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LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:30:00 - [91] Originally by: TZeer Random players: Laaaag,desynch, I cant see anything, who`s shooting me. ARGH! CCP: We can`t seen anything in our logs, game is fine. Random players: FFS, fix lag CCP. RABBLE RABBLE! Petition! CCP: "insert random yadda yadda" ooh, look new shiny stuff. Random players: we dont care about shiny stuff, fix whats broken damnit! CCP: Quafe, weee, come join us on our voice thingy. Beer!!! fanfest! Random Players: AARGGH, the lag/desynch gets worse, server went down, FIX LAG!! CCP: Look, shiiiiiny stuff!! Random players go suicidal.... The end qft
Alais Wiccanfae Gallente Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:34:00 - [92] Originally by: XxAngelxX Yeah, I see that, but then I know why you're whining and it's because you don't do PVP as a "career" in eve. What do you expect CCP to do? Miraculously patch next week and make the game perfectly playable after so many years where lag plays a huge factor in fleet battles? I've just learnt to deal with it, my main gripe is with these huge forum whines about it, if you don't like it, don't do it, and spare the rest of us from these threads This lag is nothing like lag I've experienced from other fleet battles, I've fought with you as my fleet commander down south vs FIX/BOB with 500 in local and only suffered 20/30 seconds load time and slight module activation lag times. Last night in V7 I stayed logged in for an hour after the jump in of RZR/MM and Fallen's fleets and never got an overview! and had a watch timed 2.30 module activation lag time - that is not lag, that is broken. I've played 2 other MMOs where no such lag occurs with huge numbers, sure it isn't perfect but it IS playable. CCP boast that this is the only single universe MMO around, maybe they shouldn't if that single universe crashes when people try to fight.
Vazkia	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:46:00 - [93] Edited by: Vazkia on 29/07/2007 07:46:35
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:47:00 - [94] Edited by: Zylatis on 29/07/2007 07:53:15 Edited by: Zylatis on 29/07/2007 07:51:26 Originally by: TZeer Random players: Laaaag,desynch, I cant see anything, who`s shooting me. ARGH! CCP: We can`t seen anything in our logs, game is fine. Random players: FFS, fix lag CCP. RABBLE RABBLE! Petition! CCP: "insert random yadda yadda" ooh, look new shiny stuff. Random players: we dont care about shiny stuff, fix whats broken damnit! CCP: Quafe, weee, come join us on our voice thingy. Beer!!! fanfest! Random Players: AARGGH, the lag/desynch gets worse, server went down, FIX LAG!! CCP: Look, shiiiiiny stuff!! Random players go suicidal.... The end I agree. And cardboard my point of seconding someones opinion is, by definition, seconding their response to aforementioned arguments as if i wanted to make my own new ones i would have. And saying that they are working on it is all well and good, but given that it is continuing it is understandable that people are annoyed. Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 29/07/2007 00:42:14 i for one am shocked and disgusted that when local gets to 590... fleet battles lag... i mean really... how dare ccp create a game that struggles with such huge numbers? if you promote a game on the basis that it involves lots of people in a continuous universe and pride yourselves on these interactions then you must either deliver, or change your ads. Or sell out to WoW. CCP created this game which allows certain events such as large fleet battles. Either support them or specifically limit them with intentional game mechanics, rather than punish those "foolish" enough to engage in things that are the insurance equivalent of acts of God. Failing that they must recognise the problem (which they have) and reimburse accordingly (which they havent). Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Vazkia	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:50:00 - [95] Edited by: Vazkia on 29/07/2007 07:50:15 ok that was weird, hit reply to a different thread...
Jonus Rath Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:52:00 - [96] It took about 15 mins to jump into the system. When it loaded, I had about 1-2 minute module lag, but finally started to shoot. I was shooting red unresponsive spaceships floating in the space. It doesn't matter what is your fitting, what ship you flying, no matter how good pvp-er you are. It's a frecking gambling game. CCP fights vs the blobs but yet adds cyno jammer with almost infinite hp, adds souvernity levels so we need more pos-es. Not sure how these new fixes are helping the blob issue. It seems like their right hand doesn't know what does their left.
