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Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Etheral Queen ... it takes to long to get things done and never feel like im actually doing anything. and that is worse than actually having to farm the same stupid mob a gazillion times over and over again, while completing braindead quests, just to get to a part of the game, where it might be fun? Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today!
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:01:00 - [32] If you are looking for fun dont bother doing missions or mining for that matter. The true meaning of fun in EVE is usually blowing the bejesus out of your enemies in the great wars that we constantly wage. Missioning and mining != fun, ratting in 0.0 is at least semi fun cos you never know what is going to happend next. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:04:00 - [33] only thing that has made eve less enjoyable for me is there is a lot more mini fleet ganks in low sec now --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! WTS freighter service 500k a jump mods if you want a cookie leave a comment =)
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:07:00 - [34] If your idea of fun is button smashing, then no, eve is not fun. But there's 12 million MMOs that have button smashing, to kill the ebil bunnies of doom in their thousands, we really don't need that here. Unless guristas = ebil bounnies of doom, then we need it...
AuroraStar Gallente RennTech	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Originally by: Etheral Queen ... it takes to long to get things done and never feel like im actually doing anything. and that is worse than actually having to farm the same stupid mob a gazillion times over and over again, while completing braindead quests, just to get to a part of the game, where it might be fun? Unfortunatly youve just described EVE to. Replace mob with asteroid, npc pirate and braindead quest with mission. Any mmo is going to be grindy, its how they ensure you play for longer and hence pay for longer. Eve while not as grindy "Level" wise still requires you to grind for isk. Cant have fun in eve with no isks.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:10:00 - [36] EVE definetly doesn't require you to grind for isk. There's a ton of options to make isk, and several include grind like activities, that's true. But there's other ways to make your isk. And, and that's quite important IMHO, you really don't need that much isk, to have a helluvalot of fun playing this game. If you can shake the mindset that more expensive = better.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Galactic Savings and Investments	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:15:00 - [37] Isk is not needed for fun in this game, i have my best fun in my million-isk frigate than anything else i own, INCLUDING the full T2 navy megathron. EVE is not wow, it should never even be compared, nothing should ever be mixed between the two. Ever. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion
Aussie Storm Amarr Cskillzone DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Etheral Queen Edited by: Etheral Queen on 14/08/2007 10:23:56 So i just cancelled my WoW account and resubbed to EvE for a month and i'm regretting it already. as much as i love the idea behind eve i just find it too slow paced and unresponsive i spend most of my time watching a screen that is mostly black. if i compare WoW to EvE it would be like in WoW you have to take the Windrider/Gryphon to go anywhere, whati mean is you click i want to go here then spend 10 minutes watching your character do something, its unresponsive, if i had freedom of movement in eve it would make it so much better. to me it seems like jumpgates/auto pilot are the biggest mistake made for eve it takes so long to do a quest. to give you an idea i started worlds collide about 45mins ago, since then i've watched an episode of mind of mencia and browsed the web for chinese food recipes...who would have thought im playing a game? can't wait for a new sci-fi mmo to come out, one where i actually get to control my character instead of f1-f7/watch tv. and no, you can't have my faction fitted/tech2 cnr Go back to WoW, anybody who plays WoW and enjoys running around as a fairy boy isnt going to get EVE, no matter how long you play it, as is evident in your post, have a nice day
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:17:00 - [39] Edited by: ry ry on 14/08/2007 11:17:49 Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Originally by: Etheral Queen ... it takes to long to get things done and never feel like im actually doing anything. and that is worse than actually having to farm the same stupid mob a gazillion times over and over again, while completing braindead quests, just to get to a part of the game, where it might be fun? Like grinding faction standings for epic items in wow you mean? in other news, i've spent the past couple of days running level one missions to get my standing up with a corp because i want their LP rewards. This was a fresh and exciting experience that in no way mirrors some of the most maligned features of WoW.
Zolipara	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:19:00 - [40] I've just started EVE again too after a long time in WOW. You cant compare the two games as they are completely different. In wow you grind mobs for rep/gold/items so you can do PVE raids. PVE raids are wow's primary content and it does that much better than EVE. The pvp in wow is a joke, and there is very little point in the mmo part except for the raids. In eve you mine/trade/mission for isk so you can get involved in pvp, corpwars etc. The politics, wars etc is the primary content of EVE. Its built around player-player interaction where wow is mainly PVE. The basic grinding in both games are not so fun. The only difference is that in wow you mash 2 buttons while fighting, but in eve you dont have to mash the buttons as much.
