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Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:40:00 - [151] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Harleigh Originally by: Darko1107 Quote: Ok .. As an alliance leader .. I am truly saddened by the current state of affairs that CCP has put this game into. What relevance does you being an alliance leader have on being "truely saddened" by the current state of affairs? Did you just chuck that line in to make yourself look big? Ok .. you got me there darko :).. As someone who put holds the record for loosing their entire space in 1 day then setting all their residents red within 48- 72 hrs .. I should bow before you and bask in your greatness and wisdom of opinion. Maybe if you had the nads to actually put up a fight for your homeland you would understand the fustration some of us are experiencing. Please tell me why i hold that record? And while your at it, let me know of the of the odds of Iron actually keeping its space in Dek? Well... if IRON would actually put more than one tower in their station systems, and actually was present in the area while that tower was in reinforced, then yeah, you might have had a better chance of holding space. And now you seem on the bandwagon with RZR and MM and friends, hoping you might get a system of two in Branch/Dek. Well... if you ever do claim space... Sparta will get in noob ships and take your space away, as that seems to be so easy to do. Yeh cos theres a whole lot of point of putting 4305630 towers in a system when you dont actually have the force to defended them against over 5 alliances, each bigger than your own. Its called a tactical retreat. Might have meant we stood NO chance of keeping dek, but its better than losing a **** load of resources, and having a remarkbly tiny chance of keeping it. Btw, look at the map, maybe if you were a little more informed you would see iron is already claiming space. Not to bright are we? ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:37:00 - [152] Originally by: Darko1107 Yeh cos theres a whole lot of point of putting 4305630 towers in a system when you dont actually have the force to defended them against over 5 alliances, each bigger than your own. Its called a tactical retreat. Might have meant we stood NO chance of keeping dek, but its better than losing a **** load of resources, and having a remarkbly tiny chance of keeping it. Btw, look at the map, maybe if you were a little more informed you would see iron is already claiming space. Not to bright are we? So.... Sparta withdraws from the war, and we get blasted. IRON gives up without a fight and run away.... and they come up smelling like roses? You made a tactical retreat, and no longer committed your pilots to fighting. We tactically withdrew, and no longer committed our pilots to fighting. The only difference is that all of the north seems upset with the fact that we retained our space... whereas you scurried all the way to the far side of the map. Speaking of which... how are those drone bounties, hmmm??? Tired of jumping all those mins to empire to get paid? Perhaps you should have tried to hold on in DEK a bit harder... or did you simple realize, as we did, that D2 was only out for themselves, and you left because you KNEW they wouldn't life a finger to help you??? And now you come in on RZR's coattails, hoping for the scraps from their table. Pathetic. -----------------------------------------------
Rogue1004 Caldari Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:41:00 - [153] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Originally by: Darko1107 Yeh cos theres a whole lot of point of putting 4305630 towers in a system when you dont actually have the force to defended them against over 5 alliances, each bigger than your own. Its called a tactical retreat. Might have meant we stood NO chance of keeping dek, but its better than losing a ** load of resources, and having a remarkbly tiny chance of keeping it. Btw, look at the map, maybe if you were a little more informed you would see iron is already claiming space. Not to bright are we? So.... Sparta withdraws from the war, and we get blasted. IRON gives up without a fight and run away.... and they come up smelling like roses? You made a tactical retreat, and no longer committed your pilots to fighting. We tactically withdrew, and no longer committed our pilots to fighting. The only difference is that all of the north seems upset with the fact that we retained our space... whereas you scurried all the way to the far side of the map. Speaking of which... how are those drone bounties, hmmm??? Tired of jumping all those mins to empire to get paid? Perhaps you should have tried to hold on in DEK a bit harder... or did you simple realize, as we did, that D2 was only out for themselves, and you left because you KNEW they wouldn't life a finger to help you??? And now you come in on RZR's coattails, hoping for the scraps from their table. Pathetic. Rofl Pmsl QFT good one paddle :P Chief Executive Officer - Black Knight Buccaneers.**