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:56:00 - [97] Originally by: Vazkia Edited by: Vazkia on 29/07/2007 07:50:15 ok that was weird, hit reply to a different thread... U got desynched
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:58:00 - [98] Yesterday was a very hard day for Tranquility. Afaik, there were raging about 3 maybe more huge fleet battles at same time. Thanks to the lag the hostile support managed to get inside our system with very little losses. Altho, I doubt CCP can do much about it. Just a sad reality.
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.29 08:03:00 - [99] Originally by: Harleigh Yeah .. I will get flamed by the 12 year olds for this post .. Originally by: Harleigh I WILL USE BIG LETTERS CAUSE APPAERENTLY YOU CAN'T READ ... DESYNCH ... NOT LAG IS THE ISSUE HERE MORON .. Originally by: Harleigh Oh yeah .. and we don't need saving m8 .. no go back to jacking off in your corner... lol wut?
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2007.07.29 08:09:00 - [100] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 29/07/2007 08:13:04 I'm on summer vacation from EvE. I have no loyalties in game. I don't give a dam about Sparta or Tri. I've been keeping up with the eve universe thru the forums. There is a serious issue with the current playability of EvE Online. This is a cluster wide problem that is not localized to the area that TRI & Sparta Players are in gaming in. The desync issues are a by product of EvEÆs growth. It is being experienced by gamers across the EvE Universe and documented on the forums. The OP attmepted to share with the entire EvE Community his personal experience with the issue in what I suppose was part effort to create community awareness and part venting. This is a problem that has nothing to do with skill or politics. It is a system failure that hopefully can be corrected in the near future. Community awareness has a tendency to spur changes. EvE has undergone significant code changes in the recent months. This is not the same EvE Online as it was a year ago. New content has opened new styles of gameplay, which the universe cannot process at the moment. The challenges for the cluster are not the same as they were a year ago. The OP had a choice to quietly accept his disappointment, leave the game and cancel his subscription. Any dirtbags out there that wants to encourage people leave our community is clearly a dumb***. This is our community. We share it and we should be concerned. Building a player empire is a labor of love that takes many months. To lose it all to cluster issues just sucks. Yea, the game is live and growing. To some degree we can expect some problems and disconnects. However if I canÆt play the game as intended IÆd be very concerned. Thinking about giving up two years invested gameplay would frustate me. It would especially frustate me if I was the head of an alliance and not some random Joe that can take an entire summer off. Hopefully CCP will act with their love for EvE to further stretch the limits of what the current technology and humans effort can achieve. I have faith that the breakthroughs and fixes are coming. They must or they risk losing community members.
Coltaine ShadowStrider Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 08:56:00 - [101] Ok let me add my 2cents. I joined this game myself when a friend showed me some eve videos of epic battles (ccp videos mostly and day of darkness i think) and being a fan of science fiction i imagined a world with fights like babylon 5 or something like that(HA!). I fell in love with eve immidiately despite or perhaps due to its complexity(3 hours to finish the damn tutorial) so i started reading whatever i could and begun building up my ship and character. As i said i joined for the fleet battles so soonish (6 months in game) i moved to 0.0 to experiance player vs players action since npc grinding was never really my thing. Well sufficient to say you can excuse some stuff but lately it just keeps getting worse and worse. I was at V7 yesterday also allready in the system since i loged out there the previous night. After alot of time of sitting around for the fc's trying to organize things i found my self aligned towards the 2-3 gate when the local spiked and we got the orders to align to m-u gate for the battle. after a couple of minutes the fc asked is anyone aligned? NO was the answer on ts from everyone. after 3 minutes more someone said hey i am aligning and the rest of us did also. Warp was the order and another 3-4 minutes for us to warp. Then arivving at the gate and watching the pretty empty sky for another 5 minutes and presto things loaded (at that time i guess we had 60-70 people less in gang due to disconnections i am guessing). So targets started getting called and i locked 3 people in the first 10 minutes and didnt manage to fire on a single one since the modules wouldnt active. another 10 min another 3 locks with 1 target i managed to hit (YAY!). Now i dont care about politics, i have been on both sides of the fence for various reasons i just want to FIRE on some people in fleet fights. CCP CANNOT DELIVER. I dont care if it was always like that , i dont care if they have dx10 graphics or stations or heat or whatever the ***** else the MAIN thing should be being able to actually FIRE at someone I myself(dont want to include everyone or even alot of people) play this game for its potentialy massive pvp(ha!) and i am not getting what i am paying for. No i dont want a build in voice feature.. no i dont want to watch tv about eve i want to actually .. you know .. play it and i am not getting what i am paying for. Yes i can leave (and i am alot less active that i was even play a couple of other mmo's like wow which yea SUCKS but i can actually press buttons and something happens and it even has MUSIC!!!!) but i do like this game and i think its a shame they cant fix it because the next similar mmo that will come out will draw most of the people from here to there and then ccp will join the long list of companies who had a great game but **** it up. I dont care what it takes (hire hordes of programers to make new clients or new ui or write new code or whatever) just fix it or i dont see how you can expect eve to last much longer. There said my piece have fun flaming each other Endure. In enduring, grow strong.
