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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.09 23:33:00 -
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Read the guardian and checked the map.
Yea...
well, didn't CFS foresee this problem to take actions before the problem arised 
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:05:00 -
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I heard stain was involved can anyone from stain confirm or deny this?
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:08:00 -
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So the station wars have began.....
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 10/02/2004 00:10:00
begun it has...the station wars
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:09:00 -
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move along, nothing to see here.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:09:00 -
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lol more like m0o vs CFS. We took out 20+ ships today....10 of them bs's....and more to come!
m00000000000oooooooooo
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Fenring
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:12:00 -
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lol more like m0o vs CFS. We took out 20+ ships today....10 of them bs's....and more to come!
m00000000000oooooooooo
Thats evil hehe, which one of you did you send up there to kill all those? ;-)
"The enemy to be feared is the one who wears the face of a friend"
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:19:00 -
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wow i like it, look at the 'outer ring road' its cool no longer is stain and venal cul-de-sacs.
wow check how many stations tyrell corp have.
wow wow wow I am happy and enthralled this game is always changing.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:27:00 -
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To bring it to the point, there were no major combat engagements and the situation is far from the full-scale-war offered in the media.
Facts remain that a commerce mission to claim those new stations was intercepted from a hostile fraction while our side kept their guns silent we suffered minor losses and kept the peace.
Ignoring further blockades and provocation attacks we managed to claim 3 stations in that area, soon open to any civilian personal.
No combatactions took place from our side and we included a fleetmanuever of an FA detachment to provide security in this region while chaos erupted everywhere in evespace.
During this manuever no shots were fired and all civilians and peacefull travelers were treated with the common and needed respect.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:51:00 -
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Well I wont say its the first time ive seen a invasion claimed to be helping an are to be "secure from chaos"
..but it remains about as believeable.
Blatant land-grab, nothing but that and a real knife in the back of the CFS.
Shame to see Xanadu's reputation is as bad as many had claimed. I had, honestly, thought better of you.
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Percy Loudbottom
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Percy Loudbottom on 10/02/2004 00:52:57
You're a liar, you attacked an owned station thereby initiating hostilities. You are pirates same as m0o. Quit lying to the people and own up. Xanadu are pirates pure and simple.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:53:00 -
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percy, fa are completely justified in their agressions against you, some of your guys even tried to hire us to kill them...
just own up to it and get on with dieing.
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Percy Loudbottom
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:54:00 -
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see their allies speak in defense of them.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:54:00 -
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To bring it to the point, there were no major combat engagements and the situation is far from the full-scale-war offered in the media.
Facts remain that a commerce mission to claim those new stations was intercepted from a hostile fraction while our side kept their guns silent we suffered minor losses and kept the peace.
Ignoring further blockades and provocation attacks we managed to claim 3 stations in that area, soon open to any civilian personal.
No combatactions took place from our side and we included a fleetmanuever of an FA detachment to provide security in this region while chaos erupted everywhere in evespace.
During this manuever no shots were fired and all civilians and peacefull travelers were treated with the common and needed respect.
Those Stations where taken against the will of the CFS and a cease fire was negotiated and where informed by Tornsoul and Funguy that FA would leave the areaand the statons pending further talks.
Have FA gone back on there word ?
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:55:00 -
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  i heard FA arent very good at capturing stations. I heard they decided to charge over 120 mil for battleship docking, undocked and couldnt get back in for a while.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Percy Loudbottom on 10/02/2004 00:52:57
You're a liar, you attacked an owned station thereby initiating hostilities. You are pirates same as m0o. Quit lying to the people and own up. Xanadu are pirates pure and simple.
I think "Initiation of hostilities" actually comes when an invading force crosses a border.
They weren't there on a sight-seeing tour afterall were they?
Oh - wait - hang on, they were "protecting our backyard from agressive corporations"
just they had to travel a LONG way to provoke someone into being aggressive in the first place  
Sorry Percy but face facts. FA took Delve off youplain and simple. You bargained for time to discuss but in reality just gave themt ime to stock up systems with ammo and missiles and map safe points and such like.
You got totally shafted by the FA, jsut as I said you would.
(I take no joy in that prediction being 110% accurate... both in its happening and in the way they would claim they were "aggrieved" in some fashion.)