Harleigh Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:59:00 - [154] Edited by: Harleigh on 30/07/2007 21:00:17 Well .... One week now since I have had any response at all from CCP on my petition that they asked me to file on behalf of Sparta. One week of not even so much as a " we are still looking into it" .. To top it off .. I have been warned that if I even create a petition to ask about it or instruct my alliance to file individual petitions that I face being banned. They know there is an issue, 6 pages of postings and comments from people on both sides of the equation confirm it .. but I don't even get the curtosy of a reach-around from the GM's as this is being looked into. And BTW .. yes i tried email .. 4 days .. no response .. Problem is if they admit it ... it opens a hell of a can of worms... Thankyou for all of you who have seen past the banter and politics to actually post on the thread subject. Time and time again I hear nothing but "that's it ..I quit" from people who are used to lag and fleet warfare .. but this is different. People are even private evemailing me with stories and support and for that I am gratefull. Everyone here knows that the 0.0 alliance people are a different breed. We are among the most active, vocal and devoted people in the game .. and it is these people that we are loosing in droves. CCP pushed rev 2 out the door before it was ready because they knew they needed to do something to stop the exodus of senior pilots. This has only compounded the issue. It is these skilled people, the FC's and leaders that we are loosing that is the truely sad part. Reading through this thread it is evidenced that the fustration is widespead, and keep in mind that only a small percentage of pilots actually read and respond in the forums. You would think that if the devs or senior staff were even bothering to monitor the forums .. they would pleasure us with at least some kind of response .. but most likely they are all sitting in some plush boardroom scratching their heads thinking .. WTF we do now ... I KNOW! .. TECH III bling bling ! .. That will distract them! Dunno if anyone noticed .. but server was setting new records constantly for a while .. 15K users .. then 20 .. 25 .. 30 .. umm ... 30 ... 25 .. 30 .. noticed that it has stagnated even with the influx of new players? .. Coincidence ? .... CCP .. if you want to at least have the decency to update me in private .. you have my email ... I would welcome anything you have to say on the matter.
ACHURA CALDARIAN Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:53:00 - [155] i got response for my petition here is it i almost lost my last 5 ships to lag or descynced and always got neary the same response and also a GM telling me if i dont like it go and find a new game to play here is last repsonse from CCP: Sent - 7/30/2007 9:13:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi ACHURA CALDARIAN, We are sorry to hear about your ship loss. Unfortunately we are unable to reimburse the ship as our server-side logs do not indicate that a bug/error within the game or a server related problem was the reason for your loss. This does not mean that we doubt your description of events in any way but I'm afraid it keeps our hands tied in regards to reimbursement. Our reimbursement policies are very strict and we can only reimburse if we are able to verify that a bug or server error caused the loss. We hope that you understand our position and that you will recover swiftly from the loss. Best Regards, GM DuoDuo EVE Online Customer Support WE ARE THE GRANDSONS OF A THUNDERMAKER NATION
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:08:00 - [156] Here's one: ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi. I'm afraid our reimbursement policies are very strict, we can only reimburse if our logs show a server related problem or bug caused your loss, since the logs show no discrepancies in this instance, my hands are tied in the matter. Best regards, GM Dionysus EVE Online Customer Support ------------------------------------- and another: Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. I apologize for the late reply. After checking our server logs, we found no server issues at the time of your ship's destruction. This is not to say that you did not experience lag, however, it means that the source of the lag did not originate from EVE server. We regret the loss of your ship, but in this case we will not be reimbursing it. Thank you for your patience and understanding. We wish you better luck in the future as well as a speedy recovery. Best regards, GM Chilimilkshake EVE Online Customer Servie Support But hey! I've figured out the problem... its not the server that's broken! Its their logging software! -----------------------------------------------
Ggrimreaper Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:41:00 - [157] i know someone who was told that the problem was THEIR client or (even better still) THEIR ISP!!! so because so many ppl are affected by this I'm assuming that we all use this persons PC and client, and/Or his ISP.. Um.. I think there is a greater chance you'd :- Win the lottery, Find the woman/man of your dreams Marry them and get yourself/them pregnant All in one day then it being a problim with his client or his ISP guys... (okay prob not but you get idea)
Aceformat Valiant Logistics Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:53:00 - [158] Aside from the banter, I have to agree with the OP, and it seems CCP agrees also what with the new hardware upgrade this Thursday. The game has been getting worse for well over a year now and throwing "ooo shineyÖ" new things into the game has not taken our attention off the fact that the gameplay has diminished so much people are changing games because of it! Never mind fleet combat, being so lagged out in empire that you cannot simply send a sentence to a chatbox such as corp or local because of the lag is beyond taking the preverbial. I hope Thursday brings happiness and joy to us all.
