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Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:26:00 - [61] Edited by: Falbala on 05/09/2007 19:25:59 Originally by: Cpt Branko I hate to say it, but you have no idea how EvE works. I have asked how you would like if it was working that way. Read what you quote please.
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:29:00 - [62] Originally by: Falbala ¿ People who send alts through gates are certainly not your ennemies or you have brainless opponents. You have to get the scout thought the gate in the first place? With 3 characters per account and 5000 solar systems you would need almost 1700 account to have a character in each solar system with a bunch of book marks for observation points. Even if there were only about 100 systems worth scouting (and I'm sure there are a lot more ) that would still be 30 scouting accounts. As this is not feasible for most people then moving scouting alts around is important. I have sent alts through gates many, many times to check if it was camped or to observe what was going on in a camp. I would think that as it saved me losing valuable ships and/or this characters clone my actions were far from "brainless" Again I suggest that your experience with fighting in Eve is limited as is demonstrated by your comments. .
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Falbala No. People podkill you because they can. There is no other reason. It's just stupid mindless PVP. A capsule doesn't go anywhere in a warp disruption field anyway. Its a source of corpses. I wouldn't call that pointless . Eve Golden Rules
Some Caldari Caldari Shadow Warrioz	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:32:00 - [64] ^^ ------------ Originally by: Nyphur Mining is women's work, dammit!
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:36:00 - [65] Originally by: MrmuttleyYou have to get the scout thought the gate in the first place? [:roll: With 3 characters per account and 5000 solar systems you would need almost 1700 account to have a character in each solar system with a bunch of book marks for observation points. Even if there were only about 100 systems worth scouting (and I'm sure there are a lot more ) that would still be 30 scouting accounts. As this is not feasible for most people then moving scouting alts around is important. If you have an ennemy you have a territory. So you control 5000 systems? Interesting. You would have to be in 3 systems max to be efficient. Quote: I have sent alts through gates many, many times to check if it was camped or to observe what was going on in a camp. I would think that as it saved me losing valuable ships and/or this characters clone my actions were far from "brainless" Again I suggest that your experience with fighting in Eve is limited as is demonstrated by your comments. I was answering to someone saying "Scouts work for our ennemies, it is dangerous to let them go", you use scout exactly like I do but if you were in a war you would not do like that or you would be very stupid. I suggest you read more carefully next time.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:49:00 - [66] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/09/2007 19:49:19 Originally by: Falbala I was answering to someone saying "Scouts work for our ennemies, it is dangerous to let them go", you use scout exactly like I do but if you were in a war you would not do like that or you would be very stupid. I suggest you read more carefully next time. If you use stationary scouts for any movement involving more then one jump, you're being very stupid. Me and my gang of merry outlaws (or any other) could go camp a random gate along the way for kills&profit. The enemy you intend to attack could very well be sitting in any of the X systems along the way. Some random neutrals might be hunting there. So on and on. Basically, refrain from criticising EvE PvP unless you have viable points to make. Oh, btw, catching people travelling doesn't work that well outside of 0.0 or catching flashy reds, and needs a few gates to catch a guy if you're flying ships of the same class. I unfortunately can't tackle a Drake at a gate in low-sec with a stabber (unless he's flashy red) or the gate guns will make mince-meat out of me in ten seconds flat ;P Also, trying to catch someone does bring the possibility of being caught in a camp yourself. Basically, gatecamping is the safe and reliable way to catch most travellers, provided you've got a scout in the system along the way (so if any blob approaches, you bugger out). Which is one shining example of EvE teamwork And, yes, PvP is fun. Originally by: Tsanse Kinske The second you start equating time spent playing a game with lost time and money is the second you need to ask yourself "Why am I playing?". Seriously
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:02:00 - [67] Originally by: Falbala I was answering to someone saying "Scouts work for our ennemies, it is dangerous to let them go", you use scout exactly like I do but if you were in a war you would not do like that or you would be very stupid. I suggest you read more carefully next time. Ok explain why to a stupid brain damaged pilot why scouting a gate with a noob corp alt would be stupid in wartime? .