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:03:00 -
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to be honest, these stations dont belong to anyone except those who fight for them.
no lawyer mumbo jumbo rubbish will get u them and tbh, u cant even hold them against us, so just butt out of the race eh cfs? do us all a favour...
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:05:00 -
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****...its up to 15 bs's for the day. Lets see if we can add more. Oh and if you dont believe us.....http://www.blackpoolraiders.org.uk/killrecords/tablekillings.asp =)
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:07:00 -
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It was all an accident?? 
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Ordinaire
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:13:00 -
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It was all an accident??
That's Morkt's "unbiased" website posting about what happened today
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:24:00 -
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It was all an accident??
That's Morkt's "unbiased" website posting about what happened today
Maybe it is, but that article does highlight the lack of clear and conceivable information coming out from FA. Until that happens, people can only specualate.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:26:00 -
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Take note of this piece from the article
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CFS sources say that the FA withdrew after guarantees on talks for "joint protection" of the Delve region, until which time the FA will retain control of the captured stations and must not be retaken by the CFS
Would you belive that it took 4 hours of negotiations to get that in place....
It could have been shorter if not Morkt halfway through the process suddenly entered the talks (which at the time actually was more or less concluded) and declared war on the FA, and we had to start all over again.....
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<Morkt_Drak> you are at war with the EF
<Morkt_Drak> any FA ships will be podded on sight
<Morkt_Drak> end of issue
<TornSoul|BIG> You can not be serious Morkt ;)
<Morkt_Drak> very
<Morkt_Drak> and im bringing in others t help
One can only wonder who those 'others' might be (/me glances at Stavs earlier comments... ???)
Thankfully Fargas (who joined shortly after) 'overruled' Morkt's wishes for war.
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<Fargas> We've stopped shooting since I joined here.
One can only wonder why Morkt would try to sabotage the talks between FA and CFS to resolve and defuse the situation....
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:28:00 -
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It was all an accident??
That's Morkt's "unbiased" website posting about what happened today
Actually EVE Guardian is biased, always has been, always has said to being.
Its urban myth that its unbiased.
It is uncensored, and was created to be uncensored.
Of course if the FE PLO wishes to point out any innacuracies in Fletcher's story then feel free to do so on the EB website. That is what the position was created for after all.
As to the authenticity of the article - certainly I can vouch for much of it.
It doesnt take a genius to work out that FA forces weren't in Delve for picnic afterall - and the mere fact of the above FA statement demonstrates their long term motivation.
Unfortunately Ordinaire the world is full of folks who will always try to stir discontent or cast aspertions as you have here - in this case though there are fundamanetal truths that the FA cannot escape.
Its not their space
They shouldnt have been there.
They said they would leave and they didnt.
They took all three stations now.
They are publically stting claim to them and control of access and security of the area.
Its entirely up to you to blithely ignore those facts - but it will not make them go away.
Do I think the FA have been deliberately duplicitous, underhand and coniving? Yes I do. Is it a fair representation of their deeds to say so? Yes i think it is - and obviosuly so do others.
Unlike the EG personel I am free to say what I think as owner Im not the editor and bound by their own restrictions.
I think they are not only correct but far far too soft on the FA. There is continued FA activity inside Delve despite personal statemetns of "honest intentions" from various FA reps to myself.
This was no accident but a pre-palanned invasion and something I predicted weeks ago given the general workings of the FA and their propensity for "colouring facts". I even said they would do just htis and claim they were, in some fashion, aggrieved.
Simple as that really.
Its a pretense, a sham and nothing but that.
Unless you care to enlighten us otherwise that is? 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:32:00 -
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Thankfully Fargas (who joined shortly after) 'overruled' Morkt's wishes for war.
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<Fargas> We've stopped shooting since I joined here.
One can only wonder why Morkt would try to sabotage the talks between FA and CFS to resolve and defuse the situation....
Unfotunately Fargas is not on the EF council and does not represent eh EF.
He cannot overule anybody on the EF council as he is not a member of it.
Any deal you strike with him is entirely worthless - he ddid not and does not have the backing of the EF Council.
(Not the first time he has claimed to be our president or some such though - but you are totally misstaken if you think he is in any position to either represent the EmpFed or "overule" anybody on the council)
As to you latter point - I find it rther irrelevant. The order of event sis ismple and why was thee a FA invasion fleet inside Delve and why RIGHT NOW in this thread are Xanadu claiming THREE stations and the rights to open them as they see fit?
