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sparkvolt Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 01:50:00 - [331] Quote: you guys arn't going to get fabulous at fleet battles overnight. That's my point. Anyways dinner time, cya. Well, Ok. You're right. Practice makes perfect. I, however, fail to understand your reasoning here. You are insisting on the fact that entire Sparta is just bunch of unskilled people, that is if I read you correctly. Nowhere did anyone say anything about having uber "fabulous" fleet. So, I can only assume you are calling people out on their skill. In the battle of UEJ, skill was not a critical determinant of the outcome. Love it, hate it, cry about it, /wrists. It is how it is. Skill plays a role in an equal play field. Apparently, playing field was rather unequal in the engagement. Not by our fault, not by your fault, not by anyone's fault but game company itself. And that is the POINT. Nobody called you out saying you couldn't have taken the system. Granted you are skilled and verse players, you could have taken it sooner or later. HOWEVER, that does not mean that you would have done it in a way that it was done. Your skill, your T2 ships, your fabulous FCs played SOME role in the engagement, but it was not skill and skill alone that determined it. And that, once again, is the POINT. Nobody is trying to take credit away from you for accomplishing such a big task as taking down MS baby. Nobody is trying to make your image look derogatory in the eyes of EVE public. And nobody is trying to tell you that you cheated. All that was stated is that playing field was uneven. Had you have any respect towards fellow players, you would acknowledge their situation and feel sympathetic despite the fact that they are your enemies. It could have been you just as well. But I guess not everybody is open minded and not everybody can escape their frame of reference. In any case, Bon Appetit
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.27 02:07:00 - [332] Without trying to sound like smack.. I must say that SOME Spartans lack experience in PVP. (I said some, not all) They seem very disorganised in the smaller engagements I've had with them. Take one example. Me and a mate is flying through Sparta space. We get a gank on a caracal and rupture. 10 seconds after we've gotten the loot, the rest of the Sparta gang jumps in and tries to catch us. Another example is when we go in for a small engagement on a rapier and a stabber. We know they have a gang on the other side of the gate. I was a bit stupid and didnt warp out when their tackler comes in. We force the rapier to warp away when he's in structure, but I stick around a little too long. The ceptor of theirs comes after me and manages to web me. The rest of their gang has dual arazus dampening me and a lot of chowder coming for me. Webber I think I'm done for... then I try to hit warp. Wtf, "Warping" and I'm safe. My gangmate in a stabber confirms, "I was webbed by the rapier, the rest of their gang came in and was within scram range.. nobody scrammed me! I got out." On other hand, I must also say that sparta as any big alliance has many competent pvp:ers too. But what happens to any alliance that brings in a lot of new people, they will need a learning period. Same happens to PL at times. EVE PIRATE ANDER! now posting in "orange"
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.27 02:54:00 - [333] Wr3ck refrain from posting in this thread! It has been enough! <3 Wraith <3 Sparta The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 03:48:00 - [334] I don't want to start a new thread about this, because it'll just be regarded as flamebait, plus this thread needs a little turn of direction. Where did Aftermath go?