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Cpt Branko The enemy you intend to attack could very well be sitting in any of the X systems along the way. Seriously? Are you kidding? Did you ever heard about Location agents? I mean I am not an expert PVPer but don't try to fool me, I can spot you wherever you are if I want to. If you want to refute my points you have to be better than that. If I was a spy I would : ask Location agent where you hangout, go to your systems and bookmark all the gates, it would not take long to find you believe me. If I was near my HQ I would tell you where you are right now. People who send scouts through gates are not chasing you. If someone is chasing you and they know what they are doing then you will feel the difference.
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:12:00 - [69] Why should they not kill your undefended pod? You are in lowsec or in 0.0, whatever, you know that they can and will pod you. If I killed your ship in 0.0 and your pod was left hanging in the empty reaches of space, give me one single reason NOT to pod you. And no, ammo cost is not a good reason ------
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Falbala Originally by: Cpt Branko The enemy you intend to attack could very well be sitting in any of the X systems along the way. Seriously? Are you kidding? Did you ever heard about Location agents? I mean I am not an expert PVPer but don't try to fool me, I can spot you wherever you are if I want to. If you want to refute my points you have to be better than that. If I was a spy I would : ask Location agent where you hangout, go to your systems and bookmark all the gates, it would not take long to find you believe me. If I was near my HQ I would tell you where you are right now. People who send scouts through gates are not chasing you. If someone is chasing you and they know what they are doing then you will feel the difference. Its not the person in question. Its troop movements, ship types and so on. And I know for a fact that your locater agent will NOT tell you that. This is so far above your head you have no idea what you are arguing about! Just leave it alone. You should have instead been asking questions to understand before you started to debate the issue. THE PRIVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.

Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:17:00 - [71] The last who podded me, though that was in low sec, not 0.0, I came back and rented an office at his station, that costed me 5M but I'm satisfied to know that this will cost him more money next month. I told them pod me again and I renew the bill. They didn't do that, probably they had better things to do... Money much better put than if I added it to his bounty if you ask me.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:22:00 - [72] Originally by: Baaldor [Its not the person in question. Its troop movements, ship types and so on. And I know for a fact that your locater agent will NOT tell you that. This is so far above your head you have no idea what you are arguing about! Just leave it alone. You should have instead been asking questions to understand before you started to debate the issue. Alright, once again for you who have troubles understanding, the statement was "We pod because they are scouts sent by our ennemies". I say "Wrong". Now you are speaking about something completely different like ships movement and not people, you tell me I have no clue what I'm talking about. It's you who have no clue.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Falbala Seriously? Are you kidding? Did you ever heard about Location agents? I mean I am not an expert PVPer but don't try to fool me, I can spot you wherever you are if I want to. If you want to refute my points you have to be better than that. Again, you have NO idea. First, they are NOT instantenous in response, and, basically, by the time you're done clicking, they could be somewhere else. Second, most gangs can change systems in about 30-45 seconds. Try running a locator agent to determine where a Veto gang is at the moment. It's blind luck if they're still within five systems range when you're done messing around talking to your agent. Originally by: Falbala ask Location agent where you hangout, go to your systems and bookmark all the gates, it would not take long to find you believe me. If I was near my HQ I would tell you where you are right now. So, if a corp with a hundred members (a normal sized corp) is roaming, you'd get locator agent information on all of them? They could be 50 jumps away when you do. They could be camping the next gate from where you are waiting you to jump through. They could be bloody everywhere. Locator agents over time might give you intel where people typically hang out. However, when you make a move, you scout. Or risk dying in a horrible ambush the very next gate. Hell, any band of merry outlaws could be camping the next gate because we want your loot. Anyone could. It's not you and the war target corp alone in the EvE universe. Learn the ropes, then come back and tell people that they have no idea. Originally by: Falbala People who send scouts through gates are not chasing you. Yes. People who send scouts through gates are primarily trying not to die. Originally by: Falbala If someone is chasing you and they know what they are doing then you will feel the difference. I get chased on a daily basis by people who (some more, some less) know what they're doing, simply because I'm a target. I'd be very happy if none of them were scouting and we had scouts available. Originally by: Falbala Send them at the gate in an alt corp but why would you go to the lock range of your ennemies? You could be at 10000km with a scanner you would not be easily caught and you would know what is going on. Yeah, true, but that doesn't answer any of my points, and you still need a scout for movement without dying. Originally by: Tsanse Kinske The second you start equating time spent playing a game with lost time and money is the second you need to ask yourself "Why am I playing?". Seriously
