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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/07/2007 16:28:56
Originally by: Zenst O'RLY
I prefer this one. -=-=-
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OozoO
Caldari Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:34:00 -
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Third, and perhaps most importantly, it was a question of timing, not of priorities. She will be there the next day, but those BoB POSes might not be.
epic! Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected]) |
Khavi Vetali
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:35:00 -
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I think the only thing epic about these posts is the amount of collective time they inevitably waste
Quote: Tyger! Tyger! burning bright; In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye; Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:37:00 -
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Looks like a long-winded version of a post I made on SHC months ago.
Bob recruit people who want to be on the winning team because its easy. Look for these people to switch sides in the fight when morale gets low, because that's what they've all done in the past.
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Dirtball
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:38:00 -
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needs some kind of reference to how the perceived best corporation should be immune to corp theft cause theif would not have a better alternative available to him post theft.
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Ki An
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:48:00 -
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Another well written (series of) post(s), but you really shot yourself in the foot there by claiming unbias. If you're an alt or not I cannot tell (however likely it seems, given that most people don't have a main in a corp who does nothing by propaganda stunts), but you are really dripping in bias, and to claim otherwise is genuinely dishonest.
/Ki
Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:49:00 -
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A good read. Whether it's true or not. ^_^
It's true that every time bob takes a less skilled or less motivated player amongst them, the average skill level and motivation of bob drops (no such thing as "total skill level" or "total motivation" is there? :p). However, if the alternative option is to stay elitistic and not take new members, they will eventually die out when people get bored of eve.
I still think that they're better than ragoon though ;>
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:55:00 -
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Obligatory "HIS GIRLFRIEND" post.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:58:00 -
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Good post.
Shoulda left out your girlfriend, she sounds irritating.
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Vosill
Collector of Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.26 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Flow Befort we have uhoh, over
Copy Uh-oh. Chopper Dave, we have uh-oh over
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Alice Cholmondeley
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:00:00 -
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Eve is a game. Deal with your issues and move on. |
Endeva
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn ... The problem of Bob is they never experience a figth vs full pvp alliances.
so you want to say here that all those fights before vs iron/g d2 ermm dont know all the names but there are lots of other good pvp allaince. i liked g:P before and their fleet of tempests.p - that they are all carebers and now we met truly PVP oriented allince know as TCF
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Akihoshi
Gallente Mining and Research Industrial Organisation
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:06:00 -
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Interesting Read so far James.
However the Real life analogies could have been cut down to one or two instead of the thirty that you put in there about communication.
However there are some Valid points to both part I and part II and has made for an interesting read. I just hope my eyes are not bleeding after part III
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Obron Mettlo
Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Prez21 Isnt how LV and ASCN were described the exact same as what your alliance currently is?
Bob arnt losing they win most battles and kill alot more ships than there enemies, i will agree that they arnt doing aswel as before, but after seeing all the garbage posts 6 months back about how bob would be dead within a month they dont seem to be doing to bad do they?
I have to disagree with you there. You're basing your judgments solely on someone's killboard, and that rarely, if ever, tells the whole story, especially when most killboards are horribly inaccurate. LV made the same conclusion you did - they killed more battleships and more overall ships than RSF, but this arguement was completely voided when their membership couldn't even afford to fly interceptors anymore. Instead of "being stuck" flying T1 cruisers, they just quit and went elsewhere. I don't think this has happened to BoB yet, but their fleets are definitely changing composition.
Quote: The stations they have lost are stations that they already took of goons and friends so its not like its a major loss to them. When i see Bob losing more BS than they kill and start losing stations closer to home than i,ll take these post alittle more serious, until then it doesnt mean a thing.
This would be true if it were another alliance - GS, RA, TCF, KOS, even ISS - because those alliances had experienced losing most or all of their stations, and they had come back. I can't remember the last time BoB lost a station that was firmly in their control, let alone the last time they failed to sucessfully complete a campaign (conquering Tenerifis). The closest thing in recent memory might be TPAR, but that offensive was pushed back within a week. -----------------
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Raevenor
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Endeva
so you want to say here that all those fights before vs iron/g d2 ermm dont know all the names but there are lots of other good pvp allaince. i liked g:P before and their fleet of tempests.p - that they are all carebers and now we met truly PVP oriented allince know as TCF
What?
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:08:00 -
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James, Have you sent copies of these to Prof. Dawkins? he might find some entertainment value in his book titles and prose style being used in an online game.
At any rate good post: What happens when an alliance full of people who demand constant victory taste defeat? hopefully your answer will come in part 3. ----------------------------------------------
Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:11:00 -
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Your poor GF... |
Astarte Nosferatu
We Know Derek Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:12:00 -
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One of the best series in months on CAOD. There's surprisingly much truth in the James 315 posts threads.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:13:00 -
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Highly interesting and entertaining read. Not sure if its all true, but well-wrought arguments brought in an entertaining read always make for good reading.
------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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ProphetGuru
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:14:00 -
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Interesting, although your first post was a little better.
You raise many points, but a great many of your opinions appear to be based on assumptions based on public relations and or revisionist history. You also attribute things to bob that you could switch "BOB" for any other alliance name and their would be a chorus of "you hit that nail on the head" posts from the uninspired. Many of the things you are talking about apply to alliances in general. Arguments made on assumptions, no matter how well written, will never hold up.
Quote: As we saw in Part I, if BoB were invincible due to the skill of its pilots, and if BoB fought and won difficult wars in its past, it would be an entity capable of destroying any opponent, strong or weak.
