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Genazvale G.M.C. Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.08.25 13:25:00 - [151] Nice job xDeathx, nync and co.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Corrupt Disciples Mare Tranquillitatis	Posted - 2007.08.25 13:25:00 - [152] RESPECT! to EST --------------------------------------
DUFFMANX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.25 13:39:00 - [153] Ballsy, very ballsy use of that ship. Any chance we can get list of mods that survived, seems only 2 officer mods died on her Originally by: dimensionZ The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
Csaer	Posted - 2007.08.25 13:56:00 - [154] Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 25/08/2007 12:57:56 hera was just as much an unbalanced piece of crap as any other supercap in the game and if you get a new one you better stay in lowsec where you belong because there's lots of dictors here in 0.0 xD no amount of circlejerking over the memory or the wreck will change the fact that once your supercap was made vulnerable, it died a pretty pathetic death in an environment you just aren't used to (hurr supercap in 0.0 without a support fleet) this isn't lowsec, go home lol oops i mean o/ m8s mad respect for BRINGING IT shut up idiot
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.25 14:46:00 - [155] Terrible shame. For being a right bunch of "baddies" you chaps always had class! Hope to see a replacement for Hera in the future. -------------------------------
Kaldaine GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.25 14:48:00 - [156] Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 25/08/2007 12:57:56 hera was just as much an unbalanced piece of crap as any other supercap in the game and if you get a new one you better stay in lowsec where you belong because there's lots of dictors here in 0.0 xD no amount of circlejerking over the memory or the wreck will change the fact that once your supercap was made vulnerable, it died a pretty pathetic death in an environment you just aren't used to (hurr supercap in 0.0 without a support fleet) this isn't lowsec, go home lol oops i mean o/ m8s mad respect for BRINGING IT Stop posting. There are no better allies then ones like xxDeathxx and RA. Im sorry you werent able to go from shooting us one day to + standings the next.
Sapphrine 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:09:00 - [157] Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 25/08/2007 12:57:56 hera was just as much an unbalanced piece of crap as any other supercap in the game and if you get a new one you better stay in lowsec where you belong because there's lots of dictors here in 0.0 xD no amount of circlejerking over the memory or the wreck will change the fact that once your supercap was made vulnerable, it died a pretty pathetic death in an environment you just aren't used to (hurr supercap in 0.0 without a support fleet) this isn't lowsec, go home lol oops i mean o/ m8s mad respect for BRINGING IT when come back, develop social skills?? i mean seriously, you have zero understanding of the ships history, zero understaning of how well it has been used in the past and... well lets be honest you're fulfilling and reinforcing the opinion most people have of goons. Stop smacking, stop acting like you have a clue, stop making a fool of yourself. If you feel the need to respond, either have something construtive to say or just leave the thread alone. Posting utter bull on the thread because you have epeen issues adds nothing useful.
DeckardIRL The Randoms THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:14:00 - [158] Red scum.. you can't trust 'em. Where any ED ships attacked during the engagement? Sounds all too much like you were setup. Respect to you guys but am happy a pirate Nyx is no longer. Deck Whiskey For CAOD at its best
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:25:00 - [159] Originally by: laotse what is this hame coing to if the loss of a ship need,s a post pfffff get over it and move on sissi too much whine again m8 couldn't understand a word you wrote
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:28:00 - [160] Edited by: Rawthorm on 25/08/2007 15:28:12 I do feel I need to clarfiy something here (despite that it wont change a thing) I'm not so much bothered that xxdeathxx and RA attacked us. We've ****ed off alot of people, as being a pirate tends to do that. Hera's eventual death was inevitable. What I am bothered about, is that they cost their own allies (Ethreal Dawn) considerable loss just to get a shot at killing Hera. They knew we had ED property on board yet they set us up and went ahead with it regardless. You can put all the spin you want on it but the fact remains you wantedly destroyed your own allies property to get to us, and with not so much as an apology or an offer of re-imbersement. THAT is what I have a problem with.

Groox Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:31:00 - [161] Well that MS was used indeed for low sec piracy so no respect towards EST from me this time. Even more. I'm rather glad to see they lost it. However it's always sad to see fine bird going down. RIP.