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:26:00 - [74] Look you block head every one I've pod killed was a damn 0.0 Farmer Hauler scout. Corpses clutter up my tiny tiny cargo hold. Its to get them out of local thats why I pod kill all because your damn velator can't escape a bubble is no reason to cry Local Thread 107-b,War without a victor penalties,Navigation Shortcuts
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:29:00 - [75] Originally by: Cpt Branko [Again, you have NO idea. Yes. People who send scouts through gates are primarily trying not to die. I have no idea but you admit my point. That works for me.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.05 20:38:00 - [76] Originally by: Falbala Originally by: Baaldor [Its not the person in question. Its troop movements, ship types and so on. And I know for a fact that your locater agent will NOT tell you that. This is so far above your head you have no idea what you are arguing about! Just leave it alone. You should have instead been asking questions to understand before you started to debate the issue. Alright, once again for you who have troubles understanding, the statement was "We pod because they are scouts sent by our ennemies". I say "Wrong". Now you are speaking about something completely different like ships movement and not people, you tell me I have no clue what I'm talking about. It's you who have no clue. You were speaking of locater agents. I was telling you that locater agent will NOT tell you anything about troop moments, ship types. I was trying to get you to understand what scouts and such do and capable of. So we NEUTRALIZE ALL NBSI!!! You are just ****ed because you got popped. I would not be surprised if it happens again...soon. THE PRIVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Baaldor You were speaking of locater agents. I was telling you that locater agent will NOT tell you anything about troop moments, ship types. I was trying to get you to understand what scouts and such do and capable of. So we NEUTRALIZE ALL NBSI!!! You are just ****ed because you got popped. I would not be surprised if it happens again...soon. I was speaking about locator agents because Cpt mentioned he was moving between systems... I perfectly know what scouts are for, I played one in Shadowbane. When I was spying a city I was not going visible through the main door, this is what you explain me your ennemies scout are doing. There are more than one ways around in EVE, if you trust autopilot then you know nothing, I can go from Sinq Laison to Solitude without going to Syndicate, it just takes a lot of jumps. About your threatening, it's not very wise, you could lose more than I would on that one. Specially since I have money and I'm bored I could fund someone to war your corp.
Podee Something Squishy	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:18:00 - [78] Edited by: Podee on 05/09/2007 21:20:46 Originally by: Falbala Alright, I've played other PVP games and it was fun to play mouse and cat, I still have a thrill when I go mine in low sec or 0.0 and it's fun also to escape when a pirate attacks you. I'm not good at fighting and don't intend to become that way anytime soon. However, what is the fun here? Quote: 2007.09.03 21:21 Victim: ---- Alliance: NONE Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Capsule System: ---- Security: 0.0 and also : Quote: 2007.09.03 21:04 Victim: ---- Alliance: NONE Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Capsule System: ---- Security: 0.0 and same here: Quote: 2007.09.01 18:36 2007.09.01 18:31 2007.09.01 18:26 2007.09.01 18:22 2007.09.01 18:17 2007.09.01 18:05 2007.09.01 17:56 What did they win? Nothing. What did I (my alt) lose? Nothing. Did that prevent my alt to go where I intended her to go? No. Just time and missiles wasted. This is what makes gate camping boooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg. She takes Velator, jump to the gate, it's camped, she gets podkilled, returns into the velator, goes back to the gate and so on.... CCP needs to do something against this. Really. This is the bad side of PVP. Gates need to go AWAY. I have 130 killmails with pretty much what i see here. I loved each and every one of them. I encourage noob corpers to go out there and get podded. Once they have done so a few times they are welcome to join my corp of professional podee's. Also i make good isk stealing from gate camps. Nothing like a clone in system to keep you coming back again...and again...and again. I'm in ur threadz, derailin ur postz.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Falbala About your threatening, it's not very wise, you could lose more than I would on that one. Specially since I have money and I'm bored I could fund someone to war your corp. Its not a threat. THE PRIVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Podee}I have 130 killmails with pretty much what i see here. I loved each and every one of them. I encourage noob corpers to go out there and get podded. Once they have done so a few times they are welcome to join my corp of professional podee's. Also i make good isk stealing from gate camps. Nothing like a clone in system to keep you coming back again...and again...and again.[/quote Surely we need more like you, you deserve a donation!

Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:32:00 - [81] If they claim said space well thats reason enough to kill you over and over and over. Maybe you should have looked for a better route if at all possible or wait a while and see if the camp breaks up. If your on my overview thats enough reason period. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
Laura Steel Minmatar Independent Interspace Industiers Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:35:00 - [82] I used my alt noob velator as a scout today, it got podded by blues to my main but meh, it did its job, making sure there were no camps awaiting my indy using corpie. ---- Darn exclamation mark! I have brown hair, green eyes and a nice tan :)
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:37:00 - [83] I'm not trying to be mean to the OP, but they obviously have no idea what they are talking about. I'll make it simple: You want to know what is on the other side of a gate. Is it clear? Is it hostile? Is there a bubble? Do you jump in with A) A very expensive cov-ops ship that still might get blown away, or B) with a scout alt that can be replaced for the price of a noobe clone? It is a different circumstance in low sec, but there, most of the time, it is about getting the most negative sec status possible as fast as possible. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Big Pick Caldari Task Force Ranger	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:37:00 - [84] Q: So PVP is fun? A: Yes.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 21:41:00 - [85] In other PVP games, you claim a territory and others come to challenge you on this territory, in Shadowbane you place a bane, in Lineage you attack the castle at a fixed date. It makes things simpler you don't own a territory because you gate camp there. In Shadowbane you can declare someone ennemy of your city so all the guards would attack them on sight. You can even declare everyone your ennemy, if you are an evil nation. I know there is some territorial control now, but I don't think it extends you to put sentry guns and npc ships at gate. That's what you'd need to have real control over a territory.
consider telos Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.05 23:35:00 - [86] Originally by: Falbala Originally by: Baaldor You were speaking of locater agents. I was telling you that locater agent will NOT tell you anything about troop moments, ship types. I was trying to get you to understand what scouts and such do and capable of. So we NEUTRALIZE ALL NBSI!!! You are just ****ed because you got popped. I would not be surprised if it happens again...soon. About your threatening, it's not very wise, you could lose more than I would on that one. Specially since I have money and I'm bored I could fund someone to war your corp. Threatening a goon with a war dec. Tick tock! He didn't threaten you. Now, we know is a whine thread and not a discussion.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.05 23:38:00 - [87] Originally by: consider telos Now, we know is a whine thread and not a discussion. Haha
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.05 23:55:00 - [88] Originally by: Falbala Originally by: consider telos Now, we know is a whine thread and not a discussion. Haha Well it's the truth. You want gates removed from EVE looking over your posts. That would be a different game all together. Would change pretty much everything in EVE. --- Put in space whales!
NL Nataku	Posted - 2007.09.06 00:22:00 - [89] Well i have not really been out high sec space since I, aswell as my corp are still building up to get stronger and have the resources and be able to affort losing things without going crazy about it. I know gate camping is part of eve and i would not berserk about it since i took the decision to move a low sec system knowing full well a gate camp could be present. However from what i read the only real way to deal with a gate camp is come with a greater force then the one's doing the camp. So would it not be a idea to think up something that would give some more chance to escape a gate camp if you happen to be alone or with a smaller force. I mean if one is creative he could think up something that both party's can have the cake and eat from it without making gate camping useless. I mean i really would not care if it stays like it is. But it does seem there is alot of animo for a usefull countermeasure, anyway i think it would be a nice goal to work for to make gate campers have a harder time by taking the fight to them. But i think most of the gate campers would probably kick my ass all over the universe. But if i have fun trying i really dont give a ass. Greetz Nataku
Nathomos Minmatar Magellan Exploration and Survey Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 00:38:00 - [90] Originally by: Falbala CCP needs to do something against this. Really. This is the bad side of PVP. Gates need to go AWAY. So anyone that wants to secure space and not leave room for random unknown players who could be scouts needs to be nerfed by CCP? I guess we should probably stop allowing ships to blow up too so no one feels sad, after you go into hull you can just get sent to a station and have to retrieve your ship as a ghost pod! We're all full of great ideas eh?



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