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Zerv
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:45:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Roger Arko
Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 07:38:34
I find it amusing how Tri always chooses the stronger side to fight. First, when MC with allies were steamrolling D2, IRON and others in the North the Tri attacked the Northern Coalition who were running with tail between their legs at that moment. After that when Rzr/MM and allies attacked T1TS in Tenal and when it became obvious the T1TS will fall, the Tri decided to go against weaker alliances in Deklein who therefor had to pull out from the Tenal to defend their homes against Tri.
You guys are a class act. Not. 
P.S. Saying "Epic fight" when your opponents are outnumbered both in ships, ships fitting and SP is kinda hypocripsy. But whatever. I guess it's a big fun for Tri to fight with minimal challenge.
We didn't go into Tenal because we did NOT want space at that time. We only wanted to roam and find targets etc. We invaded Deklin to provoke fights, and afterwards decided its a nice place to live as well. If you think Tri always chooses the stronger side to fight, why did we have many nights where it was 100 vs. 250, and we continued to persevere and continue?
Also, simply count your NAPs, their duration, and compare them to our Naps. nuff said.
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:46:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Brunswick2
Edited by: Brunswick2 on 25/07/2007 08:38:59
Originally by: Roger Arko
Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 08:18:51
These numbers doesn't mean anything unless you start comparing numbers of capital ships on each side and fleet BS's. Looking at killboards will easily solve this problem if you really think that you were outnumbered...
There were approximately 220 hostiles in local when we jumped in. We had 190 in total.
"Sparta's Nyx wasn't killed by desynchs and lag, they were killed by their affinity for drakes and manticores and thoraxes, and their apparent hatred of t2 fitted battleships." (c) Razor pilot
Q.E.D.
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Whalesaver
mega mining corporation
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:46:00 -
[123]
I came, I saw, I lagged out for twenty minutes missing the whole fight 
gg CCP
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:53:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Zerv
We didn't go into Tenal because we did NOT want space at that time. We only wanted to roam and find targets etc. We invaded Deklin to provoke fights, and afterwards decided its a nice place to live as well. If you think Tri always chooses the stronger side to fight, why did we have many nights where it was 100 vs. 250, and we continued to persevere and continue?
I'm not saying that you guys are bad at what you do, because it's not true. You are good. Good pvpers with strong and good leadership. But you do realize that the alliances you fighting in Deklein are weaker than you in: SP, experience, FCs, ship fittings, fleet configuration.
There is no wonder if the properly configured fleet of experienced players in t2 / faction fitted ships with good FC's beat the s**t out of less organized swarm of t1 cruiser, BC's and frigs? ;)
Originally by: Zerv
Also, simply count your NAPs, their duration, and compare them to our Naps. nuff said.
Naps doesn't win the wars. Did the Naps help D2, IRON, FLA and others who fell this spring?.. No.
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Demonor
Gallente
Setenta Corp
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:53:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Roger Arko
These numbers doesn't mean anything unless you start comparing numbers of capital ships on each side and fleet BS's.
Not sure on the BS count, but we had no capital support, not sure how many they had, at least 7 I think, they certainly lost 4 carriers anyway. And I believe the total count was 230 them 190 us.
Quick BS count shows around 70 us 50 them on TRI kb, not exactly overwhelming, also shows 200 kills for less than 50 losses.
Not sure how accurate that will be, obviously there will be kills and losses not involving TRI pilots not counted in that.
LOl Well thats because after the first Crash (arhmm where everyone crashed) Your Momship got fully repaired and it jumped out....Then one of your pilot not sure if he was drunk or just wanted to be suicide warrior warps his Archon right to the gate and gets wasted.