Director Stoned Band of Developers	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:07:00 - [102] Is this the sparta whine thread or is that on newb TV?
Demolition Gunit Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:31:00 - [103] I joined the fight about an hour before desync and when we were camping the gate the node was holding with a local of 300-350 ... but then local raised slowly to 400+ and we kept seeing gatefires over and over again but no uncloaking or combat reports for the first 10-15 min, when ppl started re-logging we finally got some firepower on the field ( around 5of30 lagged out pilots but still ) i tried to re-log myself and waited 5 minutes ....10..15..20 relogged and tried again ....5...10..Bingo! Hey look im in a pod , flashing mail ... Hey look my kill mail, and its in German too. Sparta has always respected their opponents and the fleet battles, And Sparta has always been a 90% pvp 10% fat alliance but this is not how i want to fight battles and if that means public posting and massive petitions then so be it... as for TRI: All of you guys really need to get f***ed in the ass in central London and have the cops tell you they have no footage showing that. see how u feel.. --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Darc Kaahar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:35:00 - [104] Originally by: nickycakes if you think you're getting 500 person battles in any game, you need to put down the cr4ck pipe Cr4ck pipe is it? j00 am4z1ng r3t4rd.
Deersew1 Minmatar EternalRising	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:40:00 - [105] Regardless of how long this issue has been in place, it needs resolving. Harleigh, sadly as from my petition...where the GM simply kept posting the same stuff over and over again, i was informed it was my client. My client caused our engagements to de-sync...both fleets were taken out by lag on my end. So apologies to you Harleigh as clearly my client is causing lag when im not even logged on now. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "All the dominoes are falling into place like a deck of cards. Checkmate." www.eternalrising.net
Ggrimreaper Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:45:00 - [106] Originally by: Director Stoned Is this the sparta whine thread or is that on newb TV? did you actually read the post... This isn't about SPARTA or TRI or BOB or any other corp/alliance in this game... it's about the game being broken.. multiple corps/alliances (from ACROSS EVE) have reported similar issues to what we experienced. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
jorrel1 Grave Diggers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:50:00 - [107] in enlish fix the ***** lag and problems so we can play a game were the **in servers arnt all 1 sided YA MUM
Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:59:00 - [108] CCP doesnt give a dam about lagg!! They only want your monthly isk! If they really wanted to fix this, they could have done thiso ver a year ago. The memory for the final assault on ra cough in cj6mt, local spiked at same number (600) with the same ammount of lagg. In fact I only recall it getting worse over time. Even 10vs10 battles in empire lagg like hell. I am sure CCP hasp lenty of money to spend, but to greedy to spend on new hardware. A couple duo core pc as node would do alot better.
Athena Rivera Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.29 10:29:00 - [109] Quite bad to see desyncs everywhere. We lose some ships to them and end up petitioning the problem only to hear the same response being "No logs were found or that it was our own client causing it." Logserver helps but because it will come to its end soon, it will get replaced by something else. "A life that continues while your own will isn't reflected anywhere in it is nothing but pain."
