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Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:23:00 - [121] Originally by: Danzir Kasnov So of those who have signed, agreed and seen a dsync for sure. How many have bothered to post log server data as requested by CCP? As a software egineer myself, they cant do anything without them. The reports of omg desync it always happens when you go into systems etc. are USELESS to help fix these kind of bugs. You cant debug this kind of stuff with vague descriptions. The devs have asked for this for a while now and are still saying they aint getting anywhere enar enoguh people submitting data. Everytime your about to go into a large fleet battle start log server and post it. Thanx for the advise but it does'nt help they just give the same tired old responce. No amount of proof will get ccp to publicly admit the game does not work for large fleet ops as this would cost them new members and proly older members leaving the game. The "our records show no lagg" standard comment will be all you get as a true admitance to the problem would stop ppl wanting to join or play.
Graph ro Aquilae Stellaris Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:50:00 - [122] I don't see how changing client settings will help server lag or desync.
Haka Aragon Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:00:00 - [123] Changing your client settings do nothing to help the lag/desync it is 100% server side.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:02:00 - [124] Quote: Ok .. As an alliance leader .. I am truly saddened by the current state of affairs that CCP has put this game into. What relevance does you being an alliance leader have on being "truely saddened" by the current state of affairs? Did you just chuck that line in to make yourself look big? Ok .. As someone who never plays eve, and just posts on the forums, i am truely saddened by the ENDLESS AMOUNT OF THREADS MOANING ABOUT LAG. What do you people think that if you make 50 million threads about desynchs/lag that it will suddenly, asif by magic, just disappear? CCP have known about these issues for years. Sparta were all happy just sitting in northern dek napping alliances, then unnapping them and napping new ones so they could avoid fights. If you dont want fights, why does it matter if they have lag in them or not anyway. And whats with the "truely saddened" stuff, bit dramatic it isnt it? If you are truely saddened then why are you still playing. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Ethan Hawk Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:07:00 - [125] As always I see no GM, DEv or anyone from CCP answering and take care of this... at least it would be nice that you show that you take notice of it. All major player alliances are here in this thread, all describing the same problem. The last time I was involved in such a big battle we were told by a GM that the limit is around 450 peeps in one system (according to 0.0). It was the battle at F-T... now weeks or better month later we have the same problem as before. Just one thing changed: We have to conquer systems with BS now. So my question is, why you change gamemechanics without preparing the servers for such a thing. I'm working in datacentre trechnics now for years. And if I would promise my customers nice things without having them proper included they would just kick me out of the contract. But we are not a unified customer... so CCP will never take care of it. They will just stay at thier "we are working on it" attitude for the rest of server's life... I never expected CCP to be so lame... just a simple post that you read this would be a nice start. But who has balls when other shows their mistakes??? cheers Ethan
ACHURA CALDARIAN Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:11:00 - [126] 27/07/2007 we called for the fight in v7 and we gather our fleet and when we reached to v7 FC called jump i tried to jump wait 15 mins grid load no response tried to log back after 30 mins i did and see i e-warped later i tried to join the battle which is almost finished and desynced again and disconnected this time 28/07/2007 again a fleet formed and we reached to 2-3 after our fcs get things organized we called to jump in and wait 15 mins again to load nothing happen i only see v7 gate and nothing happening then i disconnected and try to log back in after 45 mins of try i get in find my self this time in v7 2-3 gate then i asked where is our fleet they called i warped see nothing for about 10 mins then saw the fc primary called carrier orbit it activate all my web cramble missle launchers wating for 10 mins to have an activation nothing happen then an other order come i warped to 2-3 gate find my self near station alone saw nothing then my ship start to get damage altough nothing said then i warped again to the called place my screen frozen after 10 mins waiting nothing happen and i try to log back in and this time i find myself in a pod on the opposite gate which was called to get there and i warped summary : CCP PLEASE FIX THIS GAME OR YOU WONT HAVE A GAME THAT PEOPLE WOULD PLAY IF AN EMERGENCY FIX WONT COME NEXT AWARD EVE WILL GET WILL BE THE ULTIMATE PLAYER LOSS IN A SHORT TIME IF YOU WONT DO SOMETHING URGENTLY WE ARE THE GRANDSONS OF A THUNDERMAKER NATION
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:27:00 - [127] Originally by: Darknesss Edited by: Darknesss on 29/07/2007 11:19:40 I understand Sparta's anger at the issue but this really isnt something that just happens for you, its screwing everyone over, I know harleigh in his post said that, but alot of members of sparta seem to think TRI for example didnt have any lag in UEJ, it was taking our BS gang of 50+ with 60-70 support about 40-50 seconds to kill a target, that gives you an estimate of how laggy it was for us. I do agree that it needs fixing but it will take time, i dont blame CCP for it, when you think about it over 500 people in one system, 500 different people doing different things at different times. Its like Jita (which is normally very laggy) residents all undocking and having a large battle. In the mean time there are a number of measures you can take to assure as much client stability as humanly possible on your end. Some are obvious, some perhaps you dont know so i will give a quick list. 1. take all friends off overview (yes the obvious one) 2. when jumping into a major battle close overview 3. turn off all effects - ctrl alt shift e and t 4. go to generic tab on in game menu, turn off damage messages, turn off log chat to file, turn off sun is occluded by ship. 5. Turn off all color tags, friendly, enemy, all of them, make it so all ships are showing as a neutral white box, you can do this in overview settings - this is a major one, really really helps reduce problems. 