channels. Basically, you are just out classed. It's a hard statement to swallow and it's obvious, as you ALWAYS have excuses when we beat you. TBH, if you want a fight and think you could actually win, set up a battle or something with Tri leadership. Bring your best 50 man fleet and we'll bring ours. You will lose, and you will surely have some excuse why. TRI is full of high quality, experienced, Pvp'ers. We fight every day, all day. You guys are...Sparta. We always try and show respect and say "GF" after every battle. But you guys are ALWAYS trying make excuses for your losses. It gets old, and you bring out the bad forum behavior from normally cool headed pilots. T2 Ships/Skill/Experience > T1 ships/BLOB. Every time, all day long. Get used to it, and bring it. And stop whining after you lose FFS. What he said :D
pang0 Umokka Research and Technology Institute	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:31:00 - [277] Edited by: pang0 on 26/07/2007 11:31:26 Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 25/07/2007 18:39:51 I don't mind losing. If you warp in and kick my ass, I'm cool with that. I don't like losing, but it's not so bad if I get beat. However, what really bothers me, and what is at the core of what is bothering loads of ppl (Spartan and non spartan alike) is that you HAVE to take into account non-game factors when playing. Makes me sad to hear this :( Guess the lag monster came for you this time :( I hope latest patches will improve, but there seems to be some basic software flaws with the game that makes fleet battles impossible. CCP: I guess bombs was introduced to decrease the lag, but you need to lower the price dramatically until new version if present. You are probably familiar with this article: (To rewrite or not to rewrite, that is the question).
Rexxar Civire Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:03:00 - [278] Edited by: Rexxar Civire on 26/07/2007 12:09:01 As with most threads , ... Facts , .. and ignorance play a huge role. Lets review - First , ... i am certain no one in that system experienced de-synch. Every Spartan and co-member sat and camped a system with SEVEN ( WTF !!!!! this is complete stupidity ) Large Mobile Warp Disruptors on the gate for 24 hours.... now lets remember , ... we had a memory leak then. Wow the light comes on , ... your clients were so blasted by that time , ... it's easy to understand you didn't load a dammed thing. Your fault for not compensating and adapting,... Period. Easily you would have found the resolve , .. Remain off grid with your fleet , then warp in when we jumped in , ... This would of given you by far the upperhand , had you compensated and re-loaded eve to clear the memory useage before the engagement I am quite sure many more of your members would of been active in the first engagement , ... these are some of the BASIC thought processes for TRI FC's to compensate. Everyone else who knows fleet engagements in this game adapts to the short commings of the server. One spartan commented on how he had a hard time locking the primary targets because there were only frigates around him , ... This is complete failure - your FC's should have throughly instructed you on how to setup your overview and game settings, let alone lead you correctly. Second , .. you state about killing our dreadnaught at 25 percent structure. I will completely concede this , .. that dreadnaught was dead. However , .. at the SAME time , .. we had achived disabling damage to your cyno jammer. This would of enabled our cap fleet to jump in and enable complete control of UEJ. Period. When the server died, ... while it saved us a cap loss , .. it gave you the system for another day where we had taken it. Trust me EVERYONE in the system at the time knew this , .. why do you think the TRI remarks were bitter at best , ... we had just fought 3 hours straight to achieve that goal. Third, i will concede Paddlefoots point of the cyno jammer being bugged. However do not even begin to fool yourself , ... When you began construction of that mothership in your HOME system , .. with the skill of your FC's and pilots , .. and thier obvious ignorance to the game mechanics, .. had completely doomed its chance of success, .. Period. You can dispute these FACTS, in the end they remain true. LEARN from this , ... become stronger , ... Sparta has very dedicated pilots. I have extreme respect for your willingness to fight. Had you simply had better leadership, the kill to loss ratio would have been much different. You were outclassed by far, to expect to hold a system with tech 1 fits and ships , ... is ludicrous, .. Period. You're only bet to ever achieve a super-capital is to better yourself , .. or do it covertly. There are other points to address , .. in the end this mostly sums it up , .. I hope while the Spartans will be upset at thier loss, you can accept the facts , ... place respect where its due , .. hold your heads high and become stronger as a result. Rex
Yarethen Minmatar Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:10:00 - [279] My first fleet battle in 0.0 and what a huge dispointment. I would like to thanks to my fellow alliance pilots for staying calm and at least trying to make good of a bad situation. Although I could not see targets or even move (screen just froze) targets were being called and poeple who could see stepped up to take this responsibility. When I finally logged in (in a pod ) about 20mins later it was all over. Reading this entire thread no one has said that Tri didn't do a good job, they did, but CCP needs to get these things sorted or poeple will get tired of it and either move back to empire or leave the game completely. Anyway thats my little bit. *********************************** I am who I am, I can't change that!! ***********************************