We have destroyed strong and weak opponents over the years, and it would be fair to say that it is far easier to look at someone we destroyed in the past and say they must have been weak and ripe for the taking, rather then give us any credit. That's ok.... we are quite used to that. It doesn't make that opinion correct.
Lastly, your mention of Evolution and it's membership in the early years of Eve seems pointless. I don't think you have 1/100th of the knowledge you need to discuss that group of pilots motivations and intentions 3+ years ago, and I feel pretty confident saying that cuz I was there...
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:15:00 -
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James 315, are you James The Angry Nintendo Nerd? -
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: James 315 ... As observed by such noted CAOD posters as DigitalCommunist and James 315 ...
You're not. All I see is a bitter ex-ASCN pilot trying to spin history to make the disbanding of the alliance he was part of less painful.
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Torshin
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:23:00 -
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I believe a member of Pandemic mentioned that he can not remember the last time that BOB lost a station that was firmly in their control. During the Seige of Feyth I believe that both AZN and VNGJ fell for a period of time. Also there is the issue of IAC in Querious taking the H74 station i think. But that one was more of a sov issue. -------------------------------------------
Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve. |
Elmer Phud
Black Eclipse Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:25:00 -
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James you lost all credibility with that post claiming BL resigned from BNC due to Shrike's titan loss. Thats where you went from 'amusing troll' to just 'troll'.
Really, you must be a sad sad little man to spend so much time writing your own version of EvE history.
Its pathetic yet fascinating at the same time.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 26/07/2007 17:28:22
Originally by: Elmer Phud James you lost all credibility with that post claiming BL resigned from BNC due to Shrike's titan loss. Thats where you went from 'amusing troll' to just 'troll'.
Really, you must be a sad sad little man to spend so much time writing your own version of EvE history.
Its pathetic yet fascinating at the same time.
Are you just making that up or is there a "voice" telling you that?
EDIT: i'm talking about the part where you claim that James is in fact telling that BL left because of Shrike's titan loss -
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LeviUK
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:27:00 -
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INteresting reading until the girlfriend bit. Then I lost interest completely
Perhaps including pics of your gf would keep the more lecherous of us entertained.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: LeviUK
Perhaps including pics of your gf would keep the more lecherous of us entertained.
signed :D
James, you told she was good-looking... PROOF OR STFU -
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Angelus Damelon
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Prez21 Bob arnt losing they win most battles and kill alot more ships than there enemies, i will agree that they arnt doing aswel as before, but after seeing all the garbage posts 6 months back about how bob would be dead within a month they dont seem to be doing to bad do they?
The stations they have lost are stations that they already took of goons and friends so its not like its a major loss to them. When i see Bob losing more BS than they kill and start losing stations closer to home than i,ll take these post alittle more serious, until then it doesnt mean a thing.
This is not a flame; however, I truly believe that only people who were involved in the southern front of the war can understand just how broken Titans were before Rev II and how multiple Titans completely changed fleet warfare. Even BoB leadership admitted that they were broken pre-nerf.
Examine the territory that BoB gained in the south (all of it pre-nerf). 9-9, XGH, and Omist -- which was abandoned by GS, just as it was abandoned by LV; it is a difficult area to defend from attack from Tenerifis / Detorid once you lose control of 9-9, due to moon count and choke points.
Omist was thus won by default once BoB captured 9-9. They captured 9-9 by spamming POS (again, huge moon count); thanks to Titans, both subcapital fleets and fighter drones became strategically worthless -- with 4 Titans, BoB could fire a DD every 15 minutes, or fire multiple DDs at once to wipe out even the heaviest tanked battleship (which would ultimately be so heavily gimped by fitting that tank that it would be rendered worthless anyway). Further, they were able to deploy their own subcapitals and fighters at will. Once solidifying their hold on 9-9, the same tactic was used to take XGH.
Just like no one expects an opposing fleet to hold their fire if the opposing fleet has clearly crashed or desynced, no one can blame BoB for taking full advantage of their wealth to spam POS and Titan invulnerability to turn the southern battles into Capital Ships Online, removing subcapitals from any relevance.
Post-nerf, BoB has lost XGH and 9-9. 2 stations in Omist have already been taken by TCF and I believe a third is either taken by UNL or will be within days, once sov kicks in. That leaves 2 stations that BoB has taken from RSF from the beginning of the war in the south, D2EZ and 66-, both of which are being heavily fought over right now.
9-9 and XGH in particular were taken both by sieging BoB POSes and counter-spamming larges. Any kind of POS battle report would show that BoB has been nearly unable to defend their own POSes when they come out of reinforced, while also being unable to take out RSF POSes when they come out of reinforced. This same kind of warfare is going on in D2EZ and 66-.
This is not to say that BoB is dead, nor that anyone really expects them to failure cascade back to Delve within the next week.
Since the leveling of the battlefield, BoB has continued to lose ground. They have won particular battles, and almost always have a better kill:death ratio. However, kill:death ratio is meaningless unless it weakens your enemy's morale or outpaces their logistics, production, or wealth, which it has yet to do.
To conclude: BoB has not lost yet. But they are losing, at the moment. That does not exclude the possibility that they will regroup or call in more allies and stall the push into Omist; however, the only way to analyze the current situation and come to any other conclusion than "BoB is losing" is by looking purely at kill:death ratio, which is utterly meaningless.
Also: guys guys MY GIRLFRIEND
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Anope
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:33:00 -
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woooo part II go james!
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Ex0101
Gallente Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.07.26 17:34:00 -
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Not agreeing or disagreeing with anything said, but i am enjoying reading these threads very much, look forward to the next installment :)
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