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:20:00 - [41] Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 14/08/2007 11:25:19 Originally by: ry ry Like grinding faction standings for epic items in wow you mean? in other news, i've spent the past couple of days running level one missions to get my standing up with a corp because i want their LP rewards. This was a fresh and exciting experience that in no way mirrors some of the most maligned features of WoW. touchT... but you got FoFs and Drones for that so its in fact not THAT bad. AND: you could also pay a lvl4 runner to share his standing gain with you, so actually there is a difference (admittetly it has been introduced only shortly ago) so... what was the grind again? edit: on top of that in wow you dont have a friggin choice other than not play it... Stackless pythons ate my hamsters!
AuroraStar Gallente RennTech	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:28:00 - [42] Edited by: AuroraStar on 14/08/2007 11:34:58 Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 14/08/2007 11:25:19 Originally by: ry ry Like grinding faction standings for epic items in wow you mean? in other news, i've spent the past couple of days running level one missions to get my standing up with a corp because i want their LP rewards. This was a fresh and exciting experience that in no way mirrors some of the most maligned features of WoW. touchT... but you got FoFs and Drones for that so its in fact not THAT bad. AND: you could also pay a lvl4 runner to share his standing gain with you, so actually there is a difference (admittetly it has been introduced only shortly ago) so... what was the grind again? edit: on top of that in wow you dont have a friggin choice other than not play it... Yea but to PAY the lvl 4 mission runner to share it you need isk... which you then have to grind for. You can't just login as a newb and start playing the market, you need a decent cash base for that which is gotten... grinding.
Aziz Hekato Minmatar Hekato-Matari Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:28:00 - [43] Edited by: Aziz Hekato on 14/08/2007 11:28:50 Well if you want to compare WoW with EVE; WoW sucks and is for ugly people. EVE is great and for the beautiful people. People that plays EVE, and WoW during downtimes are in the middle.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:31:00 - [44] Can I have your stuff. kthnx and bye.
Etheral Queen	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Zolipara I've just started EVE again too after a long time in WOW. You cant compare the two games as they are completely different. In wow you grind mobs for rep/gold/items so you can do PVE raids. PVE raids are wow's primary content and it does that much better than EVE. The pvp in wow is a joke, and there is very little point in the mmo part except for the raids. In eve you mine/trade/mission for isk so you can get involved in pvp, corpwars etc. The politics, wars etc is the primary content of EVE. Its built around player-player interaction where wow is mainly PVE. The basic grinding in both games are not so fun. The only difference is that in wow you mash 2 buttons while fighting, but in eve you dont have to mash the buttons as much. actually in wow i had atleast 20 different keybinds it was far from a 2 button game the only grinding i did was to get the little gold i needed to pvp, i got all my gear through pvp the only grinding i did was 1-70 (took me maybe 6-8 weeks) and whatever little bit i needed for repairs. in eve the grinding i do is missions, to afford to be able to pvp but i dont "have" to do anything to advance in EvE, thats my whole point, you autopilot where you want to go, you autopilot your skills, most of eve for me is just waiting for something, i just think if they could make it so you could actually explore it would be better that is my only gripe, i can't actually go where i want to go. in EvE there are 6 "zones" i can think of jumpgate, asteroid belt, station, plex, moon and pos, wanna know how many places i can pvp in wow? i can pvp anywhere all i need is someone to fight and i think eve would be better with thousands of people all on the same "zone" with the ability to go wherever they please not just autopilot to one of 6 set destinations. /shrug what do i know i used to play wow im a noob.