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:31:00 - [280] Originally by: Yarethen My first fleet battle in 0.0 and what a huge dispointment. I think this is the real issue here for many people in 0.0. Living out in 0.0 and maintaining stations and stuff easily gets you sucked into a playstyle where you don't have many fleetbattles. I remember my first battle in a 0.0 fleet after playing for 4 months. Unless you work on getting experience, you will almost always get hammered by enemy fleets that have worked on getting that experience. It has very little to do with being 'better' at PvP, the number of truely great FCs and pilots is very limited. For FCs having a talented and experienced FC is nice and will certainly help a lot. But for the regular pilots in the fleetbattle, it really just comes down to experience and being able to learn from your mistakes. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:56:00 - [281] Im not sure at what point Sparta realised that the "old north" was actually working with TRI but i would have paid alot to have been witness during those moments. Their arrival gave us the impetus to commit to the attack... "this is gonna be either epic win, or epic fail" - XxAngelxX before giving the order to jump into UEJX Everyone experienced varying degress of lag, desync and ctd's. However i do sympathise with the Spartans as ive experienced the same situation where FC's are calling targets that are not visible. Thinking back over the fight, the one thing that stands out was witnessing two deadly efficient gangs warping around the system causing havoc. I really do not envy what Sparta + Allies faced that evening. The lack of overwhelming capitals made this engagement even more enjoyable. You don't need to be a strategic genius to realise that there are shared objectives in the north; what should be underlined is that neither TRI or RZR/MM have any dependency to each other. Our relationship is forged through mutual respect and common purpose. ---
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:00:00 - [282] Originally by: Roger Arko Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 08:56:17 Originally by: Zerv We didn't go into Tenal because we did NOT want space at that time. We only wanted to roam and find targets etc. We invaded Deklin to provoke fights, and afterwards decided its a nice place to live as well. If you think Tri always chooses the stronger side to fight, why did we have many nights where it was 100 vs. 250, and we continued to persevere and continue? I'm not saying that you guys are bad at what you do, because it's not true. You are good. Good pvpers with strong and good leadership. But you do realize that the alliances you fighting in Deklein are weaker than you in: SP, experience, FCs, ship fittings, fleet configuration? There is no wonder if the properly configured fleet of experienced players in t2 / faction fitted ships with good FC's beat the st out of less organized swarm of t1 cruiser, BC's and frigs. ;) Originally by:** Zerv Also, simply count your NAPs, their duration, and compare them to our Naps. nuff said. Naps doesn't win the wars. Did the Naps help D2, IRON, FLA and others who fell this spring?.. No. Maybe the people that rode MC's coat tails to make a land grab should have earned their claims on that space properly, and they wouldn't be having these problems now. Absorbing the homeless carebears spread across the region doesn't help matters any as well. As much as I like some of the guys in Sparta, history is going to repeat itself.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:09:00 - [283] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Yarethen My first fleet battle in 0.0 and what a huge dispointment. I think this is the real issue here for many people in 0.0. Living out in 0.0 and maintaining stations and stuff easily gets you sucked into a playstyle where you don't have many fleetbattles. I remember my first battle in a 0.0 fleet after playing for 4 months. Unless you work on getting experience, you will almost always get hammered by enemy fleets that have worked on getting that experience. It has very little to do with being 'better' at PvP, the number of truely great FCs and pilots is very limited. For FCs having a talented and experienced FC is nice and will certainly help a lot. But for the regular pilots in the fleetbattle, it really just comes down to experience and being able to learn from your mistakes. Very true. This is why it is very important for alliances to run weekly/daily pvp ops, be they roaming gangs of fleets just looking for trouble in hostile space. And to encourage new ppl to scout and command. Otherwise things get stale, pvpers get bored and move on. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Ggrimreaper Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:19:00 - [284] first.. Good fight to those involved second. "First , ... i am certain no one in that system experienced de-synch. Every Spartan and co-member sat and camped a system with SEVEN ( WTF !!!!! this is complete stupidity ) Large Mobile Warp Disruptors on the gate for 24 hours.... now lets remember , ... we had a memory leak then. Wow the light comes on , ... your clients were so blasted by that time , ... it's easy to understand you didn't load a dammed thing. Your fault for not compensating and adapting,... Period." I wasn't present at the gate camp as i was still at work, I came on soon before the POS attack, so memory leaks CANNOT be the problem I had, yet when i got to the POS it took 30 seconds for overview to load (20 or so ships) and further 20-30 seconds before i was able to lock anything.. so to those of you saying we didn't experience bad lag i'd like to say wrong.. also with regards to the desync, this was also a problem I encountered on warping out of the combat zone.. so again to those saying it never happened wrong.. I am not wanting to say that TRI didn't do a good job as that would be lying.. just the outcome kill/loss ratio would have been alot different if CCP could keep the game running (it'd be impossible to get 100% lag free) but less laggy and certainly less bugs... [/url]