wip17	Posted - 2007.07.29 10:30:00 - [110] maybe a solution for all this lag/desync issue is to log off all afk players in eve after 15 (maybe) min being inactive. Instead of 30k players online (15k afk) servers will then handle biger fights..... just a tought
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 10:45:00 - [111] As far as I can tell, with the big ruckus going down around OMIST or wherever it is the Red/Swarm vs BOB stuff is happening, the general consensus is that the lag, whilst still problematic does seem to of improved a bit since the latest round of patches. Specifically there has been a some pretty large all day punch ups with hundreds of people and alot of folks are saying that while there is lag (And lag is inevitable, its a non linear relationship mathematically between the amount of people in system and the amount of lag) its better than its been, and the desync problem seems to of improved alot. Give CCP time, as a coder who works with a lot of parallel processing experience, I can't see a simple solution to lag here. But they do seem at least to be chipping away at the issue. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature (file
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 11:15:00 - [112] Originally by: Coltaine ShadowStrider CCP CANNOT DELIVER. I dont care if it was always like that , i dont care if they have dx10 graphics or stations or heat or whatever the ***** else the MAIN thing should be being able to actually FIRE at someone I myself(dont want to include everyone or even alot of people) play this game for its potentialy massive pvp(ha!) and i am not getting what i am paying for. No i dont want a build in voice feature.. no i dont want to watch tv about eve i want to actually .. you know .. play it and i am not getting what i am paying for. Yes i can leave (and i am alot less active that i was even play a couple of other mmo's like wow which yea SUCKS but i can actually press buttons and something happens and it even has MUSIC!!!!) but i do like this game and i think its a shame they cant fix it because the next similar mmo that will come out will draw most of the people from here to there and then ccp will join the long list of companies who had a great game but **** it up. I dont care what it takes (hire hordes of programers to make new clients or new ui or write new code or whatever) just fix it or i dont see how you can expect eve to last much longer. There said my piece have fun flaming each other CCp can deliver it. The problem is as soon as CCp raise the bar of what they can hold, people push ever further. With the 2 fleets already in system and a preemptive call to GMs to reinforce the node a few days early. Its quite feasiable to have good 100 vs 100 fights. And that is already epic. But peopel wil always keep pushing for more. I think answer must be in game play, they need to create reason for separated fleets be more effective than a single one. I don 't think its very fun a fight with 350 ships on same side , where a capital ship melts in seconds. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.29 11:18:00 - [113] Edited by: Darknesss on 29/07/2007 11:19:40 I understand Sparta's anger at the issue but this really isnt something that just happens for you, its screwing everyone over, I know harleigh in his post said that, but alot of members of sparta seem to think TRI for example didnt have any lag in UEJ, it was taking our BS gang of 50+ with 60-70 support about 40-50 seconds to kill a target, that gives you an estimate of how laggy it was for us. I do agree that it needs fixing but it will take time, i dont blame CCP for it, when you think about it over 500 people in one system, 500 different people doing different things at different times. Its like Jita (which is normally very laggy) residents all undocking and having a large battle. In the mean time there are a number of measures you can take to assure as much client stability as humanly possible on your end. Some are obvious, some perhaps you dont know so i will give a quick list. 1. take all friends off overview (yes the obvious one) 2. when jumping into a major battle close overview 3. turn off all effects - ctrl alt shift e and t 4. go to generic tab on in game menu, turn off damage messages, turn off log chat to file, turn off sun is occluded by ship. 5. Turn off all color tags, friendly, enemy, all of them, make it so all ships are showing as a neutral white box, you can do this in overview settings - this is a major one, really really helps reduce problems. 6. Have an assortment of overview settings to load while progressing through the fight, personally when i jump into a fight if im in a BS i will only have BS and capital ships on my overview, as the BS's go down i load a second setting with all ships on - not sure if this helps reduce lag but it might. 7. If you know a large battle will occur in advance, send a stuck petition to the GM's informing them there is probably going to be a large battle happening in the said system and for them to reinforce the nodes. They will happily do it, and it does help. Anyway, hope that helps for any newer players that didnt know. Dark