Try giving some explanations of factual things rather than sidetracking. - It mgiht help some.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:33:00 -
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here is a log i aquired from one of our members regarding the situation.
tiggr was the genko involved. This chat took place directly after the incident the eve-guardinan missinterprets with its biased view.
Session Start: Mon Feb 09 14:54:44 2004
Session Ident: tiggr
[14:54] Session Ident: tiggr
[14:54] <tiggr> hi
[14:54] <tiggr> oh youre xanadu too?
[14:54] <[Xan]Focht> hi you said there were issues
[14:54] <[Xan]Focht> yea ;)
[14:54] <tiggr> issues?
[14:55] <[Xan]Focht> im an diplomatic assistant
[14:55] <tiggr> nah, i sure as hell hope xanadu can take me defending the station i was first to :).. noone was harmed except the punisher .. :)
[14:55] <tiggr> ah
[14:55] <tiggr> well
[14:55] <[Xan]Focht> you asked for someone to convo you about a problem with xanadu ,)
[14:56] <tiggr> basically we in genco operate very closely to this system, and would like to have access to this station in some way with an office. What i wanted is to strike a deal with you in some way
[14:56] <tiggr> to be able to keep an office in the station, and in return maybe help with defending it and neighbouring systems
[14:56] <tiggr> we have a steady 15 online at all hours
[14:57] <tiggr> so we could be of great help, also have good grips of the querious region in thats needed :)
[14:58] <[Xan]Focht> we are always very interested in loyal partners
[14:58] <tiggr> as we speak the whole ragdoll CFS army is marching towards you
[14:58] <tiggr> i just heard :P
[14:58] <tiggr> and well
[14:58] <tiggr> we formally killed our ties with the CFS weeks ago
[14:59] <tiggr> since we didnt agree with them on all terms, and we were becially the only ones fighting
[14:59] <[Xan]Focht> for now till everything is secured we ask you to stay tuned and wait on sastuls arrival, he can make closer ties with you
[14:59] <tiggr> ok, how could such a partnership look?
[14:59] <[Xan]Focht> and clear up the situation about the use of the station
[15:00] <tiggr> ok
[15:00] <tiggr> just yell if you want support in battle
[15:00] <tiggr> i got 5 bships heading here
[15:00] <tiggr> and they are _not_ hostile
[15:00] <[Xan]Focht> well we will fight off any attempt to capture the station
[15:00] <tiggr> yes ofc
[15:00] <tiggr> but they wont be ttrying to take it over
[15:01] <tiggr> they got shield transfer arrays
[15:01] <tiggr> and well, we could help you repair your shields if you want to
[15:01] <tiggr> to show good will from my recent attack on your vessels
[15:02] <[Xan]Focht> thanks for the offer i know who to yell for if we get attacked ;)
[15:02] <tiggr> yes
[15:03] <tiggr> ive told all my members to put weapons down
[15:03] <[Xan]Focht> yea i dont want the situation to escalate ;)
[15:04] <tiggr> no ofc not
[15:04] <tiggr> we will gladly help fight against teh CFS if needed too
[15:05] <tiggr> erm
[15:05] <[Xan]Focht> thanks ill leave sastul a note to contact you asap
[15:05] <[Xan]Focht> to make further negotiations
[15:05] <tiggr> ok
[15:07] <[Xan]Focht> how many ships are in that cfs fleet you mentioned ?
[15:07] <tiggr> t-m0fa seems like a stuck system
[15:07] <[Xan]Focht> there are a few
[15:07] <tiggr> i have no real numbers
[15:07] <[Xan]Focht> mostly tempests get stuck
[15:07] <[Xan]Focht> we had 3 tempest fallout on our way here
[15:07] <tiggr> but usually when they want to they can muster like 30 ships probably.. but thats on primetime
[15:07] <tiggr> no idea now
[15:07] <tiggr> oh :P
[15:07] <[Xan]Focht> other ships made it hthrough easily
[15:07] <[Xan]Focht> hehe
[15:08] <tiggr> tho they suck
[15:08] <tiggr> battlewise
[15:08] <tiggr> as mentioned, we were the oned fighting m0o alone with free agents :P
[15:08] <tiggr> they were hiding after first loss
[15:10] <[Xan]Focht> :)
[15:10] <[Xan]Focht> we just fought FE and m00
[15:11] <tiggr> yeah i know :)
now ask yourself, unbiased, is that the reaction of someone who has a similar strong BS fleet and whos station just got stolen ?