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:23:00 - [285] Originally by: Yarethen My first fleet battle in 0.0 and what a huge dispointment. I would like to thanks to my fellow alliance pilots for staying calm and at least trying to make good of a bad situation. Although I could not see targets or even move (screen just froze) targets were being called and poeple who could see stepped up to take this responsibility. When I finally logged in (in a pod ) about 20mins later it was all over. Reading this entire thread no one has said that Tri didn't do a good job, they did, but CCP needs to get these things sorted or poeple will get tired of it and either move back to empire or leave the game completely. Anyway thats my little bit. This pretty much sums up the entire thread. You have people on one side of a gate that have never had a fleet battle, and people on the other side who have been in dozens or even hundreds. I'm also curious to know how many drones and fighters were deployed at the gate that also had 7 large bubbles and 200 ships sitting on it. It's a little humorous to see people continually shoot themselves in the foot and complain about the results.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:26:00 - [286] Originally by: Ggrimreaper when i got to the POS it took 30 seconds for overview to load (20 or so ships) and further 20-30 seconds before i was able to lock anything.. so to those of you saying we didn't experience bad lag i'd like to say wrong.. That isn't unusual at all. Laggy yes, but playable, and has been present for a loooong time now.
Tornado Bait Minmatar Those Without Purpose Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:11:00 - [287] Edited by: Tornado Bait on 26/07/2007 14:12:01 Originally by: Rexxar Civire Alot of rabbling by a tool Rex Did Murder One teach you how to post?
Thad Raven coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 16:20:00 - [288] Originally by: Tornado Bait Edited by: Tornado Bait on 26/07/2007 14:12:01 Originally by: Rexxar Civire Alot of rabbling by a tool Rex Did Murder One teach you how to post? God I hope you claim space near us someday.
Tomic Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 16:34:00 - [289] Anyone want some cheese to go with all this whine?
Argyle Jones Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 16:55:00 - [290] Edited by: Argyle Jones on 26/07/2007 16:56:12 Originally by: Mephysto -Snip- I have totally lost confidence in the ability of CCP to support their product. That seems like a harsh judgement. We staged a full on "Jita size" battle only a few hours after a major new patch had been deployed, a patch that had issues in itself. No matter how you look at it, no-one expected anything less than a lagfest. While it's true that EVE currently can't support these massive fleet battles in a proper way, this battle occured in the worst possible circumstances, and as a result suffered more than usual - on both sides. /Argle
Aberash Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:03:00 - [291] Originally by: Tomic Anyone want some cheese to go with all this whine? ahah i think hes summed up the basis of this whole topic VID:[IXC] House of Prawn II
Sku1ly coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:29:00 - [292] Originally by: Thad Raven God I hope you claim space near us someday. They don't know how to claim space.
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:56:00 - [293] Originally by: Ozstar Im not sure at what point Sparta realised that the "old north" was actually working with TRI but i would have paid alot to have been witness during those moments. Their arrival gave us the impetus to commit to the attack... "this is gonna be either epic win, or epic fail" - XxAngelxX before giving the order to jump into UEJX Everyone experienced varying degress of lag, desync and ctd's. However i do sympathise with the Spartans as ive experienced the same situation where FC's are calling targets that are not visible. Thinking back over the fight, the one thing that stands out was witnessing two deadly efficient gangs warping around the system causing havoc. I really do not envy what Sparta + Allies faced that evening. The lack of overwhelming capitals made this engagement even more enjoyable. You don't need to be a strategic genius to realise that there are shared objectives in the north; what should be underlined is that neither TRI or RZR/MM have any dependency to each other. Our relationship is forged through mutual respect and common purpose. Now you guys are starting to ** me off. First of all, when you started your Deklein Campaign you claimed to be 1 Alliance versus 5. Understand something. Whether coincidental (Doubtful) or through backdoor politics during the time you entered Ya0 RZR, Pandemic Legion, and Phalanx stepped up their attacks tremendously against Sparta, and Storm Armada while TRI hammered Aftermath....You never, EVER faced a full on fleet of Sparta/ESA/Aftermath, because 2 of these 3 Alliances were fending off your friends/allies/TEMPORARY** Accomplises (sp) Great job on that. Coordinating attacks on multiple fronts. Admirable. Whats not is sitting here, and telling me to that it was or is Triumvirate doing all of this. Now we fast forward to these present days. TRI securely hold ya0, VFK, and JU. They win multiple engagements. There are some good fights being had. You jumped into UEJ, The server favored you (IMO) you were skilled, and you came out on top, but please dont puff your chests. You are/were NEVER alone on your campaign. Last night ESA engaged a combined Pandemic Legion, and PURE Fleet. You have just about the entire (Old) Northern Coalition visiting ESA/Sparta in Western Deklein. Youwhat are not involved, Mpire, and FATAL are in Branch, and Fallen Souls come up and help every now, and again. Am I complaining about any of this? No, I actually enjoy the fighting, but you have got some 12yr old pilots with big mouths claiming alot of stuff that is just pure BS on these forums. Put things into perspective, and make sure you know what you are talking about before making claims. This isnt directed towards the pilot I am quoting, but to everyone who wants to speak their piece.
XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:01:00 - [294] Yes please, I would like some cheese with Wraithstorm's Whine --------------------------------------
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:03:00 - [295] Originally by: XxAngelxX Yes please, I would like some cheese with Wraithstorm's Whine Passes her a beer instead. Put some hair on that chest!! Oh goodness....Waaait!
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:12:00 - [296] your intel surpasses ours wraith, kudos
touchvill Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:13:00 - [297] Originally by: Wraithstorm Now we fast forward to these present days. TRI securely hold ya0, VFK, and JU. They win multiple engagements. There are some good fights being had. You jumped into UEJ, The server favored you (IMO) you were skilled, and you came out on top, but please dont puff your chests. You are/were NEVER alone on your campaign. As I said in previous threads. Any entities that come to the aid of Tri is on a count of Sparta's little coalition sending ridiculous blobs against a single alliance. You can't blob hell out of a single alliance and then cry when their friends get tired of sitting back doing nothing whilst you throw 1,2,3 times the numbers at them. So they joined in the battle. They are sitting here and chest beating may not be right. Either is Sparta *****ing about lag as if it was only laggy for them. We all know lag is in the game and sitting 300 people on a gate with 7 large bubbles and I would shudder to think how many drones and fighters. If you was expecting a clear lagless battle then more fool you is all I can say as the game has never ever been able to handle battles of that scale.
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:17:00 - [298]
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:23:00 - [299] Originally by: touchvill Originally by: Wraithstorm Now we fast forward to these present days. TRI securely hold ya0, VFK, and JU. They win multiple engagements. There are some good fights being had. You jumped into UEJ, The server favored you (IMO) you were skilled, and you came out on top, but please dont puff your chests. You are/were NEVER alone on your campaign. As I said in previous threads. Any entities that come to the aid of Tri is on a count of Sparta's little coalition sending ridiculous blobs against a single alliance. You can't blob hell out of a single alliance and then cry when their friends get tired of sitting back doing nothing whilst you throw 1,2,3 times the numbers at them. So they joined in the battle. They are sitting here and chest beating may not be right. Either is Sparta *****ing about lag as if it was only laggy for them. We all know lag is in the game and sitting 300 people on a gate with 7 large bubbles and I would shudder to think how many drones and fighters. If you was expecting a clear lagless battle then more fool you is all I can say as the game has never ever been able to handle battles of that scale. Bro, every single forum post you guys made weeks ago insisted that TRI had no friends!! You were shooting everyone, and taking 5 Alliances on alone!! Now you have friends...ROFL this is hilarious. Anyways, like I said, Im not complainging about the gangbang. Its fun to fight. I just dont like people beating their chests when its BS. TRI have skill, and you have alot going for you, but you have some childish pilots, and some real big egos to boot. Each Alliance has its personality as a group so maybe thats yours, or maybe its just a few of your pilots talking crap. I assume the latter as most of your pilots that Ive encountered have been awesome ingame, and on the field of battle. Either way its all good with me. Ill see you on the battlefield.
Atiro Kali Caldari Darklite inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:30:00 - [300] Its a shame this thread degenerated into what it has become. I actually read every post... wow wot a read some really good ones and some... others. I was in Sparta for a short time with DLTI. In the end there were some internal philosophies I could not agree to, but there are people in Sparta I hold a lot of respect for. TRI well most of you guys already know this alliance. God knows I do. I have killed them but honestly mostly they have killed me. I have insane respect for them. -waves to ses- I know wot the north has been like for lag and desync issues as I have experienced them personally but I also know it doesnt just affect one alliance or one team... it affects both equally so I dont get all the complaints about those issues saying it caused the outcome. Was it fun to fight in that f'ed up mess? I am sure it wasn't but in the end TRI came out on top because they are just insanely lethal mother f'ers. Hats off to both sides. You fought like true warriors, don't screw that up now by throwing tantrums like kiddies... "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space"

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