Belial02 Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:42:00 - [159] Yeah, how wonderful : 1) Wait for hours, thanks to POS warfare and supercaps. 2) Start moving (all effects off, all chat windows and overview reduced, graphic settings to the lowest, pressign ctrl + F9 while jumping in.) 3) IF you ever manage to reach the system where the fight takes place, you then have to jump into an enemy camp with a large bubble, with your tech II fitted/rigged battleship (then again thanks to DD for gimping fleet setups) 4) Wait for 2/3 minutes until the 'Ship out of control' message or the 'entering station' one pop up. Without beeing able to even see the enemy, let alone activate a mod and actually try to fight. 5) I petitionned this once, unfortunately, you guys wont reimbuse, since theres nothing on your logs. Hey want a fraps guys? SERIOUSLY WTF. Really thanks for that, as i said before, if you cant have fleet battles stop acting like if it was possible. Fleet battles right now are nothing less than a lie and a waste of time for most players. Make it so fleets become completely useless. Lets have fun with large gangs instead. Originally by: Omeega diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
DAGMA20	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:11:00 - [160] Edited by: DAGMA20 on 31/07/2007 11:11:45 /signed Seems that getting records and being renowned for having a single server/shard/whatever you want to call it, has blurred the vision of the game. You have a really good game here, and as has been said before we don't want new content, we just want the finished version of Revelations II not the beta version....

Mr Neutron Blazing Angels	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:36:00 - [161] Ehm guys, I think that lag & desync are polite way of CCP to say to us: get back into small gang PVP without capitals. That way they don't have to say that capitals & large fleets was a mistake ---- Jayne Cobb> Shiny! Let's be bad guys...
Belial02 Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:06:00 - [162] Originally by: TZeer Random players: Laaaag,desynch, I cant see anything, who`s shooting me. ARGH! CCP: We can`t seen anything in our logs, game is fine. Random players: FFS, fix lag CCP. RABBLE RABBLE! Petition! CCP: "insert random yadda yadda" ooh, look new shiny stuff. Random players: we dont care about shiny stuff, fix whats broken damnit! CCP: Quafe, weee, come join us on our voice thingy. Beer!!! fanfest! Random Players: AARGGH, the lag/desynch gets worse, server went down, FIX LAG!! CCP: Look, shiiiiiny stuff!! Random players go suicidal.... The end ahahhaha Originally by: Omeega diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
Lore'kei	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:21:00 - [163] Originally by: XxAngelxX Tip: Stop whining, teach your pilots how to deal with the lag, it is no different now to how it was a over a year ago when G + IRON tried to jump into ec- camped by ascn and bob. And hence where are G and Iron now? After their complete failure to stop the ASCN/BoB Blob in EC due to not being able to jump in with any decent sized numbers - G disbanded and Iron left Dek to Civil War. I think the OP would really like the opportunity to defend his/her space. I think it's a fair request. I remember sitting in EWOK with 250 people with 150 G in EC and another 150 in Torrinos waiting for the signal then being told it's just suicide so why bother.. We had the numbers to make a fight we just didn't do it because we knew we would lag out and get popped.