Cefte Gray Ivy GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:37:00 - [162] Edited by: Cefte on 25/08/2007 15:39:10 Edited by: Cefte on 25/08/2007 15:38:23 Originally by: Rawthorm Edited by: Rawthorm on 25/08/2007 15:28:12 I do feel I need to clarfiy something here (despite that it wont change a thing) I'm not so much bothered that xxdeathxx and RA attacked us. We've **ed off alot of people, as being a pirate tends to do that. Hera's eventual death was inevitable. What I am bothered about, is that they cost their own allies (Ethreal Dawn) considerable loss just to get a shot at killing Hera. They knew we had ED property on board yet they set us up and went ahead with it regardless. You can put all the spin you want on it but the fact remains you wantedly destroyed your own allies property to get to us, and with not so much as an apology or an offer of re-imbersement. THAT is what I have a problem with. Originally by:** Ange1 Originally by: Zarimax Mishka What was in the freiters, precious? Nothing, it was our return trip so all Freighters were empty. Come now, if you're going to get angry, you might at least check that your own alliance members don't outright contradict you. Unless you're claiming that even though it was the return trip and you'd supposedly emptied out at your destination, you'd decided to keep some of their stuff? Maybe this ED property was just too shiny for you not to steal it
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:50:00 - [163] Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 25/08/2007 15:39:10 Edited by: Cefte on 25/08/2007 15:38:23 Originally by: Rawthorm Edited by: Rawthorm on 25/08/2007 15:28:12 I do feel I need to clarfiy something here (despite that it wont change a thing) I'm not so much bothered that xxdeathxx and RA attacked us. We've **ed off alot of people, as being a pirate tends to do that. Hera's eventual death was inevitable. What I am bothered about, is that they cost their own allies (Ethreal Dawn) considerable loss just to get a shot at killing Hera. They knew we had ED property on board yet they set us up and went ahead with it regardless. You can put all the spin you want on it but the fact remains you wantedly destroyed your own allies property to get to us, and with not so much as an apology or an offer of re-imbersement. THAT is what I have a problem with. Originally by:** Ange1 Originally by: Zarimax Mishka What was in the freiters, precious? Nothing, it was our return trip so all Freighters were empty. Come now, if you're going to get angry, you might at least check that your own alliance members don't outright contradict you. Unless you're claiming that even though it was the return trip and you'd supposedly emptied out at your destination, you'd decided to keep some of their stuff? Maybe this ED property was just too shiny for you not to steal it Try the ships themselves and the gear Hera herself was carrying...
Cefte Gray Ivy GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:59:00 - [164] Edited by: Cefte on 25/08/2007 16:02:44 Originally by: Rawthorm Try the ships themselves and the gear Hera herself was carrying... So by 'They knew we had ED property on board' you meant 'the ships themselves? You were flying ships belonging to ED, who decided they'd be safer under your ticker because blargle bleup? That's interesting, and completely unbelievable. And why, exactly, was your mothership carrying valuable property away from the destination, into battle? Any ED want to chime in? Edit: Originally by: Rawthorm (besides its only after the fact that it was known the freighters were empy on that trip) Ok, so your argument shifts from 'you nasties blew up your allies cargo' to 'you nasties didn't blow up your allies cargo at all but WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED'?
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.25 16:15:00 - [165] Originally by: Marie Sklodowska This nyx derserves a moment of silence... Hera was an old woman who taught us all how to be men. This. RIP Hera, in hedal/fountian/anywhere I went there you were, trying to pop me! ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Clerence Thomas Gallente Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.08.25 16:21:00 - [166] Much respect to EST and Hera, truely an unfortunate loss. Only supercap i've personally seen, and I was fortunate to be in friendly ops all the times I saw her. As to what was EDs, there's a good chance some of the ships in the hanger array were ours, may have loaned out carriers (some of us have spares to go with our spare clones), high probability of some loaned freighters - after all some of us have 5 or 6 floating around near various clones and operations. Unfortunatly I wasn't around or involved in the planning or diplomatic aspects, since this strange thing called First Life has been a pain in my arse lately; so my understanding is limited. To the haters and trolls, can it. In the end she went down fighting as well as she could, considering the what has come out about the fight, and that's the mark of a true warrior. Just for that respect is deserved. -- "There are over 500 million fire arms in worldwide circulation. That is one fire arm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is... How do we arm the other eleven?"