Maybe the eve guardian should take journalism to its fullest and dig abit deeper then "unnamed but highly reliable sources".
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:34:00 -
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this was one ghey day
not CFS so don't think I speak on behalf of it, just the views of a frontline pilot trapped in alliance politics
log in to hear FA, Stain and XETIC are landgrabbing in CFS, after like 6 god damned hours of fleet standoffs and whatnot, the highly inept CFS leaders/politicians managed to accomplish absoluteley nothing
FA came to CFS space, grabbed stations away from the corps that were holding them.. agreed to leave CFS space but instead brought 45 battleships.. then when a major battle was about to occur, the CFS ran, and reinforcements were diverted from A2 and 3BK.. fountain "kindly" left (but ended up sitting in another CFS system), CFS didn't even dare take the totally defenseless FA station, m0o trampled over the few that were still in a2 and proceeded to take over the previously heavily defended stations that were left weakened
so at the end of the day, CFS doesn't even control half of its stations, probably like 1, Fountain still has theirs without even taking a shot, m0o took advantage and reamed everyone in a2 at the time, Stain and XETIC dont seem to give a rats arse about taking stations in CFS space..
overall a good 7 hours wasted amassing three fleets totalling 70+ pilots only to accomplish absoluteley nothing and on top of that, CFS manage to lose more ships to m0o
i regret ever helping if I knew things were gonna be handled in such a stupid manner.
not to mention I had lots of respect for Fountain, but this is just a dirty landgrab, at least admit it, and don't give total horsecrap about your "right" to the area or some RP crap about "keeping the peace"
Emperyean Federation were the only ones to attack that day, and that was in response to FA's attack on their station
The enemy of my enemy is my friend? HA.
m0o is probably laughing it up as FA and CFS bicker, Stain and XETIC are prodding CFS too, and overall everyone is the loser in this game
check, and MATE
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:36:00 -
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<Fargas> I'm here as EF do not have chosen any diplomat to do their talks. I'm forwarding Q's to the EF Council and back here.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 10/02/2004 01:48:01
My post again...
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Read the guardian and checked the map.
Yea...
well, didn't CFS foresee this problem to take actions before the problem arised
To make it clearer:
All the big alliances in EVE, except FA, has claimed 2-5 regions as their protectorates. With kinda obvious intentions to in the future with new game-mechanics make these regions their home.
The reason FA hasn't is because they didn't have any such regions located "behind" fountain.
So, CCP then tell us that they will very soon introduce overtakable stations, which means alliances can finally expand.
And then a good ammount of jump gates arrive on chaos, which suddenly gives fountain connections to regions far from empire space.
Since CFS/EF probably is the biggest alliance when it comes to members, shouldn't anyone rise the subject that FA should be very interested in those regions? Giving CFS/EF a good ammount of time to confront FA on this diplomaticly, even before these jumpgates and stations got on TQ?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:42:00 -
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<Fargas> I'm here as EF do not have chosen any diplomat to do their talks. I'm forwarding Q's to the EF Council and back here.
Tornsoul - this guy once said he was the EF President.
We've never had a president.
He isnt even a council member having lost that position after claiming he was our President.
Nobody in the EmpFed knew of the "deal" he was making with you, nobody from the EmpFed was included on the talks other than the "looney tune" you seem to be relying on as some form of evidence.
He doesnt represent us.
He isnt even on our council.
He wasn't realying information to the EF council and we weren't even told of the "deal".
You really need to look up fargas's penchant for grand impersonation, it is legion.
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Now want to explain how having left Delve FA managed to capture another station?
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.02.10 01:43:00 -
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on a second glimpse all officials from CFS have been very polite and stateing their interests and intentions, while EF deliberately threw sticks between their legs and tried to stirr up the situation by useing force and trying to hire "help".
A fact maybe unimportant for most ppl is that those stations are new and therefore were not included in any landclaims the cfs might have made.
On a second look the landclaims regarding the region in question are also abit shallow because so far it was underdeveloped and unused due to the lack of infrastructure and additionally even on their OWN website they state no claim on this region in their public show of influencespheres.
Additionally there is always a sharp gasp between claiming and pocessing something.
One necessarily leads not to the other, even in the completely wrong used juristical terms some ppl try to apply to this situation.
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