Anton March Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:24:00 - [164] Originally by: Mr Neutron Ehm guys, I think that lag & desync are polite way of CCP to say to us: get back into small gang PVP without capitals. That way they don't have to say that capitals & large fleets was a mistake Desynchs can happen in small gang combat too. Just this weekend I was flying with a gang of about 5 people and a Vaga jumped in to us and desynched. On the other extreme, we had another fight this past weekend where we jumped in to 8 carriers with support on a gate and at least from my end, there was no lag or desynch at all. I actually lagged more in an empty system a couple jumps before our destination than I did in the fight itself.
musgrattio Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:53:00 - [165] /signed. Please fix lag lol. I mean what else is there to say?
Accipiter Cooperii Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:14:00 - [166] ive been saying this for weeks now, if not months: if CCP didnt want bigger fleets and bigger battles, then they should not have created capitals, let alone supercapitals! they brought all this on themselves. and then they decided to give ships more hp, which only stresses even more the need for more ships and more firepower. the blame for all the blobs and POS spamming rests soley on the shoulders of the developers. i dont want them to destroy the idea of big fleet combat, because we all know its a ton of fun, but i do want them to find a happy medium. figure out how to have big fleets without the huge desynch issues (i dont mind a few seconds lag, that will/can never get fixed). they have misplaced their priorities and jumped into this "need for speed" crap too fast. the game has many bigger and more important flaws that need to get solved first. its good to know that we are not the only ones that are not happy with the gameplay, thanks to everyone for the support! Harleigh is still my hero :)
Harleigh Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 00:30:00 - [167] Ok .. got a response back from one of my individual petitions .. ----------------------------------- Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. I apologize for the late reply. I understand this can be frustrating but we unfortunately can not take responsibility for such losses for we have no verification that this was a mistake on your part or not. We regrettably may not take your word for it for we must in all cases use our logs for verification. I am not saying we do not trust you or think you are lying to us, we simply may not take the word of any player some lie when others don't. Our reimbursement policy (http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp) forbids us to replace ships and items lost to unverifiable bugs as it would open the window to massive exploiting of the petition system and undermine the overall fairness of the game. After reviewing this case, I'm sorry to say that I can not overturn the previous decision, as it was made in accordance with our reimbursement policy: 'No reimbursement requests are guaranteed to be fulfilled. The general rule is that we must be able to verify that your loss should not have occurred during normal game play.' http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp Without server side verification of the matter, we can not act on your behalf. Our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Best regards, GM xxxxx EVE Customer Support Team ---------------------------- Sound like a cut and paste ? My response .. WRONG FRIGGING ANSWER .. go back and try again .. .or at least cut and paste something new so it is at least interesting to read instead of a complete waste of my time .. If you think I will let this topic die .. you got another thing comming ...