6. Have an assortment of overview settings to load while progressing through the fight, personally when i jump into a fight if im in a BS i will only have BS and capital ships on my overview, as the BS's go down i load a second setting with all ships on - not sure if this helps reduce lag but it might. 7. If you know a large battle will occur in advance, send a stuck petition to the GM's informing them there is probably going to be a large battle happening in the said system and for them to reinforce the nodes. They will happily do it, and it does help. Anyway, hope that helps for any newer players that didnt know. Dark Even that won't help (nice post btw), with local 1, just me and the rats, and all options turned off, as described, de-syncs still happen. ( lost 1 ship that way ) And the GM response to this is... "We're sorry we didn't find anything wrong..blablabla." Fix-the-game-ccp! _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:43:00 - [128] Dont have fleet fights :S I understsnd your point but just tell CCP to ** off, get your out then go roaming and kill ** and have fun. Its not gonna be fixed, deal with it.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:56:00 - [129] Originally by: Velsharoon Dont have fleet fights :S I understsnd your point but just tell CCP to ** off, get your out then go roaming and kill ** and have fun. Its not gonna be fixed, deal with it. Yes mate...fleet fights are purely optional, most alliances are willing to hand over sovereignty for the price of an exotic dancer or two. How can you "deal" with a situation that randomly occurs no matter what size the engagement is. It's is NOT confined to fleet fights only, it's just the carnage is much worse when it does happen on a large scale I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Alocian	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:07:00 - [130] /signed Attention really does need to be made on the restructuring of the nodes. I have been re-thinking the node structure, and have thought the only solution may be to create a few "supernodes" which can dynamically take over nodes which surpass a certain performance level or player count. This way, CCP can still run their cheap setups per node and the system can automatically perform handshakes with the supernodes and delegate system processing responsibility to it. 500 people jump in? No problem... if we all got moved to the supernode dynamically. I am a programmer; so I know it can be done... just a matter of CCP making it a priority.
Harleigh Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:46:00 - [131] Originally by: Darko1107 Quote: Ok .. As an alliance leader .. I am truly saddened by the current state of affairs that CCP has put this game into. What relevance does you being an alliance leader have on being "truely saddened" by the current state of affairs? Did you just chuck that line in to make yourself look big? Ok .. As someone who never plays eve, and just posts on the forums, i am truely saddened by the ENDLESS AMOUNT OF THREADS MOANING ABOUT LAG. What do you people think that if you make 50 million threads about desynchs/lag that it will suddenly, asif by magic, just disappear? CCP have known about these issues for years. Sparta were all happy just sitting in northern dek napping alliances, then unnapping them and napping new ones so they could avoid fights. If you dont want fights, why does it matter if they have lag in them or not anyway. And whats with the "truely saddened" stuff, bit dramatic it isnt it? If you are truely saddened then why are you still playing. Ok .. you got me there darko :).. As someone who put holds the record for loosing their entire space in 1 day then setting all their residents red within 48- 72 hrs .. I should bow before you and bask in your greatness and wisdom of opinion. Maybe if you had the nads to actually put up a fight for your homeland you would understand the fustration some of us are experiencing. Did I nap some people? .. yes .. people that turned out to be a hell of a lot better and honorable allies then you guys ever were and I do not regret any of it. Does it mean we run from a fight ? .. um .. not according to our killboards and the fact that we have been shooting people non stop since we deployed to fountain. It takes more guts to go neutral and stand to defend what we knew was going to be a backlash then to pack up and run to the other side of the galaxy like others did. That said, back to the original context of the thread. I introduced the thread in such a manner as "an alliance leader" to indicate that this is an issue that is beyond the scope of a single player or even corporation. It is fustrerating as a leader as people look to you for answers and guidance. I am tired of defending CCP.. it is that simple. As it stands today I have to explain to people that if we get into a situation where we really need to defend something, the game will not allow us to camp a gate and lock down the system. We have to either a) stay in a pos and wait for the hostiles to jump in and let the node settle down before we can do anything about it or b) we have to leave the system and jump in on top of the hostiles camping the gate. How in any way shape or form does this constitute tactical soundness? How is it that I have to explain to people that yeah.. the game is busted? .. I can spew techical babble like the fact that CCP did not follow recommendations from vendors on how to set up the hardware .. or they fixed the jump in lag problem by prioritizing node resources to people being handed off to a node leaving squat for the people already there. But everyone is right .. it is not going to get fixed overnight. So .. the question is .. do I just sit here and, as some other contributors to the thread have suggested, "just deal with it" or do I put my opinions out there knowing dam well that it will give every opportunity in the world for people to flame Sparta. I chose the latter cause quite frankly I have never backed away from what I believe in. So many people are trying to make this about Sparta or that we lost a MS .. or that we are getting conquered or something. People .. we knew the MS was a risk from day 1 . we took it .. not a big deal .. when it went into the cooker we already had the resources to put out 2 more. We are not whining about an invasion either .. the fight that precipitated this thread from me actually occured over 18 jumps away from sparta space where we were assisting an ally.