I have to say the first fight while you guys were trying to take down the cyno jammer was a great fight until Eve decided to go Kaputs where we all went bye bye. You can't say it wasn't fair because we all got booted and we all waiting to log in the same time like everyone else was fair game from that point on who gets in and starts the fight again. ohwell **** happens mate. we all learn from our mistakes rant here and there But all in all it will all be just a memory :)
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Zerv
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:00:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Zerv on 25/07/2007 09:01:37
Originally by: Roger Arko
There is no wonder if the properly configured fleet of experienced players in t2 / faction fitted ships with good FC's beat the s**t out of less organized swarm of t1 cruiser, BC's and frigs? ;)
Point taken, but your a little off. The two main advantages we had were better FC's, and t2 guns which allowed us to dictate range. Another thing to keep in mind is that people in Tri LOVE to PvP. People actually run out of isk pvping, and are forced to rat. The way EVE's game mechanics work is that people who are better fighters usually prevail. And that's what led to the Deklein eviction. C'est la vie.
edit: In almost all engagements, you guys had as many BS as us. Using the t1 cruiser, bc, frigate excuse doesn't work in this case.
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Aluminae
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:08:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Roger Arko
But you do realize that the alliances you fighting in Deklein are weaker than you in: SP, experience, FCs, ship fittings, fleet configuration?
There is no wonder if the properly configured fleet of experienced players in t2 / faction fitted ships with good FC's beat the s**t out of less organized swarm of t1 cruiser, BC's and frigs. ;)
Thats the nature of the game, and real life.
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:10:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Roger Arko
Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 07:38:34
I find it amusing how Tri always chooses the stronger side to fight. First, when MC with allies were steamrolling D2, IRON and others in the North the Tri attacked the Northern Coalition who were running with tail between their legs at that moment. After that when Rzr/MM and allies attacked T1TS in Tenal and when it became obvious the T1TS will fall, the Tri decided to go against weaker alliances in Deklein who therefor had to pull out from the Tenal to defend their homes against Tri.
You guys are a class act. Not.
P.S. Saying "Epic fight" when your opponents are outnumbered both in ships, ships fitting and SP is kinda hypocripsy. But whatever. I guess it's a big fun for Tri to fight with minimal challenge.
bitter much?
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:11:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 09:15:00
Originally by: Zerv
edit: In almost all engagements, you guys had as many BS as us. Using the t1 cruiser, bc, frigate excuse doesn't work in this case.
This is not true. Check the kb's. Majority of engagement Tri did have more t2 fitted BS's usually with strong support of command ships and HAC's. I'm not saying that you not facing the BS's. You do, but in either less amounts or poorly fitted. Not to mention the SP difference. I bet most of Tri pilots have BS skills at V which also makes a big difference.
My point was: if Tri love the pvp and the challenge - there are much better targets out there. Razor for instance would give you pretty good fights with minimal blobage. In Deklein you either get badly outblobbed which turn the fights into lag-fest OR you face the equal or less in numbers enemy group with much worse fitting and organization than you have and you simply melt 'em fast with minimal to no challenge for your t2/faction hacs, command ships and recons. Correct me if im wrong.
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Arthur Guinness
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:13:00 -
[130]
Shame on us for having more experience, more SP, and more bloodlust. We should all reroll nub alts and PVP in rookie ships so we will lose. That way the Roger Arko, the ex-Storm Armada guy, will like us.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:16:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Roger Arko
Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 07:38:34
I find it amusing how Tri always chooses the stronger side to fight. First, when MC with allies were steamrolling D2, IRON and others in the North the Tri attacked the Northern Coalition who were running with tail between their legs at that moment. After that when Rzr/MM and allies attacked T1TS in Tenal and when it became obvious the T1TS will fall, the Tri decided to go against weaker alliances in Deklein who therefor had to pull out from the Tenal to defend their homes against Tri.
You guys are a class act. Not.
P.S. Saying "Epic fight" when your opponents are outnumbered both in ships, ships fitting and SP is kinda hypocripsy. But whatever. I guess it's a big fun for Tri to fight with minimal challenge.
It seems to me you're expecting an easy ride, when in fact you know that you're facing very able and prepared opponents.
Chin up and do better next time. Normally, when we jumped into you, you should have picked up us one by one, just like we did in S-E 4-5 weeks ago when a 100 mainly FATAL gang tried to jump.
You didn't and Central said it very well why.