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.01 00:41:00 - [168] Unfortunately you will just be deleted for discussing GM responses in forum. It is a well known fact that EVE really doesn't handle large fleets well at all despite the fact that grandiose battles seem to be the endgame content touted by EVE's developers. I very much wish they would spend more time working on solutions and optimizations for this instead of garbage like heat and walking in stations. Continue to let CCP know what your priorities are as a player (better yet, as a great big group of players) but recognize that if you don't do it carefully, you will simply be discarded. Oh and yes, Sparta's past politics were suicidal, but that's not really the issue here
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 00:48:00 - [169] lag free fleet battles may be a reality if CCP can ever find a way to assign multiple nodes to a single system. Eve2 anyone
Harleigh Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 01:03:00 - [170] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Unfortunately you will just be deleted for discussing GM responses in forum. It is a well known fact that EVE really doesn't handle large fleets well at all despite the fact that grandiose battles seem to be the endgame content touted by EVE's developers. I very much wish they would spend more time working on solutions and optimizations for this instead of garbage like heat and walking in stations. Continue to let CCP know what your priorities are as a player (better yet, as a great big group of players) but recognize that if you don't do it carefully, you will simply be discarded. Oh and yes, Sparta's past politics were suicidal, but that's not really the issue here Yeah i forgot you can't discuss GM reponses you can't discuss moderation you can't escalate you can't get it fixed you can't a GM to even acknowledge this issue or thread Geez .. starting to sound a lot like this thing in R/L called marriage .. :P

sparkvolt Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 01:09:00 - [171] Maybe their server log is **** as well. I wouldn't be surprised. If 20,30,n people drop instantly from server for no apparent reason that should be logged. It always gets me how companies fall back on something not generally available to players. Oh, our logs don't show anything. I can bet my left nut they didn't even look at the log. Instead they opened their myspace and checked comments. Then when they saw nobody left them any cute remarks they got **ed and decided to turn down petition. If this was US company they would have BBB and Federal Trading Commission all over them by now... If only a competitor was visiting this forum they would laugh their butts off at shear incompetence... If... If... Let's see how they do with "hardware" upgrade. I bet they replace faulty monitor cord and claim they put 8xQuadCore processors in the box and additional 32GB of RAM only to claim how hardware is incompatible with their "futuristic" designs so they had to send it back... This is sad...
Red Moon Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.01 01:18:00 - [172] Im gratefull these days that we stopped at about 30k ppl online... since i imagine things would get alot worse with more and more players in. but the real issue is that limitation of one system per blade/server/cpu whatever.. Since one blade at ccp house can handle more systems... but they cant have more blades manage one system even if that system has more ppl in it. In a battle... more stuff comes into play to make things even worse... like players warping in/out, bubbles, wreks, corpses and so on. Not to mention damage messages, colisions and all those wonderfull things our ships are suposed to do. Under these conditions... i dont care that much about heat, station walking and all that stuff. one thing im specially ****ed about are the corpses... they have no use, no reason no point no anything but create another object on the screen
civari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 01:56:00 - [173] This was what i saw when I jumped into UEJX http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=566526 Video: Wreckless
Akov Stohs FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 02:18:00 - [174] Have to say, I petitioned stuck about the lag before I engaged. I received a "we are aware and are working on it, good luck" Made me feel better...felt like it wasn't just being blown off. Now, I didn't die. But the response gave me confidence that at least something was being done. Had I gotten a "Our logs don't show any issues" I would of been heavily annoyed... my sig is too big
Mud Pandemonium Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.01 03:10:00 - [175] You've probably heard me say it before, I'll say it again. Addiction really screws us over when it comes to getting any real changes made. CCP are fully aware that most of us will play no matter how bad things get. When I first started playing EVE Online I looked at CCP as this great company, GMs actively involved with their userbase? Awesome!, Free downloadable client and free expansions? Awesome! After awhile I sort of saw through the silvery haze of all this to see CCP for what it really is. The epitome of capitalistic immorality, extremely shady business practices and a generally unprofessional approach to customer service. Here, I'll reiterate, "With a clever combination of hardware and proprietary software, the EVE backend has been constructed and refined based on CCPÆs years of experience of operating virtual worlds. This powerful combination allows CCP to operate the server clusters at lower cost than most other games with lower hardware investment and less bandwidth charges." - http://www.ccpgames.com/company/technology.asp A lower cost that is unfortunately not being passed on to the paying customers since we're paying