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Twin Power Enterprises LTD	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Harleigh This is material I believe belongs in CAOD as none of the general EVE population in empire will experience it. Actually, we ARE experieincing it in empire, albeit to a lesser degree. Many systems near trading/missioning hubs are lagging very badly, to an extent I've never seen before, except in Jita. And as a character that avoids Jita like the plague, I'm very unhappy that's it's spreading... Drones are like puppies... disobedient and just as hard to housebreak.
jorrel1 Grave Diggers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:05:00 - [133]
Draconian Arcane Minmatar Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:11:00 - [134] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 29/07/2007 08:23:49 I'm on summer vacation from EvE. I have no loyalties in game. I don't give a dam about Sparta or Tri. I've been keeping up with the eve universe thru the forums. There is a serious issue with the current playability of EvE Online. This is a cluster wide problem that is not localized to the area that TRI & Sparta Players are in gaming in. The desync issues are a by product of EvEÆs growth. It is being experienced by gamers across the EvE Universe and documented on the forums. The OP attmepted to share with the entire EvE Community his personal experience with the issue in what I suppose was part effort to create community awareness and part venting. This is a problem that has nothing to do with skill or politics. It is a system failure that hopefully can be corrected in the near future. Community awareness has a tendency to spur changes. EvE has undergone significant code changes in the recent months. This is not the same EvE Online as it was a year ago. New content has opened new styles of gameplay, which the universe cannot process at the moment. The challenges for the cluster are not the same as they were a year ago. The OP had a choice to quietly accept his disappointment, leave the game and cancel his subscription. Any dirtbags out there that wants to encourage people leave our community is clearly a dumb***. This is our community. We share it and we should be concerned. Building a player empire is a labor of love that takes many months. To lose it all to cluster issues just sucks. Yea, the game is live and growing. To some degree we can expect some problems and disconnects. However if I canÆt play the game as intended IÆd be very concerned. Thinking about giving up two years invested into something I love would frustate me. It would especially frustate me if I was the head of an alliance and not some random Joe that can take an entire summer off or untill the fixes are made. Hopefully CCP will act with their love for EvE to further stretch the limits of what the current technology and humans effort can achieve. I have faith that the breakthroughs and fixes are coming. They must or they risk losing community members. /signed
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 - [135] Originally by: Harleigh Originally by: Darko1107 Quote: Ok .. As an alliance leader .. I am truly saddened by the current state of affairs that CCP has put this game into. What relevance does you being an alliance leader have on being "truely saddened" by the current state of affairs? Did you just chuck that line in to make yourself look big? Ok .. As someone who never plays eve, and just posts on the forums, i am truely saddened by the ENDLESS AMOUNT OF THREADS MOANING ABOUT LAG. What do you people think that if you make 50 million threads about desynchs/lag that it will suddenly, asif by magic, just disappear? CCP have known about these issues for years. Sparta were all happy just sitting in northern dek napping alliances, then unnapping them and napping new ones so they could avoid fights. If you dont want fights, why does it matter if they have lag in them or not anyway. And whats with the "truely saddened" stuff, bit dramatic it isnt it? If you are truely saddened then why are you still playing. Ok .. you got me there darko :).. As someone who put holds the record for loosing their entire space in 1 day then setting all their residents red within 48- 72 hrs .. I should bow before you and bask in your greatness and wisdom of opinion. Maybe if you had the nads to actually put up a fight for your homeland you would understand the fustration some of us are experiencing. Please tell me why i hold that record? And while your at it, let me know of the of the odds of Iron actually keeping its space in Dek? Please do Bow before me, i get so excited when random people ive never met in my life do that 100 miles away behind another computer. Also, Lag has been here since eve started, i may not have played for 2 years but i THINK i might just be grasping the "frustration" SOME of your alliance may be experiencing. I just dont remember making threads about it and how i was "truely" saddened. There are ways of fighting lag, maybe not so much desyncs, moaning about them isnt going to help. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:02:00 - [136] o7 OP signed, sadly my main has stopped getting into large actions as dysnc'ing makes my weekends even more psychedelic :) I cant see the CCP plan for the need for speed, maybe they should share this more publically (I'm sure its in some dev blog I've never read). Does "heat" and other such processor consuming game mechanics really help the situation? Surely they should only add effects like heat and extra 0.0 space architecture when they have got the foundations sorted? Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out
Accipiter Cooperii	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:47:00 - [137] i was in the v7 gang for hours blah blah blah you know the story, same issues as everyone else. the way i see it, CCP has created a game that has become dependent on large gang warfare. however it exists on servers that cannot handle such battles. the way i see it, either CCP is a bunch of morons who decided to change the game but not the system, or they were stupid enough to think that by adding capitals fleet combat would not adapt around them (bigger guns, bigger fleets, bigger lag). i figure that if the hardware cant handle big fleets (which are needed in 0.0 these days) then make it so that bigger fleets are not advantageous. thats what the titan and new bombs were supposed to do, obviously they havent. CCP needs to figure out how either fix the server and make it playable for fleet combat, or change the game mechanics so that huge blobs were not necessary/advantageous. they need to figure out that people (WHO PAY FOR THE DAMN GAME) are not happy and things need to change! Harleigh is my hero :)
Fr3yr Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:57:00 - [138] /signed
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:43:00 - [139] Originally by: Harleigh I luv EVE .. I just want it fixed Sums it up for me.
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:03:00 - [140] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Harleigh Originally by: Darko1107 Quote: Ok .. As an alliance leader .. I am truly saddened by the current state of affairs that CCP has put this game into. What relevance does you being an alliance leader have on being "truely saddened" by the current state of affairs? Did you just chuck that line in to make yourself look big? Ok .. you got me there darko :).. As someone who put holds the record for loosing their entire space in 1 day then setting all their residents red within 48- 72 hrs .. I should bow before you and bask in your greatness and wisdom of opinion. Maybe if you had the nads to actually put up a fight for your homeland you would understand the fustration some of us are experiencing. Please tell me why i hold that record? And while your at it, let me know of the of the odds of Iron actually keeping its space in Dek? Well... if IRON would actually put more than one tower in their station systems, and actually was present in the area while that tower was in reinforced, then yeah, you might have had a better chance of holding space. And now you seem on the bandwagon with RZR and MM and friends, hoping you might get a system of two in Branch/Dek. Well... if you ever do claim space... Sparta will get in noob ships and take your space away, as that seems to be so easy to do. It pains me that so many people have missed Harleigh's point. Whether we kick ass or get our asses kicked, the problem is the same. RZR, MM, TRI...everyone... lets assume you guys succeed, and FATAL, M. Pire, Sparta, COW, Fallen Souls and ESA are all kicked out of the North. You will take stations, set up towers, invest time and effort into making the region home. Then another force will attack, and you will be in the exact same position as us. It is in everyone's best interest to get this problem fixed... because sooner or later, it WILL become your problem too. -----------------------------------------------
Vazkia	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:35:00 - [141] Edited by: Vazkia on 30/07/2007 01:35:42 thats it im deleting this stupid char..