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 05:15:00 - [335] Originally by: Attak I don't want to start a new thread about this, because it'll just be regarded as flamebait, plus this thread needs a little turn of direction. Where did Aftermath go? Fountain, I believe -----------------------------------------------
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2007.07.27 09:21:00 - [336] Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 27/07/2007 09:24:31 The people I have chatted with describe this: Float float float, stare at bubbles. Scout says incoming, gate fires, turn on guns. Sit. Wait for reds to appear. Wait for reds to appear. Wait for reds to appear. Take damage. Wait for reds to appear. Check alignment, take more damage. Wait for reds to appear. Attempt to warp. Be informed you are scrambled. *While yes, still* waiting for reds to appear. Die. Wait for reds to appear. Take pod damage. Wait for reds to appear. Wake up in station, start over. This, from my point of view, doesn't sound like a fight, it sounds like the hamsters went on break. I'm sorry to hear some of my friends had to take such a hearbreaking loss while sitting idle, waiting for reds to appear.** Sniper ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Mark Starkiller D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.27 10:03:00 - [337] Edited by: Mark Starkiller on 27/07/2007 10:04:23 Originally by: SSgt Sniper Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 27/07/2007 09:24:31 The people I have chatted with describe this: Float float float, stare at bubbles. Scout says incoming, gate fires, turn on guns. Sit. Wait for reds to appear. Wait for reds to appear. Wait for reds to appear. Take damage. Wait for reds to appear. Check alignment, take more damage. Wait for reds to appear. Attempt to warp. Be informed you are scrambled. *While yes, still* waiting for reds to appear. Die. Wait for reds to appear. Take pod damage. Wait for reds to appear. Wake up in station, start over. we all had fitted cloaks :P we all had cloaks fitted :P This, from my point of view, doesn't sound like a fight, it sounds like the hamsters went on break. I'm sorry to hear some of my friends had to take such a hearbreaking loss while sitting idle, waiting for reds to appear.** Sniper
Plave Okice Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.27 10:45:00 - [338] Edited by: Plave Okice on 27/07/2007 10:46:06 How many times we gotta tell you Mark? A cloaking Raven with tractor beam is not a fleet battleship. EDIT - you need to train forum posting a bit higher too
Mark Starkiller D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.27 10:48:00 - [339] Originally by: Plave Okice Edited by: Plave Okice on 27/07/2007 10:46:06 How many times we gotta tell you Mark? A cloaking Raven with tractor beam is not a fleet battleship. is not ??? EDIT - you need to train forum posting a bit higher too i desynced on caod wtf?!?
Lollerskittles Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.27 12:07:00 - [340] Originally by: Lemonx Originally by: AnarchistUK Check your killmails.... 10 - 20 TRI shooting 1 of us. Our killboard shows 4 of us shooting 1 of your ships. 11 Tri killing Xyux, Tri first primary in the fight. 4 Tri killing Vitnir Belote, 2nd BS 9 Tri killing twojakes1, 3rd BS 9 Tri killing Giamilton, 4th BS 12 Tri killing Smoothie, 5th BS 18 Sparta killing Krexus 16 Sparta killing wazmanian devil 11 Sparta killing Tau Atreus I guess your trying to make a lie true by repeating it enough? So this completely proves that Tri had far worse lag. Its all funny that it proves SPARTA have been talking s*** all thread to make excuses. '' Shake me, shake me like a British Nanny!
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.07.27 12:30:00 - [341] Originally by: Lollerskittles So this completely proves that Tri had far worse lag. Its all funny that it proves SPARTA have been talking s*** all thread to make excuses. Yes, well, this is Sparta.
Koi Yokuma Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 13:08:00 - [342] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr rabblerabblerabblerabble rabblerabblerabblerabble rabblerabblerabblerabble rabblerabblerabblerabble rabblerabblerabblerabble LMFAO! Pretty much sums up the last 12 pages there.
Ewa Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 13:26:00 - [343] Originally by: Keyzer Originally by: Wraithstorm Good replies fellas. Much appreciated for the most part anyways. Now, to clarify a few of your replies. Firstly ESA was the first besides MC of the Allied Forces to entre the Deklein Region. We are not in anyway affiliated with BOB, and to my knowledge we are in fact neutral with eachother. So any claims of us turning to BOB or fighting for them are unfounded, and false. We were invited to the Northern theatre by MC, and to them we owe our thanks. Even if they might shoot us later. Not being exactly honest there are we. You briefly Joined the Northern coallition in germinate, but failed to keep your station there, then went pouting back to empire. Actually ESE has reset standings and stood in the North to shoot alliances that were still seeing ESE blue on the overview, because they didn't bother to announce it until it was too late, and then Originally by: Keyzer then you came back into the north to really show D2 and friends what you were made of. riding in behind MC.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 13:31:00 - [344] Originally by: Ander Without trying to sound like smack.. I must say that SOME Spartans lack experience in PVP. (I said some, not all) They seem very disorganised in the smaller engagements I've had with them. Take one example. Me and a mate is flying through Sparta space. We get a gank on a caracal and rupture. 10 seconds after we've gotten the loot, the rest of the Sparta gang jumps in and tries to catch us. Well, I have another example that is one of my recent kill on our KB. The story is written on the KB in comments to the killmail. I don't want to brag. Who's interested will know how to find it.