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:18:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Arthur Guinness
Shame on us for having more experience, more SP, and more bloodlust. We should all reroll nub alts and PVP in rookie ships so we will lose. That way the Roger Arko, the ex-Storm Armada guy, will like us.
Maybe Tri will join klepto's in Rancer if you like it so much to shoot weaker players?
Anyways Im gonna shut up now.
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Zerv
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:19:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Roger Arko
Edited by: Roger Arko on 25/07/2007 09:15:00
Originally by: Zerv
edit: In almost all engagements, you guys had as many BS as us. Using the t1 cruiser, bc, frigate excuse doesn't work in this case.
This is not true. Check the kb's. Majority of engagement Tri did have more t2 fitted BS's usually with strong support of command ships and HAC's. I'm not saying that you not facing the BS's. You do, but in either less amounts or poorly fitted. Not to mention the SP difference. I bet most of Tri pilots have BS skills at V which also makes a big difference.
My point was: if Tri love the pvp and the challenge - there are much better targets out there. Razor for instance would give you pretty good fights with minimal blobage. In Deklein you either get badly outblobbed which turn the fights into lag-fest OR you face the equal or less in numbers enemy group with much worse fitting and organization than you have and you simply melt 'em fast with minimal to no challenge for your t2/faction hacs, command ships and recons. Correct me if im wrong.
whats your point though, we won, so obviously we are better skilled or equipped or something.
You guys lost the fight, does saying it was because we are less skilled or equipped somehow save face? Should we have flown in t1 ships to make all things equal? This is reality, things are not fair for everyone.
And btw, saying we don't fight Razor etc.... uhh... we have fought them. Morsus Mihi are decent pvpers, Pandemic know how to bring it as well, check our killboards we kill them too. We kill everyone(and die as well). You were next door to us, what did you expect...
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:20:00 -
[134]
7 Large bubbles on the same gate 
shudder
GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE |
Zerv
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:21:00 -
[135]
we killed 4 MM carriers last week... I mean c'mon Roger... are you trolling or being serious?
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Arthur Guinness
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:25:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Roger Arko
Anyways Im gonna shut up now.
Smartest thing I've ever seen you post tbh.
And guys, I've figured Roger out. He only cheers for the underdog, and he assumes the winner is a tyrant. There are probably elves and wizards in his dream world as well.
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Death Priest
Stronghold corp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:25:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Astro Teller
is this where i stroke the epeen?
No! You are only allowed to do that in BOB victory threads 
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trouser boy
The Eve Pacification Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:26:00 -
[138]
Edited by: trouser boy on 25/07/2007 09:26:29
So did it really 'desync' or are people just saying it did because they don't really understand it? Was it just good old lag or have CCP not fixed it?
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Zerv
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:28:00 -
[139]
Originally by: trouser boy
So did it really 'desync' or are people just saying it did because they don't really understand it?
No Tri pilots de-sync'd, there was only immense lag. idk if Sparta de-sync'd or not, but I'm sure people are getting "lag" mixed up with "de-sync".
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:28:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Zerv
we killed 4 MM carriers last week... I mean c'mon Roger... are you trolling or being serious?
As I said killing ships have nothing to do with territorial warfare. As for now you are giving an excelent favour to Razor and allies.
P.S. Last time I checked Venal was next door to Tenal and Tribute too.
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Aluminae
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:28:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Roger Arko
This is not true. Check the kb's. Majority of engagement Tri did have more t2 fitted BS's usually with strong support of command ships and HAC's. I'm not saying that you not facing the BS's. You do, but in either less amounts or poorly fitted. Not to mention the SP difference. I bet most of Tri pilots have BS skills at V which also makes a big difference.
My point was: if Tri love the pvp and the challenge - there are much better targets out there. Razor for instance would give you pretty good fights with minimal blobage. In Deklein you either get badly outblobbed which turn the fights into lag-fest OR you face the equal or less in numbers enemy group with much worse fitting and organization that you have and you simply melt 'em fast with minimal to no challenge for your t2/faction hacs, command ships and recons. Correct me if im wrong.