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:37:00 - [142] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Harleigh Originally by: Darko1107 Quote: Ok .. As an alliance leader .. I am truly saddened by the current state of affairs that CCP has put this game into. What relevance does you being an alliance leader have on being "truely saddened" by the current state of affairs? Did you just chuck that line in to make yourself look big? Ok .. As someone who never plays eve, and just posts on the forums, i am truely saddened by the ENDLESS AMOUNT OF THREADS MOANING ABOUT LAG. What do you people think that if you make 50 million threads about desynchs/lag that it will suddenly, asif by magic, just disappear? CCP have known about these issues for years. Sparta were all happy just sitting in northern dek napping alliances, then unnapping them and napping new ones so they could avoid fights. If you dont want fights, why does it matter if they have lag in them or not anyway. And whats with the "truely saddened" stuff, bit dramatic it isnt it? If you are truely saddened then why are you still playing. Ok .. you got me there darko :).. As someone who put holds the record for loosing their entire space in 1 day then setting all their residents red within 48- 72 hrs .. I should bow before you and bask in your greatness and wisdom of opinion. Maybe if you had the nads to actually put up a fight for your homeland you would understand the fustration some of us are experiencing. Also, Lag has been here since eve started, i may not have played for 2 years but i THINK i might just be grasping the "frustration" SOME of your alliance may be experiencing. I just dont remember making threads about it and how i was "truely" saddened. No, you made posts about other important issues like how you can't hear our logical responses over the sound of how awesome you are. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Skelator Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:10:00 - [143] Originally by: Redon the best thing they can do to improve the lag in this game is to seperate empire and 0.0 onto different servers. this one universe **** just isnt working and hasnt worked since the release of the game. just my two cents. /Signed!!!!! Great idea Redon! Phasmatis Velox Equitatus
Ejderdisi Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:05:00 - [144] dont mess up with 1 universe. This is the essence of eve-online. One single universe. I love it and probably u also love it even if u dont aware. Huge economy of eve lives on that. Even the wars are depends on that. And I dont want to have raid parties of 40 pilot to do PvP if this might be yr next idea. Though we need more antiblob weaponary making huge gate camps useless in a way which will give both side to time load up the system before they jump into each other. Desync is a recent problem, probably because of 'need for speed' movement. And it can be repaired back. Remember recent big wars of eve with BOB,D2,North etc etc. They were at least desync free. And I read some great war reports on them actuall stating nothing about killer lack and desync.
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.30 13:40:00 - [145] Originally by: Ejderdisi dont mess up with 1 universe. Would see more this as a separate physical server without it being a different shard. Or the other way around... whatever. Linked in a way to still keep the 1 universe but that physically, empire and 0.0 have their own full power to themselves. They probably already thought of it anyway at some point. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.30 14:02:00 - [146] "Dear Eve Customer, we have no reccord of lag in our system and therefore, we can not reimburse you for your loss" BLABLABLA... I would also suggest that CCP updates its performances tracking system What do we need to do for them to take our comments seriously and fix the game so it is properly playable? But Hey, EVE is not all about negativism! We are all training Patience + Compassion skills to level 200 while trying to play it.
Ur235 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.30 14:32:00 - [147] Edited by: Ur235 on 30/07/2007 14:35:44 Maybe you should try a different strategy? Like I dunno split your gang into three, then have each individual gang camping 1 system along the route to your home system? Or dont stay straight on the gate, create a grid load point at about 1000km from the gate. Once your all there then warp to the gate after they have jumped in. Or maybe stay one system out from the system you are defending. Once they jump into the system you jump after them? there all gonna get lagged so maybe you could force the jump in priority to favour you instead of the agressors? Some ways may not work at all but elts face it what your doing at the moment aint working either, so employing something completley different may give you an advantage There are ways around it and different things are gonna have to be tried. Some ways may make them get closer to you than you want them to but lets face it, you will get more pew pew in the end. I do agree though we shouldnt have to look for ways around lag, as there shouldnt be any lag at all really. Hence why I stay away from alliance sized based warfare. Ill pick a roaming gang of 20 over a fleet of 100 anyday of the week
grizouh Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:22:00 - [148] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon RZR, MM, TRI...everyone... lets assume you guys succeed, and FATAL, M. Pire, Sparta, COW, Fallen Souls and ESA are all kicked out of the North. You will take stations, set up towers, invest time and effort into making the region home. Then another force will attack, and you will be in the exact same position as us. It is in everyone's best interest to get this problem fixed... because sooner or later, it WILL become your problem too. Oh the irony! Maybe they have been in exactly the same situation before? ;o)
Xeen DuWang Hell's Horsemen	Posted - 2007.07.30 17:37:00 - [149] Big fleet battles, or small ones... It doesnt matter, we have seen the desync problems with 10 people in system. Granted I doubt at the scale you will see with 500... Hell's Horsemen
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:01:00 - [150] I'm personally rather disappointed in the lack of progress on the fleet battle issues. CCP is pushing us into bigger and bigger blobs but the game just can't handle it. My favorite form of frustration is when you jump into a system and it takes 20 mins to load the grid while targets are being called the entire time. Happened to me in F-T and in 66- where the fight was over before I could even join in, followed by the 20 mins of 'waiting to enter game' in a close sencond. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie

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