Keyzer Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:00:00 - [345] Originally by: Ewa Quillam Actually ESE has reset standings and stood in the North to shoot alliances that were still seeing ESE blue on the overview, because they didn't bother to announce it until it was too late, and then Yeah I guess I omitted that part, actualy it slipped my mind, heh. seems like it's the MO for ESE, join something, then when it gets tuff, or maybe an argument happens, quickly make arangements to exit, then turn on who ever it was they were "friends" with. hmm guess I shoulda stayed in that corp with them then? then I'd be able to post how uber it is to be omnipotentence minor! I HAD A DREAM, AND IN THIS DREAM I WAS HARRRRD!
Freiherr MinceR Caldari Black Knight Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:53:00 - [346] as little note for the dev (maybe this info helps somehow to pinpoint a problem) one of my character which i logged in in uej(the system we had camped) before the fight and flew to czd (wanted to get him into a pvp ship too) desynced right when mm+rzr+tri jumped into our gatecamp. i was at a safespot near to the gate.. were on our TS channel.. just heared "they are jumping in" i wanted to align back to station.. nothing happened... clicking warp.. nothing happened.. clicking on station -> dock.. nothing happened.. 55fps average hmmm.. after some minutes i tried to relog which ended up with me trying to login for 15min and looking at a black screen till i logged with an alt and wrote a petition.. after some minutes a gm moved me 1 jump away which made me able to login.... that was at the time when the "fight" at the gate was already over.. in uej at the time when they jumped in it was pretty much like every other described who sat in UEJ before the gatecamp was jumped... lets say we had around 15-20 ppl in TS who could see more than 6 targets in overview and could try to shoot at them. the rest of our gang sat there like they were afk.
KtB	Posted - 2007.07.27 22:10:00 - [347] Originally by: Dave White Originally by: Brunswick2 Originally by: Mephysto Atempting to ignore the client memory leak problem at present (we patched that this morning), in your estimation was the lag better or worse than before the patch? Also how bad was desync'ing affecting you? Again, was this better or worse than before the patch? We have run our tests obviously, but we presently have a hard time simulating this sort of event on the test servers. and I believe that many people are just getting massive lag and desync confused. Nailed it. This is just a note for the devs. Not an argument because i cant be arsed with all that **e. My situation: I saw two ships pop up in space, not overview as i had bs' only on there. They started burning away from the gate but we ignored them as they werent targets. Next i hear wraith shouting "Call targets" and shouting out different things. Then i see people in gang saying i can't see them (usual lag crap). After this went off i noticed the two ships that had appeared had just been burning in the same direction for the whole duration and were now about to go off grid, just sailing away. I thought i'd leave it for 5 / 10 mins before i re-logged. Still the same. I then hear someone else saying "Their snipers are getting into position", probably when you guys came out of the lag. And there was still nothing to be seen on my side. I then decided to re-log. When i came to my ship didnt actually warp back to the gate (unless i was **ed out of my face and cant remember), it stayed in the safespot that it shifted me to when i logged. Even more confusing ha, although i was glad of it mind you! Am i mistaken that in a lag circumstance those ships i saw sailing away would have froze? and nothing moved or been usable on my interface? I know in the second engagement i lagged because i had like 1 frame per minute, so went and got myself a coffee and waited for me to end up in the station :). Like i said, no argument. My point of view. Hopefully it will help the devs?

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