Yuki Michi Caldari New Paradyne Technologies Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.08.25 16:28:00 - [167] Originally by: Cefte Insert trolling stuff here I had hoped not to have to post on these god awful forums, but having been there and actually having been shot at I guess I should. I had assets that needed moving from our space to empire for sale. It was ultimately a safer bet to throw it inside the Establishment's mothership than have it fly by vulnerable hauler or sit loose inside a freighter. Many of said freighters were owned by myself and given to any pilot willing to fly them, both Establishment and other corporations as no one in the alliance had the time to spare. When the first interdictor bubble went up, I asked for the Nyx to be jumped in to remote repair the freighters while the attacking force was reminded who they belonged to. I had no idea that half of a supposedly allied force was going to jump in and blow us away. I personally have been on every convoy and informed the locals on the intent of the convoy. Yes I could have contacted an official diplomat for standings, but again I didnÆt believe that we would have a major allied fleet dropped on us despite me personally informing every local we saw what the deal was. There simply is no excuse on the part of the attacking force. They were informed in no uncertain terms that Establishment were carrying our property. Further more, on my instruction Establishment deliberately allowed all normal local traffic to pass unhindered and had agreed not to pirate the local area. The only non-hostile local that was harmed was a single Legion of xXDEATHXx Myrmidon that refused to break off its attack on our convoy earlier in the week. After this we were told repeatedly by different members of xXDEATHXx that we would be left alone. They may not have been directors that I know of but where I come from a corporation is responsible for the members on its roster and any such promises should not have been used as a cheap way to lay a trap. In either case IÆve said my piece here and any further correspondence from me will be done in game where it belongs. Regards Yuki Michi Ceo û New Paradyne Technologies
Shinjuro Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.25 16:43:00 - [168] The final tally of Hera (according to EST kb): approx: 1900 kills of which 784 were battleships, 23 were carriers, 14 were freighters, and 5 were dreadnaughts! 191 BILLION isk in damage done! I aim to say this ship was one of the, if not the most deadly ship of her time? o7 HERA
Algey The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.25 16:56:00 - [169] Sad to see Hera go, even if I hate supercaps. Damn first time I saw here she locked me and I really panicked, mind you I was in a scorp, stupid broken EW invulnerability . I can't figure out how you locked me in 0.0 since the goons seem to say you only pirate in lowsec.
Phoenixgurl Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:17:00 - [170] RIP Hera -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)

Mc Leech The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:19:00 - [171] Edited by: Mc Leech on 25/08/2007 17:19:22 Let me paint a picture from our point of view: A. A known pirate corporation that as was mention has -10 standing to RA was escorting neutral freighters to ED station. LetÆs see, if you are a pirate corp. living in low sec where would you build your capital ships, hmmm.... B. They escorting freighters for 2 days in a row with "unknown ED property" (lol) This means at least 2 mothers or a titan. Yes as much as I want to believe that EST are such a swell guys and decided to give you a hand moving 30+ freighters with "your property" I would say chances of that to be true are about 1:1000000. The fact that you did not in any way try to contact RA or GS leadership to inform them on this op only proves that. So here are the facts: ED was in a gang with our enemies helping to move neutral freighters without informing us of their intents. Not only I donÆt think we did anything wrong, but if anyone was backstabbing someone it was ED backstabbing us by working with our enemies. The only thing ED has a right to ask Legion of xxDeathxx for right now is to adjust their standing downward. If thatÆs what you want feel free to contact our diplomat we will be happy to comply...