what generally could be considered the standard monthly fee for an MMORPG yet we're not receiving what would be considered standard service as advertised, IE: Working fleet warfare. Now, I don't mean to say the only thing EVE holds for people is 0.0 fleet warfare, however your advertising campaigns explicitly tout this as the be all and end all of CCP endgame content. You've stated before that everything essentially serves PVP within EVE. Your trailers continually show fleet warfare as you envision it, not how it actually is. I'm well aware that some..liberties can be taken with trailers, that some exaggerations to gameplay can be afforded. However the base gameplay in question is horribly, horribly broken. How about showing the public and potential customers what fleet warfare is really like? How about showing the public and potential customers what CCP customer service is really like? How about showing the public and potential customers that your approach to server management the "Do more with less" angle is incredibly stupid? It really doesn't matter though does it? You can still count on our monthly payments rolling in each month knowing that we'll continue to play because we've got the MMO addiction going on. Why not release some hard data regarding spending over revenue? Put my mind at ease that you're investing heavily in the server cluster. I want to know that your profit margins aren't insanely huge while your expenditures are extremely slim. I've had a petition sitting on the burner for nearly a month now. Like I told one of your GMs, the slow response time and the massive queue time only shows your complete lack of empathy, respect and professionalism towards paying customers. GMs asking in local how to change a station name and then replying with "Well duh" doesn't exactly inspire confidence either. I don't pretend to know how to manage a business, but it seems to me you need to get a few consulting firms in to hold your hand. You need a consultant to overlook your customer service team, review training procedures and update your policies to make them more realistic. If a ship is lost when there is 500 people in local and the player petitions it as a desynch when there is a huge known issue with desynchs..it's best to give the customer the benefit of the doubt. Little note, perhaps stop advertising broken gameplay, it's a slap in the face to us who already play and it's incredibly immoral to use it as a lure for new players. So yeah, CCP, wake up, take responsibility for your game. Also, stop introducing crap that nobody asked for, dedicate your manpower to fixing current issues, not gluing sequins to a loaf of steaming "customer service" Annihilation, Obliteration Pulses in these veins
Dr Nightmare D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 03:17:00 - [176] Originally by: Harleigh LOL - typical .. cause the problem benifits the aggressor atm Try being the aggressors next time? or you guys just like dying to a problem you guys cause...
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 03:40:00 - [177] Originally by: Dr Nightmare Originally by: Harleigh LOL - typical .. cause the problem benifits the aggressor atm Try being the aggressors next time? or you guys just like dying to a problem you guys cause... That sums up the problem reather neatly for me. The agressors have the clear advantage. The real question is SHOULD they. Whats the point of setting up all the infrastructure of its disadvantagous to do so.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.08.01 04:23:00 - [178] Originally by: Montaire Originally by: Dr Nightmare Originally by: Harleigh LOL - typical .. cause the problem benifits the aggressor atm Try being the aggressors next time? or you guys just like dying to a problem you guys cause... That sums up the problem reather neatly for me. The agressors have the clear advantage. The real question is SHOULD they. Whats the point of setting up all the infrastructure of its disadvantagous to do so. Nobody said you can't be aggressive on defense.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.01 05:40:00 - [179] Edited by: prathe on 01/08/2007 05:41:41 Originally by: Harleigh Edited by: Harleigh on 01/08/2007 00:33:46 Ok .. As an alliance leader .. agreed eve as far as alliance combat is concerned its teetering on complete disaster.... the game has gone to a point where ccp just never envisioned it going and they cant very well say "look we never realized how big it would get there's no way we can handle this anymore " i honestly think that ccp's problem really is the servers themselves , the only way to effectively cut the lag to reasonable levels is to spend an obscene amount of money they haven't got
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 07:03:00 - [180] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Montaire Try being the aggressors next time? or you guys just like dying to a problem you guys cause... That sums up the problem reather neatly for me. The agressors have the clear advantage. The real question is SHOULD they. Whats the point of setting up all the infrastructure of its disadvantagous to do so. Nobody said you can't be aggressive on defense. I agree with the sentiment, but honestly whats the point of establishing fortified possitions if you cant defend them. Back when ASCN and BOB took EC- it was near impossible for D2 to stop them. The mechanics of the time favored the defender. Now the mechanics heavily favor the attacker. Im not saying "Boo Hoo Lag" - Im just saying that CCP needs to make it reciprocal, affecting both sides equally. The mechanic right now gives people jumping in a much higher priority on the server, resulting in a great deal of advantage to them. Which is a total paradigm shift - the defenders should allways have the advantage in their own space.



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