If you had bothered to check the killboard you would realise TRI actually fight RZR/MM regulary, with multiple capital kills in the last couple of weeks. What you also fail to realise is that we actually RESPECT each other and understand being neutral keeps us sharp, if all we fought were the T1 Raven gangs of northern deklein we would be noobified.
Sparta/Storm have little respect because they depend on friends, hence numbers to survive.
Another aspect your missing is that no dependency exists between TRI and RZR/MM unlike what exists/existed between VX, AA, ESA, SPR and now FALL, FATAL and MPIRE.
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:31:00 -
[142]
Originally by: fire 59
7 Large bubbles on the same gate
shudder
Lol yup, and then they complain of lag
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scififreak
Minmatar
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:32:00 -
[143]
Woohoo
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:39:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: Zerv
we killed 4 MM carriers last week... I mean c'mon Roger... are you trolling or being serious?
As I said killing ships have nothing to do with territorial warfare. As for now you are giving an excelent favour to Razor and allies.
P.S. Last time I checked Venal was next door to Tenal and Tribute too.
Nope, but killing the morale due to ship losses sure does. I'm sure Sparta isn't joyful about losing a Nyx.
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Chewan Mesa
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:43:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Roger Arko
As I said killing ships have nothing to do with territorial warfare. As for now you are giving an excelent favour to Razor and allies.
P.S. Last time I checked Venal was next door to Tenal and Tribute too.
First of, was an awesome night, started nicely at later evening for me, and before I knew it was 4am :)
And you dude, you need to stop trolling, get your facts straight, and go buy some BS Skillbooks for your friends apparantly.
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:44:00 -
[146]
I was there aswell, good fight to all involved, i can't really say that i was able to actually fight, first my cloaking device was magically put offline, after that it was just too laggy to activate my modules, so the only things i've seen is ships getting destroyed without my help.
Anyway it was fun having TRI on our side for this time, but now lets get back to pew pew, since we both enjoy doing that :)
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Aluminae
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 10:27:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Anyway it was fun having TRI on our side for this time, but now lets get back to pew pew, since we both enjoy doing that :)
Amen brudda
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 10:31:00 -
[148]
Well I CTD'd about 15-20 times throughout the night and gave up before the Carrier killing (argh). I CTD'd 1 jump from UEJ, I tried to jump in after the gang but never loaded the system, which i suppose was my only luck throughout the night as it meant noone could shoot me either (my HUD didn't load so i assume i was never 'in' the system(?)).
So i missed the first fight, CTD'd 5-6 times then i missed the second fight. Thx.
On the subject of lag. I loaded fine as soon as the 7 bubbles and masses of drones were removed, and lag after that was fine.
I got one mail inbetween CTD's, a Republic Fleet Firetail. \o/
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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swiss TEX
DRUCKWELLE
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.25 10:33:00 -
[149]
sry guys. i am sure u all did well. but i didnt see anything. and thats not gaming, thats just disapointing.
more than 8 ppl of my corp reported lag that bad, that they never saw more than 4 enemies at one time.
one of them was killed in his scorp - 160km from gate by ROCKETS without seeing any enemy.
its not fun play like this. some of them already declined to join again cause its pointless.
for me its a really bad day. i would like to join such a great battle - even if i get killed. i play this game for moments like this. but there was no moment. bad, really bad.
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German Speaking Corporation |
Aluminae
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 10:41:00 -
[150]
Originally by: swiss TEX
sry guys. i am sure u all did well. but i didnt see anything. and thats not gaming, thats just disapointing.
more than 8 ppl of my corp reported lag that bad, that they never saw more than 4 enemies at one time.
one of them was killed in his scorp - 160km from gate by ROCKETS without seeing any enemy.
its not fun play like this. some of them already declined to join again cause its pointless.
for me its a really bad day. i would like to join such a great battle - even if i get killed. i play this game for moments like this. but there was no moment. bad, really bad.
everyone suffered mate, just smile and nod and look forward to the next fight.
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