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:27:00 - [172] Edited by: Snowden Vel on 25/08/2007 17:28:38 Originally by: Yuki Michi Establishment were carrying our property. It's somewhat mystifying that you decided your possessions would be safer in the hands of an entity that's run around indiscriminately pirating most of 0.0 and lowsec. You need a little more diplomacy than just "no wait that's our stuff aaaaa" to get your blues on board with the idea, particularly when that excuse sounded (and still sounds) suspiciously like a last-ditch attempt to cover for EST under the circumstances. EST's mothership was a pretty fearsome war machine, perhaps you should have put a bit more thought into unilaterally attempting to treat and use it like the cuddly carebear spacebus. Signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected])
Algey The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:32:00 - [173] Originally by: Snowden Vel Edited by: Snowden Vel on 25/08/2007 17:28:38 EST's mothership was a pretty fearsome war machine, perhaps you should have put a bit more thought into unilaterally attempting to treat and use it like the cuddly carebear spacebus. Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 25/08/2007 12:57:56 hera was just as much an unbalanced piece of crap as any other supercap in the game and if you get a new one you better stay in lowsec where you belong because there's lots of dictors here in 0.0 xD no amount of circlejerking over the memory or the wreck will change the fact that once your supercap was made vulnerable, it died a pretty pathetic death in an environment you just aren't used to (hurr supercap in 0.0 without a support fleet) this isn't lowsec, go home Fearsome war machine or pile of crap lowsec pirate, I just can't figure these goons out...
iiixiii Spontaneous Defenestration The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:33:00 - [174] First MS and oldest in Eve! RIP! W1N iiixiii
Megacyte Milo	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:43:00 - [175] Sad to see you go Hera :( I know you'll have another one shortly.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:44:00 - [176] Edited by: Snowden Vel on 25/08/2007 17:45:26 Originally by: Algey Fearsome war machine or pile of crap lowsec pirate, I just can't figure these goons out... Different people having different opinions? I'm not really sure why goons are trolling this thread so hard aside from the way EST/ED have been whining about the circumstances surrounding the loss. That mothership was pretty much an endless fountain of comedic overkill. In particular, it's responsible for the loss of Eldoreth's carrier (Goonfleet's timecarded carrier pilot newbie [he quit]) which led to one of the funniest threads on our forums in recent memory. Signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected])
gimmemoneyhoney Krupp Industries und Werfe	Posted - 2007.08.25 17:58:00 - [177] Originally by: Mc Leech Edited by: Mc Leech on 25/08/2007 17:19:22 Let me paint a picture from our point of view: A. A known pirate corporation that as was mention has -10 standing to RA was escorting neutral freighters to ED station. LetÆs see, if you are a pirate corp. living in low sec where would you build your capital ships, hmmm.... B. They escorting freighters for 2 days in a row with "unknown ED property" (lol) This means at least 2 mothers or a titan. Yes as much as I want to believe that EST are such a swell guys and decided to give you a hand moving 30+ freighters with "your property" I would say chances of that to be true are about 1:1000000. The fact that you did not in any way try to contact RA or GS leadership to inform them on this op only proves that. So here are the facts: ED was in a gang with our enemies helping to move neutral freighters without informing us of their intents. Not only I donÆt think we did anything wrong, but if anyone was backstabbing someone it was ED backstabbing us by working with our enemies. The only thing ED has a right to ask Legion of xxDeathxx for right now is to adjust their standing downward. If thatÆs what you want feel free to contact our diplomat we will be happy to comply... kinda weird isnt it....even Infod had more respect for that blue is blue than the big alliances like red and xxdeath. they seem like a bunch of loose-cannons looking for eve-o forum cheastbeating kill stuff. Even ED and INFOD is bitter enemys infod still holded their packt..not trying to kill the neutral freighters, since some days before EST was set to blue for a short periode, after the freighter inicodent , some days before. RA even reaviled their Titan , inc type and titan pilot to kill a "nuetral" ms(which was helping blues) and blue freighters ues, while been in heavy war with Bob. its says something about the trustworthy lv on those guys. same as blues in RA space now and then get shoot by triggerhappy RAs
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.25 18:04:00 - [178] Originally by: Algey Fearsome war machine or pile of crap lowsec pirate, I just can't figure these goons out... stop posting
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.08.25 18:07:00 - [179] Originally by: iiixiii First MS and oldest in Eve! RIP! More like second MS..
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.08.25 18:07:00 - [180] Originally by: gimmemoneyhoney its says something about the trustworthy lv on those guys. same as blues in RA space now and then get shoot by triggerhappy RAs it says you're pretty stupid and can't read



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