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 11:45:00 - [114] Edited by: Seleene on 29/07/2007 11:46:44 Kudos to Darkness for his his reply but Harleigh's original post, like it or not, sums up a lot of people's feelings about the current state of the game. Last night in 49-U, local topped out at 509. Skirmish ships were taking nearly 1 minute just to enter warp and battleships were taking even longer sometimes just to change ammo types or reload. Eventually the node crashed and it felt like late 2006 again. I doubt it helped that our fight was taking place at roughly the same time as the one up around V7. Personally, I'm not sure what I think about the new POS mechanics and the direction things are going. Overall, I think it's a good idea but CCP needs to do some serious tweaking to lock times on the POS guns and come up with some kind of UI that is much more user friendly. BS blobbing is worse than ever tho. It's good because it allows alliances that do not have massive cap fleets a chance to actually participate in POS warfare, but it's bad because of... well.... BLOBS like the last week or two! Oh well... I refuse to play WoW and will just keep crossing my fingers. - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Sextus Licinius Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.29 12:05:00 - [115] Originally by: Harleigh Originally by: XxAngelxX Tip: Stop whining, teach your pilots how to deal with the lag, it is no different now to how it was a over a year ago when G + IRON tried to jump into ec- camped by ascn and bob. LOL - typical .. cause the problem benifits the aggressor atm I WILL USE BIG LETTERS CAUSE APPAERENTLY YOU CAN'T READ ... DESYNCH ... NOT LAG IS THE ISSUE HERE MORON .. Then be the agressors instead of an amphibian bunch of carebear defenders crap with t1 gunz. You call a lady a morron, you backstab all the north, you hang on the gates in empire and steal loot from pvpers (like the eagle you stole from CELES etc), you whine every single time someone is destroying your fleets and structures. Face it, you deserve to die and you have to understand that by obliterating you, we're actually doing your pilots a favour, they deserve better; your system and your attitudes just don't work, admit it. Wether you like it or not ,this is Spartaaa "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Haka Aragon Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 12:22:00 - [116] Edited by: Haka Aragon on 29/07/2007 12:23:47 Edited by: Haka Aragon on 29/07/2007 12:23:00 Originally by: Sextus Licinius you backstab all the north, you hang on the gates in empire and steal loot from pvpers (like the eagle you stole from CELES etc) 1. we never stabbed the north in the back, we withdrew from combat cause D2 had ran away and deserted thier space and it was the best interest of our pilots to come home and defend our area. 2. we are NOT the ones that sit with a MOTHERSHIP camping the Aunenen to Nonni gate every second day like total f@ggots. 3. the theft of that eagle was just someone being an opertunist and I say good on him. for the record that eagle has been returned to its rightfull owners not the cowardly little knob stains that do freighter/hauler ganking in low sec. If you want to point fingers at someone for backstabbing then look a little closer to home. By that I am refering to YouWhat... The Northern forces take out ALL the station services in YA0 and who shows up to rep the station for TRI?? YouWhat do. They know that they show blue to the north so they dont see it as a problem them helping Tri even though EVERY ALLIANCE in DEKLEIN and BRANCH have them set to -10 (along with their pet corps). This isn't a thread about who can cry the most or even about SPARTA/MC/TRI/RAZOR. NONE of the alliances in this game can escape the problems that this thread is about. The problem is that the server prioritises the fleet that is ENTERING the system rather than the one that is currently in the system. The sooner CCP get their heads out their asses and does something about this the better it will be for all of the alliances and players in the game. This game has so much potential that is why after nearly 3 years it is still getting new members on a daily basis...
Idaeus Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.07.29 12:30:00 - [117] Originally by: Haka Aragon 2. we are NOT the ones that sit with a MOTHERSHIP camping the Aunenen to Nonni gate every second day like total f@ggots. I agree. Please remove your mothership (this being directed to multiple alliances) from Lonetrek. It's starting to become bothersome.
Danzir Kasnov GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 12:39:00 - [118] So of those who have signed, agreed and seen a dsync for sure. How many have bothered to post log server data as requested by CCP? As a software egineer myself, they cant do anything without them. The reports of omg desync it always happens when you go into systems etc. are USELESS to help fix these kind of bugs. You cant debug this kind of stuff with vague descriptions. The devs have asked for this for a while now and are still saying they aint getting anywhere enar enoguh people submitting data. Everytime your about to go into a large fleet battle start log server and post it. Then you can whine.
Fate Decided Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:00:00 - [119] Edited by: Fate Decided on 29/07/2007 13:00:39 This Is Spartaaaa ... Your Signature has been removed as it is not suitable for these forums. Mail us at [email protected] if you have any queries - Valorem
Lookatmi Hooters	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:16:00 - [120] Like I could give a ** about lag and desync you whining ***es. I need more LP Store items and better missions. Actually the lvl 4 bosses should drop epix. Lvl 5 bosses should drop fabled. CCP get on it. Oh and walking in stations would be neat

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