Moe Sczyzlak Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:38:00 - [46] Originally by: mechtech I think that without 0.0, politics, and "playing for a greater corp oriented goal", it's just not fun. You should give pvp a try before you leave, join a corp that fits your style. Eve wasn't designed as a PVE game, they stated it repeatedly while it was being developed. What he said ^ I will not go on a "carebear-rant" since I have no problem with the concept of PVE. In WoW PVE beats PVP. But PVE-ing in EVE just isn't fun. (<--a matter of opinion, obviously, but that's my opinion) :)
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:43:00 - [47] Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 14/08/2007 11:43:38 Originally by: AuroraStar Yea but to PAY the lvl 4 mission runner to share it you need isk... which you then have to grind for. You can't just login as a newb and start playing the market, you need a decent cash base for that which is gotten... grinding. id share my standing gain with new pilots for free, if they just tag along and salvage for me. they get half of the bounties, too! and im not the only one who does this. and something else: if you dont know what you WANT to do, you wont have fun. (probably :D you still can get lucky=) Stackless pythons ate my hamsters!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:47:00 - [48] My advice: Put together a 120 person corp, assemble them based on the type of ship they fly, then assemble massive 40 person fleets. Then take those fleets into your mission. You'll feel a bit more at home. :)
AuroraStar Gallente RennTech	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:49:00 - [49] Edited by: AuroraStar on 14/08/2007 11:49:50 Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 14/08/2007 11:43:38 Originally by: AuroraStar Yea but to PAY the lvl 4 mission runner to share it you need isk... which you then have to grind for. You can't just login as a newb and start playing the market, you need a decent cash base for that which is gotten... grinding. id share my standing gain with new pilots for free, if they just tag along and salvage for me. they get half of the bounties, too! and im not the only one who does this. and something else: if you dont know what you WANT to do, you wont have fun. (probably :D you still can get lucky=) I do bit of this bit of that... that I feel is the way to keep eve fun - bit of mining, bit of ratting, bit of mission running, bit of pvp, bit of playing the market. You are right - running missions 24/7 isnt required to play eve. But the way the tutorial is setup - it gives new players the idea that missions are the main part of the game. My sister just got an account - she thought missions were the main part of the game due to the tutorial missions. I explained otherwise, but shes having fun running them so meh. And they are reasonably fun the first few times. But really the only non grinding way to get money is playing the market - even salvaging is grinding of a sort. Grinding in this case meaning repative, time consuming play.
Iron Jaw The Forsakened Companions Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:52:00 - [50] Edited by: Iron Jaw on 14/08/2007 11:53:08 Eve is a game with endless opertunitys and a million things to train up and do. Not our fault if your not imagnative enough to find somthing you'll find fun. IJ P.S WoW sucks.
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:53:00 - [51] its a PVP game numbskull. Missions ARE boring as hell. Go to low sec or 0.0 and then tell me its slow pace. I hate it when people like you post crap and youve not yet made any effort to improve your experience. Go back to wow i suggest, your guildmates need you to boost them through DM.
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:54:00 - [52] Originally by: AuroraStar But really the only non grinding way to get money is playing the market - even salvaging is grinding of a sort. Grinding in this case meaning repative, time consuming play. get a t1 frig, train propulsion jamming, and learn to work the scanner. probably the least profitable way of making isk, especially if you dont know the ropes, but for sure the least grinding way. rifter + mods around 500k one looted strip miner how much? right. Stackless pythons ate my hamsters!
Sariyah Gallente HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:54:00 - [53] Originally by: heheheh Go back to wow i suggest, your guildmates need you to boost them through DM. Why the hatred? You seem to know the game pretty well, too...
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:55:00 - [54] Eve may not be fun, but trolling the forums sure is.
Etheral Queen	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:56:00 - [55] Originally by: heheheh its a PVP game numbskull. Missions ARE boring as hell. Go to low sec or 0.0 and then tell me its slow pace. I hate it when people like you post crap and youve not yet made any effort to improve your experience. Go back to wow i suggest, your guildmates need you to boost them through DM. i hate it when people like you post crap and you dont know anything about what i have and have not done in eve.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Etheral Queen no you dont, you autopilot to one of 6 preset destinations. no scenerey, no stop off's you are at one place and you arrive at another some time later. you are all focusing on some other negative aspect of my post when all i really want is freedom to travel where ever i want in EvE. Wow. Get out and play the game.... protip: empire sucks, gtfo.
AuroraStar Gallente RennTech	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Originally by: AuroraStar But really the only non grinding way to get money is playing the market - even salvaging is grinding of a sort. Grinding in this case meaning repative, time consuming play. get a t1 frig, train propulsion jamming, and learn to work the scanner. probably the least profitable way of making isk, especially if you dont know the ropes, but for sure the least grinding way. rifter + mods around 500k one looted strip miner how much? right. So a brand new player with a whole 3000 isk can just buy a 400k frig, insurance and fittings, skills to fly it and use said fittings? Some type of grinding is required.
Zolipara	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:05:00 - [58] Ok so basically EVE is boring because of the lack of scenery?
Laura Steel Minmatar Independent Interspace Industiers	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:05:00 - [59] I enjoy doing level 4 missions with a couple of corp mates over vent ^_^ ---- Darn exclamation mark! I have brown hair, green eyes and a nice tan :)
Venec Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:05:00 - [60] Join up with 0.0 corp

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